The United States enjoys as much religious freedom as can be found on earth, and I will never understand why that isn't enough for the religious right who is driven to force their belief system on everyone. Nor will I ever understand the people who delegate their thinking to the clergy. Doug Wilson is putting forward the gospel of toxic masculinity which appeals to the worst kind of men, and the women who marry them.
At some level or other, I think that Wilson and others like him are insecure about their faith and/or wanting an immutable advantage over others, and they want to use their belief system as their leverage. They're control freaks, just as Zorgin says.
They can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious afterlife from now on, but there is nothing they crave more than power and control on this earthly plain. The idea any religion could be imposed on a country as large and diverse as the United States with a happy ending, is about as stupid and delusional as thinking gets.
I believe they know it's going to end in civil war and chaos. They believe they are going to win. And I fear they will. Mostly because most USAians don't take them seriously.
I take a little comfort in knowing these extremist groups are inherently unstable in the long term due to the extremists who make them up. They tend to spend almost all their time talking among themselves and it leaves them with an exaggerated sense of their own power and importance. That fewer than half of all American adults now claim any religious affiliation does not work in their favor.
It will end badly for them. People like this enjoy the power they exert over their "flock" and sooner or later will come to think they have the right and even the duty to abuse that power. Especially with women (but not exclusively). Then they fall, and somewhere another zealot will rise.
They're hyper-secure. (1) Hypothesize that if you create a Christian community, social problems will go away. (2) Create Christian community, discover problems don't go way. (3) Conclude that the hypothesis was wrong? Never! Conclude instead that the Christian community must be bigger for this to work. That the only possible explanation for your kid's gayness, uncle Bob's sex abuse, and the pastor defrauding the congregation for drug money must be that the kids in the next town over aren't saying prayers in school.
Less hyper-secure than hyper-confident. Problem is, confidence in a concept doesn't necessarily equate to efficacy or even validity of that concept. And, as you say, they'll do damned near anything to make excuses for why it falls on its face ...
Fair enough. Hyper-confident that their God will hyper-collective punishment them unless they get the neighbor's kid to hyper-pray the Lord's prayer in school.
Also, their self-identity is so intertwined with their faith & that anything that can cast or might cast, doubt for lack of a better word, causes cognitive disassociation & makes them question themselves & their faith subconsciously. That probably terrifies them so they have determined that everyone & everything must comply with their worldview to ease their discomfort and validate their self-identity. Instead of growing up & accepting others' differences. IMHO.
It's lost on a lot of people that the American republic was the first country on earth to ban religion from government. A common thing today, but a radical idea for the 18th century. It was an idea far ahead of the curve.
Should the christains gain the absolute power they crave, the last two three hundred years will be called the dark age. If they even bother to educate children beyond the peasant level at all.
"...I will never understand why that isn't enough for the religious right who is driven to force their belief system on everyone."
Because religious freedom is anathema to that goal.
They don't want religious freedom, they want religious dominance - theirs.
They understand - on some level - that their concept of god is fundamentally weak and this gives them the chance to be the hero they feel they should truly be recognized as - bold captains in shining plate, striking out against the foul legions arrayed against them, slaughtering joyously in the absolute certainty that they do so for the right.
Really, they should just play paladins in a TTRPG. (If they could find anyone to play with - but that's what the internet is for.)
Worse, they're analogizing to Sodom and Gomorrah, and a lot of them legitimately think that fire and brimstone will fly and take out everyone, including them, if they don't force everyone to believe exactly as they do, or at least act like they believe it.
On a deep level, they know their caanannite storm god isn't any more real than any other fiction men dreamed up. That's why they will do everything in their power to make everyone obey their parasitic crop of monsters. If they really believed it was real they wouldn't do even a single percent of the hateful things they do.
As a teacher, I certainly am not going to tell my students that Christ nonsense is actual history, nor will I traumatize them with biblical propaganda. There are better myths and fables we can read, like the crow and the cheese. Take my opinion with a block of salt though. For context into what a horrible type of adult I am, when my son was in first grade, I got an angry call from his teacher. He had told his classmates Santa wasn’t real. I said I was sorry the kids were sad, but I choose not to lie to my child. Just like I’m not going to hide from my students the fact that some kids have two dads or that they deserve to be addressed by the names and pronouns they choose.
So ... Doug Wilson has delusions about how to turn the United States into a Christian nation ... which is weird. I mean, how many bible-believing bimbos already think it IS one? And those ideas of his ARE delusions, too, gang. Does Doug genuinely think that the Apostles' Creed will be voted on by a super-majority of the House and Senate, then approved by 38 states? Considering the current makeup of the Supreme Court, his idea about their declaration is somewhat more likely, but not by much. As for the concept of the president's statement, does anyone here see Biden doing such a thing? I can just hear his response to such a suggestion: MALARKEY!!!
There would be a further reaction, too: from the ACLU, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, shoot, even the Jewish Defense League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations will be screaming bloody murder, never mind thousands if not millions of ordinary citizens who actually care about State - Church separation.
Ugh. The first time I spoke publicly as an atheist was many years ago on a dais with the infamous slavery apologist, Douglas Wilson in front of 600 right-wing, fundamentalist, young-Earth-creationist Evangelicals at a Christian college in my home town. Every similar public engagement since then has been easy and pleasant by comparison.
I have to say that he has changed. He's gotten worse.
In the ensuing years, American Christianity has accelerated as the Incredible Shrinking Religion, mostly because of their own bigoted and backward policies and behaviors. Seeing their grip on the minds of the populace slipping, the remaining leaders are steadily shifting their strategies and tactics from attraction and persuasion to coercion and compulsion. It's a vicious cycle, and vicious is the correct adjective on more than one level. Their attempts to stop the hemorrhaging just drive more people out, especially the young, and as they fail and their numbers dwindle, they double-down on those very same tactics.
We're in the midst of a religious cold war, and it's going to get hotter before it's over. Stay strong.
[Wilson then argued things would be way better for everyone—“way better than what we are dealing with now”—if we just took some key steps toward effectively declaring the U.S. a Christian Nation.]
How did that work out in Europe?
Let's ask the Catholics in England under Protestant reign. Or the Hugonauts in France under Catholic reign? The Donatists in Rome? Gnostics?
At what point has melding Church and State ever yielded a more loving and "godly" populace?
American history...
As the Native Americans how Christian America treated them.
Ask the African slaves how "godly" their masters were.
Ask the victims of racial terrorism in the South how pious and loving their persecutors were who were Christians who attended church every week.
Ask the people who were lynched and butchered by folks who put on their Sunday finest the next day and sang about how great God was. Ask the people of Tulsa or Rosewood or dozens of other neighborhoods whose Christian neighbors acts of loving their neighbors meant burning down their homes and murdering them.
Ask the civil rights workers who disappeared or were beaten or were blasted with hoses or tortured or had dogs set upon them for demanding equality.
Ask the last prophet of America, Martin Luther King Jr.
At what point did official Christianity make men better? When did it stay the hand of violence against people considered inferior by the ones with power? When has state Christianity ever brought an act of good to people without a field of blood brought in the other hand?
Let's ask the ghosts of six million Jews if their Christian neighbors loved them. Or the millions of others who were murdered in death camps in the span of a few short years.
Blood at every turn and the hypocrites dismiss the past and the past victims and say it wasn't true Christianity that did this while they do the same damnable things their ideological and sometimes biological ancestors did.
Ye adorn the graves of the prophets while plotting to make more dead martyrs.
The only proof we really need that theocracy is a dreadful idea, which would spell disaster for any country consumed by it, is that the loudest advocates for it are invariably the absolute worst fucking people alive.
Right, because the last two hundred years has historically been run by atheists and LGBTQ people, and people of color.
Wealthy, white, cis-het, Christian males have been the folks in charge, and they’re the one shitting on everything making life crap. They’re also the ones crying the loudest about their life being crappy. Suck an egg.
This is only one link. The story's all over the Internet. They really did not think things through. And if they keep making gaffes, they're going to find themselves residing in Siberia (if they're lucky).
Who paid for the 10 plane tickets ? Last video I saw, the father complained that their money was still frozen and the Russian government was pressing them to leave.
I lived in Moscow, Idaho for about 12 years, back when Christ Church was relatively new. I knew Doug Wilson, who would come by the local newspaper where I worked. Nice guy, very personable. Not dumb, has a sense of humor. He has stuck doggedly to his lifelong goal of leading a cult and taking over the local government. Women are absolutely secondary in his universe. Children have no rights, including no right not to be sexually molested. He has way more power now than he did back then (1970s-80s). He fits right into the current crazy ethos of my home state. Glad I moved to California.
The experiment has been tried countless times, is still being tried, and it fails. The puritan colonies were not 'way better' than the modern US, in fact things like crime rates, starvation, death from disease etc. are way down now as compared to the 17th century. Illegal Mormon offshoot towns are not 'way better,' they have high rates of violence and unemployment and often survive off of state and federal welfare. As do many orthodox insular Jewish communities. Texas is not 'way better' than Vermont. The branch Davidians were not 'way better' than mainstream US society. Clearly when it comes to women's rights, your 900 person community is not 'way better' than the non-fundie community it lives in (and I'd guess you have other problems in spades, too). Statistically, there is no difference between the crime rates of Christians vs. non-Christians. And so on, and so on.
Prove this 'way better' claim at the small scale before anyone will take it seriously for the large scale. Bet you can't...at least, not without pouring tons of money into social support for that community. Because THAT is the key to lowering crime, poverty, etc - not your faith. Attributing to Christianity the success of some massively well-funded community is much like watching the doctor perform a successful operation and then thanking God for the result.
They sit in their quiet little towns watching the Fascist Propaganda Network showing protests on college campuses, riots in big cities and sensationalized stories about refugees flooding across our southern border and they think; "well they could use a good dose of 'Christian Love'".
It's "way better" in their minds and nowhere else. They THINK it'd be "way better" because they've been told to believe it will be, and because they also think it puts them in the proverbial Catbird Seat.
Time to ban religious superstition? Just try telling me what i can read. They will end up with their bible shoved up their assholes. At least there jesus will be well-fed. Think of all the sewage treatment plants we could shut down with jesus being properly fed.
FFS, librarians are the guardians at the gate regarding assholes like these. The lege’s ideas of “obscenity” = “anything we say it is”. If they pass this, they can expect a big old court battle.
Religions requiring a helping hand from the government because they can't do it on their own and their god doesn't intercede on their behalf are what Deist key founder Benjamin Franklin referred to as bad religions.
I'm in a "conversation" on the National Catholic Register (their system only allows comments for 3 days and it usually takes a while for comments to be approved by a mod) on an article about a new Vatican document on discerning apparitions. I replied to someone and asked how one determines what constitutes a supernatural event. Fatima was brought up, so I asked what the actual miracle was. A large number of people saw the sun do...stuff. Reports on what was seen are conflicting, some people in the immediate vicinity saw nothing. So far, no answer.
If the Sun moved out of its position and came anywhere near Earth, all life on the planet would've been extinguished.
The locals weren't the only ones that didn't see the Sun's alleged antics. If Sol really had been jumping around, you'd think it would have been noticed by the news media of the day. Utter silence by the press. Not just in Portugal but every nation on Earth that was in daylight at the time.
Love good booze (especially Speyside single-malt scotch whisky!), and LOVE good sex ... but The Church of All Worlds, as described by Robert Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land is an unattainable fantasy, considering that the Martian language, as taught by Valentine Michael Smith, is unavailable to us.
So I'll stick with the contents of my liquor cabinet and lovin' my gal ... and frankly, that works remarkably well!
"Wilson then argued things would be way better for everyone"
Easy, peasy. It works the same way with Covid stats, nobody die of it if we don't put it as the cause of death on certificates. The same way, things are better if nobody is allowed to complain.
"Later in the video, he said he could be pushed away from Christian Nationalism [...] or were antisemitic."
This one is easier. He just have to proclaim* the men in the following links are not christians, that way NastCs are not antisemitic
* If there is still doubt, he can either expell protesters from his church by saying they alallowed their wives to choose between doing the dishes or washing the clothes. Or claims that any video where he was antisemitic was doctored by Commatheitanists.
Thinks we'd be better off as a Christian Nation, does he?
Tell that to the students of Oikos University, a Christian College in Oakland, CA. Back in 2012, there was a mass shooting that left 7 dead and 3 wounded. The shooter, a man named One L. Goh, was a former student. IOW, a Christian.
Oh, but of course, Wilson would dub him a "bad actor" and steer clear of him. Typical Christian. Refuse to take any sort of responsibility for the actions of a "brother in Christ." And where was Wilson's god? Did the all-knowing deity of the bible not know what Goh was up to? Why didn't he cause Goh's gun to jam? Did the biblical god WANT this to happen? It would certainly explain why he ignored the prayers of the students and teachers.
Or maybe...just maybe...there is no god and this lunatic (who had disciplinary issues and was asked to leave the school a few months before the shootings) had free reign to deal death.
It was too busy clucking its tongue in disapproval that 'vessels' were at a school and not ignorantly pumping out their 7th or 8th rugrat at their masters home.
This is the reason the Founding Fathers set up the Constitution the way they did - they lived under the Brits who imposed The Church of England and all the non-Anglican sects who fled to the colonies were fleeing harassment back home. They knew what having an official religion would do and so do these creeps. The women in his movement are nothing but domestic slaves and baby factories. It would be interesting to see data on the death stats of women in these cults compared to women in the general population.
Sadly many of these women have been heavily indoctrinated into this misogynistic bullshit since they were little girls, always being told they are inferior, not equal, sinners, their job is to suffer because of Eve in the Garden of Eden. Like any cult, they use massive mind f*ck. Most of these women don't work, not that they would have time with all the kids but their husbands don't like it (work might give them ideas of independence, they can't have that, their name is not on the mortgage, they have no bank account, they have no money, they have no education.
What amazes me is that mainstream seems to agree that this is just a church - it is so clear to me that it is a CULT. I guess if you scream from a pulpit with a bible you can claim to be a "church" which gives you a lot of air cover.
Religion is all about control. It is why people with authoritarian personalities gravitate to it. They feel very threatened right now, because so many 'nones' are flaunting their freedom to ignore their control. They are creating bastions of Control like Florida and Texas where us woke folks are being made to feel quite unwelcome.
Agreed, all about control. The entire south of this country is still fighting the civil war; legislatively and culturally. I'm currently in Tennessee. A bunch of damn zealots control this state. And the disease has spread, if you follow the disease all the way up to let's say Idaho the problem still ties directly back to religion, the evangelicals and the Mormons who make up the largest portion of Idaho.
The United States enjoys as much religious freedom as can be found on earth, and I will never understand why that isn't enough for the religious right who is driven to force their belief system on everyone. Nor will I ever understand the people who delegate their thinking to the clergy. Doug Wilson is putting forward the gospel of toxic masculinity which appeals to the worst kind of men, and the women who marry them.
Control freaks.
They want everyone to be as miserable as they are.
Bingo!
At some level or other, I think that Wilson and others like him are insecure about their faith and/or wanting an immutable advantage over others, and they want to use their belief system as their leverage. They're control freaks, just as Zorgin says.
And we can't let them have their way.
They can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious afterlife from now on, but there is nothing they crave more than power and control on this earthly plain. The idea any religion could be imposed on a country as large and diverse as the United States with a happy ending, is about as stupid and delusional as thinking gets.
I believe they know it's going to end in civil war and chaos. They believe they are going to win. And I fear they will. Mostly because most USAians don't take them seriously.
I take a little comfort in knowing these extremist groups are inherently unstable in the long term due to the extremists who make them up. They tend to spend almost all their time talking among themselves and it leaves them with an exaggerated sense of their own power and importance. That fewer than half of all American adults now claim any religious affiliation does not work in their favor.
While it is a good thing that religion is loosing people, I am afraid the fanatic ones are a real danger.
That's just it. The churches are being distilled down to the true believers who inhabit a world beyond the reach of facts and reason.
It will end badly for them. People like this enjoy the power they exert over their "flock" and sooner or later will come to think they have the right and even the duty to abuse that power. Especially with women (but not exclusively). Then they fall, and somewhere another zealot will rise.
They'll win a few battles. They won't win the war.
And no matter how much they say they believe they are going to paradise for all eternity, they sure don’t want to get there any time soon.
the will to power -
:a conscious or unconscious desire
to exercise authority over others
They're hyper-secure. (1) Hypothesize that if you create a Christian community, social problems will go away. (2) Create Christian community, discover problems don't go way. (3) Conclude that the hypothesis was wrong? Never! Conclude instead that the Christian community must be bigger for this to work. That the only possible explanation for your kid's gayness, uncle Bob's sex abuse, and the pastor defrauding the congregation for drug money must be that the kids in the next town over aren't saying prayers in school.
Less hyper-secure than hyper-confident. Problem is, confidence in a concept doesn't necessarily equate to efficacy or even validity of that concept. And, as you say, they'll do damned near anything to make excuses for why it falls on its face ...
... Every Last Time.
The terrorists who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center did not lack certainty.
And they probably prayed as much as Wilson, or more, and to the same God.
Fair enough. Hyper-confident that their God will hyper-collective punishment them unless they get the neighbor's kid to hyper-pray the Lord's prayer in school.
I hyper-agree..... 🤣
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Also, their self-identity is so intertwined with their faith & that anything that can cast or might cast, doubt for lack of a better word, causes cognitive disassociation & makes them question themselves & their faith subconsciously. That probably terrifies them so they have determined that everyone & everything must comply with their worldview to ease their discomfort and validate their self-identity. Instead of growing up & accepting others' differences. IMHO.
They had 17 centuries of absolute control and they want it back.
It's lost on a lot of people that the American republic was the first country on earth to ban religion from government. A common thing today, but a radical idea for the 18th century. It was an idea far ahead of the curve.
150 some years later The USSR bans religion from government and the US propaganda machine turned it into atheism=communism.
There is a reason much of it was called the "Dark Ages".
Should the christains gain the absolute power they crave, the last two three hundred years will be called the dark age. If they even bother to educate children beyond the peasant level at all.
Education is anathema to them, so probably no education will be allowed, it could lead to critical thinking, after all!
Ignorance is a sacrament to the abrahamists.
They'll have a single curriculum and a single schoolbook (their bible).
One word: FEAR.
"The United States enjoys as much religious freedom as can be found on earth"
Not true. Freedom House rates 210 countries in terms of freedom. The US has a score of 83 which isn't even in the top 30.
https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores?sort=desc&order=Total%20Score%20and%20Status
Fascinating. The most irreligious (and happiest) countries on Earth top the list.
Thanks Obama/Soros/Biden.
"...I will never understand why that isn't enough for the religious right who is driven to force their belief system on everyone."
Because religious freedom is anathema to that goal.
They don't want religious freedom, they want religious dominance - theirs.
They understand - on some level - that their concept of god is fundamentally weak and this gives them the chance to be the hero they feel they should truly be recognized as - bold captains in shining plate, striking out against the foul legions arrayed against them, slaughtering joyously in the absolute certainty that they do so for the right.
Really, they should just play paladins in a TTRPG. (If they could find anyone to play with - but that's what the internet is for.)
Worse, they're analogizing to Sodom and Gomorrah, and a lot of them legitimately think that fire and brimstone will fly and take out everyone, including them, if they don't force everyone to believe exactly as they do, or at least act like they believe it.
It's past that. It's religious subsidy. And they take advantage of it.
On a deep level, they know their caanannite storm god isn't any more real than any other fiction men dreamed up. That's why they will do everything in their power to make everyone obey their parasitic crop of monsters. If they really believed it was real they wouldn't do even a single percent of the hateful things they do.
As a teacher, I certainly am not going to tell my students that Christ nonsense is actual history, nor will I traumatize them with biblical propaganda. There are better myths and fables we can read, like the crow and the cheese. Take my opinion with a block of salt though. For context into what a horrible type of adult I am, when my son was in first grade, I got an angry call from his teacher. He had told his classmates Santa wasn’t real. I said I was sorry the kids were sad, but I choose not to lie to my child. Just like I’m not going to hide from my students the fact that some kids have two dads or that they deserve to be addressed by the names and pronouns they choose.
You ! You ! Rational and responsible adult ! How dare you raise tolerant children ?!
My folks didn’t lie to us kids about Santa and I didn’t lie to mine either.
So ... Doug Wilson has delusions about how to turn the United States into a Christian nation ... which is weird. I mean, how many bible-believing bimbos already think it IS one? And those ideas of his ARE delusions, too, gang. Does Doug genuinely think that the Apostles' Creed will be voted on by a super-majority of the House and Senate, then approved by 38 states? Considering the current makeup of the Supreme Court, his idea about their declaration is somewhat more likely, but not by much. As for the concept of the president's statement, does anyone here see Biden doing such a thing? I can just hear his response to such a suggestion: MALARKEY!!!
There would be a further reaction, too: from the ACLU, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, shoot, even the Jewish Defense League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations will be screaming bloody murder, never mind thousands if not millions of ordinary citizens who actually care about State - Church separation.
Blowback? By the shit-ton!
Ugh. The first time I spoke publicly as an atheist was many years ago on a dais with the infamous slavery apologist, Douglas Wilson in front of 600 right-wing, fundamentalist, young-Earth-creationist Evangelicals at a Christian college in my home town. Every similar public engagement since then has been easy and pleasant by comparison.
I have to say that he has changed. He's gotten worse.
In the ensuing years, American Christianity has accelerated as the Incredible Shrinking Religion, mostly because of their own bigoted and backward policies and behaviors. Seeing their grip on the minds of the populace slipping, the remaining leaders are steadily shifting their strategies and tactics from attraction and persuasion to coercion and compulsion. It's a vicious cycle, and vicious is the correct adjective on more than one level. Their attempts to stop the hemorrhaging just drive more people out, especially the young, and as they fail and their numbers dwindle, they double-down on those very same tactics.
We're in the midst of a religious cold war, and it's going to get hotter before it's over. Stay strong.
[Wilson then argued things would be way better for everyone—“way better than what we are dealing with now”—if we just took some key steps toward effectively declaring the U.S. a Christian Nation.]
How did that work out in Europe?
Let's ask the Catholics in England under Protestant reign. Or the Hugonauts in France under Catholic reign? The Donatists in Rome? Gnostics?
At what point has melding Church and State ever yielded a more loving and "godly" populace?
American history...
As the Native Americans how Christian America treated them.
Ask the African slaves how "godly" their masters were.
Ask the victims of racial terrorism in the South how pious and loving their persecutors were who were Christians who attended church every week.
Ask the people who were lynched and butchered by folks who put on their Sunday finest the next day and sang about how great God was. Ask the people of Tulsa or Rosewood or dozens of other neighborhoods whose Christian neighbors acts of loving their neighbors meant burning down their homes and murdering them.
Ask the civil rights workers who disappeared or were beaten or were blasted with hoses or tortured or had dogs set upon them for demanding equality.
Ask the last prophet of America, Martin Luther King Jr.
At what point did official Christianity make men better? When did it stay the hand of violence against people considered inferior by the ones with power? When has state Christianity ever brought an act of good to people without a field of blood brought in the other hand?
Let's ask the ghosts of six million Jews if their Christian neighbors loved them. Or the millions of others who were murdered in death camps in the span of a few short years.
Blood at every turn and the hypocrites dismiss the past and the past victims and say it wasn't true Christianity that did this while they do the same damnable things their ideological and sometimes biological ancestors did.
Ye adorn the graves of the prophets while plotting to make more dead martyrs.
"𝘞𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘐 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺, 𝘯𝘦𝘹𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘐 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘮𝘦. 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘮 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘵, 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘵. 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘦𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘰𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘥𝘭𝘺, 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴." - Frederick Douglass
Ask the people who were lynched and butchered by folks 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙨 who put on their Sunday finest the next day and sang about how great God was.
FIFY
The Cathars and Arians would like to testify but it will be a little hard. Do you know mediums who speak 6th century Latin and 12th century Occitan ?
I do, but she speaks with a 8th century Klingon accent. I got a migraine the last time she sang national anthem.
And the 15 Muslim countries that force Sharia law.
And Iran's Chastity law and Morality police. The thousands and thousands murdered, maimed, gassed, forced disappeared in Syria, Iran, Iraq.
Religious rule, Religious law never works.
The only proof we really need that theocracy is a dreadful idea, which would spell disaster for any country consumed by it, is that the loudest advocates for it are invariably the absolute worst fucking people alive.
Right, because the last two hundred years has historically been run by atheists and LGBTQ people, and people of color.
Wealthy, white, cis-het, Christian males have been the folks in charge, and they’re the one shitting on everything making life crap. They’re also the ones crying the loudest about their life being crappy. Suck an egg.
Oh honey, this stuffy old country would be 𝘸𝘢𝘺 more degenerate if I were the one running it.
Lol.
"You wanna roll back the clock? It's a deal. I pick the roaring 20s..."
Yes, me too ! But every one would be having a good time! The Puritans, they hate that!
Videos games and sex toys parties ? J'achète !
Sign me up!
Ask the boss lady ;)
😉
Why do Christians like Wilson hate America?
Wilson doesn't hate America.
He just hates Americans.
Because people have the freedom to be different.
It's not that they hate America, they actually want to live in Russia but *.
* Include pretext du jour.
Would love for them to emulate that bigoted Kanadian Khristian Kouple and their family of 10 and emigrate to Russia. Remember how THAT worked out?
It's the Russians' fault for not speaking English and not paying in Canadian Dollars !
It's also their fault for selling Alaska to USA instead of keeping it !
Hee hee hee! Dumbasses.
One of the kids stayed hoome, so at least one out of the bunch was smarter than the parents.
I bet they're sorry now!
Well, sorrier.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13116159/Canadian-family-russia-bank-frozen-frozen-apology-feenstra.html
This is only one link. The story's all over the Internet. They really did not think things through. And if they keep making gaffes, they're going to find themselves residing in Siberia (if they're lucky).
They had to go back to Canada for a period due to time immigration laws. I'm wondering if they are stupid enough to return.
Maybe they will try Uganda next time.
"I wonder if they are stupid enough to return."
Trick question?
Who paid for the 10 plane tickets ? Last video I saw, the father complained that their money was still frozen and the Russian government was pressing them to leave.
Now we know both are Bi/Gay and hate themselves cuz jeezy says they must.
Because people like us are allowed to exist.
I lived in Moscow, Idaho for about 12 years, back when Christ Church was relatively new. I knew Doug Wilson, who would come by the local newspaper where I worked. Nice guy, very personable. Not dumb, has a sense of humor. He has stuck doggedly to his lifelong goal of leading a cult and taking over the local government. Women are absolutely secondary in his universe. Children have no rights, including no right not to be sexually molested. He has way more power now than he did back then (1970s-80s). He fits right into the current crazy ethos of my home state. Glad I moved to California.
Evangelical Christians are never happy unless everyone else is either as miserable as they are or are also Evangelical Christians.
Is there a difference ?
Not really.
Like tRumpy. He won't be happy until everyone is as miserable as he is.
Well, he wants his interns, pages, and hookers to be awed by his prowess...
“…his prowess.”
That word is longer than his….um…prowess.
The best acting in history has been by the women who he's been with.
"Oh, DONALD, YOU'RE AMAZING!!!"
The character in Unforgiven. The one who goes after the woman with a knife for giggling at his tiny prick. That is don the con.
“𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑛𝑜𝑤”—𝑖𝑓 𝑤𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑡𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑘𝑒𝑦 𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑝𝑠 𝑡𝑜𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑒𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈.𝑆. 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑁𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
The experiment has been tried countless times, is still being tried, and it fails. The puritan colonies were not 'way better' than the modern US, in fact things like crime rates, starvation, death from disease etc. are way down now as compared to the 17th century. Illegal Mormon offshoot towns are not 'way better,' they have high rates of violence and unemployment and often survive off of state and federal welfare. As do many orthodox insular Jewish communities. Texas is not 'way better' than Vermont. The branch Davidians were not 'way better' than mainstream US society. Clearly when it comes to women's rights, your 900 person community is not 'way better' than the non-fundie community it lives in (and I'd guess you have other problems in spades, too). Statistically, there is no difference between the crime rates of Christians vs. non-Christians. And so on, and so on.
Prove this 'way better' claim at the small scale before anyone will take it seriously for the large scale. Bet you can't...at least, not without pouring tons of money into social support for that community. Because THAT is the key to lowering crime, poverty, etc - not your faith. Attributing to Christianity the success of some massively well-funded community is much like watching the doctor perform a successful operation and then thanking God for the result.
They sit in their quiet little towns watching the Fascist Propaganda Network showing protests on college campuses, riots in big cities and sensationalized stories about refugees flooding across our southern border and they think; "well they could use a good dose of 'Christian Love'".
Yes, sensationalist media that finds money in creating fear certainly doesn't help.
It's "way better" in their minds and nowhere else. They THINK it'd be "way better" because they've been told to believe it will be, and because they also think it puts them in the proverbial Catbird Seat.
WRONG!
The Bible-Belt South has some of the country's worst social metrics.
And they are so deluded by the propaganda and indoctrination that they think they have the 𝘣𝘦𝘴𝘵.
I think Alabama should just take it one step further and ban all books.
https://www.al.com/news/2024/04/alabama-house-approves-bill-criminalizing-librarians-if-they-dont-remove-obscene-material.html
stupid fascist assholes
Ban all books containing obscene material? Hope the most Christian state in America (tied with Mississippi) is prepared to ban the bible.
Don't give them ideas, or this time next month they'll have started issuing kerosene tanks to their fire departments.
Time to ban religious superstition? Just try telling me what i can read. They will end up with their bible shoved up their assholes. At least there jesus will be well-fed. Think of all the sewage treatment plants we could shut down with jesus being properly fed.
FFS, librarians are the guardians at the gate regarding assholes like these. The lege’s ideas of “obscenity” = “anything we say it is”. If they pass this, they can expect a big old court battle.
And an exodus of library workers.
The code still includes the “Miller test,” [...] sexually explicit and lacks literary, artistic, political or scientific value."
This is a loophole big enough for some trolling. Boccace, Chaucer, Ovid, some ancient Egypt poems...
Religions requiring a helping hand from the government because they can't do it on their own and their god doesn't intercede on their behalf are what Deist key founder Benjamin Franklin referred to as bad religions.
Problem is, are there any GOOD religions out there? Personally, I'm not convinced.
Let's face it: Good religion is an oxymoron.
The FSM agrees O_o
Haven't you heard? Courts have decided that Pastafarianism isn't a real religion.
(How does one distinguish what constitutes a "real" set of beliefs/deities?)
I'm in a "conversation" on the National Catholic Register (their system only allows comments for 3 days and it usually takes a while for comments to be approved by a mod) on an article about a new Vatican document on discerning apparitions. I replied to someone and asked how one determines what constitutes a supernatural event. Fatima was brought up, so I asked what the actual miracle was. A large number of people saw the sun do...stuff. Reports on what was seen are conflicting, some people in the immediate vicinity saw nothing. So far, no answer.
I am usually kicked out in 3 seconds flat.
If the Sun moved out of its position and came anywhere near Earth, all life on the planet would've been extinguished.
The locals weren't the only ones that didn't see the Sun's alleged antics. If Sol really had been jumping around, you'd think it would have been noticed by the news media of the day. Utter silence by the press. Not just in Portugal but every nation on Earth that was in daylight at the time.
Do you have something against booze and sex ?
Not enough of them?
TS and you said there is no good religion. Too bad, Hathor's cult is now closed for you 😁
But...but...I can walk like an Egyptian!
With or without Bangles ?
Love good booze (especially Speyside single-malt scotch whisky!), and LOVE good sex ... but The Church of All Worlds, as described by Robert Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land is an unattainable fantasy, considering that the Martian language, as taught by Valentine Michael Smith, is unavailable to us.
So I'll stick with the contents of my liquor cabinet and lovin' my gal ... and frankly, that works remarkably well!
Like I said to NOGODZ Hathor's cult was based on booze and sex, and that's not a fantasy 🤣
"Wilson then argued things would be way better for everyone"
Easy, peasy. It works the same way with Covid stats, nobody die of it if we don't put it as the cause of death on certificates. The same way, things are better if nobody is allowed to complain.
"Later in the video, he said he could be pushed away from Christian Nationalism [...] or were antisemitic."
This one is easier. He just have to proclaim* the men in the following links are not christians, that way NastCs are not antisemitic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/divisive-pastor-john-hagee-criticism-role-march-israel-rcna125346
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/new-ifb-pastors-promote-anti-lgbtq-bigotry-and-antisemitism-annual-conference
* If there is still doubt, he can either expell protesters from his church by saying they alallowed their wives to choose between doing the dishes or washing the clothes. Or claims that any video where he was antisemitic was doctored by Commatheitanists.
Thinks we'd be better off as a Christian Nation, does he?
Tell that to the students of Oikos University, a Christian College in Oakland, CA. Back in 2012, there was a mass shooting that left 7 dead and 3 wounded. The shooter, a man named One L. Goh, was a former student. IOW, a Christian.
Oh, but of course, Wilson would dub him a "bad actor" and steer clear of him. Typical Christian. Refuse to take any sort of responsibility for the actions of a "brother in Christ." And where was Wilson's god? Did the all-knowing deity of the bible not know what Goh was up to? Why didn't he cause Goh's gun to jam? Did the biblical god WANT this to happen? It would certainly explain why he ignored the prayers of the students and teachers.
Or maybe...just maybe...there is no god and this lunatic (who had disciplinary issues and was asked to leave the school a few months before the shootings) had free reign to deal death.
"And where was Wilson's god"
He was checking the women didn't show too much ankle and wrist.
It was too busy clucking its tongue in disapproval that 'vessels' were at a school and not ignorantly pumping out their 7th or 8th rugrat at their masters home.
This is the reason the Founding Fathers set up the Constitution the way they did - they lived under the Brits who imposed The Church of England and all the non-Anglican sects who fled to the colonies were fleeing harassment back home. They knew what having an official religion would do and so do these creeps. The women in his movement are nothing but domestic slaves and baby factories. It would be interesting to see data on the death stats of women in these cults compared to women in the general population.
𝑂𝑓 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑦𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑑, 𝑡𝑦𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑦 𝑖𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑠𝑡; 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑦𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛; 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑣𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑢𝑒 𝑢𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦.
― Thomas Paine
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool" - Mark Twain
Twain may have read Voltaire. Voltaire said:
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Sadly many of these women have been heavily indoctrinated into this misogynistic bullshit since they were little girls, always being told they are inferior, not equal, sinners, their job is to suffer because of Eve in the Garden of Eden. Like any cult, they use massive mind f*ck. Most of these women don't work, not that they would have time with all the kids but their husbands don't like it (work might give them ideas of independence, they can't have that, their name is not on the mortgage, they have no bank account, they have no money, they have no education.
What amazes me is that mainstream seems to agree that this is just a church - it is so clear to me that it is a CULT. I guess if you scream from a pulpit with a bible you can claim to be a "church" which gives you a lot of air cover.
Religion is all about control. It is why people with authoritarian personalities gravitate to it. They feel very threatened right now, because so many 'nones' are flaunting their freedom to ignore their control. They are creating bastions of Control like Florida and Texas where us woke folks are being made to feel quite unwelcome.
Agreed, all about control. The entire south of this country is still fighting the civil war; legislatively and culturally. I'm currently in Tennessee. A bunch of damn zealots control this state. And the disease has spread, if you follow the disease all the way up to let's say Idaho the problem still ties directly back to religion, the evangelicals and the Mormons who make up the largest portion of Idaho.
In God We Trust. This phrase should invalidate US Currency throughout the world. And yet...