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NOGODZ20's avatar

These days, "pastor" means either child molester or child molester yet to be caught.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Or big mouth spouting inanities.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

That, too.

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Old Man Shadow's avatar

“This bill, if enacted, would criminalize Christianity itself.”

Oh, really?

It would require you to stop believing in the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the dead? It would force you to renounce the apostle's creed? To declare that the incarnation was a lie? It would outlaw feeding the poor, clothing the naked, housing the homeless, or healing the sick?

No?

Oh... it would require you to respect other people that you view as non-human or lesser than your white Christian selves...

Oh, yes, yes, such persecution. Bless your hearts.

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oraxx's avatar

If you want to see what genuine persecution looks like . . . hand power to the preachers.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

It would criminalise his faith the same way the sadly defunct Roe vs Wade would force him to have an abortion.

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Old Man Shadow's avatar

I studied and trained to be a pastor.

But you are correct in the sense that knowing what I know, I have a sense of humility and do not speak dogmatically nor do I have tolerance for those that do.

One of the messages of the Law, the Prophets, and Christ is how we love others showd one's love for God.

You may, of course, disagree and fight very strongly to be a miserable, angry bigot, but the decent people among humanity will continue to fight that hatred.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

It's baaaack.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Back like a dog to it's own vomit.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“…you were fearfully and wonderfully made as a man in the image by the one true God of the universe who loves you, and He does not make mistakes.”

Why is fearfully in there? What does God have to fear? If God doesn’t make mistakes, wouldn’t He also not be fearful? And if he was fearful, would that not open up an opportunity to make a mistake?

And can’t we look at trans people being made intentionally transgender? Maybe he didn’t make a mistake, and Brianna was born with male genitalia but is indeed not male. Trans people existing and God being perfect are not mutually exclusive if you aren’t out to make other people suffer for fun and profit.

Anyway, God is not real, trans people are and they deserve basic human rights, decency, and respect. His is not an excuse to be shitty to other people or lie about legislation.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

". . . He does not make mistakes.”

The Flood™ proves he does.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Right there in Genesis 6:6. YHVH regrets making humans. An admission of a mistake made.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Adam and Yv... Eve, Sodom and Gomorrhah, Cain and Abel, the third son of Noah...

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Tower of Babble.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Babel showed a god terrified of united humans speaking a single language and how they could accomplish anything.

So naturally, he divided and conquered them by giving them all different languages.

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cdbunch's avatar

A god that gives his creations free-will and intelligence and then freaks out when they use them.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

David and several others, mythical or real, Jewish kings.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

He made the core of the planet out of the one metal he's weak against, then made his showpiece creation's blood-oxygen cycle dependent on it, too.

He doesn't just make mistakes... he makes 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥 mistakes.

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Claudia's avatar

Let me (slightly) edit your last paragraph: Even if god were real, trans people deserve basic human rights, decency and respect. God is not an excuse to be shitty to other people.

(Re the lying - clearly the 'thou shalt not lie' is missing in their list of commandments.)

Oh - there's something else which trans people deserve: A place to pee. And poo. In peace.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

Because they use fear and shame to deactivate their followers' frontal lobes and create trauma bonds so they will never stop tithing 10% of their income. I'm serious. "Fear god" is like a sleeper agent code or something.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

That is a great observation, we know at the core, organized religion is about money, and power.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

And Yahweh has made more mistakes, as documented by the bible, than I can hope to guess at. He is at minimum inept and clueless about his own creation, and the solutions he attempts to apply typically do more harm than good.

Some creator! 😝

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Sko Hayes's avatar

This is an excellent TikTok on the breakdown of God's rather poor and inadequate reasoning against Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.

https://www.tiktok.com/@generationofrationale/video/7510686195962367278?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7495791305978627627

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Joe King's avatar

It wasn't poor and inadequate reasoning. It was deliberate and intentional malice.

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Kay-El's avatar

That was brilliant

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oraxx's avatar

The idea of an all-powerful God collapses in on itself upon being subjected to rational questions. Like, 'How can an all powerful God want anything?'

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oraxx's avatar

Left up to pastors and faith leaders, the steam engine would be a distant dream. Every bit of progress the human race has ever made on every front was achieved by overcoming these people. I think what they're really upset about is what they see as an erosion of their expectation of Christian privilege. They are professional victims who love celebrating their imaginary victimization far more than anything Jesus supposedly said.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Worse, every medical advancement that alleviated suffering or death would be equally non-existent or banned from use, as they supposedly act against the Will of God™. Of course, they never think of that ... until they're the ones fighting anything from a summer cold to COVID-19.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

And some of 'em 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 won't get their heads out of their superstitious asses when they're literally dying from the thing they don't believe in.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

^^^^Ever so much this.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Unwanted by regressive Neanderthals.

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oraxx's avatar

His comment was gone before I had the chance to respond to him. I never met a religious person who did not see their particular faith as the solution to all the world's problems.

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cdbunch's avatar

Who knew software engineering was a faith? :)

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oraxx's avatar

Must have something to do with Scientology. ;)

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cdbunch's avatar

It is not a scam, nor is AI anywhere near ready to obviate it.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

So, I have read the bible several times and I cannot say that I ever saw Trans people called out in it - anywhere. I did notice Matthew 25:40, though: "Whatever you do to the least of these, you have done to me." I am still awaiting the first edition of the NRRV - the New Revised Rethuglican Version.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

No mentioning of transgenders found anywhere in the Bible. That's for sure.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

This is what they trot out:

Genesis 1:27 (KJV)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It never occurs to them that gawd created some males in female bodies and some females in male bodies.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

But if God is a He, then women are not made in His image. Or is God neither man nor woman? That would make God non-binary and the only people who are made in the image of God the non-binary folks and everyone else are going to hell or whatever. Or if God changes as he pleases then transgender people and gender fluid people are the most godlike.

Or, and hear me out, God doesn’t exist except as an excuse for bigots to bigot and to con folks for power and money.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Adendum: Or that their god intentionally creates transgender people.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Based on his characterization in their holy book, he's 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 the kind of asshole who'd stick someone in the wrong body just to fuck with them. He created foreskins just so he could order his chosen people to chop off parts of their own dicks, after all.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

And lots and lots of Gay and Bi people.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Can confirm!

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Joe King's avatar

Image of God nonsense that is doing double duty these days: it justifies (to them) their transphobia as well as the evolution denial they have had for centuries.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Don’t forget their misogyny. Image of God, god is male, therefore women are not truly images of god and not really human.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Well of course - women are incubators and household slaves. Ain't patriarchy grand?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Nor the vagaries that occur DESPITE the simplistic XX - XY dichotomy that those bigots love to point to.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

It also implies that their god itself if intersex....

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ericc's avatar

Biological sex has pretty much zero to do with trans rights.

I mean, even Paul started out as Saul. Appellation has really nothing to do with genitalia.

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Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

Or gender presentation. Just a few days ago, a guy who'd been known all his life as Robert stood on a public balcony in front of thousands of people and announced that his name was now Leo (followed by some archaic numbers.) He was wearing a dress while he did this. He and the organization he heads don't think that trans people are real or that women are people. /s

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

You are brilliant!

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Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

If you don't take the RCC seriously, the jokes write themselves. (Caveat: they are too fucking powerful *not* to take seriously...)

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Joe King's avatar

Both sex and gender are a spectrum and not a strict binary. These bigots never learned that, and when presented with the actual evidence, they respond with "but muh buy-bull sez!"

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I think the more important point is that it's all just naturalistic fallacy reasoning. We humans can make up any social rules we want. Genes, development etc. might inform them, but they never dictate them. We could (and sometimes do) demarcate sports participation by weight, or demarcate bathroom use by hair color, or jail type by crime (again, we somewhat already do that), or insist names end with an "i" for righties and a "z" for lefties. Two of those are silly, but the point is that there's no logical way to derive 'ought' from 'is.' But note this swings both ways - it is just as fallacious to reason from "it's a spectrum" to a social rule as it is to reason from "it's a binary" to a social rule. Like it or not, our social rules are up for *social* discussion and decision about the way we want to treat each other. That discussion cannot be closed off and cannot be won (either conservatively or progressively) by stating some fact of nature.

Honestly, I often wonder why people even go there. Does it really require an understanding of biology to realize it's a jerk move to constantly call someone Robert after they've told you "call me Kim." Or to realize it's a jerk move to try and stop someone from using the bathroom when they really need to go, regardless of what symbol is on the door.

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Quote: "Does it really require an understanding of biology to realize it's a jerk move to constantly call someone Robert after they've told you "call me Kim." Or to realize it's a jerk move to try and stop someone from using the bathroom when they really need to go, regardless of what symbol is on the door."

This!

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

When they were a recognised social class* in several Middle East and North African cultures. The Jews elites deported to Babylone who later compiled the Old Testament couldn't not know.

*Gays and/or trans people may have been miscaracterised as "eunuchs" until recently. Some Ancient Egypt mummies didn't help, they were thought to be eunuchs too when they were ritually emasculated after their death.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

I remember parts about rich people not going through needles' eyes and blessing the poor and that kind of shit. "Woke Jesus"!

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Stephen Brady's avatar

None of that crap in the NRRV. The new and improved Jeebus has an AK-47.

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BL Foster's avatar

I wish I could say he was grossly misinformed. I cannot, he is lying. Isn’t lying supposed to be called out as sin? Making one not trustworthy, so clearly unethical, and completely suspect in all matters? As a former evangelical pastor I’m shocked 😳 (not)! 🤷🏻‍♀️ 🤦🏻‍♀️

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oraxx's avatar

As near as I can tell, lying for Jesus is acceptable. /s

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Joe King's avatar

No need for the sarcasm tag. They actually believe that.

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dammit barry's avatar

#OTD we remember the birthday of Gilbert Baker, born in 1951.

An LGBTQ+ rights activist, artist and visionary, Baker designed the rainbow Pride flag, now a global symbol of unity, visibility and love.

Rest in power, Gilbert Baker. Your legacy continues to wave around the world. #TheMarchContinues 🏳️‍🌈

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cdbunch's avatar

That's seems like a cue to repost something for Pride Month that I wish I had posted yesterday.

https://www.zentaur.org/Pride/ProudToBeYou.gif

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Was he botn on May 6th ?

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Botn? ... sounds painful. 😇

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

It is, when one came from an asshole (DM legal mother).

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Tinker's avatar

Interesting to me how the fascists can file suit claiming they are harmed by a law when they are not, but when an average citizen files suit against the fascists about the actual harm they are doing to us, it's "you have no standing!"

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𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦, 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑐𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛, 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑-𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛, 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑑𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛'𝑡 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑'𝑠 𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.

Nope. The primary reason these bigots would "lose custody" is when they put their own kids on the street for being who they are.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

They don’t seem to care that they lose their “god-given children” when they send them to the religious behavior camps, abuse them for Jesus, or kick them out for not being the perfect little possessions the parents expect of them. How many religious “leaders” have adult children that no longer speak to them and/or speak out about the many abuses they endured or the horrific ways the “leaders” lie, cheat, and steal from their congregations?

No, they are only concerned about losing their access to abuse and control their children as their owners.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Well, gee. We have pastors claiming to have violated a law which they haven't, likely in a move to either rabble-rouse their congregations or insist that they are now liable to be arrested, in yet another attempt to claim [all together now, gang]: PERSECUTION!!! As Hemant himself as stated, they are far less scofflaws than they are assholes with zero empathy and as much compassion or understanding of just what it is to be trans. Wisely, secular law officials haven't taken the bait.

So ultimately, what Pastor Goble is doing amounts to little more than a bunch of sound and fury, signifying nothing ... or damned little. Now why do I get the feeling that that's what he does at the pulpit most if the time?

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Sko Hayes's avatar

I've noted before that these guys all want to be martyrs, except for the pesky dying part.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Never mind dying. They want to be martyrs without being inconvenienced.

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Joe King's avatar

Their idea is martyr = someone else disagrees with you.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Bingo.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

He's lying his little ass off, he seems to be a professional liar.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Of course they're lying. Their job depends on it. Their religion is based on lies.

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Boreal's avatar

Faith-based schools= pedophile grooming centers

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NOGODZ20's avatar

And they don't hire drag queens.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Quel absolu manque de goût et de classe.

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vibing.'s avatar

*looks for job listings in colorado*

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Sko Hayes's avatar

Its a great state if you love the outdoors. So pretty, so many places to visit! Housing is expensive too, so be prepared!

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vibing.'s avatar

I love hiking so it defintiely appeals on a ton of levels, though the altitude is a bit intimidating!

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Sko Hayes's avatar

First concert I ever went to was John Denver. :)

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Sko Hayes's avatar

It takes a little getting used to, but it's worth it. But there are tons of places to hike where the altitude won't bother you at all (it's the hills the takes the breath out of you!).

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Whitney's avatar

Dear Christians: Not everything is about you, no matter how much you want it to be or how often you lie about it. Come back to reality soon, okay?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I'll say it again: Do NOT Hold Your Breath!

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dammit barry's avatar

Reality is VERBOTEN in their superstition

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

OT - Would have posted this yesterday, if I hadn't taken the day off because I didn't think there would be a new one 😒

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐆𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞

𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘢 𝘜.𝘚. 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘮𝘰𝘤𝘬𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘥𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘔𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘪𝘥, 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘴; 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘢 𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘯 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘥𝘦𝘮𝘰𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘺’𝘴 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘱𝘴𝘦.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/the-death-of-empathy-in-american

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dammit barry's avatar

As religions die, we see the nuttiest of the nuts crawl out from under the rocks. We see them screaming out the worst, most violent parts of the religious nuttery. Today we see them trying to salvage hatred of anyone they consider "other." They show us what has always been true of their superstition, but held in check by huge number of moderates.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Christianity isn't the only death cult in this country. We can add the GQP to that.

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dammit barry's avatar

ALL because of jesus, allah, yayway and other gods.

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John Smith's avatar

Religion, the destroyer of humanity!!!!!!

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dammit barry's avatar

Stolen and reposted.

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cdbunch's avatar

"gender-confused pronouns" So what? Is it that hard to be respectful to people and call them by the names and pronouns they ask for? Whatever their reasons.

And what the hell does fearfully made mean? Your god doesn't own me. He gave me free-will, supposedly, he has no place complaining how I use it unless I'm hurting other people. But he seems silent on that subject.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yes, for assholes it is incredibly hard to be a decent, respectful, person who calls people by whatever they wish to be called.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

We are under no obligation to allow a child molester accomplice to judge us.

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John Smith's avatar

Nor I am under no obligation to respect or follow your religious delusions!

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