Let me get this straight. A business that will generate revenue, jobs and taxes for the community has to jump through hoops and red tape to open in Georgia but a church that does not create jobs, taxes and takes money from the community can just open anywhere they want? And this is neutral to religion?
Matthew 11:18-19 Jesus says "For John (the Baptist) came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man (Jesus) came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” I never understood churches that prohibit alcohol.
Or an adult bookstore. True story, for decades there was an adult bookstore on 4 ST S in St. Petersburg, FL. Then decades later the Salvation Army built a shelter, with a chapel, on 14 Ave S just one block from the bookstore. No mention was ever made of the bookstore having to close.
"Both of those churches were within 100 yards of the store. It raised some obvious questions: Did the churches launch in those areas in order to thwart Duke from opening a liquor store?"
I won't be the only one who wondered the same thing. I would like for them to try that shit here 🤣
"We don’t condone the consumption of alcohol, as the Bible tells us.”
Did he strike Noah, Lot and Jesus out of his babble ? I don't remember the former being punished for excessive drinking, or even Lot.
As with so many biblical stories, one has to wonder WHO WAS WRITING IT. Did Lot tell someone after the fact, or did one of his kids spill the beans (or the wine!)?
Reportage in the bible has all the discipline of a madman's fire drill!
And they’re forever cherry picking when it comes to the Bible. If you can find a prohibition against it, most likely you will find someone doing it somewhere else.
The rape apologist who blamed the nameless victims wrote it, and if the girls thought it was normal to bone their nasty father, it is because he groomed them into thinking it was.
Don't forget he tried to pimp them out first, to an angry crowd who had torn apart prostitutes before.Real father of the year that one. It is such a blame the victims, excuse for the molesty father. He killed their mother, I'm betting "pillar of salt" actually was a pit of Lime. Then he kept them captive in a cave letting them think the world had ended. And how would he get an erection if he was old and drunk?
Yup. Frank's idea to have Fr. Mulcahy deliver a sermon against drinking at the 4077th while Henry was away in Tokyo (Frank had forbidden booze of all kinds, dismantled the still in the Swamp and even closed Rosie's).
His attempt at Prohibition eventually failed. It ended when even Frank succumbed to drinking in front of the camp when all hell broke loose inside the tent and Frank got clocked in the groin.
(Ironically, it was the unavailability of liquor that was causing trouble between Hawkeye and Trapper).
It was only when you attended to the god(dess) statues' needs. If I remember correctly, Egyptian priests had to fast, shave from head to toe, and abstain from sex and alcohol (I guess Hathor's priests got a pass on this one).
Some brewers went to Egypt and put pots of wort out so the native yeasts could start the fermentation process and it worked. Interesting article I can't find any more.
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
That clown pastor only has 25 followers, and now he's in the news. Publicity is Good, maybe that's why these two god biz establishments chose sites within 100 yards of a liquor store?
I would not be surprised one bit were it to come out that Pastor Hobbs, much like all the loudest voices in favor of the 18th Amendment back in 1917, enjoyed a drink or two (or ten) when the congregation and all his high-horse-moralizing buddies weren't looking. Hypocrisy is practically an article of faith for these people, and as we've seen time and again, every accusation is a confession.
Offhand, I'd say that the way to deal with this issue is to observe one thing: WHO WAS THERE FIRST. On the basis of the Georgia law, a church that wanted to frustrate a beer-wine-liquor establishment of any sort could open a hole-in-the-wall church within 100 yards of that business and force that owner's hand, which strikes me as utterly unfair. This is yet one more way that aggressive Christians can and clearly have used to step on businesses they don't like.
Thankfully, in THIS case, Duke's Wine & Spirits won out, and I applaud Steve Duke for sticking with this matter to its successful end.
I couldn't give a good rip if he were a false Christian or not. I'd be more interested in the single-malts he carried. Hey, DUKE! Do you carry the Quinta Ruban Glenmorangie? 😁
VERY tasty. The Glenmorangie distillery makes some damned fine single-malts, but the Quinta Ruban to me is the creme de la creme. It's finished in port wine casks, and that porto character comes through big-time!
I'd say the 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳 way to deal with this issue is to get rid of the law giving special zoning exclusion rights to churches. Like blue laws and dry counties, it's a holdover from the century-old mistake of Prohibition and its aftermath; it does no one any good, and moralizing morons will always find a way to abuse it.
I used to navigate through the really small towns by these yellow school buses with a cross over the windshield. The only thing in these "towns" was a dilapidated old school bus, masquerading as a church.
Mr. preacher man, your opposition to alcohol is for you and you alone. You don’t get to say for anyone else, not even your congregation. Sure, you can preach abstinence of alcohol until you’re blue in the face, but everyone else is welcome to ignore you all they want as well. You shouldn’t get a say in other existing businesses just because you decided to move in next door after the business was established. (It was established before it was opened, this was a tactic to keep it from opening, nothing more.)
My guess is that there are no restrictions for opening a gun store within 100 yards, or even 100 feet, of a school, church, mosque, synagogue, temple, ashram, or any other house of worship.
Also, there's no surprise that the law doesn't say anything about mosques, synagogues, temples, etc.
Let me get this straight. A business that will generate revenue, jobs and taxes for the community has to jump through hoops and red tape to open in Georgia but a church that does not create jobs, taxes and takes money from the community can just open anywhere they want? And this is neutral to religion?
Should make it illegal to open a church within 100 miles of children.
It's neutral to religion because it treats real religions like Southern Baptists the same as fake religions like Northern Baptists.
Forget it Jake, it's Georgia.
Yep, but they did elect two Democratic senators, so there is hope.
It is neutral to those jahve inspired religions. For me who support Odin and Thor and Mjød it is most definitely discrimination.
"Jesus turned water into wine."
"Christianity forbids alcohol consumption."
In what planet do those two sentences not. contradict each other?
Vintners turn water into wine all the time and think it's no big deal.
Wine imbibers turn wine into water all the time, too. It's a reversible process.
Sure, too much wine is bad for you, but just read up on the Noah story to see what too much water can do.
The bible is absolutely lousy with contradictions; I suppose that makes contradiction a sacrament.
What is christianity without contradictions?
Atheism.
Matthew 11:18-19 Jesus says "For John (the Baptist) came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man (Jesus) came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” I never understood churches that prohibit alcohol.
If it's illegal to open a liquor store within 100 yards of a church, how is it legal to open a church within 100 yards of a liquor store?
Nailed it.
That law should be reversed: "No church can be opened within 100 yards of an alcoholic beverage store."
Or an adult bookstore. True story, for decades there was an adult bookstore on 4 ST S in St. Petersburg, FL. Then decades later the Salvation Army built a shelter, with a chapel, on 14 Ave S just one block from the bookstore. No mention was ever made of the bookstore having to close.
Well that was adult of them.
SA is not a religion, to many.
Aren't they gay haters?
Yup. Anti-LGBTQ and so much more
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army
As the "B" part of that group, I give a hearty "Fuck them" for being just another hate-church!
I'm bi myself. Why do these clods find LGBTQs so freaking threatening? It has zero to do with their lives.
It's a Protestant denomination of Christianity with over a million and a half members in 109 countries as of 2009.
The .0001875%.ters of religions given a planet population of 8 billion.
The SA is a church.
Hear-freaking-HEAR! [hic!]
Pick yer poison!
And dose.
Yes, priorities.
"Both of those churches were within 100 yards of the store. It raised some obvious questions: Did the churches launch in those areas in order to thwart Duke from opening a liquor store?"
I won't be the only one who wondered the same thing. I would like for them to try that shit here 🤣
"We don’t condone the consumption of alcohol, as the Bible tells us.”
Did he strike Noah, Lot and Jesus out of his babble ? I don't remember the former being punished for excessive drinking, or even Lot.
There's also the matter of Lot's daughters, who liquored their father up, so that he could unknowingly impregnate both of 'em. Swell story, that. 😝
It's a love story.
I'm sure they drank a "Lot"
A drunken man getting erect and ejaculating twice, impregnating BOTH his formerly virgin daughters, is a Lot to swallow.
You'll get Noah argument here.
Ancient drunken dude with no shipbuilding experience constructs a boat the size of a super tanker along with his equally ancient sons.
Hoo boy!
Well, Lot was into speldrunkin.
Getting gerschtunkin. :)
According the the story, they weren't given that option.
Get it on DVD. Or, better yet, betamax. There's a little artistic license in that one.
Or at least, that's his story and he's sticking to it.
As with so many biblical stories, one has to wonder WHO WAS WRITING IT. Did Lot tell someone after the fact, or did one of his kids spill the beans (or the wine!)?
Reportage in the bible has all the discipline of a madman's fire drill!
And they’re forever cherry picking when it comes to the Bible. If you can find a prohibition against it, most likely you will find someone doing it somewhere else.
It’s like the book had several authors…🙄
The rape apologist who blamed the nameless victims wrote it, and if the girls thought it was normal to bone their nasty father, it is because he groomed them into thinking it was.
Don't forget he tried to pimp them out first, to an angry crowd who had torn apart prostitutes before.Real father of the year that one. It is such a blame the victims, excuse for the molesty father. He killed their mother, I'm betting "pillar of salt" actually was a pit of Lime. Then he kept them captive in a cave letting them think the world had ended. And how would he get an erection if he was old and drunk?
What goes on in a cave stays in the cave. “Dad, is that a stalagmite or do you just like me?”
Mentioned him. I am sure NOGODZ and Donrox can quote more passages about wine.
Zorgin beat me to what would have been my lead off mention by over 20 minutes (the one about Jesus CREATING wine for a Canaan wedding).
This is the trouble with being in the PNW. I'm perennially late to the party.
Yeah, but you have less asshole neighbors than if you lived in Flo Rida.
I remember this one from, of all places, a M*A*S*H episode (thanks, Father Mulcahy!):
𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐿𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑘𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝐴𝑎𝑟𝑜𝑛, 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔: 𝐷𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑟 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑘, 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢, 𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑒, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑒 𝑔𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑎𝑐𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑒: 𝑖𝑡 𝑠ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑡𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠.
-- Isaiah 5:11
I had a warning label on my beer when I brewed in Colorado.
"The Surgeon General says if you drink this, you will die. If you don't drink this, you will die."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A doctor recommended to DM's grandmother to have a shot of whisky every week for her heart.
Both her husband and her were didn't drink alcohol, but they never forbidden their children to drink what they wanted.
We see 100 year olds claiming their long life is due, in part, to a couple of shots of whisky daily. So there's that.
As I recall, Mulcahy was drunk when he gave that sermon. Funny show, great character.
Yup. Frank's idea to have Fr. Mulcahy deliver a sermon against drinking at the 4077th while Henry was away in Tokyo (Frank had forbidden booze of all kinds, dismantled the still in the Swamp and even closed Rosie's).
His attempt at Prohibition eventually failed. It ended when even Frank succumbed to drinking in front of the camp when all hell broke loose inside the tent and Frank got clocked in the groin.
(Ironically, it was the unavailability of liquor that was causing trouble between Hawkeye and Trapper).
Perhaps my favorite Father Mulcahy line of all time was when he told BJ, "This isn't one of my sermons! I expect you to listen!"
He was, loaded to the gills! 🤣
Funny, ancient Egypt (and probably Mesopotamians too) priests had the same restriction. It's just a coincidence, right ? 😁
Hell, I recall a citation of an Egyptian hieroglyphic, describing a formulation for beer! This is NUTZ!
It was only when you attended to the god(dess) statues' needs. If I remember correctly, Egyptian priests had to fast, shave from head to toe, and abstain from sex and alcohol (I guess Hathor's priests got a pass on this one).
Wine and beer libations were mandatory thought.
Some brewers went to Egypt and put pots of wort out so the native yeasts could start the fermentation process and it worked. Interesting article I can't find any more.
So basically, don't get drunk in church. Doesn't say anything about the rest of the week.
I know of at least one catholic priest who didn't know about that 🤣
The one who married one of my cousins and baptized his daughters. There was a lot of smirks and chuckles in the pews that day.
I'm sure many parishioners notice that the communion wine has been watered down... :D
Leviticus 10:8-9 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying,
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
And once again, the bible plagiarizes itself!
Me too! It helps that he repeated it so many times.
Isaiah 5:11 KJV
Woe to those who rise early in the morning
to run after their drinks,
who stay up late at night
till they are inflamed with wine.
Jebus turned water into wine.
He did turn water into wine BUT they made sure the wedding was 100 yards away from the synagogue.
How many cubits that would make ?
I was more on "Drink, this is my blood" but you are right too.
That was what my mom told her extremely teetotaling aunt as a kid, stopping her argument in its tracks: "But Jesus drank wine!"
Lyrics from a French song about wine, love and love of wine
"Aux noces de Cana,
Au milieu des ripailles,
C'est ce vin que Jesus,
Fit d'une eau ordinaire,
Et notons qu'il n'a pas eu l'idée du contraire."
"At the wedding at Cana,
In the middle of the feast,
It's wine which Jesus,
Made from a simple water,
Notice how he didn't think of the reverse."
Shitty Manishevitz wine.
That clown pastor only has 25 followers, and now he's in the news. Publicity is Good, maybe that's why these two god biz establishments chose sites within 100 yards of a liquor store?
I guess their parishioners will need it since the passtors seem to know their babble less than the average maga.
Try that in a wet town.
https://images.app.goo.gl/359HuZgEXULDRL4b8
"Wet" meaning that alcohol sales and consumption in restaurants is permitted, as opposed to "dry," where neither are permitted.
Try that (closing the alcohol store) in a small wet town.
Could jesus hold his liquor? NO, it ran out the holes in his feet.
Jesus hates jelly beans for a similar reason.
[Hobbs went on to say that drinking alcohol destroys homes, communities, and one’s work ethic]
So does fundamentalism, but you don't have any issues pushing that toxic shit on Americans.
I would not be surprised one bit were it to come out that Pastor Hobbs, much like all the loudest voices in favor of the 18th Amendment back in 1917, enjoyed a drink or two (or ten) when the congregation and all his high-horse-moralizing buddies weren't looking. Hypocrisy is practically an article of faith for these people, and as we've seen time and again, every accusation is a confession.
He prefers the liquor store in the next town over.
His congregation won't see him when he's deciding on the evening's libation.
I don't see the problem. They both deal in "Spirits". It's just that one is tangible and one is fake.
Saints Elijah Craig, Weller and Beam concur.
Good one!
Offhand, I'd say that the way to deal with this issue is to observe one thing: WHO WAS THERE FIRST. On the basis of the Georgia law, a church that wanted to frustrate a beer-wine-liquor establishment of any sort could open a hole-in-the-wall church within 100 yards of that business and force that owner's hand, which strikes me as utterly unfair. This is yet one more way that aggressive Christians can and clearly have used to step on businesses they don't like.
Thankfully, in THIS case, Duke's Wine & Spirits won out, and I applaud Steve Duke for sticking with this matter to its successful end.
He is a false christian. He thanked the people who actually helped him instead of his invisible vomit green god !
I couldn't give a good rip if he were a false Christian or not. I'd be more interested in the single-malts he carried. Hey, DUKE! Do you carry the Quinta Ruban Glenmorangie? 😁
I'd take a Bulleit for this guy!
Looks tasty.
VERY tasty. The Glenmorangie distillery makes some damned fine single-malts, but the Quinta Ruban to me is the creme de la creme. It's finished in port wine casks, and that porto character comes through big-time!
Highly recommended!
I'd say the 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳 way to deal with this issue is to get rid of the law giving special zoning exclusion rights to churches. Like blue laws and dry counties, it's a holdover from the century-old mistake of Prohibition and its aftermath; it does no one any good, and moralizing morons will always find a way to abuse it.
Exactly. Churches have gotten automatic and undeserved deference from local, state, and federal governments for longer than I care to think.
It is well past time such practices were abolished and older ordinances which take such action repealed.
I used to navigate through the really small towns by these yellow school buses with a cross over the windshield. The only thing in these "towns" was a dilapidated old school bus, masquerading as a church.
Mr. preacher man, your opposition to alcohol is for you and you alone. You don’t get to say for anyone else, not even your congregation. Sure, you can preach abstinence of alcohol until you’re blue in the face, but everyone else is welcome to ignore you all they want as well. You shouldn’t get a say in other existing businesses just because you decided to move in next door after the business was established. (It was established before it was opened, this was a tactic to keep it from opening, nothing more.)
Val, I have an idea as smart as the priest's. Since I don't drink coffee, you should stop too. And the fact that you are older than me is irrelevant 😁
I’m older than you? I thought we were about the same age.
You don’t get to tell other people what to do if they aren’t hurting anyone. And I’m not really a coffee drinker.
Your both are messing with my sacred grounds. You gots to give the Devil his brew.
I am 43.
Ok I got a few years on you, 49. Still, I’d consider you a peer.
Whipper snappers, both of you. (But both of you are allowed on my yard, anytime. : )
These kids with their bobby socks and hula hoops...
Too bad I don't have Rhapsodie anymore. Aria is out of the equation, she had a meltdown every time we tried to take her somewhere 🙄
😋
Them thars fightin' words.
My guess is that there are no restrictions for opening a gun store within 100 yards, or even 100 feet, of a school, church, mosque, synagogue, temple, ashram, or any other house of worship.
Also, there's no surprise that the law doesn't say anything about mosques, synagogues, temples, etc.