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Joe King's avatar

𝑂𝑏𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦, 𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑏𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑡 𝑏𝑦 𝑁𝑖𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑜𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑏𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑦.

And the problem is?

I really don't see an issue with normalizing accepting a child for 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞.

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Maltnothops's avatar

If these folks knew for a fact that their pregnancy would produce a trans or non-binary offspring, I wonder if they would think abortion the lesser evil.

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Joe King's avatar

They wouldn't abort. They don't think trans people exist, and that poor child growing up in that environment would be subjected to the evils of conversion therapy.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Until they self abort, removing the culpability from the parents, spiritually speaking.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Holy shit! The existence of that film is hilarious.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

No different than wondering if they think of evolution being the lesser evil in their own sick mind.

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Straw's avatar

Me neither. When I grew up I had at least two friends who was non-binary. This was four to five decades ago. My parents never had a problem with that, why should they?

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oraxx's avatar

There is a high degree of overlap between the people who call themselves Christian, and professional victims. They will never run out of things they find offensive, and rather than avoiding them they will demand the rest of the world change to accommodate them.

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Sko Hayes's avatar

These people are nothing without the outrage machine of the RW wing media.

It's nothing but fear, outrage and victimhood.

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JerryBier's avatar

You are 100% correct. These fools that are 'offended' by a character that isn't defined as straight, white, and Christian are [just plain] wrong about everything. And it's not because of their religion, it's because they're brainwashed bigots and they alter their beliefs to conform to their groomed RWNJ ideology.

Maybe they should read the WHOLE Bible and find that it is purposely designed to create confusion in their brains, not to build character and empathy. With nearly 1400 direct contradictions, how could it do anything else. That's why they need their churches and their preachers to "guide" them and make sure they only use the few parts that conform to their bigotry.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“Nickelodeon has now decided to be politically correct instead of providing family-friendly programming.”

What is not family-friendly about the episode? Specifically. Are they doing drugs? Having sex? Walking around naked with genitalia flapping around? Are they murdering people in cold blood and ar14s? (Wait, that’s family friendly to these assholes because AR14s are just props for Christmas cards and normal risk of attending elementary school)

Oh she said making non-binary people normal. Making normal people normal is just terrible.

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ericc's avatar

The irony is that Nick DID try and please everyone. The out-of-show discussions is something that a parent of a nonbinary kid can bring up and show them, meanwhile the lack of any mention in-show means kids whose parents don't bother to bring it up, will never even think about it.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Kevin Sorbo cried that when his book was called anti-transgender for its anti-transgender theme and Bible verses he said something about only not having a LGBT character making it anti-transgender. But here we have a kids show that doesn’t mention anything, it has a color scheme of LGBT people, and suddenly it is anti-Christian. There’s no mention of Christianity, positive or negative, just a theme of kindness and empathy. Therefore, to her and those like her, Christianity is against kindness and empathy. This is why she’s having difficulties breaking the 5,000 followers mark.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Sorbo is a self-proclaimed transphobe. He said so in a now-deleted tweet that was blasted by Lucy Lawless.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Xena is still alive it seems.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Yes she is. Wish the same could be same for Sorbo's brain.

(Lucy is 55, btw)

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Matri's avatar

Wait, what?? She was in her 20's when she did Xena??

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NOGODZ20's avatar

She would have been 27 when the show first aired.

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Joe King's avatar

Monica:

Saying you are prohibited from something because of your religion is perfectly fine. I would even encourage that behavior. Saying I am prohibited because of your religion is where we have a problem. That's what your bitching and moaning boils down to. Your religion says it's wrong, so you want to make it wrong for everyone, even those who do not share your beliefs.

Show me how letting people of all ages openly exist as who they are directly affects you, without any callbacks to your sacred fables. You can't. So grow the fuck up and keep your nose out of other people's lives.

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ericc's avatar

It harms their souls and therefore must be stopped. Forcing them to adhere to strict christianity saves their souls and therefore benefits them and society. Just ask Torquemada.

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Vanity Unfair's avatar

That cartoon is outrageous and should be removed forthwith. The astronomical phenomenon referred to as a "shooting star" i.e. a meteor, is obviously, because of its longevity, a comet. Children should not be exposed to such scientific inaccuracy and only allowed correct stories about four-legged insects and bird-bats and human parthenogenesis and the flat Earth and .....

Edited for poor spacing..

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GrandmascienCe's avatar

EXACTLY! Good luck getting a pic of a meteor with a telescope, unless it has some very specialized equipment attached and is left out all night!

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Stephen Brady's avatar

The problem with One Goth Mom with a Xitter feed is that she has a diagnosis that I have thought should be added to to DSM, for years: 'Judgmental Personality Disorder'. She is incapable of accepting anything beyond her personal worldview, she despises anyone who doesn't meet her circumscribed definition of 'correct behavior', she is unable to even look at new information, she believes she is always right and everyone who disagrees with her is always wrong, and she wants to impose her 'right opinion' on the whole world. She would expunge from the human race all of us who are different... in essence, the perfect theofascist. And she gets her nasty personality disorder reinforced by frequent large paychecks from here hate-group employer.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

"She is incapable of accepting anything beyond her personal worldview, she despises anyone who doesn't meet her circumscribed definition of 'correct behavior', she is unable to even look at new information, she believes she is always right and everyone who disagrees with her is always wrong, and she wants to impose her 'right opinion' on the whole world."

Just like young earth creationists like Dumb Idiot Ken Ham and his AiG cronies.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

True. The whole foundation of evangelical christianity and all other fundamentalist religions is their followers denial of anything not in their ancient religious texts and unswerving loyalty to nonsense.

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Whitney's avatar

I now have Pink Floyd playing in my head. This is all your fault, for the record. You made me think she's just another..... Well, you get the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6PwUG283DU

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Maltnothops's avatar

Judgmental Personality Disorder is brilliant. I know a bunch of people who have that.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

As do I!

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jomicur's avatar

> "...𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑏𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑦."

No need. Non-binary children ARE normal, as are all other kids (and adults) on the gender/sexuality spectrum. (Or should I say spectrA?)

I posted recently that I've never felt comfortable "being a man" in the stereotypical way. and that if the label "non-binary" had been current and available when I was a kid, I'd have adopted it in a heartbeat. And the more I think about it, the more sense the non-binary label makes to me. "Guy stuff"--sports, cars, tools, etc.--has always left me stunningly uninterested. Likewise "girl stuff." I am my own being, with my own set of tastes and interests, and they don't conform to gender expectations except in a purely tangential way. That is perfectly normal--FOR ME--and if Monica Cole and her confederates aren't happy about it, they are more than free to kiss my non-binary ass.

At 75 I'm still making discoveries about myself. Whether that's weird, wonderful or some combination, I don't know. But it's happening, whether I or conservative christians like it or not. Personally, I think I'll go with "like it." The realization has brought me a new feeling of freedom. something religion never did.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

I love both knitting and assemble furniture. DM can do basic plumbing and electrical stuff (she learned on Internet), she rewired a bedroom* in one of her friend's appartement by herself.

* The original door was changed into a small alcove and Mme Y wanted lights in it.

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jomicur's avatar

Cool. But for me, it's not just about hobbies/pastimes. I have never "felt like" a man--or wanted to.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Recognizing that 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 don't have genders was a 𝘳𝘪𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘶𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺 difficult part of learning self-acceptance. Idiotically difficult. For the longest time, I was convinced I couldn't possibly be anything but a boy because I liked playing with things like toy trains and die-cast cars (and the massive collection of stuffed animals was the shameful secret that totally didn't prove anything). Boys like boy things, so if you like boy things you must be a boy!

𝘏𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘦, 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦'𝘴 𝘢 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘴 𝘧𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘩: I can have a bunch of cute stuffed animals and also be into wrenching on my own car. I can read trashy romance novels like a horny little weirdo and also enjoy playing first-person shooters. I can like playing dress-up with my *𝘢𝘩𝘦𝘮* action figures but also have them get into fisticuffs with each other, dammit, 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘶𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦!

All those layers upon layers of expectations about what one should like or dislike if one has this set of naughtybits or the other just makes it that much harder to figure out the things that actually do have a bearing on the 𝘸𝘩𝘰-𝘺𝘰𝘶-𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺-𝘢𝘳𝘦 part.

It'd sure have been nice if that was in the instruction manual somewhere.

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cdbunch's avatar

You got an instruction manual?

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

It's kinda reminds me of someone 🤔

Funny even if our paths were different, we both are women 🙂

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ericc's avatar

𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑏𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑡 𝑏𝑦 𝑁𝑖𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑜𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑏𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑦.

Yes, how horrible to for a parent to say "that's okay, it's normal" when their kid says "dad, I don't feel like a boy or a girl." We can't be telling kids they are normal now, can we?

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Bindersfulohostbodies's avatar

One Million Mom and her supporters should boycott PAW Patrol by going and buying a bunch of its merchandise and filming themselves destroying it, for the children. That’ll show ‘em!

At this point, One Million Mom targeting your product is like free advertising and a sales boost.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

HA! That reminds me of a lyric from Rickie Lee Jones and her song, "Juke Box Fury:"

♫♪ Polly and I went to the circus,

And Polly got hit with a rolling pin!

We got even with the circus.

We bought tickets but we didn't go in! ♪♫

Damn, but I love her music!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Monica never learns. She's just giving PAW Patrol and its spin-off free publicity. People might not have even been aware of the latter's existence until she made a stink.

Christians continue to be their own worst enemies.

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cdbunch's avatar

I had heard of Paw Patrol (I think you have to be living under a rock to miss it), but had no idea it had a spin-off.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Okay I live under a rock at the arse end of the world. But I wonder if Monica has ever heard of the Streisand effect? Because I wouldn't have known it existed if this hadn't blown up.

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Lynn James's avatar

I have seen so many travelogues and read so much about Australia and New Zealand, and I am dying to see them both someday, "arse end of the world" or not.

If I could afford to travel, I'd have been there already many times. :)

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Our travelling days are pretty much over, with my wife's heart condition we can't really justify long haul flights – plus we're sort of broke at the moment. But we have spent time in the US – Anaheim, a teeny bit of Florida, Honolulu, San Antonio for some reason, and San Francisco which was my favourite place of all. If we had the money and the health I'd go back like a shot.

New Zealand is nice, Australia on the other hand has too many things that will kill you given half a chance. 😁

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Lynn James's avatar

Well, that's still a lot more traveling than i have ever done. But I still hold out hope.

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cdbunch's avatar

The crooks still got the better end of the deal. We got 80+ million Monicas. George and his predecessors really screwed us.

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Lynn James's avatar

Ditto

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Whitney's avatar

Oh for the love of.....[redacted]

Anyone who goes desperately looking for an agenda in children's television type programming has entirely too much time on their hands. Monica Cole and her 4206 enablers need to find a hobby that contributes something useful to the world like knitting or crochet. This pretending the sky is falling every time some media outlet creates something they don't like is really starting to smell.

But remember, kids, the 1MM support of boycotts and letter writing campaigns isn't cancel culture! It's only cancel culture when some dirty rotten heathen LGBTQ+ person does it. /s

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Anri's avatar

Protip: if you are willing to demonize a fictitious pre-teen for being themselves in a way that harms literally no-one else...

...you might be the bad guy. Maybe.

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Anri's avatar

And speaking of bad guys, if you feel you cannot properly interact with a pre-teen without knowing what's going on between their legs... yeah, bad guy.

"Well, when you put it that way, it sounds bad!"

No, it's bad, I'm just pointing that out bluntly.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

If you think LGBT have equality but still think they shouldn’t have announced this character’s gender, you need to take a moment and think about what it means to be equal or accepted in a society. The mere presence of an LGBT character shouldn't be news and shouldn’t have a reaction like this.

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Cathy G's avatar

Have any of these people ever considered that THEY are clearly pushing an agenda? One that depicts families as white, christian and heterosexual only. Any departure from that "norm" is indoctrination in their view.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I used to ask these people years ago, before non-binary became a thing – to define the "homosexual lifestyle/agenda" without reference to sex. I must've asked that question 50 or a hundred times of various religious nut jobs. Only one tried. They said something about promiscuity. I just laughed, for obvious reasons. They're full of shit.

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jomicur's avatar

Just saw that your Labor PM has COVID--in the middle of his reelection campaign. I don't really know a thing about him, but I assume he must at least be better than his opponent. Best of luck to y'all. (Aka thoughts and prayers 😇.)

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Thanks for the thoughts and prayers. But I think we are in for a weird centre-right major party, with a nutty libertarian on the right and a populist semi racist on the left. It's going to be really interesting because those 2 minor party leaders have egos the size of Manhattan. And diametrically opposed views on many things. They will probably bond on racism.

The Labour Party is the lesser of 2 evils – that's all. Unfortunately no real vision of a fairer society, although like Tony Blair they'll tinker around the edges of neoliberalism. Which I guess is better than nothing. At least we are not likely to get the full on attack on gay people and the poor that you might get with Trump. Fingers crossed. :)

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jomicur's avatar

When the Lutheran church used to get "Davey and Goliath" aired about 90 times a week, they obviously weren't pushing an agenda. Likewise when the Catholics got Bishop Sheen and "The Christophers" broadcast multiple times every week. And of course the multitude of televangelists polluting television now have no agenda whatever. No, no, no, only leftists/secularists have an agenda. Christian motives are as pure as the driven snow. Well, anyway, the driven slush.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“Well, anyway, the driven slush.” In March.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

What about JOT?

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