Few things ever demonstrated the disconnect between religion and morality quite like the evangelicals pledging their unconditional love for the most grotesquely immoral President in our history. I classify evangelicals as delusional by definition, and their expectation Donald Trump would reward their misguided loyalty by allowing them to participate in government was as delusional as it gets. Trump neither shares his toys nor plays well with others. Donald Trump played the preachers for the fools they are.
I’m not sure they are ‘fools’ so much as people who have been taught from the get go to ignore and deny anything which is at odds with their worldview. Look at their deeply held religious belief that the bible is ‘inerrant’. Just reading it from cover to cover shows up plenty of errors, contradictory statements, and plenty of statements by Jeebus that are woke. They are locked into a rigid thought process which is mean and being mean people, they are totally onboard with. This still makes them dangerous in a pluralistic democracy. And if we win in November, I think the real fireworks will start.
People who will not think for themselves are fools. They know better, but still refuse to give up their favorite fairy tales. Those who cannot think for themselves are not fools, but to be pitied. They can be gently taught. It is only when they willfully reject that instruction that they become fools.
It's not a meat more associated with France, albeit mine is not the only country to eat them. It was about how we are initially shaped by our culture but some outgrow it. For example, I don't like much French cuisine, too bland for my taste. I prefer a good tteokbokki* or a green curry.
Many, in fact I would dare say that most, atheists and agnostics today are people who were taught 'from the get go' a load of nonsense when they were too young to think logically and rationally. A lot of us grew out of it. But there are plenty of people who never grew up emotionally or psychologically and need a daddy figure to pat them on the head and tell them fairy stories. It's not an accident that most evangelical leaders are men, and the majority are white.
But the truth behind the mask is this: evangelical christianity was never about religion. It was about who to hate, who to other, who to put down to make yourself feel big, and whose pain to relish like sexual pleasure. The reason evangelicals crave the rapture isn't because they long to be united with their Jesus. It's so they can watch all those nonbelievers suffer, so they can enjoy the agony of people they've wanted desperately to believe weren't as good as they are.
I grew out of it because of the absolutely vile, lying hypocrites that call themselves Xtians while condemning good people outside the bubble. In fact on another blog I read, they were surprised (yes surprised) when they discovered a big lies at Answers in Genesis.
I raised as a Christian, but never saw any conflict between religion and science. After I got my degree in Geology in the 1970s, i came out into a world were the Xtian right was beginning its attack science and science education. All the lies I heard and saw turned my stomach. It obviously did not matter how much evidence there was for evolution and the total lack of evidence for creationism. It did not matter how many times a person (usually a white man) had been told. It did not matter how many times they lost in court.
I tell people I did not become an atheist because of science, i became an atheist because of christians.
Similar story here, but it was the vile behavior and venom spewed by the Westboro Baptist Church that started me on the road to disbelief. Once I was attuned to that, I began noticing it everywhere.
I get where you're coming from, but I myself like to characterize my attitude on the subject as being FOR reason and reality rather than AGAINST superstition and fairy tales.
I'll leave it to others to say that they're against me and my ideas, because I'd rather be the standard of comparison than the person on the outside commenting on the default position.
And THAT is a big deal in the current political environment. I'm not sure it's all that surprising, though, considering the emergence of The Lincoln Project out of the Republican party and movements like Republicans for Harris. I think it's one more indicator that Trump's shtick has finally worn out its welcome with many on the right, evangelicals included, and while there will continue to be the hardcore Trumpists who won't give up, judging by the dwindling crowds at Trump rallies, their numbers are dropping as well.
I'm a bit cynical; I think one reason there is less support for Trump this time around is because his last four years was not that impressive even by conservative standards. He succeeded in stacking the courts and handing out tax deductions, yes. But he also had a lot of policies that worked against traditional conservative economic interests.
- He failed to get rid of ACA, i.e. deregulate the medical insurance industry.
-He didn't give the private sector any government handouts for infrastructure development, like he promised.
-His anti-immigration policies make labor more expensive
-His nativist pro-trade barrier policies make goods and international trade more expensive
-His non-interventionist policies make the military industrial complex less profitable.
-His anti-EU and anti-NATO stance may not have had much effect, but was probably nevertheless alarming to folks in the international trade business.
TL:DR, Trump is not a trade neo-liberal, which the GOP has been since Reagan,. That wasn't apparent the first time around, but it is now, so I expect there's a lot of business conservatives that may have soured on him.
His comments regarding Medal of Honor recipients is impacting in Vets World, moreso than calling us "suckers" & "losers", disrespecting POW/MIAs and Gold Star Families, etc.
He has always disrespected us. I thought his attack on John McCain's service was the death-knell for his campaign. But his base just said "whew there is a real man!"
If Trump had ever put on the uniform, he'd have been the subject of a "blanket party" by his fellow recruits. If he deployed to Vietnam as an officer, he's have been fragged by his own men. Or if he went as a grunt, his fellow grunts would have done it.
Never would have happened. His father threatened to disown Donnie if he ever actually went into military service. My take on both of them is that they expected to be SERVED. The only persons they ever served were themselves.
The irony here is that military vets is one face this leopard probably has no intention of eating. Sure, he insults you constantly. But unlike immigrants or the press corps or school systems I do not think Trump has any intention of stripping away the rights or benefits of veterans.
That is little comfort to this disabled vet. I have little doubt that he has looked at my little check as something I didn't earn. Considering how he talks about veterans who died or were hurt in service to their country. I can hear him saying "I like veterans who weren't hurt". His base wants to get rid of ALL transfer payments. I can't see them destroying Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, WIC and then not setting their sights on the VA.
Well, if that happens, at least you'll be Last To Be Eaten.
But cheer up. Haven't you heard the conservative word? Eliminating that terrible socialist single-payer government run health care you have in exchange for giving you the ability to buy private insurance will drastically improve your services while lowering your costs.
Yea, because that's worked so well before...er currently. The only people who benefit from our health care system are the middle men who take money from health care to enrich themselves and provide zero advantage to the system.
Actually, not only does Dotard the Disgraced Orange Shitegibbon talk shit about us, he actually doesn't like us. We're stupid and poor so we joined the military, from his perspective. They certainly will cut us seven ways from Sunday; it's far cheaper to honor dead Vets than it is to care for the living.
He will strip away the rights and benefits of veterans, what he won’t do is strip away profits from the corporations that are tied to the military industrial complex.
The military industrial complex does not include the people in uniform. Veterans and servicemembers are only the government’s excuse to create more contracts with the corporations. And if you’ve ever lost a tool from your toolbox, you know, they’ll charge you that $500 they overpaid for it. (Remember the $500 hammer during the Clinton administration? Because the lowest bidder contract situation actually increased the actual costs of each item to ridiculous levels.)
He most certainly intends to strip benefits from veterans. There's whole sections in Project 2025 on that. If he doesn't get elected, Heritage just rebrands it "Project 2029" and tries again.
Are you kidding? He absolutely hates veterans calling them "losers and suckers!" He got sent to a military school because he was incorrigible, and they caught him throwing rocks at a baby in a playpen. He hated it there, because as a pampered little shit they made him behave and didn't treat him special. So he hates all things military as a result. They succeeded where he could not.
Regular Joe wrote, “ His comments regarding Medal of Honor recipients is impacting in Vets World, moreso than calling us "suckers" & "losers", disrespecting POW/MIAs and Gold Star Families, etc.”
To him and any other vets who might care to answer, why? Why is the Medal of Honor comment having more of an impact than all that other shit?
The one that really gets me is how he keeps hammering on about inflation and trying to blame Biden for it. Then he says he's going to enact a 100 percent tariff on ALL imports. Even if American companies don't raise their own prices in response*, we still get a lot of food and other required goods from foreign sources. Yet, his base is eating it up.
* And make no mistake, they will. We have historical data to back this up.
Yeah, I'm reminded of the "keep your government out of my ACA" meme. The US public is not economically savvy to start with, and Trump followers, probably less savvy than average. I have no doubt you are right, and that his followers simultaneously believe Trumps 100% tariff idea is just what the country needs to stick it to those foreign businesses, AND that Trump will lower prices at the supermarket by lowering inflation.
It comes through Mexico during the coldest months. I have hauled tomatoes coming across in Nogales. The there is a lot of fruit coming out of Central America. The Del Monte boats dock in Gloucester City NJ
Well, neither he nor his worshipers understand how tariffs even 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬, so there's that. The way he talks about them, he clearly thinks that they're taxes paid by the country the goods are from, rather than (in reality) by the 𝘥𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤 company importing the goods from abroad- and, therefore, by the customers here in the US.
But good luck getting a MAGAt to believe that; most of 'em still probably believe Mexico was paying for that shoddy pork-barrel wall of his.
Trump could tell them that he was intent on putting Hitler and Mussolini in his cabinet and they'd STILL eat it up, I suspect. A lot of them are there for the buzz and not for any actual MEANING.
And he failed to deliver on his signature promise. He had four years to get these things done and didn't. Anyone who thought he would should have looked at his track record as a casino operator. He's a one-trick jackass.
There have been a bunch of billboards around Madison that have photos of men with quotes about their conservatism and decision to support Harris. Evangelicals for Harris aren’t alone in this type of campaign. There is a group of Men for Harris that’s gotten a lot of traction and conservatives for Harris. Trump is losing his luster, just like the crappy gold plating he puts on everything, and folks are watching him slowly lose his mind, I think his goose is cooked. Thank you Biden for stepping down and thank you Harris for picking up the mantle and also for choosing Walz.
At work yesterday, I overheard a couple of grumpy (but basically okay) old men visitors discussing how "sad" it is what has happened to the Republican party.
Overheard: "It isn't the Republican party anymore." and murmured agreement
"I like Harris, though." "Yeah me too"
I hope this means what I hope it means. And I hope it's a conversation lots of GOP voters are having.
Nobody's disputing that Graham Sr. would vote for Trump. But you missed the point of the ad, which is to say that Trump is not a good Christian by Graham's own criteria.
It kinda beggars belief that we even need to point that out, but for some reason some evangelicals (not all) have a really hard time admitting that they are voting for an immoral ass because they care more about his policies than his lack of faith.
They've been conditioned to believe the ends justify the means when it concerns setting up Christ's godly reign on Earth. Lying, torture, murder of infidels, it's all good.
(The fact that Jesus said umpteen times that his kingdom was NOT of this world, never bothers them.)
Yes, they are consequentialist (ends justify means), it's just funny and odd how some evangelicals go to ridiculous extremes to deny that's how they reason. I mean you're really scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel if you use "I vote for Trump because he's a devout and moral Christian" to get out of the charge of using ends to justify your means.
But as I said, only some are like that. There are certainly plenty of conservatives out there who happily admit they don't care about his morality so long as he gives them the judges and legislation they want.
He's an opportunistic huckster of the worst stripe who didn't shrink from nakedly using a horrific national tragedy to promote his brand of religious tribalism. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he went on a national news show and said something to the effect of as bad as this terrible attack was, the far worse tragedy was "how many of those who died were ready to meet Jesus."
I was in a crowded room when that clip played, and you could have heard a pin drop. Until somebody yelled "you sick son of a bitch" and shocked conversations erupted all around.
“ He's an opportunistic huckster of the worst stripe who didn't shrink from nakedly using a horrific national tragedy to promote his brand of religious tribalism.”
I had to get to the last 2 words to know if you were talking about Trump or Frankie. 😀
I welcome anyone who will vote for Harris whatever their reasons. We can argue later and you best believe I will do so. I worry a bit more now about down ballot races since a GOP majority Congress would muddy up any progressive policies.
I have not seen data but I vaguely recall 538, when it was independent, talking about how quite a surprising number of independents 'switch hit' downballot. IOW if they vote Dem for President, they vote GOP for House and Senate, but they also do the reverse: when they vote GOP for President, they vote Dem for House and Senate. To keep the government moderate, I guess...but unlike parliamentary systems, instead of leading to the two biggest parties reaching some agreement on how portfolios will be divvied up, in the US system it more often just leads to gridlock and no legislation being passed.
Until Republicans began to simply obstruct everything a Democrat proposed just on principle, it seems like a useful strategy. Now, of course, instead of passing the important legislation, it prevents all legislation.
"The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris. They even developed a political ad trying to use my father [Billy Graham's] image. They are trying to mislead people."
Hey, Frankie: Your beloved Donald Trump posted AI fakes on his laughably titled "Truth Social" implying that Taylor Swift endorsed him. This despite the fact that Swift has long condemned Trump. Trump hates her and has disparaged her, but he also knows of her popularity and support so he thinks nothing of lying and trying to mislead people.
Those AIs are obvious fakes and I certainly hope that Taylor and her team sue Trump out of his lifts. That meme of Trump in front of the church holding a bible? Trump is a fake through and through.
Look in the mirror, Frankie baby. Evangelicals and the hardline right have been using anything and everything they can to promote their grotesque Orange Messiah since 2016. They have lied and misled people every step of the way and the permission slips they have given their drones to be their very worst selves in the culture wars have caused harm, even death, to other people along the way. One need look no further than the women who have needlessly died in the aftermath of Roe's overturn, the unfortunates who ended up on the wrong end of St. Kyle's automatic weapon, or the police officers and civilians who died Jan 6. That is far from a complete list.
While you have every right to control and limit the use of your father's image in ads, you do not have the right to continue the lies of your party. That you continue to do so is very telling as to your character.
"Evangelicals for Harris" is an abbreviated form of the group's name. The full name is:
Loony, Superstitious Believers Of Barbaric Fairy Tales Otherwise Known As Evangelicals Who Have Just Barely Enough Humanity Left To Be So Embarrassed By The Cruelty, Bigotry, Vulgarity, Hypocrisy, And Violence Of Trump That They Are For Harris. (LSBOBFTOKAEWHJBEHLTBSEBTCBVHAVOTTTAFH)
They have my tentative, provisional, and conditional support.
Finally, a small group of evangelicals have opened their eyes to the fact that, like the republicans' 'deeply held conservative values', most of what got preached from the pulpits of their churches was a lie. A hustle. A grift. A way to live the lifestyles of the rich and famous without holding a real job.
If a few evangelicals are sincere in backing VP Harris, I say, 'welcome to the fight.' But I also say, 'What the hell took you so long?'
While this is good news for the Presidential election, I'd almost rather these groups stay home, because while they're willing to 'hold their noses' and vote for Harris, most of them are still going to vote Republican down-ballot. I fear we will end up with President Harris and McConnell's Senate.
I wonder how many of these evangelicals for Trump are women rather than men. For obvious reasons – his misogyny, his sexual assaults and so on. I've heard a few of them excuse it, and a couple – God help us – say that he could grab them by the .... But you'd think that normal Christian women would be horrified. Christian men perhaps less so because they secretly admire it.
Shall I again post the article from The Atlantic detailing how Trump secretly mocked his own fanatigelical supporters back when he was in the White House?
Or some quotes from back before he got into politics, saying that if he ever ran for office he'd run as a Republican because their voters are more gullible?
Well if evangelicals are analogous to the military vets that Tinker and Regular Joe talk about further down the thread, it may take four different instances of Trump insulting and denigrating them (...in public...) before they actually consider voting differently.
Few things ever demonstrated the disconnect between religion and morality quite like the evangelicals pledging their unconditional love for the most grotesquely immoral President in our history. I classify evangelicals as delusional by definition, and their expectation Donald Trump would reward their misguided loyalty by allowing them to participate in government was as delusional as it gets. Trump neither shares his toys nor plays well with others. Donald Trump played the preachers for the fools they are.
I’m not sure they are ‘fools’ so much as people who have been taught from the get go to ignore and deny anything which is at odds with their worldview. Look at their deeply held religious belief that the bible is ‘inerrant’. Just reading it from cover to cover shows up plenty of errors, contradictory statements, and plenty of statements by Jeebus that are woke. They are locked into a rigid thought process which is mean and being mean people, they are totally onboard with. This still makes them dangerous in a pluralistic democracy. And if we win in November, I think the real fireworks will start.
People who cannot or will not think for themselves qualify as fools in my book.
People who will not think for themselves are fools. They know better, but still refuse to give up their favorite fairy tales. Those who cannot think for themselves are not fools, but to be pitied. They can be gently taught. It is only when they willfully reject that instruction that they become fools.
Not everyone can escape brainwashing.
I have a question for you. Do you eat snails ?
I'm not sure why you'd ask about snails.
If we're talking about escaping brainwashing and food choices, I became a vegetarian as an adult.
It's not a meat more associated with France, albeit mine is not the only country to eat them. It was about how we are initially shaped by our culture but some outgrow it. For example, I don't like much French cuisine, too bland for my taste. I prefer a good tteokbokki* or a green curry.
PS ; I am vegan.
*NOGODZ, couché ! 😁
Haven't seen you in awhile.
I can't imagine why you would ask that question. ;)
I hesitated with frogs and horses :)
Both are excellent if prepared properly.
Love me some escargot. 😁
Try earing them without sauce or garlic butter.
Let me know your opinion then 😁
They taste like dirt.
Still love 'em!
Many, in fact I would dare say that most, atheists and agnostics today are people who were taught 'from the get go' a load of nonsense when they were too young to think logically and rationally. A lot of us grew out of it. But there are plenty of people who never grew up emotionally or psychologically and need a daddy figure to pat them on the head and tell them fairy stories. It's not an accident that most evangelical leaders are men, and the majority are white.
But the truth behind the mask is this: evangelical christianity was never about religion. It was about who to hate, who to other, who to put down to make yourself feel big, and whose pain to relish like sexual pleasure. The reason evangelicals crave the rapture isn't because they long to be united with their Jesus. It's so they can watch all those nonbelievers suffer, so they can enjoy the agony of people they've wanted desperately to believe weren't as good as they are.
I grew out of it because of the absolutely vile, lying hypocrites that call themselves Xtians while condemning good people outside the bubble. In fact on another blog I read, they were surprised (yes surprised) when they discovered a big lies at Answers in Genesis.
I raised as a Christian, but never saw any conflict between religion and science. After I got my degree in Geology in the 1970s, i came out into a world were the Xtian right was beginning its attack science and science education. All the lies I heard and saw turned my stomach. It obviously did not matter how much evidence there was for evolution and the total lack of evidence for creationism. It did not matter how many times a person (usually a white man) had been told. It did not matter how many times they lost in court.
I tell people I did not become an atheist because of science, i became an atheist because of christians.
Similar story here, but it was the vile behavior and venom spewed by the Westboro Baptist Church that started me on the road to disbelief. Once I was attuned to that, I began noticing it everywhere.
I get where you're coming from, but I myself like to characterize my attitude on the subject as being FOR reason and reality rather than AGAINST superstition and fairy tales.
I'll leave it to others to say that they're against me and my ideas, because I'd rather be the standard of comparison than the person on the outside commenting on the default position.
The reality of rapture:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e72729a2b7f72b3ba86b91ddcfc64c77de90404f7c3cde16a093076c04b62f76.jpg
Always a favorite.
This is my favorite I love how they made it look like a Chick tract.
Damn, you absolutely nailed it, patriarchal religion is about power and money.
Well put!
𝐵𝑦 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑢𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝐸𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝐻𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡, 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜: 𝑣𝑜𝑡𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎 𝐷𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑡.
And THAT is a big deal in the current political environment. I'm not sure it's all that surprising, though, considering the emergence of The Lincoln Project out of the Republican party and movements like Republicans for Harris. I think it's one more indicator that Trump's shtick has finally worn out its welcome with many on the right, evangelicals included, and while there will continue to be the hardcore Trumpists who won't give up, judging by the dwindling crowds at Trump rallies, their numbers are dropping as well.
Good news from where I sit.
I'm a bit cynical; I think one reason there is less support for Trump this time around is because his last four years was not that impressive even by conservative standards. He succeeded in stacking the courts and handing out tax deductions, yes. But he also had a lot of policies that worked against traditional conservative economic interests.
- He failed to get rid of ACA, i.e. deregulate the medical insurance industry.
-He didn't give the private sector any government handouts for infrastructure development, like he promised.
-His anti-immigration policies make labor more expensive
-His nativist pro-trade barrier policies make goods and international trade more expensive
-His non-interventionist policies make the military industrial complex less profitable.
-His anti-EU and anti-NATO stance may not have had much effect, but was probably nevertheless alarming to folks in the international trade business.
TL:DR, Trump is not a trade neo-liberal, which the GOP has been since Reagan,. That wasn't apparent the first time around, but it is now, so I expect there's a lot of business conservatives that may have soured on him.
His comments regarding Medal of Honor recipients is impacting in Vets World, moreso than calling us "suckers" & "losers", disrespecting POW/MIAs and Gold Star Families, etc.
He has always disrespected us. I thought his attack on John McCain's service was the death-knell for his campaign. But his base just said "whew there is a real man!"
If Trump had ever put on the uniform, he'd have been the subject of a "blanket party" by his fellow recruits. If he deployed to Vietnam as an officer, he's have been fragged by his own men. Or if he went as a grunt, his fellow grunts would have done it.
Never would have happened. His father threatened to disown Donnie if he ever actually went into military service. My take on both of them is that they expected to be SERVED. The only persons they ever served were themselves.
Just like donOLD threatened to disown his children.
https://mediachomp.com/xcom-chimera-squad-snake-titties-comic/
“It accidentally fired.”
“Three times??”
That should have been the final straw, even for the evangelicals who consider themselves patriotic and pro-military.
Well, I guess "fourth insults the charm", eh?
The irony here is that military vets is one face this leopard probably has no intention of eating. Sure, he insults you constantly. But unlike immigrants or the press corps or school systems I do not think Trump has any intention of stripping away the rights or benefits of veterans.
That is little comfort to this disabled vet. I have little doubt that he has looked at my little check as something I didn't earn. Considering how he talks about veterans who died or were hurt in service to their country. I can hear him saying "I like veterans who weren't hurt". His base wants to get rid of ALL transfer payments. I can't see them destroying Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, WIC and then not setting their sights on the VA.
Well, if that happens, at least you'll be Last To Be Eaten.
But cheer up. Haven't you heard the conservative word? Eliminating that terrible socialist single-payer government run health care you have in exchange for giving you the ability to buy private insurance will drastically improve your services while lowering your costs.
Yea, because that's worked so well before...er currently. The only people who benefit from our health care system are the middle men who take money from health care to enrich themselves and provide zero advantage to the system.
Typo alert: you surely meant fuck our services and increasing our cost. 🙂
He HAS said that, IIRC…
Actually, not only does Dotard the Disgraced Orange Shitegibbon talk shit about us, he actually doesn't like us. We're stupid and poor so we joined the military, from his perspective. They certainly will cut us seven ways from Sunday; it's far cheaper to honor dead Vets than it is to care for the living.
He will strip away the rights and benefits of veterans, what he won’t do is strip away profits from the corporations that are tied to the military industrial complex.
The military industrial complex does not include the people in uniform. Veterans and servicemembers are only the government’s excuse to create more contracts with the corporations. And if you’ve ever lost a tool from your toolbox, you know, they’ll charge you that $500 they overpaid for it. (Remember the $500 hammer during the Clinton administration? Because the lowest bidder contract situation actually increased the actual costs of each item to ridiculous levels.)
https://www.govexec.com/federal-news/1998/12/the-myth-of-the-600-hammer/5271/
He most certainly intends to strip benefits from veterans. There's whole sections in Project 2025 on that. If he doesn't get elected, Heritage just rebrands it "Project 2029" and tries again.
Those traitors can never be allowed to hold power ever again.
And they will be a lot more careful about not letting it get leaked to the public. It will be "Stealth Project 2029."
James from Wonkette, nice to see you here!
Hi, Ms. Natalie!
I frequently read Mr. Mehta's blog but rarely comment.
Are you kidding? He absolutely hates veterans calling them "losers and suckers!" He got sent to a military school because he was incorrigible, and they caught him throwing rocks at a baby in a playpen. He hated it there, because as a pampered little shit they made him behave and didn't treat him special. So he hates all things military as a result. They succeeded where he could not.
He's not fit to lick the dust from my combat boots.
No, he is not, but that might be his kink. If Putin was wearing the boots I mean.
Regular Joe wrote, “ His comments regarding Medal of Honor recipients is impacting in Vets World, moreso than calling us "suckers" & "losers", disrespecting POW/MIAs and Gold Star Families, etc.”
To him and any other vets who might care to answer, why? Why is the Medal of Honor comment having more of an impact than all that other shit?
I suspect it's the accumulation of the shit, coupled with what that award means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor
Also it is close to the election, the rest of his effluent gets forgotten as time goes by.
The one that really gets me is how he keeps hammering on about inflation and trying to blame Biden for it. Then he says he's going to enact a 100 percent tariff on ALL imports. Even if American companies don't raise their own prices in response*, we still get a lot of food and other required goods from foreign sources. Yet, his base is eating it up.
* And make no mistake, they will. We have historical data to back this up.
Yeah, I'm reminded of the "keep your government out of my ACA" meme. The US public is not economically savvy to start with, and Trump followers, probably less savvy than average. I have no doubt you are right, and that his followers simultaneously believe Trumps 100% tariff idea is just what the country needs to stick it to those foreign businesses, AND that Trump will lower prices at the supermarket by lowering inflation.
The produce section would be a sad and lonely place during the winter if it weren't for imports.
You mean like in the "good ole days:?
Moch of our produce comes from Cali, Florida, etc.
It comes through Mexico during the coldest months. I have hauled tomatoes coming across in Nogales. The there is a lot of fruit coming out of Central America. The Del Monte boats dock in Gloucester City NJ
Hey! We have winter crops.
Well, neither he nor his worshipers understand how tariffs even 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬, so there's that. The way he talks about them, he clearly thinks that they're taxes paid by the country the goods are from, rather than (in reality) by the 𝘥𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤 company importing the goods from abroad- and, therefore, by the customers here in the US.
But good luck getting a MAGAt to believe that; most of 'em still probably believe Mexico was paying for that shoddy pork-barrel wall of his.
Trump could tell them that he was intent on putting Hitler and Mussolini in his cabinet and they'd STILL eat it up, I suspect. A lot of them are there for the buzz and not for any actual MEANING.
He has a long history of throwing spaghetti. And more recently ketchup.
And he failed to deliver on his signature promise. He had four years to get these things done and didn't. Anyone who thought he would should have looked at his track record as a casino operator. He's a one-trick jackass.
One trick jackass!! 😂 Stealing this!
I think most of the trump attendees are hawking trump merchandise like the spunk cups.
There have been a bunch of billboards around Madison that have photos of men with quotes about their conservatism and decision to support Harris. Evangelicals for Harris aren’t alone in this type of campaign. There is a group of Men for Harris that’s gotten a lot of traction and conservatives for Harris. Trump is losing his luster, just like the crappy gold plating he puts on everything, and folks are watching him slowly lose his mind, I think his goose is cooked. Thank you Biden for stepping down and thank you Harris for picking up the mantle and also for choosing Walz.
At work yesterday, I overheard a couple of grumpy (but basically okay) old men visitors discussing how "sad" it is what has happened to the Republican party.
Overheard: "It isn't the Republican party anymore." and murmured agreement
"I like Harris, though." "Yeah me too"
I hope this means what I hope it means. And I hope it's a conversation lots of GOP voters are having.
A few months ago my father told me he didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left him.
Former Governor and congress critter Charlie Crist said the same thing.
He was too good for them anyway.
Fact check: True.
❤️Thank you for sharing that!
From your lips to the IPU's invisible, pink ears.
𝑀𝑎𝑦𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑚𝑦 𝑓𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑣𝑎𝑙𝑢𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑃𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡 [𝐷𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑑 𝑇𝑟𝑢𝑚𝑝] 𝑖𝑛 2016, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑓 ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦, 𝑚𝑦 𝑓𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟’𝑠 𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑑.
Nobody's disputing that Graham Sr. would vote for Trump. But you missed the point of the ad, which is to say that Trump is not a good Christian by Graham's own criteria.
It kinda beggars belief that we even need to point that out, but for some reason some evangelicals (not all) have a really hard time admitting that they are voting for an immoral ass because they care more about his policies than his lack of faith.
They've been conditioned to believe the ends justify the means when it concerns setting up Christ's godly reign on Earth. Lying, torture, murder of infidels, it's all good.
(The fact that Jesus said umpteen times that his kingdom was NOT of this world, never bothers them.)
Yes, they are consequentialist (ends justify means), it's just funny and odd how some evangelicals go to ridiculous extremes to deny that's how they reason. I mean you're really scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel if you use "I vote for Trump because he's a devout and moral Christian" to get out of the charge of using ends to justify your means.
But as I said, only some are like that. There are certainly plenty of conservatives out there who happily admit they don't care about his morality so long as he gives them the judges and legislation they want.
The ability to ignore the real argument and substitute a straw man is a specialty of the religious right.
It would have to be given their "how to" manual.
They have a tolerance for cognitive dissonance that regular readers here could not put up with.
They lack the cognitive aspect to have any dissononce.
It serves them to misrepresent what the ad was saying, Franky boy knows exactly what the ad’s message was.
He's an opportunistic huckster of the worst stripe who didn't shrink from nakedly using a horrific national tragedy to promote his brand of religious tribalism. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he went on a national news show and said something to the effect of as bad as this terrible attack was, the far worse tragedy was "how many of those who died were ready to meet Jesus."
I was in a crowded room when that clip played, and you could have heard a pin drop. Until somebody yelled "you sick son of a bitch" and shocked conversations erupted all around.
“ He's an opportunistic huckster of the worst stripe who didn't shrink from nakedly using a horrific national tragedy to promote his brand of religious tribalism.”
I had to get to the last 2 words to know if you were talking about Trump or Frankie. 😀
I guess they do have a lot in common. 😈*
*The closest I could find to an evil smile.
Grifters know who has "game".
And power for them.
The enemy of my enemy... is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less.
But it's always nice to see the leopards eating each other instead of chomping on the rest of us.
They'll vote gazelle against the old, weak, sick leopard, but down-ballot, it's leopards all the way down.
By their fruits you will know them.
On the one side of the debate, you have Jimmy Carter. On the other, Donald Trump.
Tell me, Evangelicals, which man more resembles the Jesus of your gospels?
So their moral decay was complete in the 70s when they vilified Carter. They’ve always been this bad.
Their moral decay was complete by 400, once they got a real taste for power.
More like hours after they started in the first place.
🎯Yes and Obama was a christian, and Hillary a life-long Methodist. No one on our side ever gets recognized as an actual follower of the J-dude.
I welcome anyone who will vote for Harris whatever their reasons. We can argue later and you best believe I will do so. I worry a bit more now about down ballot races since a GOP majority Congress would muddy up any progressive policies.
I have not seen data but I vaguely recall 538, when it was independent, talking about how quite a surprising number of independents 'switch hit' downballot. IOW if they vote Dem for President, they vote GOP for House and Senate, but they also do the reverse: when they vote GOP for President, they vote Dem for House and Senate. To keep the government moderate, I guess...but unlike parliamentary systems, instead of leading to the two biggest parties reaching some agreement on how portfolios will be divvied up, in the US system it more often just leads to gridlock and no legislation being passed.
Until Republicans began to simply obstruct everything a Democrat proposed just on principle, it seems like a useful strategy. Now, of course, instead of passing the important legislation, it prevents all legislation.
The people that do that are stupid to think things through.
Ever so much this^^^
"The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris. They even developed a political ad trying to use my father [Billy Graham's] image. They are trying to mislead people."
Hey, Frankie: Your beloved Donald Trump posted AI fakes on his laughably titled "Truth Social" implying that Taylor Swift endorsed him. This despite the fact that Swift has long condemned Trump. Trump hates her and has disparaged her, but he also knows of her popularity and support so he thinks nothing of lying and trying to mislead people.
Those AIs are obvious fakes and I certainly hope that Taylor and her team sue Trump out of his lifts. That meme of Trump in front of the church holding a bible? Trump is a fake through and through.
Look in the mirror, Frankie baby. Evangelicals and the hardline right have been using anything and everything they can to promote their grotesque Orange Messiah since 2016. They have lied and misled people every step of the way and the permission slips they have given their drones to be their very worst selves in the culture wars have caused harm, even death, to other people along the way. One need look no further than the women who have needlessly died in the aftermath of Roe's overturn, the unfortunates who ended up on the wrong end of St. Kyle's automatic weapon, or the police officers and civilians who died Jan 6. That is far from a complete list.
While you have every right to control and limit the use of your father's image in ads, you do not have the right to continue the lies of your party. That you continue to do so is very telling as to your character.
I bet his kid told him to do that.
"Not a single white evangelical church in America would ever allow this guy to be their pastor if they wanted to be taken seriously, "
I wouldn't be so sure. turpins, duggars, pearls... The abuse of women and children is baked into their culture.
"If Kamala Harris can put a dent in that 80%,"
"That plan even has the approval of Billy Graham’s granddaughter, Jerushah Duford,"
1 Timothy 11-12.
Trump was inspired by the Bible he stole from the hotel where he banged Stormy Daniels.
"Evangelicals for Harris" is an abbreviated form of the group's name. The full name is:
Loony, Superstitious Believers Of Barbaric Fairy Tales Otherwise Known As Evangelicals Who Have Just Barely Enough Humanity Left To Be So Embarrassed By The Cruelty, Bigotry, Vulgarity, Hypocrisy, And Violence Of Trump That They Are For Harris. (LSBOBFTOKAEWHJBEHLTBSEBTCBVHAVOTTTAFH)
They have my tentative, provisional, and conditional support.
That initialism looks like a Welsh word. :)
And in fact, it is! That word means "tree stump."
:) /s.
Norwegian?
Beautiful plumage!
Thai?
Laotian.
No, absolutely not a Norwegian word. But we have lots of common words like summer=sommer and winter=vinter. Not much differencies.
Finally, a small group of evangelicals have opened their eyes to the fact that, like the republicans' 'deeply held conservative values', most of what got preached from the pulpits of their churches was a lie. A hustle. A grift. A way to live the lifestyles of the rich and famous without holding a real job.
If a few evangelicals are sincere in backing VP Harris, I say, 'welcome to the fight.' But I also say, 'What the hell took you so long?'
While this is good news for the Presidential election, I'd almost rather these groups stay home, because while they're willing to 'hold their noses' and vote for Harris, most of them are still going to vote Republican down-ballot. I fear we will end up with President Harris and McConnell's Senate.
I wonder how many of these evangelicals for Trump are women rather than men. For obvious reasons – his misogyny, his sexual assaults and so on. I've heard a few of them excuse it, and a couple – God help us – say that he could grab them by the .... But you'd think that normal Christian women would be horrified. Christian men perhaps less so because they secretly admire it.
Charitably speaking, the critics argue that Evangelicals for Harris is really just anti-Trump, not pro-Harris,
I'm OK with that!
Shall I again post the article from The Atlantic detailing how Trump secretly mocked his own fanatigelical supporters back when he was in the White House?
Or some quotes from back before he got into politics, saying that if he ever ran for office he'd run as a Republican because their voters are more gullible?
Well if evangelicals are analogous to the military vets that Tinker and Regular Joe talk about further down the thread, it may take four different instances of Trump insulting and denigrating them (...in public...) before they actually consider voting differently.