Candace Owens is mentally ill, and trying to reason with her would be about as effective as giving medicine to a dead person. I've felt for a long time that organized religion excuses a lot of mental illness. She is a case in point.
She is definitely enculted and has zero critical thinking skills. She sees no reason to change her mind- especially since she makes money off the woo. A lot of these people get some kind of visceral joy making people with critical thinking skills face palm.
Nah, don't tar the mentally ill like that. This is a perfectly healthy brain which simply an example of what happens when you combine GIGO with confirmation bias.
I don't think she's mentally ill at all. I think she's a well calculated grift. She's figured out a way to make a living out of other peoples craziness, ignorance, despite and stupidity, much like so many people trotting around the right wing culture Warrior and religious world.
Charles Darwin enters the chat: "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." The Descent of Man (1871)
Stolen from oraxx on a different chat: "Creationists have been flailing away at poor old Darwin for a century and a half and have yet to land a punch. If they understood how science works they wouldn't waste their time attacking evolution, they would be proving their own point. Given there is no evidence for their beliefs, this is a tall order. They cling to the delusion they win by default if Darwin can just be discredited. Darwin is hardly their only problem. Pretty much everything we think we know about the life-sciences, geology, and cosmology have to be wrong as well, while some Bronze Age goat herders who did not know where the sun went at night got things exactly right."
If you buy a bible and don't read it, you are catholic. If you buy a bible and cherry pick and decontextualize it to fit your own world vision, you are an evangelical. If you buy a bible and read it from cover to cover, you are an atheist.
They read that one part about the eye that other creationists quote mine to "prove" that ole Chuck didn't really believe his Theory. And they only read it from Kent Hovind's Powerpoint slide. They ususally think his only book was 𝘖𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘯. They are unaware that he did not address human evolution until 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘋𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘢𝘯.
The platypus is someone's idea of a joke. Deity, aliens, Silurians, time-traveling humans, somebody messed with that species evolution just to screw with any intelligence that came upon Earth.
She's been whoring herself out to the white patriarchy for years, serving as the useful "token black conservative" who rubber-stamps racist Republican ideas and whitewashes black history, throwing her own people under the bus and cashing the checks.
She recently fell afoul of one of her white masters (Ben Shapiro) and got kicked to the curb, so now she's flailing around in limbo, looking for a new grift. She tried going back to the black community (pretending she's always been one of them), but they rightfully rejected her as the foe she is. Now she appears to be rooting around among the "anti-evolution" crowd, sniffing around for a new grift.
It's good to see her out in the cold: she's been a purveyor of harmful ideas for years, enabling the Republican party to keep black people down. May she wander the wilderness for a long time.
If I didn’t understand spoken English, I would think this woman were an expert and very reasonable, based on her demeanor and confidence. Alas, as I am relatively adept with Standard American English, I can’t help but notice that she reveals her ignorance or pure chicanery by employing “monkeys,” “apes,” and “chimps” interchangeably as she argues. Also, what does “science is instructing children” even mean? Can I get this “science” to take over my classroom for an hour a week so I can have a planning period?
I was just thinking the past couple of days about the bible. Wouldn't ya think that a book meant to highlight the love and power of savior and our god would be a little more positive and not so negative? The book is filled with lying, cheating, killing, genocide, patriarchy, hatred, murder, etc. It would be like me trying to date a really pretty girl that I am in love with and telling her all about the people that I have beaten up, killed, cheated, etc. Wouldn't that be a great way to work my way into her feelings.
I honestly don't understand how christians reconcile the old and new testaments. It's like if you put together "The Shining" with "The Gift of the Magi."
The Shining is much more coherent and well written. I'm not even sure the OT tells a story, it's more like a collection of short stories from some amateur writing in his 3rd language after a correspondence course.
The NT is a writing contest for 4 people to write the same basic story, but they get to make up the details, followed by a bunch of bad fan newsletters, and then a transcription of one guy's *REALLY* bad psychedelic trip.
And I don't know why christians worship jesus. It ought to be Paul they worship. Most of the books are written by him and project his thoughts. Christians always crow about how god is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow. Just look at the old testament and the new testament and then tell me that again.
This is a woman who has defended waving the Confederate flag, despite the fact of its being a symbol of subjugation of people with her skin color. She's defending the very people who would see her in chains, toiling away in the fields.
She also denies the Holocaust. Had she lived in Europe in the 30s and 40s, she would have quickly found out just how real the Holocaust was.
Yes , Candace Owen’s is scary because she does believe these conspiracy theories, creationism being the ONLY way the earth was created, the world being led by evil oligarchs and their sexual deviations and gender identity being switched on/ off with an electrical switch . Part of her appeal is its simplicity, unlike the science about creation, gender identity and medicine itself. You have to have SOME intelligence to understand those facts. But the most dangerous aspect of Candace Owens is her ability to propagate her ridiculous beliefs on social media that permeates ALL aspects of our lives, which gives her a huge megaphone to reach those who can’t do their own research or choose not to. It’s easier to just listen to someone on social media than take the time to educate yourself with the truth. In other words, she represents the big negative of social media.
That one about "If we came from apes, why are there still apes?". Rather than go into technical detail about parallel descents from common ancestors, I just go with the simpler "If you came from your parents, why are they still alive?". (Less effective with people whose parents are dead, but the point still largely gets across.)
My kind of "crazy" would probably include Montgomery Scott, Geordi La Forge, Miles O'Brien, and Trip Tucker, except that they'd all be way over my head.
It always amazes me how anyone who uses the bible as an authoritative source of info is so damn ignorant of the history of how it was written, rewritten...and rewritten...and rewritten, etc. until it is nothing more than mixed up laundry list of myths, parables, and maniacal ramblings.
““Wow, that sounds really crazy” is the only accurate thing Owens said.“
I disagree, she also said:
“this world is being run by a very small group of elite oligarchs”
Which is true, but the description of the oligarchs is wrong. The fact that she’s carrying water for the oligarchs with this diatribe and all her other nonsense bears mentioning as well. And that is the scary part, that there are people in the bullseye of the target of the oligarchy that will give them pointers on aiming properly are what’s really scary.
“Doing your own research” from a MAGA means “I looked at right wing sites that agree with my preconceived notions that were gleaned from other right wing websites which I don’t actually vet because if I did I might learn they’re wrong”. FIFY
I used to have a sweatshirt that said Maven University, Opinion Above Knowledge. I actually had people think it was a real place because the script on it looked like any real university 🙄
Candy, Candy, Candy. You seem to be deliberately conflating sex and gender. They are not the same thing. First of all, science never said anyone can choose their own sex. Everything we know about biological sex in humans points to the bimodality of sex. Not a strict binary. And it's a whole lot more than the narrow interpretation of an early Iron Age book written by ignorant people who did not know where the sun went at night. Gender is a social construct. One's gender also exists on a bimodal spectrum. The simplest I can break it down is that most people are one or the other and some are somehere in between, and where that is does not always match the sex assigned at birth.
I suspect (though I cannot prove) that you are lying. I suspect that you understand this much about sex and gender already. I suspect your motive is to stay relevent and collect money from the willfully ignorant conservatives who are angry and afraid in order to keep them that way in service to your corporate masters.
She's also conflating science with social or educational policy. Science tells you how the world functions; we humans decide what to do about it. So science might tell you a drug does biological effect A with biological side effect B, but it's social policy - not science - when some community of humans decides 'we will make that drug legal/illegal/some intermediate regulation.'
Candace Owens is mentally ill, and trying to reason with her would be about as effective as giving medicine to a dead person. I've felt for a long time that organized religion excuses a lot of mental illness. She is a case in point.
She is definitely enculted and has zero critical thinking skills. She sees no reason to change her mind- especially since she makes money off the woo. A lot of these people get some kind of visceral joy making people with critical thinking skills face palm.
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Nah, don't tar the mentally ill like that. This is a perfectly healthy brain which simply an example of what happens when you combine GIGO with confirmation bias.
She doesn't belive any of it, she does it for the money, she enjoys the attention, and the wingnuts pay her well to spout their bullshit.
"Perfectly healthy brain"...hmm....hard to come to that conclusion after what I just read...🤔
She’s a prime example of thinking the leopards won’t eat her face.
Absolutely..... doesn't she know her skin color is the wrong color for the Leopard party. MTG and Lauren would gladly eat her face off.
Of course they won't. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get shreds of stupid out from between your fangs?
Whatever her diagnosis, if she makes money practicing it, no treatment will have any effect.
There is no cure for any malady that makes money.
A necromancer is a healer whose personal philosophy is “Better late than never”.
I don't think she's mentally ill at all. I think she's a well calculated grift. She's figured out a way to make a living out of other peoples craziness, ignorance, despite and stupidity, much like so many people trotting around the right wing culture Warrior and religious world.
Charles Darwin enters the chat: "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." The Descent of Man (1871)
Stolen from oraxx on a different chat: "Creationists have been flailing away at poor old Darwin for a century and a half and have yet to land a punch. If they understood how science works they wouldn't waste their time attacking evolution, they would be proving their own point. Given there is no evidence for their beliefs, this is a tall order. They cling to the delusion they win by default if Darwin can just be discredited. Darwin is hardly their only problem. Pretty much everything we think we know about the life-sciences, geology, and cosmology have to be wrong as well, while some Bronze Age goat herders who did not know where the sun went at night got things exactly right."
Bronze Age goat herders? You could use that term to label some modern day MAGATs and substitute “orange” for bronze to describe one in particular.
We have entered the Orange Age....
May it be short and inconsequential. Kind of like his appendage.
VERY short and VERY inconsequential!!!
I prefer unwashed, lice-infested, flea-bitten donkey jockeys.
You mean as sexual partners, or...?
🤬
Creationists have never read "On the origin of Species", just like they have never read their Bible.
If you buy a bible and don't read it, you are catholic. If you buy a bible and cherry pick and decontextualize it to fit your own world vision, you are an evangelical. If you buy a bible and read it from cover to cover, you are an atheist.
They read that one part about the eye that other creationists quote mine to "prove" that ole Chuck didn't really believe his Theory. And they only read it from Kent Hovind's Powerpoint slide. They ususally think his only book was 𝘖𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘯. They are unaware that he did not address human evolution until 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘋𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘢𝘯.
Or A.I. Oparin’s “The Origin of Life”. His science is dated and has advanced—as science does unlike religion— but his basic ideas are very sound.
Magnificent!
I agree: this oraxxian oration is outstanding.
Thank you for the quote. ;)
Are this your words? When I copied it, I missed the name.
Yes. You are welcome to it.
I added your name to give proper credit. It's a great comment!
Not necessary, but thank you. This forum is all about ideas.
Owens is a prime example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
For once I agree with her. She did not take part in the evolutionary process and it shows.
+++ If anything, she's an evolutionary dead end, kind of like the platypus.
Don't be rude to the Platypus! They are far more intelligent than Candace Owens.
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"Don't be rude to the Platypus!"
youtu.be/jSMZ8JE0gmA
Agent P definitely is.
The platypus is someone's idea of a joke. Deity, aliens, Silurians, time-traveling humans, somebody messed with that species evolution just to screw with any intelligence that came upon Earth.
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Candace Owens lost her Golden Goose and she's looking for a new home. She'll say whatever it takes to get one.
If I had heard of her before, I don't remember. Looking her up, I see she has some distasteful associates.
She's been whoring herself out to the white patriarchy for years, serving as the useful "token black conservative" who rubber-stamps racist Republican ideas and whitewashes black history, throwing her own people under the bus and cashing the checks.
She recently fell afoul of one of her white masters (Ben Shapiro) and got kicked to the curb, so now she's flailing around in limbo, looking for a new grift. She tried going back to the black community (pretending she's always been one of them), but they rightfully rejected her as the foe she is. Now she appears to be rooting around among the "anti-evolution" crowd, sniffing around for a new grift.
It's good to see her out in the cold: she's been a purveyor of harmful ideas for years, enabling the Republican party to keep black people down. May she wander the wilderness for a long time.
Just like Clarence Thomas (uncle Tom)
Exactly!
You are on point my friend!
Thanks Marv! 🤘🏽
Quite a few, in fact!
If I didn’t understand spoken English, I would think this woman were an expert and very reasonable, based on her demeanor and confidence. Alas, as I am relatively adept with Standard American English, I can’t help but notice that she reveals her ignorance or pure chicanery by employing “monkeys,” “apes,” and “chimps” interchangeably as she argues. Also, what does “science is instructing children” even mean? Can I get this “science” to take over my classroom for an hour a week so I can have a planning period?
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/higher_standard.png
Higher standard? Can we get any standard? Any at all?
Are you not satisfied with double standards ?
Bog knows that the christers are more than comfortable with 'em! 😝`
Nope. I leave that to xians.
You can't become a god, but you can create a God who agrees with everything you think and that is far more dangerous.
The thing is, I have no interest in being a god. I am far more interested in being who I am and having a command of my own self.
I suspect I'm not alone in this sentiment.
Yes! In fact, looking into & understanding myself has revealed to me that I am god and no one else has god-powers over me
I was just thinking the past couple of days about the bible. Wouldn't ya think that a book meant to highlight the love and power of savior and our god would be a little more positive and not so negative? The book is filled with lying, cheating, killing, genocide, patriarchy, hatred, murder, etc. It would be like me trying to date a really pretty girl that I am in love with and telling her all about the people that I have beaten up, killed, cheated, etc. Wouldn't that be a great way to work my way into her feelings.
it would work with Alice Morgan from "Luther".
might work with Miss Owens
I honestly don't understand how christians reconcile the old and new testaments. It's like if you put together "The Shining" with "The Gift of the Magi."
The Shining is much more coherent and well written. I'm not even sure the OT tells a story, it's more like a collection of short stories from some amateur writing in his 3rd language after a correspondence course.
The NT is a writing contest for 4 people to write the same basic story, but they get to make up the details, followed by a bunch of bad fan newsletters, and then a transcription of one guy's *REALLY* bad psychedelic trip.
And I don't know why christians worship jesus. It ought to be Paul they worship. Most of the books are written by him and project his thoughts. Christians always crow about how god is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow. Just look at the old testament and the new testament and then tell me that again.
He had dissociative identity disorder before he created a universe for his 6th grade science fair.
I like that thought.
And because of that, early Christians thought there were 2 separate gods......one nice, the other vengeful.
I heard a joke a few years back:
The god of the Old Testament is all about fire and brimstone and death and destruction.
The god of the New Testament is about love and peace and stuff.
What happened? Apparently in between those two books, god got laid.
😂 About fucking time.
This is a woman who has defended waving the Confederate flag, despite the fact of its being a symbol of subjugation of people with her skin color. She's defending the very people who would see her in chains, toiling away in the fields.
She also denies the Holocaust. Had she lived in Europe in the 30s and 40s, she would have quickly found out just how real the Holocaust was.
Even the leopards are dumbfounded by the sheer ignorance she’s demonstrating.
She'd give them indigestion if they ate her face.
Yes , Candace Owen’s is scary because she does believe these conspiracy theories, creationism being the ONLY way the earth was created, the world being led by evil oligarchs and their sexual deviations and gender identity being switched on/ off with an electrical switch . Part of her appeal is its simplicity, unlike the science about creation, gender identity and medicine itself. You have to have SOME intelligence to understand those facts. But the most dangerous aspect of Candace Owens is her ability to propagate her ridiculous beliefs on social media that permeates ALL aspects of our lives, which gives her a huge megaphone to reach those who can’t do their own research or choose not to. It’s easier to just listen to someone on social media than take the time to educate yourself with the truth. In other words, she represents the big negative of social media.
_" oligarchs and their sexual deviations"_
to normal people that would signify Pastors and Priests
I did not come from an ape, I am an ape.
If you're an ape, why are there still Vals?
That one about "If we came from apes, why are there still apes?". Rather than go into technical detail about parallel descents from common ancestors, I just go with the simpler "If you came from your parents, why are they still alive?". (Less effective with people whose parents are dead, but the point still largely gets across.)
I like "if the Pilgrims came from Europe, why is there still Europe?,"
We also came from fish, and there are still fish. Go figure...
because that's not my real name.
Pretty sure you're in good company, as it comes to that! 😁
Since all humans are apes, I’m in some poor company as well. Owens here, and Trump come to mind.
True enough. I was thinking more about the FA environment and our gang here.
Call me crazy (yer CRAZY!!!), but I like us!
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/your_kind_of_crazy.jpg
My kind of "crazy" would probably include Montgomery Scott, Geordi La Forge, Miles O'Brien, and Trip Tucker, except that they'd all be way over my head.
Montgomery Scott. No better engineer in the entire Universe under a tight deadline. He could have built Rome in a day.
Not B’leana Torres?
“You’re mad. Bonkers. Off your head… But I’ll tell you a secret: All of the best people are.”
Mandatory
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=crazy%20gnarls%20barkley%20videos&FORM=VIRE0&mid=9BF3C1B027CD739D65D09BF3C1B027CD739D65D0&view=detail&ru=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcrazy%20gnarls%20barkley
Now I feel like dancing !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBKJjRwvEsI
Me too.
I would add Ted Fucking Cruz but...
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/this-human-suit-is-itchy.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BfNFjrNPUA
I think this is one of the funniest lines/scenes ever
So, calling his supporters Trumpanzees isn't really an insult.
From Trumpan-A to Trumpan-Z.
They think it’s an insult, and that’s all that matters to them.
A super ape.
"The first thing Tak did, he wrote himself.
The second thing Tak did, he wrote the Laws.
The third thing Tak did, he wrote the World.
The fourth thing Tak did, he wrote a cave.
The fifth thing Tak did, he wrote a geode, an egg of stone."
Candace is an ignoraminus. This is how the world was created; it's written in a book so it's true !
(Coincidentally, I started rereading Thud yesterday)
It always amazes me how anyone who uses the bible as an authoritative source of info is so damn ignorant of the history of how it was written, rewritten...and rewritten...and rewritten, etc. until it is nothing more than mixed up laundry list of myths, parables, and maniacal ramblings.
It’s because they use the Bible as an authoritarian source not an authoritative source.
Well-made distinction!
They need to be reminded that the KJV was written so that KJ can be publicly gay.
Also to enforce the Divine Right of Kings. His son Charles 1st got the axe for insisting on that position.
““Wow, that sounds really crazy” is the only accurate thing Owens said.“
I disagree, she also said:
“this world is being run by a very small group of elite oligarchs”
Which is true, but the description of the oligarchs is wrong. The fact that she’s carrying water for the oligarchs with this diatribe and all her other nonsense bears mentioning as well. And that is the scary part, that there are people in the bullseye of the target of the oligarchy that will give them pointers on aiming properly are what’s really scary.
She suffers from Dumbing-Krackpot effect 😁
“Doing your own research” from a MAGA means “I looked at right wing sites that agree with my preconceived notions that were gleaned from other right wing websites which I don’t actually vet because if I did I might learn they’re wrong”. FIFY
I still can't contain my astonishment when someone links to an opinion piece as if it settles a disagreement of facts.
I used to have a sweatshirt that said Maven University, Opinion Above Knowledge. I actually had people think it was a real place because the script on it looked like any real university 🙄
𝑊𝑒'𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑠𝑒𝑥. 𝑊𝑒'𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑠𝑒𝑥.
Candy, Candy, Candy. You seem to be deliberately conflating sex and gender. They are not the same thing. First of all, science never said anyone can choose their own sex. Everything we know about biological sex in humans points to the bimodality of sex. Not a strict binary. And it's a whole lot more than the narrow interpretation of an early Iron Age book written by ignorant people who did not know where the sun went at night. Gender is a social construct. One's gender also exists on a bimodal spectrum. The simplest I can break it down is that most people are one or the other and some are somehere in between, and where that is does not always match the sex assigned at birth.
I suspect (though I cannot prove) that you are lying. I suspect that you understand this much about sex and gender already. I suspect your motive is to stay relevent and collect money from the willfully ignorant conservatives who are angry and afraid in order to keep them that way in service to your corporate masters.
She's also conflating science with social or educational policy. Science tells you how the world functions; we humans decide what to do about it. So science might tell you a drug does biological effect A with biological side effect B, but it's social policy - not science - when some community of humans decides 'we will make that drug legal/illegal/some intermediate regulation.'
She's just one more grifter, taking her marks for whatever she can get.
Except at this point she has no marks, and is just throwing shit to see what sticks.
Bingo.