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Joe King's avatar

Bigoted Christians ostracize bigoted Christian for being insufficiently bigoted. In other words, there is no hate like Christian love.

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Jarred Harris's avatar

That's what gets me. Dude will be lionized by some LGBTQIA+ people and some of our allies, but the reality is that he's still a bigot. I mean, he's not even recommending the woman attend her grandson's wedding ceremony because she loves him. It's all about "maintaining her witness." If I was the grandson, granny wouldn't be welcome anyway. Not with an attitude like that.

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Sean's avatar

I read a story by young woman who was a lesbian. Everyone in her family knew, except Grandma, who was very vocal about her dislike of LGBTQ people. Everyone was careful around Grandma not to out her. As she grew, her grandmother was becoming more persistent about finding a nice, young man to settle down with. One day, they were sitting on the front porch when Grandma asked her when she was going to find a good man. She responded by saying, "When the right woman comes along." There was a long silence. Finally, Grandma said, "Well, then she's going to be the luckiest woman in the world."

Many people change their attitudes when it gets real. Not always this easily, and not always for the best. But a lot do. That's why it's so important for society to make it safe for people to be able to come out. A wedding is an important enough event that it can have an impact on granny. Just seeing how normal everyone else treats the event can have a huge impact.

That's also why there is such a backlash against the LGBTQ community by christian leaders. christianity is lashing out, it's survival is at risk. It's still the majority religion in the US, but it's diminishing, even amongst christians. A lot of believers don't even attend, or barely attend, church.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Fundamentalists and authoritarians need an object for the hatred they cultivate. The right wing media and the fundy hate groups are fanning the flames, trying to turn it into a society-wide conflagration. This kind of hatred requires that they dehumanize and demonize the objects of their loathing.

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Sean's avatar

Very true. Every demagogue and hate leader will utilize a marginalized group to stoke fear that only they can provide the solution to. It's a time-tested tactic that always works. Always. Religion is a very effective tool to stoke that fear since it requires very little effort. It can bring more people into the fold and will make current followers clutch to the leader more, reinforcing their control over them. Many a leader has reframed their greed as a religious war to stoke public support for their war.

That's why it's so important to humanize people. Showing LGBTQ people as having all the same problems as the "normies" stokes empathy for them. (Empathy being understanding the person.) When they are shown as normal, particularly on TV, one common tactic is to ask, "Why are they shoving their lifestyle down our throats." I've heard this on one occasion at work. It wasn't the place to address it.

The thing is it's such an effective tool that people that aren't haters will be affected by this highlighting. That's why they bring up single instance is shows up in movies. Or with beer. People hold many thoughts that they aren't even their own. That's the insidiousness of that tactic. It's also why critical thinking is so important.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

"The Horrific True Story That Rocked the Nation!"

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

You could warn people before posting pictures of slugs wearing human suits !

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ericc's avatar

Yeah but we don't know how much of that is cover. I'm willing to bet that he thinks it's fine to love your "wayward" kid or grandkid, but he knew saying that would be a bridge too far for his audience so he stopped at "go, for Jesus reasons." Huge miscalculation of his audience, but that's a different issue.

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Jarred Harris's avatar

I'm going to take the man at his word rather than making unfounded speculations in the hopes of making him seem better than he presents himself to be. But you do you.

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oraxx's avatar

As near as I can tell, about the last thing today's evangelicals care about is actual morality. They prefer to use their religion as a cudgel to punish everyone they disagree with. They value goose-stepping conformity above all else, and their reaction to this radio preacher's advice to this grandmother is an example of it.

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Joe King's avatar

"𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑑𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑤," 𝑉𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑜 𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑠 𝐴𝐹𝑁. "𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑙, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐿𝐺𝐵𝑇𝑄 𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑎."

Really? One would think that the critical issue is that this bigotry on display is contributing to the permanent mass exodus of young people from the church.

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XJC's avatar

The 'body of Christ' reeks from being a 1,991 year old, rotting corpse somewhere in the Middle East--likely buried underneath a mosque where young, aspiring suicide bombers are now praying to Allah. It's poetic justice at its finest--believe in THAT, motherfuckers.

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Maltnothops's avatar

They have not yet internalized the fact that they are no longer in charge of (major influencers on) society.

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Sko Hayes's avatar

Because they are more interested in being the scolds of society than in retaining church members.

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ericc's avatar

Pretty sure that Jesus didn't give two shirts about cultural agendas. It was all about the individual choosing to do individual 'right' things. Of course that makes total sense as preparation for the very-soon end of the world.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“And people need to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.”

Okay. There’s so much in this little sentence that is just so … ugh.

Yes, people need to just deal with their own salvation. Stop getting involved in other people’s salvation. You cannot save them, they have to do it for themselves. Even though he’s not saying this really, he says you have to witness to them so they can save themselves. But I am saying that has nothing to do with your own salvation and others don’t appreciate you getting involved in theirs.

What is so appealing to be saved by someone that requires you to be so fearful you tremble just thinking about it? It does not come off as “be fearful to not be saved” it comes off as “be afraid of your savior.” All the time, every reference to fear god, is about his being is what should scare you. What do you call a father that instills fear of his children with his presence? Abusive. Living with people like that is not appealing, no one wants to do it if they can help it. Why is god and religion an exception? I honestly want nothing to do with that. It makes hell far more desirable.

Also, salvation is a crock of shit. If God wanted to forgive my sins, being God and all, he could just forgive me. Essentially, sin is disobedience to god anyway, and biblically he’s shown no reason to obey him and no morality involved in his orders and I wouldn’t want to not sin. All that to say, though, it’s made up nonsense that doesn’t exist, no god, no sin, no repentance, no heaven no hell. So, take your witness and shove it up your ass.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝐼𝑡 [religion] 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑤𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 '𝐵𝑖𝑔 𝐵𝑟𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟,' 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑎 𝑡𝑜𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑤𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠, 𝑤𝑒 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑓𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑑, 𝑤𝑒 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜𝑚 𝑤𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑎𝑟 – 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑎𝑑𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑚, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑏𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟-𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑖𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡 𝑜𝑛. 𝐼 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑙...

-- Christopher Hitchens

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Bill Wilson's avatar

“Judge not, that ye not be judged” - Jesus the messiah.

“ By implication, it means to condemn, punish—avenge, conclude. It also carries the idea of having discernment. The passage where Jesus said, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” ( Matthew 7:1 ) goes on to show us how to have discernment. Love is the proper motivation for not judging and for using good judgment.”

“ Mercy appears in the Bible as it relates to forgiveness or withholding punishment. For example, God the Father showed mercy on us when he sacrificed his son, Christ Jesus, on the Cross to pay the price for our sins.”

In summary: Be kinder than is necessary.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Christianity seems to be going through a huge schism now over whether or not to forgive people who sin. I have even seen where one fundagelical said the beatitudes were too woke... I still have not heard a one of them say why an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful god would create people whom he already knows he will damn?

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Bill Wilson's avatar

Yes, I have read about Christians rejecting forgiveness and mercy for fellow citizens they disagree with and the changing U.S. culture they want to fossilize in their favor. These folks reject a Jesus who healed a bleeding woman, accepting women, who under Mosaic Law, are considered impure since they bleed, compared the Empire of God to a woman who leavened Passover bread, accepted tax collectors, Roman collaborators, into his followers, attacked the Sanhedrin, worked on the sabbath, rejected stoning of an adulterous women, and overall mocked the hypocrisy of the Mosiac culture. Jesus prioritized behavior that was compassionate over solely being pure and not helping the poor.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I can see why the Christian Reich reacted the way they did to Begg's suggestion that one of his callers attend a transgender wedding. Repeated exposure to alternative sexuality might just cause the observer to understand what's going on with trans people and [HORRORS!] begin to empathize with them! EEEEK! Can't have that!

Meanwhile, Begg is clearly thinking that his caller going to the wedding might influence one or both of the participants of the supposed "error of their ways," and possibly wind up being the fly in the ointment of what should otherwise be a happy event. I suspect that's a non-starter. Any couple who considers being relatively public with such a ceremony are more than likely strong enough to stand up to a less understanding point of view.

Turns out both Begg and the AFA are on the wrong side of this situation (big surprise, right?). Neither of them can deal with anything relating to alternative sexuality, and their knee-jerk reaction is to either attempt to spoil it or reject it out of hand ... and they both deserve any opprobrium they get.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

There are visible differences in LGBT brains and straight brains on functional MRI. Whodathunk that sin could be detected in an MRI scanner?

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larry parker's avatar

"...don’t understand Jesus and don’t understand that he is a King."

I understand that Jesus is a fictional character and that we (royal we ; ) fought a war to get rid of Kings.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this. Jesus himself said he came as a sword to divide family members against each other and that anyone who loves their son or daughter more than they love him is not worthy of him.

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

The great irony is that Christians often rail against things like pornography and gambling on the basis that they hurt/divide/help to break up families. That's why they sanctimoniously label themselves and their beliefs as "pro-family."

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

Their Hypocrite-in-chief demands they love enemies even as jezus burns them in hell.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

OT- Another one for the "conservatives saying the quiet part out loud" file... https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ohio-michigan-republicans-in-released

A group of Republican legislators held a brainstorming session on The Cesspit Formerly Known As Twitter, in which they admitted that their "endgame" is to ban gender-affirming care for everyone, regardless of age, and that all of their "protecting the children" and "fairness in sports" horseshit was never anything more than a way to chip away at the issue of trans folks 𝘦𝘹𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 until they could move openly to criminalize transition, period. Apparently they forgot to deselect the "publish" option, or something, so their little bigot circle-jerk is now out in the open.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Shun them just like Jesus said.

Judge them just like Jesus said.

Stone them just like Jesus said.

For that is the only way to stop the sinners from sinning.

There are whole congregations that actively reject the Sermon on the Mount because it is too soft, it isn’t hateful or hurtful enough for their tastes. They reject Jesus for turning the other cheek, or offering kindness forgiveness and sympathy.

There is too much acceptance of LGBTQ people for Christianity to sustain this thinking for very long. There’s already an arterial bleeding of adherents of Christianity, and the more cruel the churches become the heavier the bleeding. This laser focus on bullying LGBTQ people of the church will only kill it off.

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wreck's avatar

"This is a critical issue in the body of Christ right now,"

I thought that it was that giant bean burrito he ate. For you's sake, at least light a candle, Jeezy.

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Maltnothops's avatar

How Christian of them.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

How many of us, or them, would recognise a transperson right of the bat ? Who can know if the cashier at the supermarket is not one ? Will they bath in holy water every time they pass someone in the street just in case ? Bigots make being ridiculous an art.

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Straw's avatar

My experience is that it usually is impossible to see. You must know a person really really well to guess correct without the person telling you.

That said, when I was a kid, all the neighbour kids app. the same age played together. We spent a lot of time together. I don't remember us talking about gender and preference for the sex of a future lover, but we knew and never made a fuzz about it. The important thing was to play together and climb the trees an building platforms in them and everything we thought was interesting and/or fun.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Dammit, it's my birthday and Hemant hasn't produced a new column. Maybe he forgot. :)

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Straw's avatar

Gratulerer med dagen.

Hurra for deg som fyller ditt år,

ja deg vil vi gratulere.

Alle i ring omkring deg vi står,

og se nå hvor vi masjerer.

Bukke nikke neie, snu oss omkring.

Danse for deg med hopp og sprett og spring.

Ønske deg av hjertet alle gode ting.

Og si meg så, hva vil du mere?

GRATULERER!!!!!

The most used birthday song, used in Norway.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

A song would have been nice. I did get two books – and a card that showed a fireman rushing towards you with a hose saying "They're lighting the candles now Derek – for gods sake faster." I suppose that three quarters of a century you've got to expect something like this.

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Straw's avatar

I gave you a song, only written. You don't want me to sing for you. Nobody wants me to sing for them. Those I have sung for call it torture to listen to. It really is not good for you. You should consider me not singing to you a valuable present.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Ah ... we're related then. :)

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Straw's avatar

Could be. But all my relatives are from 70-72 °N, so it has to be a very, very long time ago.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Do dogs howl in pain when you sing ?

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Straw's avatar

Yup. Even cats run. I know for sure, some of them where my own.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

You would get along with DM.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

So, is your first name is Derek?

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

Young whippersnapper!!!! 77 here

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NOGODZ20's avatar

👍🎂👍 🎂👍 🎂

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Happy B day. 🎂

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

https://images.app.goo.gl/fCfK524HS31ewWix6

If your birthday is the 29th, it's still the 28th for Hemant.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

OT

More Christian love...

"A convoy calling themselves 'God's army' plans to head to the Texas border to stop migrants from entering the US"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-convoy-calling-themselves-god-s-army-plans-to-head-to-the-texas-border-to-stop-migrants-from-entering-the-us/ar-BB1hliQG

Hey, numbskulls: Your own god in your own bible told you NOT to mistreat foreigners. He also told you that you are to treat the foreigners living among you as native-born and to love them.

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

Also, if a single convoy can stop the flow of illegal immigration from Mexico to the United States, then I don't think the border situation is as bas as Republicans are claiming it is.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Considering that Republicans are the ones threatening to kill the current bipartisan border bill so Chump can keep using "look out for the darkies!" as a campaign issue, 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 clearly don't think it's that bad, either.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

The GQP never let facts get in the way of one of their stories.

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

"...as bad..."

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Joan the Dork's avatar

This needs to be put down.

𝘏𝘢𝘳𝘥.

Or else roving mobs of brownshirts will soon be their answer to 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨.

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Matri's avatar

That's their end goal.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

I hope they get arrested.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

From what I can see all we need is some sort of subway turnstile – they'll get confused and turn back.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Hopefully, tasing will be involved before the actual arrest.

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Matri's avatar

Connect that taser to a power mains and you'll never have to recharge.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Now that's forward thinking. :)

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Richard Wade's avatar

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" --Matt 7 KJV

So many Christians have utterly abandoned Jesus except in name only. They consider him to be a woke, liberal hippie, and so therefore someone to be not just disregarded, but strongly opposed. They're now completely a hate cult. You have to hate all the people they hate, or you can't be a member. So anyone showing the slightest hint of compassion toward one of their hate targets is equally as much a sinner as the people they hate.

I myself can't muster much compassion for Mr. Begg, since he has spent years making money by fostering the exact kind of hate that has just backfired on him. His ironic consequences are well-deserved.

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." --John 13:34-35 KJV

"Ah shut up, ya bleedin' heart longhair sissy. Y'aint ma kinda Chrischen. Where's ma gun?"

It's astonishing to me that Christians are still puzzled about why they're going extinct.

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Matri's avatar

They have twisted that saying to mean that Christians are allowed to judge others but others are not allowed to judge Christians.

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Richard Wade's avatar

Really? Wow, that would take rationalizing, equivocating, and mal-interpreting worthy of a Cirque du Soleil contortionist. I was assuming that they just ignore it like so many other parts of their Book of Magic Spells.

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