I have been teaching special education for 23 years. First of all, they are not “special needs students.” They are students with educational disabilities. Every student should be provided a free, appropriate, public education in the least restrictive environment. No students should ever be subjected to corporal punishment. All behavior is communication. Our job is to help children communicate more effectively; not beat them because they lack skills to do so. This man is evil. Tenet three: One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
Thank you for the work you do, Hemant. I look forward to your posts every day and the pod every week. Loving Revelations! I sort of don’t want it to end. 😏
Aw! You're the best! She's in 7th grade now and only needs SLP and accommodations for anxiety. She has hypotonic CP and it was the early years when her balance was an issue and she was still having some gross motor delays that were the worst. Not enough to get PT through the district after EI but still needing it 2-3 times a week. Out of all the potential outcomes I'm not complaining about ours, I feel like we won the lottery.
❤️ We have thought about it in the past, my husband works at a university here but he still can't tell me what happens to IEPs in college. I'm guessing this is where that comes to be important? She can attend that school for free (University of Louisville) but I really want her to try for Berea if she's still interested in it when she's older.
Check with the colleges’ offices of disability. They should have supports in place for Section 504. IEPs go away after high school, because public education is no longer required. Also, find info from OCR. https://www.hhs.gov/civil-rights/for-individuals/index.html
Also make sure her transition IEP is robust to really put her in the best spot to advocate for herself and access resources. You can have all that put into transition plan.
And just WHAT kind of communication are idiot-children like Olsen and Randleman doing with the kids who would be subject to this new law? The answer is left as an exercise for the student.
My mother knew this kind of parental love. So when her father died, her maternal grandfather forced his daughter to give him custody rights. It was some of the best years of my mother life.
Evidently, he wants to legalize child abuse in the name of his magic book. The same book that gives tacit approval for rape and human slavery. Any teacher who struck one of my children would have been taking their life into their own hands. I cannot begin to imagine why they think it's ever okay to allow teachers to assault children, especially the disabled, under any circumstances. Then again, there isn't anything that cannot be justified in the name of Jesus.
You got that right. That abusive teacher would be found, lips down, in a parking lot. I have zero tolerance for bullying and abuse, especially of an extra-vulnerable child.
These lawmakers should be fired, if that's a thing that is possible. Or at the very least, never allowed to hold office again.
We here in north Texas like Oklahoma because it makes Texas look so much better. My grand daughter is a OU graduate. She loved the university, but couldn't wait to get out of Oklahoma.
the pearls' abuse manual caused the death of at least 3 children. Source, either Roll to disbelieve or Love, Joy, Feminism back on patheos. Maybe both.
As a former teacher, I’m struggling to imagine ever wanting to use a physical punishment, let alone have it sanctioned by the state. There are so many other creative classroom management methods available, other non-physical corrective options - why would it be necessary, let alone for a child with any kind of disability?!
There would be missing teachers if one should have been my child. They’d never find the body. Parents are supposed to protect their children from the likes of people like Jett.
Nearly happened to a teacher of someone I knew. He was slapped so strongly he lost hearing in one ear, let say his father was not happy. The victim was my grandfather, about a century ago.
That sounds like what happened to my dad, also starting about a century ago. He was left-handed. This was considered so "evil" that dad was subjected to non-stop abuse at school (by teachers). They beat him bloody, tied his left hand behind his back, forced him to write with his right hand, and lots more. I didn't know about what had happened til one summer 40 years later I saw dad wearing a swimsuit. He still had scars on his back and wrists. Nobody in his family cared what hand he used, as long as his chores got done. This abuse was apparently entirely school-driven, official educational policy. Oh, but being left-handed isn't a disability. Well, it was back then. And in the 1950s and 60s, I was beaten up regularly by other students for having a relatively minor physical disability, too. (Gee, I wonder where they got *that* idea? Teachers and administrators did nothing to stop the abuse, of course.) That this abuse is still going on, in 2024, is yet another example of these horrible people wanting to drag this country back as far as they can into the past. (See: outlawing abortion.) Just saying.
My aunt was disciplined in elementary school for being leftie. This woulda been 40's. But I think even at that time it was pretty rare - she only remembers one teacher out of all her grades doing it. My grandparents were pretty forceful about getting a good education for their girls though, so it coulda been 'grandpa stepped in when he heard about it' rather than 'only one teacher thought left-handedness was evil.'
She was lucky. According to my dad, all of his teachers thought being left-handed was "of the devil", and they meted out punishment accordingly. This would have been in the 1920s and 30s, and happened at all grade levels. He went to school in both Nevada and Utah. The abuse didn't carry on while he was in junior college, though. Nor did the Navy care what hand he used, during the war.
This was West Virginia, so not exactly a bastion of forward thinking enlightenment. But, then again 40s was wartime with its strong focus on pragmatism, and even without that a decade or two can make a huge difference (contrast gay rights 1995 with 2015).
Indeed. My niece is left-handed and never experienced this horror. She was born in the late 1980s, and in California. Funny how, re LGBT rights, some people are nostalgic for the pre-1970s, before I started college... Is there a pattern here?
If I lived in Oklahoma you'd be finding out with a quickness. It's hard enough getting the public school system in most states to do right by any child consistently (not that the religious indoctrination schools are doing a better job) but with needs kids it can feel impossible sometimes. If I'd had to worry about some asshole putting their hands on my kid there's no way I'd have been able to send her to school. Staffing and being suited for this type of position is of paramount importance. I don't think the majority of the actual teachers in these classrooms are even interested in corporal punishment regardless. Possibly not even the ones in Oklahoma.
If they are in a position of authority, then they would just be demonstrating their “love.” Spare the rod, spoil the educator and the politician…isn’t that what the magic book says, or did I get it wrong?
Of course not! Because that would be dishonoring your father and mother, which is like dishonoring God. And you know what happens to disobedient children? Deut 21:18-21 tells you... Where's the commandment saying "honor your children?" Proof that religion is propagated to control society and the masses.
I have lots of beads of different materials, also some strands of freshwater pearls I got back when eBay had good deals on such things! I guess chicken drumstick bones would be a good alternative to turkey wings. Especially since our oven doesn't work, lol.
"Jewish culture, Christian culture, and any common sense culture understands that if you don't discipline children, or you create a class of children that cannot be disciplined, those discipline problems are gonna cascade through the rest of society."
Most Jews I know are against corporal punishment aand would be aghast at your choice to cherry-pick a single verse in Proverbs to support it, dude. I'm also pretty sure they'd be deeply incensed on you weaponizing their entire culture like that, too.
On top of that, how screwed up do you have to be to think 'discipline' is equivalent to hitting? Are you that small minded that you can't think of any other positive or even negative reinforcement to change behavior? Good lord, what happened to 'stop doing that or we'll go inside.'
Agreed. And having read posts by Libby Anne and other former evangelicals talking about "parenting" and "child discipline" advice from people like the Pearls, I'll just note that there's a heck of a lot there to criticize. Certainly more than I intend to cover in a single comment. ;-) Suffice it to say I wouldn't let most of them near a rabid mongoose, let alone a human child.
Parenting is a hell of a drug. You've got complete control over this being and they will actually believe whatever you say, and think that you love them practically no matter what you do. You can be the tinpot dictator you've always daydreamed about being. Its both easy and, at times, very tempting to be that dictator. Fortunately, most parents both love and empathize enough with their kids that such thoughts never get by the 'brief dark thought; ignored; we now return you to our normal parenting' stage.
But, add in some authoritarian source that tells you to ignore your empathy, I can see how this can happen. Doesn't excuse it. Doesn't justify it. But I can at least say I understand how their religion drove them to it.
I wish I could even find something to snark about here- how Republicans always find new and fucked up ways to be even worse than we already thought they were, something like that- but this is one bit of awfulness they never even pretended to give up on. They've 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 been in favor of beating children. They literally think it's virtuous.
The GQP 𝘪𝘴 the party of child abuse. They defend corporal punishment; they fight tooth and nail against any effort to ban child marriage; they want to force children to endure pregnancy, no matter how it occurred or how dangerous it is to their health; they roll back laws restricting child labor; they take away school lunches, as though poor children are somehow to blame for their parents' economic circumstances; they replace school counselors with chaplains; they ban books from school libraries; they undermine education especially in science and history; they do everything in their power to stuff LGBTQ kids into either closets or coffins... there is not one single issue on which the Republican position is not diametrically opposed to the best interests of the children whose lives they claim to value. Not. Even. One.
And on abortion and what happens to the mother and child AFTER she gives birth? Here's Carlin's well-known take on kkkonservatives (beginning at 41 seconds in)
You are absolutely correct. They want to make child labor legal again, why because children don’t have unions and they don’t need much money. They don’t need breaks at work and they are so tender. Just right for the abusers to get them, rape them no matter if they are boys or girls. Only in America would they make laws for that behavior. Other countries are doing it too, however they don’t have laws for it. They fear how the world views them. America don’t give a damn.
“God's counsel is higher than the American Academy of Pediatrics.”
God’s counsel also described how to beat your slaves, his counsel is shit. There are innumerable instances where God’s counsel has harmed humanity in the Bible and by way of the church and Christians’ actions. We’ve got a couple of millennia worth of history to prove that.
I’m going to listen to the experts on child welfare over a book that was written by people who didn’t know where the sun went at night.
"God's counsel" is essentially for the strong to do as they please with the weak. Worthy of note, "the strong" were, virtually without exception, MEN. The weak were any who hadn't the means or the will to successfully confront them.
How many times have we seen a child who has finally grown weary of an adult's physical (and even verbal) abuse of them and snaps, resulting in the hospitalization or even the death of the abuser?
That rod of discipline has a tendency to be a boomerang.
(Dr. Spock, by the way, pushed for universal health care, the decriminalization of abortion and homosexuality, guaranteed income for families, and the end to the pointless war in Vietnam.)
There are better ways to discipline a child rather than always spanking them (Grounding them, sending them to the corner, forcing them to stay home rather than allowing them to go somewhere they like, putting them in detention, sending them to their room, not giving them any desert, take internet privileges away from them, etc.). Can't these stupid, delusional men who actually hate children understand this?
In schools, we can seek first to understand, as St Fran taught. Or we can use restorative justice. Or we can learn how to do our jobs better. But all this takes time and energy. If educators are not willing to get better to serve better, they need to get out and get help for their own issues.
To think conservatives would hesitate for one moment to pass laws- or carve out exemptions in existing laws- to restrict the rights of just one disfavored demographic is to be willfully ignorant of history. 𝘙𝘦𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 history, even- after decades of decrying calls for gun control following school shootings perpetrated by cis/het white men as reactionary lunacy, Fox News ran multiple segments calling for all trans people to be banned from owning firearms after 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘯𝘦 school shooting committed by a trans person. They've already shown their hand on this; no speculation is even needed.
Oh, SUPER! Let's train up a child in the way he should go, so that when he's an adult, he won't depart from that way ... even if he or she is a special needs kid who may or may not understand what's going on and cannot make the connection between action and supposed correction. These idiots are so determined to use their holy book to justify violence against minors (and invite who knows how many lawsuits!) that they resort to encoding the bible into law.
To answer the question, NO ... jackasses like Olsen and Randleman DON'T love their kids, not if they treat their own children like they'd have the school kids treated.
Whoever is bigger and stronger makes the rules and it’s okay for them to physically and emotionally abuse anyone who is smaller or unable to defend themselves.
And we see more and more of this in our society over the last say 25 years..... more violence, bullies, disrespect and assaults against women........ it stems from their violent religious beliefs (and misogyny, which of course also comes from the bible).
Several parents are spending decades in prison because of this. And the Pearl's only excuse they can come up with is that they didn't follow the book well when they in fact did. And as a result 3 children are dead from abuse and their parents are spending decades behind bars. That book must be banned permanently!
When I started teaching high school, around 1980 something the school I worked at had corporal punishment. It was all very formal, you had to have a witness, and you had to write it up in a book. There was one guy I discovered seem to take great pleasure in it – so I refused to be his witness any time. No point in reporting him everyone knew, and none of the authorities seemed to care. But a couple of years later we did a survey and found that 90% of the corporal punishment was being done by one particular guy. The resident jock – the PE teacher who would cane kids for forgetting their gear. So we stopped it. And the sky didn't fall. When we were discussing it I made the point that women teachers were not supposed to do corporal punishment, and seemed to get on okay. In spite of one or two complaints I didn't notice discipline getting any worse. Most of the kids who misbehaved didn't think far enough ahead to figure out consequences. I later moved to a place that had abolished it years ago. No huge problems with that either. But then we didn't have any excessively religious nutcases on the staff saying spare the rod spoil the child. Fuckwits.
I did teaching field experiences all around Denver Metro area, none of the schools had corporal punishment and some were inner city that had active gang members in attendance. I had rival gang members in the same classes at times. Even as a wide eyed naive student teacher, I never felt the need to resort to violence. And only Aurora High School had a police presence, but it was only blocks away from the mall where there have been multiple mass shootings.
That trumps me – all I had was gang prospects. Having said that, I taught one murderer and one rapist – that I know of. And unfortunately two suicides.
I worked in Oklahoma for several years, and had friends with kids in school (middle school) that allowed their kids to be "paddled", but they hit them too, with belts and hands, so this was just a continuation of life at home.
I would never let anyone do that to my kids, what if you've got some creeper teacher that gets off on it? Ugh.
I have been teaching special education for 23 years. First of all, they are not “special needs students.” They are students with educational disabilities. Every student should be provided a free, appropriate, public education in the least restrictive environment. No students should ever be subjected to corporal punishment. All behavior is communication. Our job is to help children communicate more effectively; not beat them because they lack skills to do so. This man is evil. Tenet three: One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
Thank you for that correction. I'll fix that in the article and try not to use that phrase in the future.
Thank you for the work you do, Hemant. I look forward to your posts every day and the pod every week. Loving Revelations! I sort of don’t want it to end. 😏
Thank you for doing such important work! My kid's IEP meeting is tomorrow, so FAPE was already on my mind.
If you need any support understanding your rights or advocating for your child, please message me. 🫶🏼
Aw! You're the best! She's in 7th grade now and only needs SLP and accommodations for anxiety. She has hypotonic CP and it was the early years when her balance was an issue and she was still having some gross motor delays that were the worst. Not enough to get PT through the district after EI but still needing it 2-3 times a week. Out of all the potential outcomes I'm not complaining about ours, I feel like we won the lottery.
As she nears graduation, you might want to consider a 504 plan, as ADA applies in more settings than IDEA.
❤️ We have thought about it in the past, my husband works at a university here but he still can't tell me what happens to IEPs in college. I'm guessing this is where that comes to be important? She can attend that school for free (University of Louisville) but I really want her to try for Berea if she's still interested in it when she's older.
Check with the colleges’ offices of disability. They should have supports in place for Section 504. IEPs go away after high school, because public education is no longer required. Also, find info from OCR. https://www.hhs.gov/civil-rights/for-individuals/index.html
Also make sure her transition IEP is robust to really put her in the best spot to advocate for herself and access resources. You can have all that put into transition plan.
𝐴𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
And just WHAT kind of communication are idiot-children like Olsen and Randleman doing with the kids who would be subject to this new law? The answer is left as an exercise for the student.
Communicating ignorance, fear, and power-driven ego is my guess.
That, too.
Bullying is ok.
BINGO! I'd say that you won the rubber cheroot, except that you already have one (albeit a VIRTUAL cheroot! 😁).
It’s encouraged! It’s “love.”
My mother knew this kind of parental love. So when her father died, her maternal grandfather forced his daughter to give him custody rights. It was some of the best years of my mother life.
Hail you!
🤘🏼
Evidently, he wants to legalize child abuse in the name of his magic book. The same book that gives tacit approval for rape and human slavery. Any teacher who struck one of my children would have been taking their life into their own hands. I cannot begin to imagine why they think it's ever okay to allow teachers to assault children, especially the disabled, under any circumstances. Then again, there isn't anything that cannot be justified in the name of Jesus.
You got that right. That abusive teacher would be found, lips down, in a parking lot. I have zero tolerance for bullying and abuse, especially of an extra-vulnerable child.
These lawmakers should be fired, if that's a thing that is possible. Or at the very least, never allowed to hold office again.
It's Oklahoma. Keep your expectations low.
43rd "Best State to Live In." Can't imagine why when it should be so much worse.
We here in north Texas like Oklahoma because it makes Texas look so much better. My grand daughter is a OU graduate. She loved the university, but couldn't wait to get out of Oklahoma.
Closest I ever got to Oklahoma was Sheppard AFB in Wichita Falls (I was there for 5 weeks of Tech School). That was close enough for me.
the pearls' abuse manual caused the death of at least 3 children. Source, either Roll to disbelieve or Love, Joy, Feminism back on patheos. Maybe both.
As a former teacher, I’m struggling to imagine ever wanting to use a physical punishment, let alone have it sanctioned by the state. There are so many other creative classroom management methods available, other non-physical corrective options - why would it be necessary, let alone for a child with any kind of disability?!
What is wrong with these people?
There would be missing teachers if one should have been my child. They’d never find the body. Parents are supposed to protect their children from the likes of people like Jett.
So would it be ok for the Parents of those children to Hit Back? Just wondering.
Nearly happened to a teacher of someone I knew. He was slapped so strongly he lost hearing in one ear, let say his father was not happy. The victim was my grandfather, about a century ago.
That sounds like what happened to my dad, also starting about a century ago. He was left-handed. This was considered so "evil" that dad was subjected to non-stop abuse at school (by teachers). They beat him bloody, tied his left hand behind his back, forced him to write with his right hand, and lots more. I didn't know about what had happened til one summer 40 years later I saw dad wearing a swimsuit. He still had scars on his back and wrists. Nobody in his family cared what hand he used, as long as his chores got done. This abuse was apparently entirely school-driven, official educational policy. Oh, but being left-handed isn't a disability. Well, it was back then. And in the 1950s and 60s, I was beaten up regularly by other students for having a relatively minor physical disability, too. (Gee, I wonder where they got *that* idea? Teachers and administrators did nothing to stop the abuse, of course.) That this abuse is still going on, in 2024, is yet another example of these horrible people wanting to drag this country back as far as they can into the past. (See: outlawing abortion.) Just saying.
My aunt was disciplined in elementary school for being leftie. This woulda been 40's. But I think even at that time it was pretty rare - she only remembers one teacher out of all her grades doing it. My grandparents were pretty forceful about getting a good education for their girls though, so it coulda been 'grandpa stepped in when he heard about it' rather than 'only one teacher thought left-handedness was evil.'
She was lucky. According to my dad, all of his teachers thought being left-handed was "of the devil", and they meted out punishment accordingly. This would have been in the 1920s and 30s, and happened at all grade levels. He went to school in both Nevada and Utah. The abuse didn't carry on while he was in junior college, though. Nor did the Navy care what hand he used, during the war.
This was West Virginia, so not exactly a bastion of forward thinking enlightenment. But, then again 40s was wartime with its strong focus on pragmatism, and even without that a decade or two can make a huge difference (contrast gay rights 1995 with 2015).
Indeed. My niece is left-handed and never experienced this horror. She was born in the late 1980s, and in California. Funny how, re LGBT rights, some people are nostalgic for the pre-1970s, before I started college... Is there a pattern here?
If I lived in Oklahoma you'd be finding out with a quickness. It's hard enough getting the public school system in most states to do right by any child consistently (not that the religious indoctrination schools are doing a better job) but with needs kids it can feel impossible sometimes. If I'd had to worry about some asshole putting their hands on my kid there's no way I'd have been able to send her to school. Staffing and being suited for this type of position is of paramount importance. I don't think the majority of the actual teachers in these classrooms are even interested in corporal punishment regardless. Possibly not even the ones in Oklahoma.
If they are in a position of authority, then they would just be demonstrating their “love.” Spare the rod, spoil the educator and the politician…isn’t that what the magic book says, or did I get it wrong?
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Of course not! Because that would be dishonoring your father and mother, which is like dishonoring God. And you know what happens to disobedient children? Deut 21:18-21 tells you... Where's the commandment saying "honor your children?" Proof that religion is propagated to control society and the masses.
Shane Jett appears to have some difficulties in cognition and reasoning. Someone should beat the crap out of him. To show him some love, of course.
I have a belt I don't use anymore who can do the job. It's a Navajo one made of bones.
I have a belt that can be used. It looks just like a large rock, and that's because it is a large rock.
🤣🤣🤣
Si Maltnohops et toi n'existaient pas, il faudrait vous inventer.
I would like to see a belt made of bones. It sounds like the sort of thing I like!
I will have to find it first. I lost more than 30 kg since I bought it and didn't used it since about 2010 😅
Not the belt but I bought this the same year. They are nearly identical in style
https://ibb.co/CbhtJJ6
Ah, I see. I could probably make one like that, but I'd have to eat a lot of turkey wings. (no complaint, I like those)
If it can help, the pearls and discs are made of wood. I guess you will have to eat a lot of skewers 🤔
I have lots of beads of different materials, also some strands of freshwater pearls I got back when eBay had good deals on such things! I guess chicken drumstick bones would be a good alternative to turkey wings. Especially since our oven doesn't work, lol.
Perfect
"Jewish culture, Christian culture, and any common sense culture understands that if you don't discipline children, or you create a class of children that cannot be disciplined, those discipline problems are gonna cascade through the rest of society."
Most Jews I know are against corporal punishment aand would be aghast at your choice to cherry-pick a single verse in Proverbs to support it, dude. I'm also pretty sure they'd be deeply incensed on you weaponizing their entire culture like that, too.
On top of that, how screwed up do you have to be to think 'discipline' is equivalent to hitting? Are you that small minded that you can't think of any other positive or even negative reinforcement to change behavior? Good lord, what happened to 'stop doing that or we'll go inside.'
Agreed. And having read posts by Libby Anne and other former evangelicals talking about "parenting" and "child discipline" advice from people like the Pearls, I'll just note that there's a heck of a lot there to criticize. Certainly more than I intend to cover in a single comment. ;-) Suffice it to say I wouldn't let most of them near a rabid mongoose, let alone a human child.
Parenting is a hell of a drug. You've got complete control over this being and they will actually believe whatever you say, and think that you love them practically no matter what you do. You can be the tinpot dictator you've always daydreamed about being. Its both easy and, at times, very tempting to be that dictator. Fortunately, most parents both love and empathize enough with their kids that such thoughts never get by the 'brief dark thought; ignored; we now return you to our normal parenting' stage.
But, add in some authoritarian source that tells you to ignore your empathy, I can see how this can happen. Doesn't excuse it. Doesn't justify it. But I can at least say I understand how their religion drove them to it.
James Dobson also pushes this kind of “loving” discipline.
Definitely! And many others.
The guy who says that fathers should shower with their sons "so they won't become gay." *rolls eyes*
Is that the same as Mr "I watch porn with my son"?
Has anyone seen Johnson and Dobson together in the same room?
But it is not just one verse.
Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Proverbs 23:13
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Proverbs 29:15
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
As the celebrated mathematician C.L. Dodgson said "What I tell you three times is true." Hunting of the Snark: Fit the First. The better advice is in
Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
This does not prescribe brutality.
Yeah, those verses are in the Jewish scriptures but most Jews aren’t literalists like this guy in OK.
Remember, showing kids a book that has two male penguins raising a baby in the zoo is child abuse. But hitting children is not child abuse.
It is displaying love, kkkrister style.
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Read them that book - bad.
Hit them with that book - good.
Thanx.
I wish I could even find something to snark about here- how Republicans always find new and fucked up ways to be even worse than we already thought they were, something like that- but this is one bit of awfulness they never even pretended to give up on. They've 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 been in favor of beating children. They literally think it's virtuous.
The GQP 𝘪𝘴 the party of child abuse. They defend corporal punishment; they fight tooth and nail against any effort to ban child marriage; they want to force children to endure pregnancy, no matter how it occurred or how dangerous it is to their health; they roll back laws restricting child labor; they take away school lunches, as though poor children are somehow to blame for their parents' economic circumstances; they replace school counselors with chaplains; they ban books from school libraries; they undermine education especially in science and history; they do everything in their power to stuff LGBTQ kids into either closets or coffins... there is not one single issue on which the Republican position is not diametrically opposed to the best interests of the children whose lives they claim to value. Not. Even. One.
And on abortion and what happens to the mother and child AFTER she gives birth? Here's Carlin's well-known take on kkkonservatives (beginning at 41 seconds in)
https://youtu.be/vkMbMidsYIM
You are absolutely correct. They want to make child labor legal again, why because children don’t have unions and they don’t need much money. They don’t need breaks at work and they are so tender. Just right for the abusers to get them, rape them no matter if they are boys or girls. Only in America would they make laws for that behavior. Other countries are doing it too, however they don’t have laws for it. They fear how the world views them. America don’t give a damn.
If they can get enough children into the workforce, the US won't need those brown people from south of the border to do menial jobs.
“God's counsel is higher than the American Academy of Pediatrics.”
God’s counsel also described how to beat your slaves, his counsel is shit. There are innumerable instances where God’s counsel has harmed humanity in the Bible and by way of the church and Christians’ actions. We’ve got a couple of millennia worth of history to prove that.
I’m going to listen to the experts on child welfare over a book that was written by people who didn’t know where the sun went at night.
"God's counsel" is essentially for the strong to do as they please with the weak. Worthy of note, "the strong" were, virtually without exception, MEN. The weak were any who hadn't the means or the will to successfully confront them.
Put simply, the tyranny of the powerful.
Too bad we can't see how these strong men would fare against Fu Hao or some of Genghis Khan's daughters.
Shoot, I can think of some gals in my Tang Soo Do class, back in college, that they wouldn't want to run onto!
TSD red belt here. You damn betcha I was someone they wouldn't want to run into!
But, "the meek shall inherit the earth."
I guess that's the carrot in their stick & carrot theology.
How many times have we seen a child who has finally grown weary of an adult's physical (and even verbal) abuse of them and snaps, resulting in the hospitalization or even the death of the abuser?
That rod of discipline has a tendency to be a boomerang.
But mostly they just end up a damaged adult paying that damage forward.
(Dr. Spock, by the way, pushed for universal health care, the decriminalization of abortion and homosexuality, guaranteed income for families, and the end to the pointless war in Vietnam.)
What a monster, right?
(mutters) Damn commie...
Never trust a commie Vulcan. Fucking pointed-eared, green-blooder.
There are better ways to discipline a child rather than always spanking them (Grounding them, sending them to the corner, forcing them to stay home rather than allowing them to go somewhere they like, putting them in detention, sending them to their room, not giving them any desert, take internet privileges away from them, etc.). Can't these stupid, delusional men who actually hate children understand this?
No, apparently not.
Very likely, they're looking for an excuse to do to their kids what their parents did to them.
In schools, we can seek first to understand, as St Fran taught. Or we can use restorative justice. Or we can learn how to do our jobs better. But all this takes time and energy. If educators are not willing to get better to serve better, they need to get out and get help for their own issues.
While Oklahoma is debating about when and where to hit and not hit kids, they're ranked 48th in Education. 48th in Health Care, as well. Coincidence?
21 O.S. § 1289.25 (OSCN 2024), Oklahoma Firearms Act of 1971, section D:
"𝐴 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑓𝑢𝑙 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑎𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑠ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑑𝑢𝑡𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒, 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒, 𝑖𝑓 ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑠𝑜 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ 𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑏𝑜𝑑𝑖𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑖𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓 𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓 𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟..."
Stand your ground, kids, stand your ground.
How quickly do you suppose SYG laws would be repealed should 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 people¹ avail themselves of such provisions of law?
(¹ Heathens, alphabets, melanin-rich, etc.)
To think conservatives would hesitate for one moment to pass laws- or carve out exemptions in existing laws- to restrict the rights of just one disfavored demographic is to be willfully ignorant of history. 𝘙𝘦𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 history, even- after decades of decrying calls for gun control following school shootings perpetrated by cis/het white men as reactionary lunacy, Fox News ran multiple segments calling for all trans people to be banned from owning firearms after 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘯𝘦 school shooting committed by a trans person. They've already shown their hand on this; no speculation is even needed.
Unless of course you cross state lines with an assault rifle looking for trouble.
Oh, SUPER! Let's train up a child in the way he should go, so that when he's an adult, he won't depart from that way ... even if he or she is a special needs kid who may or may not understand what's going on and cannot make the connection between action and supposed correction. These idiots are so determined to use their holy book to justify violence against minors (and invite who knows how many lawsuits!) that they resort to encoding the bible into law.
𝐴𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛?
To answer the question, NO ... jackasses like Olsen and Randleman DON'T love their kids, not if they treat their own children like they'd have the school kids treated.
The Pearls are monsters. They beat up kids beginning at three or six months old.
Stipulated and no argument. All the kids learn really is that it's okay to HIT.
Whoever is bigger and stronger makes the rules and it’s okay for them to physically and emotionally abuse anyone who is smaller or unable to defend themselves.
What was it that Qui-Gon Jinn said back when? Oh, yeah:
"There's always a bigger fish." Those who would bully the smaller and lesser enabled, note well.
And we see more and more of this in our society over the last say 25 years..... more violence, bullies, disrespect and assaults against women........ it stems from their violent religious beliefs (and misogyny, which of course also comes from the bible).
Several parents are spending decades in prison because of this. And the Pearl's only excuse they can come up with is that they didn't follow the book well when they in fact did. And as a result 3 children are dead from abuse and their parents are spending decades behind bars. That book must be banned permanently!
When I started teaching high school, around 1980 something the school I worked at had corporal punishment. It was all very formal, you had to have a witness, and you had to write it up in a book. There was one guy I discovered seem to take great pleasure in it – so I refused to be his witness any time. No point in reporting him everyone knew, and none of the authorities seemed to care. But a couple of years later we did a survey and found that 90% of the corporal punishment was being done by one particular guy. The resident jock – the PE teacher who would cane kids for forgetting their gear. So we stopped it. And the sky didn't fall. When we were discussing it I made the point that women teachers were not supposed to do corporal punishment, and seemed to get on okay. In spite of one or two complaints I didn't notice discipline getting any worse. Most of the kids who misbehaved didn't think far enough ahead to figure out consequences. I later moved to a place that had abolished it years ago. No huge problems with that either. But then we didn't have any excessively religious nutcases on the staff saying spare the rod spoil the child. Fuckwits.
I did teaching field experiences all around Denver Metro area, none of the schools had corporal punishment and some were inner city that had active gang members in attendance. I had rival gang members in the same classes at times. Even as a wide eyed naive student teacher, I never felt the need to resort to violence. And only Aurora High School had a police presence, but it was only blocks away from the mall where there have been multiple mass shootings.
That trumps me – all I had was gang prospects. Having said that, I taught one murderer and one rapist – that I know of. And unfortunately two suicides.
I worked in Oklahoma for several years, and had friends with kids in school (middle school) that allowed their kids to be "paddled", but they hit them too, with belts and hands, so this was just a continuation of life at home.
I would never let anyone do that to my kids, what if you've got some creeper teacher that gets off on it? Ugh.
Yep. My middle school in California used to paddle the boys that got out of line. I don’t believe they ever used it on the girls. Still wrong.