We have a serious problem in this country with correctly identifying terrorism when the perpetrators are white and Christian.
If an Imam anywhere in the US started spouting calls for mass murder like those and posting them online, the FBI, NSA, and the whole rest of the alphabet soup would be all over him, his mosque, and its entire congregation like flies on dog shit. They'd all instantly land on the no-fly list and every official and unofficial watchlist in existence, and everyone who so much as looked up the sermon online would live the rest of their life with a microscope up their ass, just in case they ever so much as glanced in the general direction of something resembling a weapon. Every show on Fox News would need an extra towel-boy on set just to clean the hosts' spittle off the camera lenses in between screaming sessions.
These are calls for genocide. This is not hyperbole: look at the definition of genocide in the genocide convention (of which the US is a signatory.) "Inflicting upon members of the group conditions of life calculated to result in its destruction in whole or in part " is part of the definition. Also, look at the acts that are punishable under the genocide convention; they include *incitement to commit genocide.* True, the convention covers governmental actions, but anybody who is paying attention knows that members of Congress, governors, and other government officials are using the same language as these hate preachers, and they aren't even trying to cover it up. Am I overreacting?
When calling for the murder of Jews and LGBTQ people gets him into too much trouble, he'll turn his venom onto atheists. He will have, for a while at least, a larger sympathetic audience.
Anybody here wanna remind Shelley that, presuming he ever existed at all, Jesus was a Jew? [he shakes his head and groans]
The only thing scarier than a sermon like Shelley's is that he has what I presume to be an attentive audience, who approves of what he has to say and may in fact be spurred on to act on his words. On top of that, I wouldn't expect any local or perhaps even state authorities in Idaho to take any kind of meaningful action against Shelley, which only makes matters worse.
And here I am, wondering when or if anyone is going to bell this cat.
Christianity, still a virulent poison to humankind after all these years. It seems to produce some of the most hateful, bigoted people. And as the Bible says, "you shall know them by their fruits". The fruit tree of Christianity died and remains dead. It is bereft of virtue, devoid of rationality and riddled with division, hate and sectarian bickering. Yes, "you shall know them by their fruits".
βThese preachers always insist theyβre not encouraging vigilantism. They insist theyβre not asking anyone to pull a trigger themselves. They get mad when people say theyβre calling for the murder of gay people. Thatβs not true, they argue. Theyβre just saying that, in a righteous world, the government would do their faith-based dirty work for them.β
Yeah, but, this speech had none of that. He said people have to die and itβs us or them. He didnβt say that itβs the governments job, he didnβt even say that it was gods job. He said god is punishing them and they need to die. This wasnβt a dog whistle, this was a bullhorn. There is no plausible deniability in this speech.
I must admit his sermon confuses me. If being gay is the punishment, what's it the punishment *for*? Let me guess, 'being gay.' Because logic is for chumps.
βIt's so unnatural. It's so repulsive. And it's so disgusting. And it's so evil. And it's so reprobate.β
Loving other people is disgusting, evil, and reprobate?
β¦
βYou have to get them to realize that the f*gs and the Jews are of the devil. And if we want to have true righteousness, and we want to love God in this country, we have to eliminate these individualsβ
But eliminating them is the epitome of goodness?
Fuck that shit.
I donβt want to eliminate people, I want to eliminate thinking that leads to eliminating people. That is what I consider disgusting, evil, and reprobate.
We have a serious problem in this country with correctly identifying terrorism when the perpetrators are white and Christian.
If an Imam anywhere in the US started spouting calls for mass murder like those and posting them online, the FBI, NSA, and the whole rest of the alphabet soup would be all over him, his mosque, and its entire congregation like flies on dog shit. They'd all instantly land on the no-fly list and every official and unofficial watchlist in existence, and everyone who so much as looked up the sermon online would live the rest of their life with a microscope up their ass, just in case they ever so much as glanced in the general direction of something resembling a weapon. Every show on Fox News would need an extra towel-boy on set just to clean the hosts' spittle off the camera lenses in between screaming sessions.
We've quite literally flattened city blocks in π°π΅π©π¦π³ countries for less.
And yet, when a Christian preacher does it...
Crickets. Everywhere, the deafening sound of crickets.
These are calls for genocide. This is not hyperbole: look at the definition of genocide in the genocide convention (of which the US is a signatory.) "Inflicting upon members of the group conditions of life calculated to result in its destruction in whole or in part " is part of the definition. Also, look at the acts that are punishable under the genocide convention; they include *incitement to commit genocide.* True, the convention covers governmental actions, but anybody who is paying attention knows that members of Congress, governors, and other government officials are using the same language as these hate preachers, and they aren't even trying to cover it up. Am I overreacting?
It is murder. If looking at a woman with lust in your heart is adultery, then this is murder (the thought is the deed)
We're next.
When calling for the murder of Jews and LGBTQ people gets him into too much trouble, he'll turn his venom onto atheists. He will have, for a while at least, a larger sympathetic audience.
Jonathan Mach Shnell-ey, Nazi for Jesus.
Did this goosestepper forget that Jesus was Jewish.
Anybody here wanna remind Shelley that, presuming he ever existed at all, Jesus was a Jew? [he shakes his head and groans]
The only thing scarier than a sermon like Shelley's is that he has what I presume to be an attentive audience, who approves of what he has to say and may in fact be spurred on to act on his words. On top of that, I wouldn't expect any local or perhaps even state authorities in Idaho to take any kind of meaningful action against Shelley, which only makes matters worse.
And here I am, wondering when or if anyone is going to bell this cat.
How quickly would his head explode if he found out that it was the ππ’π΅π©π°ππͺπ€π΄ who started the "Jews are the Synagogue of Satan" bullshit?
Christianity, still a virulent poison to humankind after all these years. It seems to produce some of the most hateful, bigoted people. And as the Bible says, "you shall know them by their fruits". The fruit tree of Christianity died and remains dead. It is bereft of virtue, devoid of rationality and riddled with division, hate and sectarian bickering. Yes, "you shall know them by their fruits".
Notice how they were only worried about the sermon that mentioned the Jews. YouTube is apparently fine with calls for LGBT people to be executed.
He wants to kill jews? Does he not realize their big guy was a jew?
"the right-wing site Rumble"
They can't even spell "rubble" correctly.
And bravo for the skill of being antisemitic while quoting ot π
βThese preachers always insist theyβre not encouraging vigilantism. They insist theyβre not asking anyone to pull a trigger themselves. They get mad when people say theyβre calling for the murder of gay people. Thatβs not true, they argue. Theyβre just saying that, in a righteous world, the government would do their faith-based dirty work for them.β
Yeah, but, this speech had none of that. He said people have to die and itβs us or them. He didnβt say that itβs the governments job, he didnβt even say that it was gods job. He said god is punishing them and they need to die. This wasnβt a dog whistle, this was a bullhorn. There is no plausible deniability in this speech.
I must admit his sermon confuses me. If being gay is the punishment, what's it the punishment *for*? Let me guess, 'being gay.' Because logic is for chumps.
"We cannot allow them to survive."
Tell ya what, Jonny. How about we flip that to read "We cannot allow Christians to survive." How's it taste now?
Looks like a great running mate for Trump in 2024. Meets all the MAGA requirements.
βIt's so unnatural. It's so repulsive. And it's so disgusting. And it's so evil. And it's so reprobate.β
Loving other people is disgusting, evil, and reprobate?
β¦
βYou have to get them to realize that the f*gs and the Jews are of the devil. And if we want to have true righteousness, and we want to love God in this country, we have to eliminate these individualsβ
But eliminating them is the epitome of goodness?
Fuck that shit.
I donβt want to eliminate people, I want to eliminate thinking that leads to eliminating people. That is what I consider disgusting, evil, and reprobate.