This is about as compelling an argument as could be made for keeping religion out of government. Once the true-believer becomes convinced they are operating under divine sanction, they are capable of any horror imaginable.
True believers can be found in every religion, ideology or mass movement. They are willing to do horrible things because they know they are right and want to impose their views upon everyone else. That's why the separation of church and state is a good thing.
The men who wrote the U.S. Constitution knew their European history, and wanted no repeat of the religious violence that had plagued Europe for centuries.
That's part of it. They also wished to preserve power in the "right" hands. At least in the beginning. I cannot know the minds of dead men except for their written words. Maybe they would've thought a voting woman would've been a good idea. But an Indigenous Person - that's going to far!
Dan Barker, who was an on-fire for Christ evangelist minister for nearly two decades, was told by Christians that he was never a true Christian. He gave them his credentials and said "If I was not a true Christian then no one is."
> " was told by Christians that he was never a true Christian"
I find it so very strange that their patter NEVER varies, not the least little bit. It seems to me that if they really were inspired by Yahweh, or the Holy Spirit, or whoever the fuck, they'd be at least a bit more interesting to listen to. (Just look at all the ancient writers inspired by the Muses.) But no, it's always the same damn thing, over and over again. A truly benevolent God would have handed down a commandment against being a bore.
No. They may be believers whose lives don't match up with their faith in my opinion. It's not deflecting to point out that true believers are a threat to the rest of us regardless of the basis for their belief. Those killed by the true believers in Communism are just as dead as those killed by the true believers in Christianity.
They are believers whose lives don't match up with *your* faith. Their lives match up to their own faith just fine. And while fascist racist Nazism is a 20th century invention, it is arguably the case that Isaac's Christianity matches up with the European Christianity of 300s-1700s more than yours does. After all, the crusaders, Torquemada, Martin Luther....these were not equality-promoting guys.
Of course it doesn't have to be that way. MLK was Christian. Isaac Anderson is Christian. By all means you go out there and try and change all the Isaac Anderson Christians into MLK Christians. But until you accomplish that, don't claim "their life matches their Christian faith" is only MLKs and not Isaac Andersons. It's both.
And yeah lots of people were killed by true believing bolsheviks. But bolsheviks aren't a threat to the freedom of gays and blacks in 2023 America. Isaac Anderson Christians are.
You just said they are true believers. And repeated it.
It didn't need pointing out. Nobody denies that. This article was specifically about these particular christians. Your like a teenager that get caught doing something bad and saying "everyone was doing it". It's not about everyone, it's about you.
It needed to be pointed out because I thought that this forum was more than about "Christians behaving badly". I have run into true believer atheists. True believers are threats to everyone.
Jesus Christ, you never stop and never give up, do you? Let's not focus on the Andersons and their ilk, let's talk about commies, or atheists. Who's that I see in the distance, heading right toward us? Can it be "atheist" Adolf Hitler?
David, you and I would agree on this. Those killed by the true believers and communism are just as dead as those killed by the true believers in Christianity.
But there is a MORAL difference, and that's why I prefer the true believer communists to the true believer Christians, although that is a bit like saying that I prefer cyanide to strychnine. Communists of that sort represent the supremacy of the power of the state, where the state becomes just like God, except for the magic and the myths and the miracles. Christians of that sort represent the power of the state fornicating with the moral authority of the loving, incredibly moral, infinite creator of the entire infinite universe. A Communist would never say "I am torturing you and murdering you because I love you so much and morality, nay, righteousness, dictates that I do this." That type of Christian also represents the supremacy of the power of the state, but with an extra dollop of God loves you.
Very fortunately, annihilating those that refuse to bend the knee is not at all a horrible thing - it is, in fact, a sign of the highest and most pure and perfect love.
I guarantee you that sonny-boy's bare-assed goose-stepping is a window into what daddy dearest taught him at home, even if Senior might be reticent to bring all of it to the pulpit. The shit never falls far from the sphincter.
Daddy has to worry that openly praising Hitler might turn off a few of his congregation, ie. hurt the bottom line. Sonny Boy is under no such constraint.
Also Anderson: the Holocaust didn’t happen, the Nazis couldn’t possibly have cremated all those Jews.
Anderson Jr: there’s nothing wrong with being a Nazi. Genocide is a good thing. I’m a good person. I only want to to kill people my genocidal god tells me to.
Anderson Sr: it’s unfair to attack my son who’s advocating murdering people for inherent traits.
Sick fucks. I want to call them the subhuman barbarians, but sadly, they’re all too human. But they certainly are the bad guys we should be protecting the good people from.
But those aren't direct incitement, so to do anything would violate their right to free speech. Thor forbid, we protect the rights of LGBT, Jewish, black, or atheist people from the harm his 'indirect' threats cause.
So it’s unfair to attack his adult child? Well, Steve, (insert the ass from The Waterboy, making his hehaw bray here) then I’m going to attack you for breeding a fucking literal proud Nazi. You’re an asshole , you’re The Asshole. He is only going where you lead him. So fuck you for being a Nazi. Have the death you deserve.
Father and son have the intellectual horsepower of algae. Their hate is likely underpinned by their own insecurities. I suspect that the depravity of these people is economically profitable which is a sad commentary on our society.
If he says "there's not a single racist bone in me" yet approve this son's foul racist, Nazi ways, you can clearly bet he's lying and he does support his son's Nazism which heavily involves racism. Not to mention genocide, the holocaust (despite his denials), exterminations of gays, Jews, etc.
Most of the racists people I 've meant don't think they're racists. Because in their mind, racisms is unjustified hatred, and they feel their hatred is completely justified.
On the TBT forums, a guy would frequently make racist comments and then deny he is a racist when called on it. One time, after I called him out on it, he replied, "I'm not a racist because I have never 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 discriminated against anyone." Which I seriously doubt. That's when I realized racists define racism in such a way that their racism isn't racist.
They also recognize that racists/bigots are bad people, and since they are a "good person," they can't be a racist or a bigot.
Creationists don't think they're racists either, constantly blaming evolution for all of racism while harboring true forms of racism inside their bodies. BTW, Did you know that Henry Morris, the founder of the modern creationist movement, was a die-hard racist who only blame evolution for racism as a projection of himself?
The Bible literally discusses all kinds of people that were not Christian, no where are christians even mentioned in the Bible, but Christians are the first people. Sounds about right.
Reading this piece and seeing that Isaac was home-schooled makes me wonder just WHAT was the content of that homeschooling. Take it a step further, it makes me wish that homeschooling were under SOME kind of government supervision, which of course would go over with people like the Anderson's like the proverbial lead balloon. But this example goes even further than that. The way Isaac talks about anyone OTHER, the complete seeming lack of any vestige of empathy. I do indeed find that genuinely disturbing.
There was always a sort of cosy relationship between the Christian religion and fascism. Although to be honest I'm surprised he's so open about it – the quiet part is being said out loud more and more often these days it seems to me.
"Time to reopen and fill the camps with these degenerate third worlders."
You can just fuck right off, you degenerate asswipe. Third worlders? Your own god told his followers not to mistreat foreigners living among them. He told them they must treat those foreigners as native-born and to love them.
But what do you know of love? Look at daddy. Then look in a mirror.
It’s ironic, isn’t it, that religionists will attack atheists for ‘look what happened in atheist Nazi Germany’ then yearn for its return!
The genocidal horrors of the twentieth century, be it Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Franco (especially!) were, at least in part, the product of religion and certainly not the result of its absence.
This is about as compelling an argument as could be made for keeping religion out of government. Once the true-believer becomes convinced they are operating under divine sanction, they are capable of any horror imaginable.
True believers can be found in every religion, ideology or mass movement. They are willing to do horrible things because they know they are right and want to impose their views upon everyone else. That's why the separation of church and state is a good thing.
The men who wrote the U.S. Constitution knew their European history, and wanted no repeat of the religious violence that had plagued Europe for centuries.
And yet, there are those among us who would like to bring those days back. Of course, they always assume that they'll come out on top.
That's part of it. They also wished to preserve power in the "right" hands. At least in the beginning. I cannot know the minds of dead men except for their written words. Maybe they would've thought a voting woman would've been a good idea. But an Indigenous Person - that's going to far!
So, non-racist believers are false believers?
Also, your deflective whataboutism is showing again.
Knew I wasn't the only one hearing bagpipes.
Somehow, true believers aren't true christians, I guess???
Dan Barker, who was an on-fire for Christ evangelist minister for nearly two decades, was told by Christians that he was never a true Christian. He gave them his credentials and said "If I was not a true Christian then no one is."
They had no comeback.
> " was told by Christians that he was never a true Christian"
I find it so very strange that their patter NEVER varies, not the least little bit. It seems to me that if they really were inspired by Yahweh, or the Holy Spirit, or whoever the fuck, they'd be at least a bit more interesting to listen to. (Just look at all the ancient writers inspired by the Muses.) But no, it's always the same damn thing, over and over again. A truly benevolent God would have handed down a commandment against being a bore.
No. They may be believers whose lives don't match up with their faith in my opinion. It's not deflecting to point out that true believers are a threat to the rest of us regardless of the basis for their belief. Those killed by the true believers in Communism are just as dead as those killed by the true believers in Christianity.
They are believers whose lives don't match up with *your* faith. Their lives match up to their own faith just fine. And while fascist racist Nazism is a 20th century invention, it is arguably the case that Isaac's Christianity matches up with the European Christianity of 300s-1700s more than yours does. After all, the crusaders, Torquemada, Martin Luther....these were not equality-promoting guys.
It may match up better but are you saying that it has to be that way?
Of course it doesn't have to be that way. MLK was Christian. Isaac Anderson is Christian. By all means you go out there and try and change all the Isaac Anderson Christians into MLK Christians. But until you accomplish that, don't claim "their life matches their Christian faith" is only MLKs and not Isaac Andersons. It's both.
And yeah lots of people were killed by true believing bolsheviks. But bolsheviks aren't a threat to the freedom of gays and blacks in 2023 America. Isaac Anderson Christians are.
You just said they are true believers. And repeated it.
It didn't need pointing out. Nobody denies that. This article was specifically about these particular christians. Your like a teenager that get caught doing something bad and saying "everyone was doing it". It's not about everyone, it's about you.
DG doesn't get that "They did it, toooo!" is neither an excuse nor a justification.
It needed to be pointed out because I thought that this forum was more than about "Christians behaving badly". I have run into true believer atheists. True believers are threats to everyone.
Jesus Christ, you never stop and never give up, do you? Let's not focus on the Andersons and their ilk, let's talk about commies, or atheists. Who's that I see in the distance, heading right toward us? Can it be "atheist" Adolf Hitler?
David, you and I would agree on this. Those killed by the true believers and communism are just as dead as those killed by the true believers in Christianity.
But there is a MORAL difference, and that's why I prefer the true believer communists to the true believer Christians, although that is a bit like saying that I prefer cyanide to strychnine. Communists of that sort represent the supremacy of the power of the state, where the state becomes just like God, except for the magic and the myths and the miracles. Christians of that sort represent the power of the state fornicating with the moral authority of the loving, incredibly moral, infinite creator of the entire infinite universe. A Communist would never say "I am torturing you and murdering you because I love you so much and morality, nay, righteousness, dictates that I do this." That type of Christian also represents the supremacy of the power of the state, but with an extra dollop of God loves you.
Very fortunately, annihilating those that refuse to bend the knee is not at all a horrible thing - it is, in fact, a sign of the highest and most pure and perfect love.
Apparently.
I worked the burn pits in the Gulf, I spent time dealing with flaming piles of garbage and shit. I recognize Anderson.
Did you file a VA claim for Gulf War Christianity Toxicity Syndrome?
I guarantee you that sonny-boy's bare-assed goose-stepping is a window into what daddy dearest taught him at home, even if Senior might be reticent to bring all of it to the pulpit. The shit never falls far from the sphincter.
Daddy has to worry that openly praising Hitler might turn off a few of his congregation, ie. hurt the bottom line. Sonny Boy is under no such constraint.
Anderson: Nazis we’re doing the right thing
Also Anderson: the Holocaust didn’t happen, the Nazis couldn’t possibly have cremated all those Jews.
Anderson Jr: there’s nothing wrong with being a Nazi. Genocide is a good thing. I’m a good person. I only want to to kill people my genocidal god tells me to.
Anderson Sr: it’s unfair to attack my son who’s advocating murdering people for inherent traits.
Sick fucks. I want to call them the subhuman barbarians, but sadly, they’re all too human. But they certainly are the bad guys we should be protecting the good people from.
But those aren't direct incitement, so to do anything would violate their right to free speech. Thor forbid, we protect the rights of LGBT, Jewish, black, or atheist people from the harm his 'indirect' threats cause.
Or no religion at all.
So it’s unfair to attack his adult child? Well, Steve, (insert the ass from The Waterboy, making his hehaw bray here) then I’m going to attack you for breeding a fucking literal proud Nazi. You’re an asshole , you’re The Asshole. He is only going where you lead him. So fuck you for being a Nazi. Have the death you deserve.
Oops, I meant have the day you deserve. Whatever.
Also - it’s 100% fine to attack Nazis.
Father and son have the intellectual horsepower of algae. Their hate is likely underpinned by their own insecurities. I suspect that the depravity of these people is economically profitable which is a sad commentary on our society.
https://smartalgaesolutions.com/
If he says "there's not a single racist bone in me" yet approve this son's foul racist, Nazi ways, you can clearly bet he's lying and he does support his son's Nazism which heavily involves racism. Not to mention genocide, the holocaust (despite his denials), exterminations of gays, Jews, etc.
There’s not a single racist bone, all of his bones are racist.
What he means though is that he thinks he’s found a way to justify his racism as benign or something else that is supposedly good. We know better.
Most of the racists people I 've meant don't think they're racists. Because in their mind, racisms is unjustified hatred, and they feel their hatred is completely justified.
On the TBT forums, a guy would frequently make racist comments and then deny he is a racist when called on it. One time, after I called him out on it, he replied, "I'm not a racist because I have never 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 discriminated against anyone." Which I seriously doubt. That's when I realized racists define racism in such a way that their racism isn't racist.
They also recognize that racists/bigots are bad people, and since they are a "good person," they can't be a racist or a bigot.
And you're a bigot for calling them a bigot. We've seen that one here.
Creationists don't think they're racists either, constantly blaming evolution for all of racism while harboring true forms of racism inside their bodies. BTW, Did you know that Henry Morris, the founder of the modern creationist movement, was a die-hard racist who only blame evolution for racism as a projection of himself?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris#Racism
Hates Jews. What kind of name does he think Isaac is?
See also Sherri Shephard's "there were no people before Christians" statement. :)
The Bible literally discusses all kinds of people that were not Christian, no where are christians even mentioned in the Bible, but Christians are the first people. Sounds about right.
Head desk from space.
Saw that. That's a whole lotta dumb. The Egyptians were already ancient before the alleged 'events' in Genesis.
She'd clutch her chest if she was told that atheists alone far-predated her silly superstition.
The first critique I thought of when I heard her clip was "what were Mary and Joseph?"
https://i.imgflip.com/38892e.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWkrC8yX0AEl9ro.jpg:large
Reading this piece and seeing that Isaac was home-schooled makes me wonder just WHAT was the content of that homeschooling. Take it a step further, it makes me wish that homeschooling were under SOME kind of government supervision, which of course would go over with people like the Anderson's like the proverbial lead balloon. But this example goes even further than that. The way Isaac talks about anyone OTHER, the complete seeming lack of any vestige of empathy. I do indeed find that genuinely disturbing.
And don't get me started on that 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑘𝑎𝑘𝑡𝑒 tattoo!
Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves. But he believes in the bible.
Bet he has 88 tattooed elsewhere on his body.
Wonder if it's tattooed next to 'Welcome Aboard'. Seems like someone who's compensating for what Nature didn't give him.
Well, now you gave him an idea for his next sin.
Says he hates when people cover up what the bible says yet gets a tattoo despite the fact that his god said not to.
The Nazi biker chicks dig it.
Minor detail.
"makes me wonder just WHAT was the content of that homeschooling."
Mein First Mein Kampf
There was always a sort of cosy relationship between the Christian religion and fascism. Although to be honest I'm surprised he's so open about it – the quiet part is being said out loud more and more often these days it seems to me.
All you have to do is look at the relationship between the Vatican and Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy in the 1930s and 40s to confirm that.
Don't forget the one who died of old age, franco.
Who is, it must be noted, still dead.
Hey, who knows ? Maybe he retired in the Caribbeans with Al Capone and Elvis 😁
Elvis was abducted by aliens. Al's bones were what Geraldo actually uncovered in that vault.
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/awiens.jpg
He wasn't abducted- he just went home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZe-DM_o6I
"Time to reopen and fill the camps with these degenerate third worlders."
You can just fuck right off, you degenerate asswipe. Third worlders? Your own god told his followers not to mistreat foreigners living among them. He told them they must treat those foreigners as native-born and to love them.
But what do you know of love? Look at daddy. Then look in a mirror.
What does he know of love? Hell, he doesn't even know anything about his own "holy book."
The tats are proof of that.
OT- Legal woes deepen for serial fraudster and alleged Congressman George Santos (if that is his real name), as his former treasurer pleads guilty: https://apnews.com/article/george-santos-nancy-marks-4d249e9d5e83fd25ed1a19a9e13d3246
"𝘖𝘶𝘵𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦, 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘴’ 𝘭𝘢𝘸𝘺𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴, 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘺 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘰𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘢𝘴𝘬𝘦𝘥."
Ruh-roh!
Between him and Trump, the Republicans have hit their quota of lies for at least the rest of the decade.
They're 'hard workers'. They'll quintuple their quota at least.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d781c262635a693fb5d4c9c008644db3faaabacda5b1a3d0974878f3ff30e9d.jpg
That's mean.
But accurate.
And funny.
It’s ironic, isn’t it, that religionists will attack atheists for ‘look what happened in atheist Nazi Germany’ then yearn for its return!
The genocidal horrors of the twentieth century, be it Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Franco (especially!) were, at least in part, the product of religion and certainly not the result of its absence.
The Nazi's were catholic and lutheran.
They had the Vatican's support!
Judeo-Christian values, right?
In honor of our 𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘥 celebrity guest, may I humbly present a collection of helpful tutorials on the proper way to treat a Nazi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z75DN5r_6H4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQWz4gVcP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YissPv9Ycjs
https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/comics-nazis-04b61702-838d-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b.jpg
https://i.imgflip.com/1w5566.gif
I'm aware of the whole "punch a Nazi" meme that's been out there since Hector was a pup. That said, I'd rather FINISH a fight than start one.
Point on the curve.
you forgot one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7itFdNE2Qw
Can you buy those chairs? Asking for a friend.
it would be cool to have a chair like that. If you find one let me know
Plenty of pictures online, but none of them nearly as cool as that one.
"Being a Nazi isn't bad."
Someone's definition of 'bad' needs a major overhaul.
Good people on both sides.
"Very fine people..."
"And some very Nasty Democrats like Pelosi and Schiff." -- DJT
Trump likes to use that word 'nasty' to vilify women.