The last I looked blasphemy is 1) a free speech issue and 2) a victimless crime ... or it is at least until Yahweh decides to show up and complain. Still, that's beside the point. Satanism is a recognized religion by the United States government, and as such, participation by chaplains sponsored by The Satanic Temple or other similar organization is completely legal, regardless of what Rocky the Flying Dipshit wants to assert.
I would heartily suggest that Malloy get over himself, not that he will.
I actually kind of agree, but not for the reason he thinks. There should not be chaplains of any kind in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars. It isn't as if this country suffers from a lack of churches, and any kid who actually wants spiritual counseling can easily get it. The religious right's obsession with forcing their religion into the public schools speaks directly to just how weak their message ultimately is that they feel they need to indoctrinate children before they've reached the age of reason.
A quibble: in theory, a candidate for the job could be a qualified accredited social worker who also happens to be a chaplain. Such folks should be allowed to apply for school counseling jobs (and probably, constitutionally, must be allowed).
However, I get what you are saying and agree. Chaplaincy as an activity should not be allowed, and nor should qualifications as a chaplain count in any way as qualifications to be a social worker or school counselor. It should be as irrelevant to the employment decision and work done on the job as "unicycle rider." Neither for nor against nor even a consideration.
Well, Catholics think that Protestants have been mislead by Satan and follow him, and Protestants think that Catholics worships the pope who is Satan on earth. Both groups believe every other religion is false and started by Satan. While Satanists don't actually believe that Satan is real. So they only people who can actually work in schools are Satanists.
The assumption that “Christianity alone could solve problems” is obviously false in that we’ve all seen that Christianity, more often than not, is the problem. Real mental health counselors are there to provide support, not shame one’s kids. And furthermore, Malloy is just plain creepy.
Once again, Christians reveal themselves to be the groomers they falsely accuse others of being.
Public schoolchildren need not have the Christian god (or any other god) forced down their throats. They already have their homes, houses of worship and Sunday school/Catechism classes. All off-campus. That is more than enough.
Public school children attend classes to learn facts about how things truly work, not Bronze Age fantasies.
"representing God's presence within out public schools."
I thought Christians were always whining about how their imaginary friend had been kicked out of public schools by evil secularists. Believers can't keep their story straight.
I identify as Christian and I can’t stop face palming and shaking my head over these legislative movements “in the name of God and Christ.” None of these things signs with the message of Christ presented in the Bible.
NONE.
In fact, all these “legislate our visions and versions of morality and spiritual practice” are the very practices Jesus railed against. Not to mention, the spiritual histories shared in the Old Testament all embraced such legalism, and were held as examples of “nit quite doing the job.”
In the end, these legislative efforts are rooted in a fear that the one-time Christian majority will suffer as it slides into a minority role and position in our culture.
An oversimplification on my part, for sure. I grew up amidst teachings saying Jesus came to establish a new way, one that simultaneously fulfilled [prophecy of] Old Testament and established a new covenant. I’ve always regarded the legalism that rose out of the Exodus covenant as a needed and necessary “step in the right direction,” so to say, en route to Christ’s ministry and teaching of The Way. That progression of which you speak, I see it and concur, even if I do appear to overlook it as I generalize and oversimplify.
Thanks for your reply. I was also brought up with that perspective but (while I’m sure you didn’t intend this), it’s often an antisemitic trope that “Judaism is legalistic”.
Most religions contain different groups who perform their spiritual practices in different ways, with different intentions and meanings.
There are devotional groups (such as the Bhakti movement in Hinduism). There are mystical groups (the Sufis in Islam, the Quakers and the Hesychasts in Christianity, and many more). There are broadly legalistic groups, such as the Shi’ites in Islam. There are fundamentalist groups like the Wahhabis in Islam. There are esoteric groups such as Kabbalists in Judaism, initiatory Wicca in Paganism, and so on. There are liberal groups in most religions (the Sufis, the Quakers, the Unitarians and UUs, Liberal Judaism, Reform Judaism, Progressive Judaism, inclusive Wicca, and many more).
Therein lies the problem with all of this. The Bible arises as a text in an ancient language translated decades after Jesus.
So, we’re dealing with a text written in hindsight comprised of selected events and details, all of which is translated multiple times over from then to now, with contemporary word choices subject to the cultural mores and ideas of the translator’s era.
As for compilation, does anyone really think with any degree of absolute certainty the compilers of what was and wasn’t included in the Bible were a completely altruistic, divinely guided bunch of folks with nothing to gain from creating the book as they saw fit?
According to the buybull, jayzuz was fathered by 'god'. According to christain doctrine jayzuz is 'god'. So by their own storyline jayzuz is an inbred motherfker. Which explains why christains are the way they are.
It's always about money and undue power over people/women/children and never about "faith". Another way to steal from the public schools, just like they did from government programs, then bankrupt them and declare failures to kill those programs.
How many of us wonder how this will play out for children, (their physical and emotinal safety), by giving access to these "chaplains"?
Why do they need the schools to teach the religion? The faith should be taught by parents/guardians who practice themselves or in their faith centers. The schools are for learning and to be prepared for the practical world. Don't the corporations need the trained workforce?
I know that having offered the invocation for the Iowa Senate several years ago and having officiated legal marriages in Iowa that I am indeed recognized by the State of Iowa as an actual chaplain/pastor/whatever. Non-theist humanist, BTW. I also know that pisses off our Xtian nationalist legislators and their supporters....icing/gravy/bonus! 😁
As I've said elsewhere, Christians like those need to be reminded – REPEATEDLY! – that they are NOT the only game in town, that there are other religions out there, as well as those of us who don't believe at all, and that local, state, and federal governments need to be NEUTRAL regarding all of the above, the better to treat all people EQUALLY.
Funny thing, both the Iowa House and Senate have stopped allowing Pastor of the Day invocations, because the Trumpublican "leadership" didn't like non-Xtian-Nationalist invocations.
Oh, no, they didn't stop invocations, they just let their Xtian Nationalist theofascist members say magic words. The shit show still goes on, just absent other perspectives.
I still think Schumer should've let it play out, just to watch Marjie and the rest of the Clown Show make complete asses of themselves, but I suppose this is probably the better outcome from the 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺'𝘴 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 angle. Sorry, Republicans- if you didn't think Cheetolini siccing a lynch mob on a joint session of Congress was worthy of Impeachment, nobody's going to take you seriously when you do it just for funzies.
A former bodyguard who is now a political pundit? Perhaps some stereotyping, but you don't really need a huge amount of political education to be a bodyguard do you?
Actually, John Edwards was charged with similar level (albeit at the federal, not the state level)...and pretty much everyone on Fox at the time who commented on the matter (Hannity, Megn Kelly, Bill O'Reilly) cheered on the prosecution.
Sounds like a guy who doesn't believe in freedom of religion. Just freedom to be subjected to his religion.
Of course. Christians of Malloy's stripe think they are the only game in town or at least that they SHOULD be ... except that they're not.
And sometimes, they have to have their nose rubbed in it to recognize that.
The last I looked blasphemy is 1) a free speech issue and 2) a victimless crime ... or it is at least until Yahweh decides to show up and complain. Still, that's beside the point. Satanism is a recognized religion by the United States government, and as such, participation by chaplains sponsored by The Satanic Temple or other similar organization is completely legal, regardless of what Rocky the Flying Dipshit wants to assert.
I would heartily suggest that Malloy get over himself, not that he will.
“… until Yahweh decides to show up…”
Or any other deity. I’m not picky.
Still, my guess is you have to wait for a really, really, really, really long time.
I actually kind of agree, but not for the reason he thinks. There should not be chaplains of any kind in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars. It isn't as if this country suffers from a lack of churches, and any kid who actually wants spiritual counseling can easily get it. The religious right's obsession with forcing their religion into the public schools speaks directly to just how weak their message ultimately is that they feel they need to indoctrinate children before they've reached the age of reason.
A quibble: in theory, a candidate for the job could be a qualified accredited social worker who also happens to be a chaplain. Such folks should be allowed to apply for school counseling jobs (and probably, constitutionally, must be allowed).
However, I get what you are saying and agree. Chaplaincy as an activity should not be allowed, and nor should qualifications as a chaplain count in any way as qualifications to be a social worker or school counselor. It should be as irrelevant to the employment decision and work done on the job as "unicycle rider." Neither for nor against nor even a consideration.
Hmmm ... got me thinking... Maybe learning to ride a unicycle would be good therapy for a troubled youth.
Well, Catholics think that Protestants have been mislead by Satan and follow him, and Protestants think that Catholics worships the pope who is Satan on earth. Both groups believe every other religion is false and started by Satan. While Satanists don't actually believe that Satan is real. So they only people who can actually work in schools are Satanists.
“The cadet’s logic is sound.”
The assumption that “Christianity alone could solve problems” is obviously false in that we’ve all seen that Christianity, more often than not, is the problem. Real mental health counselors are there to provide support, not shame one’s kids. And furthermore, Malloy is just plain creepy.
Christianity can't even solve problems in bible belt states.
In divorce alone, the bible belt states are the leaders.
But they sure know how to pump out unwanted babies that will grow up just as ignorant, bigoted and selfish as them because...Jesus.
Actually, infant and mother mortality rates are highest in the Bible Belt, so it's probably a net loss.
Why does a supposed rich country as US and supposed moral xians in the bible belt allow those deaths to happen? Most of them are avoidable.
And repeat teen pregnancy.
Chick-fil-A has a couple of sandwiches on their menu that have eggs. They're committing genocide 6 days a week.
Those don't seem to have been fertilized so just egg cells.
We can as well call him malfoy.
I was going to call him Rockhead Malfoy earlier this morning. :)
Pas assez rapide Petit Scarabée 😁
Had the idea hours ago. Chose not to post it. :)
He does look a bit Devilish in that photo.
Right?! Wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
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Stormy Daniels won the Internet yesterday when someone wrote, 'she'll sell anything for money', and she responded, "Not true. I wouldn't sell Bibles."
Boom!
She seems smart and opiniated. Good for her.
Let's face it: In a battle of wits, Stormy's packing a howitzer while Trump is brandishing a rubber knife.
(OT - Thought of you when I read the following in this morning's newspaper...)
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/04/17
Unfortunately we have them for only a short while. To them, we are their entire life.
"Never complain"
The author never met Aria 🤣
Once again, Christians reveal themselves to be the groomers they falsely accuse others of being.
Public schoolchildren need not have the Christian god (or any other god) forced down their throats. They already have their homes, houses of worship and Sunday school/Catechism classes. All off-campus. That is more than enough.
Public school children attend classes to learn facts about how things truly work, not Bronze Age fantasies.
"representing God's presence within out public schools."
I thought Christians were always whining about how their imaginary friend had been kicked out of public schools by evil secularists. Believers can't keep their story straight.
I identify as Christian and I can’t stop face palming and shaking my head over these legislative movements “in the name of God and Christ.” None of these things signs with the message of Christ presented in the Bible.
NONE.
In fact, all these “legislate our visions and versions of morality and spiritual practice” are the very practices Jesus railed against. Not to mention, the spiritual histories shared in the Old Testament all embraced such legalism, and were held as examples of “nit quite doing the job.”
In the end, these legislative efforts are rooted in a fear that the one-time Christian majority will suffer as it slides into a minority role and position in our culture.
I enjoyed your comment up to the point where you misrepresented the Hebrew Bible, and then I stopped enjoying it.
The Hebrew Bible shows a clear progression from legalistic religion to spiritual religion—see the book of Micah for example.
An oversimplification on my part, for sure. I grew up amidst teachings saying Jesus came to establish a new way, one that simultaneously fulfilled [prophecy of] Old Testament and established a new covenant. I’ve always regarded the legalism that rose out of the Exodus covenant as a needed and necessary “step in the right direction,” so to say, en route to Christ’s ministry and teaching of The Way. That progression of which you speak, I see it and concur, even if I do appear to overlook it as I generalize and oversimplify.
Thanks for your reply. I was also brought up with that perspective but (while I’m sure you didn’t intend this), it’s often an antisemitic trope that “Judaism is legalistic”.
Most religions contain different groups who perform their spiritual practices in different ways, with different intentions and meanings.
There are devotional groups (such as the Bhakti movement in Hinduism). There are mystical groups (the Sufis in Islam, the Quakers and the Hesychasts in Christianity, and many more). There are broadly legalistic groups, such as the Shi’ites in Islam. There are fundamentalist groups like the Wahhabis in Islam. There are esoteric groups such as Kabbalists in Judaism, initiatory Wicca in Paganism, and so on. There are liberal groups in most religions (the Sufis, the Quakers, the Unitarians and UUs, Liberal Judaism, Reform Judaism, Progressive Judaism, inclusive Wicca, and many more).
Therein lies the problem with all of this. The Bible arises as a text in an ancient language translated decades after Jesus.
So, we’re dealing with a text written in hindsight comprised of selected events and details, all of which is translated multiple times over from then to now, with contemporary word choices subject to the cultural mores and ideas of the translator’s era.
As for compilation, does anyone really think with any degree of absolute certainty the compilers of what was and wasn’t included in the Bible were a completely altruistic, divinely guided bunch of folks with nothing to gain from creating the book as they saw fit?
I know this may sound snarky, but it is a serious question, and I will try to be respectful while not being ambiguous.
Do you feel Jesus has given you insight as to which bits of the bible you should and shouldn't take entirely seriously?
Yes, Jesus told me to take everything in that book seriously. I didn't take him seriously. So here I am.
According to the buybull, jayzuz was fathered by 'god'. According to christain doctrine jayzuz is 'god'. So by their own storyline jayzuz is an inbred motherfker. Which explains why christains are the way they are.
Not only that, but a god in the form of a bird impregnating a human woman. A direct rip off of earlier Greek myths.
Just another example of a shitty reboot that shouldn't have gotten a second look let alone a green light.
It's always about money and undue power over people/women/children and never about "faith". Another way to steal from the public schools, just like they did from government programs, then bankrupt them and declare failures to kill those programs.
How many of us wonder how this will play out for children, (their physical and emotinal safety), by giving access to these "chaplains"?
Why do they need the schools to teach the religion? The faith should be taught by parents/guardians who practice themselves or in their faith centers. The schools are for learning and to be prepared for the practical world. Don't the corporations need the trained workforce?
I know that having offered the invocation for the Iowa Senate several years ago and having officiated legal marriages in Iowa that I am indeed recognized by the State of Iowa as an actual chaplain/pastor/whatever. Non-theist humanist, BTW. I also know that pisses off our Xtian nationalist legislators and their supporters....icing/gravy/bonus! 😁
As I've said elsewhere, Christians like those need to be reminded – REPEATEDLY! – that they are NOT the only game in town, that there are other religions out there, as well as those of us who don't believe at all, and that local, state, and federal governments need to be NEUTRAL regarding all of the above, the better to treat all people EQUALLY.
What a concept, eh?
Funny thing, both the Iowa House and Senate have stopped allowing Pastor of the Day invocations, because the Trumpublican "leadership" didn't like non-Xtian-Nationalist invocations.
It seems some thanks are due to you for your service.
THANK YOU!
Even better.
Oh, no, they didn't stop invocations, they just let their Xtian Nationalist theofascist members say magic words. The shit show still goes on, just absent other perspectives.
OT- GQP Impeachment case against Secretary Mayorkas lands with a wet plop; is unceremoniously flushed: https://apnews.com/article/mayorkas-senate-impeachment-trial-democrats-29aa775c0e866f4160f320583f261a72
I still think Schumer should've let it play out, just to watch Marjie and the rest of the Clown Show make complete asses of themselves, but I suppose this is probably the better outcome from the 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺'𝘴 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 angle. Sorry, Republicans- if you didn't think Cheetolini siccing a lynch mob on a joint session of Congress was worthy of Impeachment, nobody's going to take you seriously when you do it just for funzies.
Wasting time? It's not as if they're doing anything else is it?
Wasting time has been part of the plan since the party of Trump took control of the House.
MALLOY: "It's nonexistent! It's a typical demonic threat!"
Um, did you hear what you just said?
Those groups of brain cells aren't talking to one another this week.
Maybe next week.
Maybe.
I wish I was as optimistic as you are.
Kind of like: "The food is terrible but at least the servings are large "
It sounds like an employment program for pedophiles.
You’re saying the quiet part out loud.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Screenshot-2024-04-18-at-6.16.14%E2%80%AFAM.png
The kids are alright!
He's Abraham Lincoln! He's Nelson Mandela! He's Jesus! He's all these and so many more! Bigly!
A "living" martyr? Someone should inform Murdoch/Tyrus what being a martyr means.
A former bodyguard who is now a political pundit? Perhaps some stereotyping, but you don't really need a huge amount of political education to be a bodyguard do you?
My favorite was when Neil Cavuto, on a segment of his show, asked Fabio about the Israel-Hamas war (seriously, not joke).
"no one is being charged with that."
Actually, John Edwards was charged with similar level (albeit at the federal, not the state level)...and pretty much everyone on Fox at the time who commented on the matter (Hannity, Megn Kelly, Bill O'Reilly) cheered on the prosecution.
sorry "something similar," not "similar level"...guess I need some more coffee.
Blasphemy is yet another imaginary crime. It is meaingless to nonbelievers living under a secular government.
Blasphemy is also my favorite exercise.
You don't use Pontius Pilates? 😉
I yoga say I don't understand the reference 🤔
Pilates are a form of exercise. 🙂
'Blasphemy' is an American birthright.