I was raised Southern Baptist in rural Sipsey, AL. At 46, I finally declared myself an atheist. I was tired of all the guilt of hiding my non-belief in order for my family to accept me. I bet so many of Grace College’s employees have to hide who they are too. I find it ironic that some Christians have to hide the fact that they don’t hate LGTBQ people, they believe in protecting abortion rights, they don’t support Trump, ect. Jesus taught love and compassion for those that our different from ourselves, and the Christian religion has twisted this love into hate. My family asks if I’m afraid for my eternal soul. What they don’t understand is that I am finally no longer afraid, because I am not called on to judge others by the church. I have doubts about many things in life, but the one thing I’m sure of is that proponents of hate will never be on the right side of history.
I feel like these Christian leaders think that it’s all or none. If they admit that everything is not black and white in life, that there are nuances and context to every situation, then they believe they look weak. All abortions are a sin, for example. Saying that some abortions(rape and incest) are justified diminishes their belief somehow. It seems they are more worried about a potential life than the life of the woman that is in front of them. Do they not matter more? The Bible doesn’t discuss abortion, yet they twist its verses to justify their beliefs. I feel for so many Christians it’s more about power than love - i.e. punishing an unwed pregnant teenager for her sins. I have known and seen that feeling of superiority over others’ failures. This is about anything but love. All of this is moot however, because we are not a Christian nation. Unfortunately, while many of us were not paying attention, Christian Nationalists have been behind the scenes shaping this country for decades. They have been very successful too as evidenced by the overturning of Roe, school choice bills, morality laws against LGBTQ people, and the backing of SCOTUS. That is, if success looks like failing and floundering states that come in last in regard to the economy, healthcare, public education, and poverty.
Sadly this is true for some. I’ve heard people say that “she must have done something wrong” when a woman miscarried. I wonder if this is a fear-based response for some. They can’t imagine that something so horrible could happen to them and they have no control over it essentially. By placing blame on the woman that miscarried, it makes them feel that their moral superiority will protect them. How could god punish “good” Christians so terribly? It’s a false narrative, but believing the lie comforts them.
Yes, they are promoting the pregnancy martyr narrative as normal. Like a woman should die, and leave her children motherless, to carry a dead fetus long enough to get sepsis.
Cults and authoritarians focus on loyalty. But it's an Orwellian sort of test. Their authority is primary above any consistent logic or creed. Yes, if they say "all abortions are sin", then they expect you to parrot that back. If you don't, you are a threat to their authority and must be disciplined or removed. But if tomorrow, they say "my wife's abortion was not a sin," they will expect you to parrot that back with just as much fervor - and if you don't, or you point out the hypocrisy, you're just as much a threat.
So they do think of it as all or none, but not in the way you might have been thinking. 'All = everything they say, without exception.' Not 'all = every biblical behavioral rule, without exception.' They will make plenty of exceptions to biblical rules for themselves, and they demand and expect you to nod along and support them when they do so.
As social beings, loyalty is the highest standard we are expected to live up to. Like the economy, it flows up and trickles down (they're pissing on you).
Free thinking, rationality, doubt and critical thinking are dangerous to the people in charge. It can result in equality and equality increases competition. That's why discrimination is systemic. It's built in to keep the "other" down and make everyone feel helpless to combat it.
A 'discussion' with my ex father-in-law, a conservative Missouri Lutheran pastor, illustrates this black and while, all or nothing thinking. He believed that if even one comma in the Bible were false the entire edifice of Christianity would collapse. I refrained from asking the obvious questions about the authenticity of the Bible, but if Christianity was that fragile, it wasn't much of a religion. Instead, I just kept the peace.
I agree with you concerning the leaders, but I know many Christians that truly believe it is all or none to get their souls into heaven. This is how cults get made. It’s their absolute belief in their righteousness that draws some people. There’s no gray area, you don’t have to think for yourself. This is what some people crave. Life is chaotic and ever-changing. They find comfort where there is no room for doubt.
Black and white vs. shades of grey drive them crazy, because it would force them to have to think. They do not want to do that and are ill equipped for the task anyway.
Apparently, "free speech" on the campus of Grace College means parroting the right-wing talking points as espoused by the likes of Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and of course, Donald Trump. Failure to do so or worse, to suggest that any of their opinions may be mistaken, problematic, or flat-out WRONG means you are not one of them and therefore cannot BE one of them.
What this tells me is that, much as their religious beliefs don't stand up to close or even casual scrutiny, so their political stance is equally weak and poorly founded. Throw in a bad case of "likes to dish it out but can't take it" and you have their position regarding free expression in a cocked hat.
Final thought: the kids who do the four-year thing at Grace are likely already wearing god-and-Trump glasses before they even matriculate. This kind of blinkered attitude is not going to help them in the real world ... unless of course, they sequester themselves among exclusively like-minded lemmings.
Oh, I'm sure that it's a private institution and can set its own rules. That in my mind doesn't excuse it from enforcing groupthink for its student body, faculty and administration. One would hope that the college experience would be one of being open to new ideas and possibilities, rather than insisting on a "my-way-or-the-highway" attitude.
And having Googled "groupthink," I found this, which is perfect to the point:
Groupthink..... that's a new term for me, and very appropriate for some many different situations happening around this country. We see this in most of the Republican Party. Those that disavowed Trump 4 years ago are now kissing his ass and parroting his rhetoric.
Sorry, but I don't feel compassion for Warner. Which position does he supports ? The so called biblical marriage* or marriage equality ? Why choose a Christian college whose views were clearly stated on his contract ?
."We make use of biblically-based practices such as arbitration, mediation, grace, restoration, forgiveness, and redemption to live at peace with each other.”
Where ?
* Doesn't this kind of no position remind you of someone who, allegedly, supports gay rights but found that an innocuous piece of art about LGBTQI+ people was going too far ?
"biblically-based practices such as arbitration." When you die, you will go to God's Corporate headquarters. You will have no choice. You will be guided to a room with clean bright lights. There, without a lawyer present, you will be judged by an arbitrator who is fully paid for by heaven, and only has heaven's interests in mind. You will not know any of the rules, and will not be able to present your defense, if the arbitrator so decides. And all decisions are final. So heaven, late-stage capitalism are about the same.
There's always one, the guy at Wapo comments always used a potato reference, and changed his name constantly, because he was so annoying everyone kept blocking him.
I'm familiar with said commenter cdbunch writes about. That person writes just like the troll in WaPo, says sensible things, then says something totally opposite like they have schizophrenia.
I wasn’t familiar with your nym and thought you might be relatively new here and hence unfamiliar with you know who. I am pleased to learn that I was mistaken.
What position? Seems like he's conservative in his own life choices while supporting the notion of a secular government. Which is fine by me.
The question of why he'd choose to teach there...I share a bit of your surprise. Meaning: I'm not surprised the leopards ate the face of someone from the leopards eating faces party. But I continue to be surprised that they don't expect it to happen.
I disagree on your first point. These universities are known to make their staff and sometimes students sign a document stating they stand with any position stated by their employer.
Imagine your boss deciding what clothes you can wear in your private life. Or which singers you are allowed to listen to.
I would assume that he/they is deluded enough, like me, to think that a divine presence has called him/them to live a life of service to it. Since he did not get called to be a pastor, teaching at a Christian college would give him/them an opportunity to serve his god.
I agree with the firing. The very last thing we need at a place of higher education is even the remotest thought of being able to question righteous dogma. Any so-called university or place of learning that requires students to think on their own is just plain lazy, students go to college to be told what to believe and think. You don't go to the dentist to do your own dentistry, why would you go to college to do your own thinking?
As for the picture, I believe there are two women in the picture, and while they do have head coverings, one at least is wearing pants, and that's a stoning. The guys have tattoos, and that's a stoning. They're wearing mixed fabric, and that's a stoning.
[What Warner didn’t realize was that getting hired didn’t mean he was actually a professor yet—or that conservative activists would try to get him fired for holding those progressive views.]
It's really not a progressive point of view to say that civil law should be different and separate from canon law. A "conservative" should (in theory) promote and accept that idea that the right to pursue happiness and the rights in the Constitution are very different from what one accepts when they join a religious faith. God(s) frequently call adherents to a different standard than the law.
This should not be a revolutionary or progressive stance. What limitations you freely choose to impose on your own rights can be very different from what the State can do to curtail your rights.
Trusting the State with the authority to dictate everyone's conscience is a terrible political ideology and flies in the face of the conservatism I was taught as a child by my parents who emphasized the inherit nature of humans to abuse power and the needs for checks and balances.
This isn't conservatism as it used to be taught, it's a bloody fascist religious cult.
The problem is that, more than likely, the higher-ups at Grove College think that canon law and civil law should be one and the same, and, of course, derived from the bible. They aren't open to alternative ideas or suggestions, but clearly insist on a single mindset which is not open to argument or debate.
And yeah, that's textbook-definition fascism, from where I sit.
Christian colleges and seminaries have fired any number of full professors with tenure in the last few years for saying or publishing something which discomfited a donor. Groupthink is a moving target.
Fun fact. In France until the Revolution, both Canon and Civil laws cohabited. Why ? Because the catholic church couldn't condemn someone to death, only "Les bancs de Haute Justice*" had this right.
* Courts and judges under the King's authority, unlike "lea bancs de Basse Justice" under the authority of the local Lords (whatever ranks they had).
The Overton window on what constitutes conservativism has shifted right, so the idea of a neutral government that does not impose social, cultural, or political uniformity on its citizens is now unacceptable. You're right, that idea is not progressive. It's moderate, IMO. Or at least 'old school' liberalism. Unfortunately, at least in Europe, there is a simultaneous push to move the liberal Overton window leftward. Embodied by notions such as hate speech crimes. That's not limiting what the state can do to curtail your rights either; it's an attempt to impose cultural uniformity by government power, just a different, left-wing, cultural uniformity than what right-wingers want. I hope it never catches on in the US.
𝘖𝘶𝘳 Nazis control the largest "news" organization by viewership (Fox), hold the reins of one of only two viable political parties, and they've reached the point of their Presidential candidate- who has, like a certain other aspiring dictator this time last century, has already attempted his first coup- openly using Nazi talking points, using the same language the original Nazis used ("poisoning the blood of our country"; "they're not even human" etc.), and no longer facing any meaningful pushback for it. They've also reached the point, in those states where they hold power, of passing laws against entire demographics, restricting their ability to exist in public spaces... by amazing coincidence, one of the very same demographics targeted by the Nazis when 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 rose to power (and yes, that last bit is a teensy bit fucking personal- which I don't think diminishes the point at all).
So... I would tend to disagree with your assertion that our Nazis are less politically powerful than those in countries which 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 allow Nazis to march around in public waving their flags and shouting their lies. On the contrary, allowing them to march around in public has led to them becoming emboldened, seeking political power- and 𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 it, frequently with alarming ease. It seems to me as though we've faceplanted straight into the tolerance paradox, and we'll be very damned lucky to escape with our democracy intact.
Some shit just cannot safely exist in a free marketplace of ideas- especially when it has so thoroughly and conclusively proven exactly what sort of horror it 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 lead to if granted the opportunity to spread. There will 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 be enough people who are sufficiently ignorant of history, or sufficiently lacking in foresight, gullible enough, or simply selfish and evil enough, to hand it the power it requires to go on another eight-figure murder spree.
All of your mentions relate to Trump, and are 2016+. I agree that Trump is doing a good job of emboldening them.
What I don't agree with is the implication that US free speech laws lead to greater Nazism in government. That is simply, historically, factually not what happened for the 70 or so years from WWII until Trump. What factually happened is that Nazism as a political force continued in Europe, underground, even though it was legally quashed. Right wing parties continued to hold seats in governments the entire 70 years. While here, it became politically sidelined. No house representatives. No Senators. Other than David Duke, not even much at the state level. That shit DID and DOES safely exist in the free marketplace of ideas, and we know this as a fact, because that has been our history for the past 70 years.
And for sure there will always be gullible people who will follow demagogues like Trump. We fight them by speaking back. If you think those groups can be eliminated or will disappear if the government censors what political ideas are legal to say in public, then I'd say the neonazis aren't the only ones who haven't learned from history. Because if that was true, then Europe would be neonazi-free and the US would have neonazis in government. When in fact, it's the reverse.
Do you believe that Trump and his followers simply appeared one day out of the aether? Trump is an opportunistic parasite. The movement was already there, waiting for its Dear Leader to emerge and feed them validation. If anything, allowing the Nazis who were bold enough to actually 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵 themselves as Nazis gave the real threat a convenient distraction. Without lunatics like them to point to and say "see? We're nothing like them!" how much of the erosion of our civil liberties over the last quarter of a century or so wouldn't have been possible? Would Fox News really have been able to sneak the Great Replacement Theory into general public discourse, if they couldn't point to the Daily Stormer and their ilk and pretend to be moderates, by comparison?
It is never just the people actually wearing the red armbands and marching around in jackboots. It's the fuckers who get to use 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 fuckers as a smokescreen while they work in comfortable obscurity to make that sort of thing more acceptable- until a handful of yahoos being jeered at by the entire city becomes a legion of fanatics storming the halls of Congress.
It is acceptable, even desirable, to bar Nazi propaganda from public spaces precisely 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 of its history. We know what they want; we know what they plan. We also know that there are many more who are susceptible to their propaganda who won't recognize it at face value, or who will like what they hear. It is therefore in the public interest to keep Nazis, and fascism more generally, in the history museums and textbooks, and 𝘰𝘧𝘧 of the streets and airwaves. It is demonstrably toxic, and should be contained as such.
They don't just want power; they don't just want to wield it against the people they hate- they already have it, and 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺'𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘺 𝘥𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵. We absolutely do have Nazis holding political offices in this country. We have hundreds of them, from local school boards banning books all the way up to Governors forming private armies, and more than a few prominent examples of decidedly sympathetic legislators in the House and Senate up on Capitol Hill. Look at what DeSantis has done to Florida, or Abbot to Texas- with the enthusiastic support of a complicit Republican legislature- or look at Alabama, or Arkansas, or Idaho, or damn near any other red state- and if you can honestly not see the swastikas under that molecule-thin veneer of red, white, and blue, then you are being catastrophically naive.
Trump did not cause all of that. He gave the Overton Window that last little nudge to bring it into daylight, but it was there already, waiting for its chance.
Trump was the result of 40 years of effort. Europe has moved far to the left of the United States, over the last 80 years whether they have neonazis with positions in the government or not. You only count the visible neonazis when you consider the U.S, but Trump didn't come out of nowhere and neither did his followers. They've always felt this way they were just afraid to say it out loud because they thought they were alone. They now know they're not and no longer afraid to speak their true feelings.
Speaking back doesn't work when you're shouting on a street corner and they're broadcasting into hundreds of millions of homes nationwide 24/7.
You have the luxury of holding on to your ideals, even when they become self-defeating, because you're not the one they're calling a pedophile and some even screaming the government should line you up against the wall and put a bullet in your head. By the time they come for you, there will be no one else left.
You scream about our worst enemies turning hate speech restrictions against us, but that hasn't happened in Europe. It can work. You're so blinded by the fearmongering, you can't even consider it.
I had a professor who used to say that if a Christian organization used the word "Grace" in their name, you could guarantee that it was one of the most graceless organizations on earth.
Well, it's the first thing they put out there, so they don't need to consider it anymore. Same goes for other ironical names they come up with, like Liberty University where they strictly regulate every aspect of your life. Or Focus on the Family, where they demand other people's families conform to their abusive model.
To call this place a college is laughable. To have a professor fired because some Karen didn't want her "kids" to hear him call out bigotry is deplorable.
The thing is, much though they might refer to them as "kids" – well I sometimes do mostly because everyone under 40 seems like a kid to me – they are not kids. They're not necessarily mature adults but they're certainly adults and should be capable of deciding what or what not to believe. That someone calls their grown-up children kids is sort of patronising isn't it?
I have a similar story. I was fired from my job as a teacher of world religions because I had read a book on the history of anti-Black racism in American Evangelicalism and a book on The Satanic Temple. The instigation was parents and a local knockoff of “Libs of TikTok.” They drummed up outrage, leading to the school firing me and characterizing me as a threat to the school community because reading such books “naturally prevents one from being a successful teacher.”
Curious they didn't attack you earlier for teaching world religions instead of their favorite flavor of christianity. They really dislike any inkling toward diversity.
Well, the job I was hired to do was to teach that course, which already exited in their curriculum. During the interview process, I was ensured that my own personal religious views (or lack there of) had no impact on being able to accept, fulfill, or keep the job. Then the head of school, in the termination email, states that such reading is “inappropriate for a teacher of religion.” Which … just boggles my mind.
I guess genocide, mass murder, infanticide, mass rape, misogyny, homophobia, and general hatred of icky minority is all good. For centuries the kkkrister church pushed many Kristallnachts in Jewish communities. It allowed to Reich to proclaim they were doing the work of gawd. The Reich had also seized records of priests raping kids and the church buying off the victims and their families. The church could not speak against the reich. even if i wanted to, simply because it knew where the church hid all the bodies... It is also part of the church's effort to hide many mid and upper level Nazis in Argentina
"The Pope at War" David I Kertzer,
"The Real Odessa"
by Uki Goni
ETA: Odessa is a mind boggling level of detail of the "church" hiding criminals. Maybe "richly detaied" works? It is a tough read.
'To be clear, he’s referring to a hypothetical 18-year-old student as a “young, impressionable child” who is, apparently for the first time in his or her life, “digesting new worldviews.” '
Allow me a moment here to point out that for some young Christians it's likely that is the actual case; I remember being an 18 year old with the sort of parents who tried to keep me away from a number of life's realities. Suffice it to say, I had quite a few issues to deal with for the next ten years or so, and this bubble my parents had me in didn't do me any favors in the long run. The most important lesson I had to learn was to simply stop treating every influential white male as some sort of by-default semi-authority figure to be trusted without question; something extremely dangerous I'd learned at church. Evan Aaron's post denies he's out to get anyone so often it sure looks to me like that's exactly what he's trying to do, though I admit I'm at a loss for any specific reasoning behind his post. Monica Boyer is well known around this site as a less-influential Karen looking for targets, and unfortunately, she found one.
Hopefully, Dr. Warner lands on his feet with a better offer, and kudos to him for refusing to sign that NDA. The public needs to know about this sort of thing when it happens, and too often people aren't able to reject the payout involved when this sort of thing happens. Best of luck to him.
"Is this the type of rhetoric you'd like to see spoken by those teaching young Christians, fresh out of their parent's nest, and digesting new worldviews?"
There is a good way to make sure your kids don't hit college with wide eyes like they had just been pushed out of the nest, only to fall on the ground to be eaten by atheists: Let them experience the world as teens. The tighter you clamp down on them the more they are going to rebel when they find out that gay people exist, compassion for others means just that and atheists don't have horns (usually). Keeping your kids in a bubble of conspiracies, imaginary friends and lies will only backfire with the more intelligent kids and then you'll wonder why they never call you.
There is a sex survivor network to help escapees from that toxic cult. Evidently the girls are taught to always "Obey" an elder (male). They don't know to say "no." when abused.
Speaker Mike Johnson, the most powerful evangelical Christian in American government, became the latest Republican to join Donald Trump’s entourage at his trial Tuesday over hush-money payments to a porn star.
Johnson, a devout Southern Baptist who has publicly discussed his own efforts to avoid viewing online pornography, isn’t the first elected Republican to put aside moral qualms to reap the benefits of closeness with Trump. And like other Trump surrogates who have appeared at the Manhattan courthouse in recent days, Johnson, himself a lawyer by trade, wasn’t there to speak about Trump’s conduct, but to argue against the merits of the legal case.
Moses Johnson and his son monitor each other's porn. What does it say about THAT relationship (wonder if either of them have watched Stormy Daniels ply her trade).
The only reason a guy whose name is slang for penis was really there was to babysit the manbaby and to stroke his yuge ego.
Maybe we should have let Marjorie Traitor Greene succeed in her efforts to unseat the dick.
Screw that- 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 should sue 𝘩𝘦𝘳! Spending the amount of time required for surgery in such close proximity to so vile a creature surely must have caused the poor doctor and their staff some 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 emotional trauma.
Your daily reminder that just because Johnson the Johnson may not be 𝘢𝘴 unhinged as Marjie and the rest of the MAGAt mushbrains, and may actually (once or maybe twice, grudgingly) be willing to compromise- if only to prevent his job title from becoming a punch line- he is 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 to be trusted beyond the distance he can be carried by a dead cockroach.
You're right. Even a dead cockroach is far too worthy to be subjected to such an indignity, and I am 𝘥𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘺 ashamed of myself for my inexcusable offense against roach-kind.
They all seem to be doing it, because they know they can't do without Trump at the moment. Once he becomes a liability he will be gone – like the proverbial hot potato.
I was raised Southern Baptist in rural Sipsey, AL. At 46, I finally declared myself an atheist. I was tired of all the guilt of hiding my non-belief in order for my family to accept me. I bet so many of Grace College’s employees have to hide who they are too. I find it ironic that some Christians have to hide the fact that they don’t hate LGTBQ people, they believe in protecting abortion rights, they don’t support Trump, ect. Jesus taught love and compassion for those that our different from ourselves, and the Christian religion has twisted this love into hate. My family asks if I’m afraid for my eternal soul. What they don’t understand is that I am finally no longer afraid, because I am not called on to judge others by the church. I have doubts about many things in life, but the one thing I’m sure of is that proponents of hate will never be on the right side of history.
𝐼 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑢𝑏𝑡𝑠 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼’𝑚 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦.
𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦.
It’s not that hard, right?
For the powers that be at Grace College, it might as well be impossible.
I feel like these Christian leaders think that it’s all or none. If they admit that everything is not black and white in life, that there are nuances and context to every situation, then they believe they look weak. All abortions are a sin, for example. Saying that some abortions(rape and incest) are justified diminishes their belief somehow. It seems they are more worried about a potential life than the life of the woman that is in front of them. Do they not matter more? The Bible doesn’t discuss abortion, yet they twist its verses to justify their beliefs. I feel for so many Christians it’s more about power than love - i.e. punishing an unwed pregnant teenager for her sins. I have known and seen that feeling of superiority over others’ failures. This is about anything but love. All of this is moot however, because we are not a Christian nation. Unfortunately, while many of us were not paying attention, Christian Nationalists have been behind the scenes shaping this country for decades. They have been very successful too as evidenced by the overturning of Roe, school choice bills, morality laws against LGBTQ people, and the backing of SCOTUS. That is, if success looks like failing and floundering states that come in last in regard to the economy, healthcare, public education, and poverty.
It's worse than that. They applaud a woman dying from a miscarriage or a condition due to her pregnancy, even if the fetus die with her.
Sadly this is true for some. I’ve heard people say that “she must have done something wrong” when a woman miscarried. I wonder if this is a fear-based response for some. They can’t imagine that something so horrible could happen to them and they have no control over it essentially. By placing blame on the woman that miscarried, it makes them feel that their moral superiority will protect them. How could god punish “good” Christians so terribly? It’s a false narrative, but believing the lie comforts them.
Yes, they are promoting the pregnancy martyr narrative as normal. Like a woman should die, and leave her children motherless, to carry a dead fetus long enough to get sepsis.
Cults and authoritarians focus on loyalty. But it's an Orwellian sort of test. Their authority is primary above any consistent logic or creed. Yes, if they say "all abortions are sin", then they expect you to parrot that back. If you don't, you are a threat to their authority and must be disciplined or removed. But if tomorrow, they say "my wife's abortion was not a sin," they will expect you to parrot that back with just as much fervor - and if you don't, or you point out the hypocrisy, you're just as much a threat.
So they do think of it as all or none, but not in the way you might have been thinking. 'All = everything they say, without exception.' Not 'all = every biblical behavioral rule, without exception.' They will make plenty of exceptions to biblical rules for themselves, and they demand and expect you to nod along and support them when they do so.
As social beings, loyalty is the highest standard we are expected to live up to. Like the economy, it flows up and trickles down (they're pissing on you).
Free thinking, rationality, doubt and critical thinking are dangerous to the people in charge. It can result in equality and equality increases competition. That's why discrimination is systemic. It's built in to keep the "other" down and make everyone feel helpless to combat it.
A 'discussion' with my ex father-in-law, a conservative Missouri Lutheran pastor, illustrates this black and while, all or nothing thinking. He believed that if even one comma in the Bible were false the entire edifice of Christianity would collapse. I refrained from asking the obvious questions about the authenticity of the Bible, but if Christianity was that fragile, it wasn't much of a religion. Instead, I just kept the peace.
I agree with you concerning the leaders, but I know many Christians that truly believe it is all or none to get their souls into heaven. This is how cults get made. It’s their absolute belief in their righteousness that draws some people. There’s no gray area, you don’t have to think for yourself. This is what some people crave. Life is chaotic and ever-changing. They find comfort where there is no room for doubt.
Black and white vs. shades of grey drive them crazy, because it would force them to have to think. They do not want to do that and are ill equipped for the task anyway.
The indoctrination actively cripples thinking ability.
That is the goal.
Notice that critical thinking is not (if barely) taught in schools. When it is, it's at the university level and never required.
They are they people Loki was talking about in Stuttgart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBrvzWC8Tm4
A friend (and coworker) pointed out, "If you look at history, every time young people protest...They're right."
Your last sentence says it all!
Great comment!!!
Apparently, "free speech" on the campus of Grace College means parroting the right-wing talking points as espoused by the likes of Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and of course, Donald Trump. Failure to do so or worse, to suggest that any of their opinions may be mistaken, problematic, or flat-out WRONG means you are not one of them and therefore cannot BE one of them.
What this tells me is that, much as their religious beliefs don't stand up to close or even casual scrutiny, so their political stance is equally weak and poorly founded. Throw in a bad case of "likes to dish it out but can't take it" and you have their position regarding free expression in a cocked hat.
Final thought: the kids who do the four-year thing at Grace are likely already wearing god-and-Trump glasses before they even matriculate. This kind of blinkered attitude is not going to help them in the real world ... unless of course, they sequester themselves among exclusively like-minded lemmings.
Isn't it a private college ? Your sc, with some fucked up decisions, has stated that a business free speech supersedes that of people.
Oh, I'm sure that it's a private institution and can set its own rules. That in my mind doesn't excuse it from enforcing groupthink for its student body, faculty and administration. One would hope that the college experience would be one of being open to new ideas and possibilities, rather than insisting on a "my-way-or-the-highway" attitude.
And having Googled "groupthink," I found this, which is perfect to the point:
𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘? 𝐴𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑚𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑗𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡.
You know what ? In my awful socialist* anti god country, he could have sued this college and win. Too bad, right ?
*evilgelical definition. So anyone who is not to the right of Qin Shi Huang.
A damned shame, indeed ... and I don't mind telling you that the rightward swing of our Supreme Court scares the whee outta me.
Groupthink..... that's a new term for me, and very appropriate for some many different situations happening around this country. We see this in most of the Republican Party. Those that disavowed Trump 4 years ago are now kissing his ass and parroting his rhetoric.
Lemmings.
Sorry, but I don't feel compassion for Warner. Which position does he supports ? The so called biblical marriage* or marriage equality ? Why choose a Christian college whose views were clearly stated on his contract ?
."We make use of biblically-based practices such as arbitration, mediation, grace, restoration, forgiveness, and redemption to live at peace with each other.”
Where ?
* Doesn't this kind of no position remind you of someone who, allegedly, supports gay rights but found that an innocuous piece of art about LGBTQI+ people was going too far ?
"biblically-based practices such as arbitration." When you die, you will go to God's Corporate headquarters. You will have no choice. You will be guided to a room with clean bright lights. There, without a lawyer present, you will be judged by an arbitrator who is fully paid for by heaven, and only has heaven's interests in mind. You will not know any of the rules, and will not be able to present your defense, if the arbitrator so decides. And all decisions are final. So heaven, late-stage capitalism are about the same.
I'm bringing my shop steward and business agent.
Don't Agonize, Organize! #SolidarityForever
They may not appreciate that. But that's quite the drunk driving accident.
Some damned drunk suit crashed into our car.
Like the guy who thinks there should be no consequences for Christians engaging in anti-LGBT bigotry, but claims to be an ally.
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There's always one, the guy at Wapo comments always used a potato reference, and changed his name constantly, because he was so annoying everyone kept blocking him.
I suspect that cdbunch was referring to a specific commenter who frequents this blog and does exactly was cdb described.
I'm familiar with said commenter cdbunch writes about. That person writes just like the troll in WaPo, says sensible things, then says something totally opposite like they have schizophrenia.
(in the voice of Church Lady): Now who could that be, hmm? Whooooooo could it be?" ;)
I wasn’t familiar with your nym and thought you might be relatively new here and hence unfamiliar with you know who. I am pleased to learn that I was mistaken.
What position? Seems like he's conservative in his own life choices while supporting the notion of a secular government. Which is fine by me.
The question of why he'd choose to teach there...I share a bit of your surprise. Meaning: I'm not surprised the leopards ate the face of someone from the leopards eating faces party. But I continue to be surprised that they don't expect it to happen.
I disagree on your first point. These universities are known to make their staff and sometimes students sign a document stating they stand with any position stated by their employer.
Imagine your boss deciding what clothes you can wear in your private life. Or which singers you are allowed to listen to.
Well, Uncle did have rules for us GIs even off-duty.....so I don't have to imagine it. ;-)
How does any of what you've written have anything to do with his position on *secular government*?
I would assume that he/they is deluded enough, like me, to think that a divine presence has called him/them to live a life of service to it. Since he did not get called to be a pastor, teaching at a Christian college would give him/them an opportunity to serve his god.
Or, maybe I am personalizing it too much.
You were once him, so you know what you are talking about.
I agree with the firing. The very last thing we need at a place of higher education is even the remotest thought of being able to question righteous dogma. Any so-called university or place of learning that requires students to think on their own is just plain lazy, students go to college to be told what to believe and think. You don't go to the dentist to do your own dentistry, why would you go to college to do your own thinking?
As for the picture, I believe there are two women in the picture, and while they do have head coverings, one at least is wearing pants, and that's a stoning. The guys have tattoos, and that's a stoning. They're wearing mixed fabric, and that's a stoning.
> "You don't go to the dentist to do your own dentistry, why would you go to college to do your own thinking?"
By God, I think you've got it! We have a Winner for the "Best Analogy of the Day" contest.
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Paddling the school canoe? Ohhhhh, you know that's a paddling.
This is absolutely correct, he's not just a questioner, he's a fucking heretic.
[What Warner didn’t realize was that getting hired didn’t mean he was actually a professor yet—or that conservative activists would try to get him fired for holding those progressive views.]
It's really not a progressive point of view to say that civil law should be different and separate from canon law. A "conservative" should (in theory) promote and accept that idea that the right to pursue happiness and the rights in the Constitution are very different from what one accepts when they join a religious faith. God(s) frequently call adherents to a different standard than the law.
This should not be a revolutionary or progressive stance. What limitations you freely choose to impose on your own rights can be very different from what the State can do to curtail your rights.
Trusting the State with the authority to dictate everyone's conscience is a terrible political ideology and flies in the face of the conservatism I was taught as a child by my parents who emphasized the inherit nature of humans to abuse power and the needs for checks and balances.
This isn't conservatism as it used to be taught, it's a bloody fascist religious cult.
The problem is that, more than likely, the higher-ups at Grove College think that canon law and civil law should be one and the same, and, of course, derived from the bible. They aren't open to alternative ideas or suggestions, but clearly insist on a single mindset which is not open to argument or debate.
And yeah, that's textbook-definition fascism, from where I sit.
Christian colleges and seminaries have fired any number of full professors with tenure in the last few years for saying or publishing something which discomfited a donor. Groupthink is a moving target.
Fun fact. In France until the Revolution, both Canon and Civil laws cohabited. Why ? Because the catholic church couldn't condemn someone to death, only "Les bancs de Haute Justice*" had this right.
* Courts and judges under the King's authority, unlike "lea bancs de Basse Justice" under the authority of the local Lords (whatever ranks they had).
The Overton window on what constitutes conservativism has shifted right, so the idea of a neutral government that does not impose social, cultural, or political uniformity on its citizens is now unacceptable. You're right, that idea is not progressive. It's moderate, IMO. Or at least 'old school' liberalism. Unfortunately, at least in Europe, there is a simultaneous push to move the liberal Overton window leftward. Embodied by notions such as hate speech crimes. That's not limiting what the state can do to curtail your rights either; it's an attempt to impose cultural uniformity by government power, just a different, left-wing, cultural uniformity than what right-wingers want. I hope it never catches on in the US.
So, we should allow nazi speech again ? Curious, I kind of remember it led to millions of deaths, but maybe I don't remember right.
I actually live in Europe, and if anything, what I see is a sliding toward the right, though slower than in your country.
Yes the right-wing fanatics are rising everywhere.
We allow Nazi speech in the US....and as a result, our Nazis are far less politically powerful than yours.
Although I will admit that while that's been true ~1950s-2010s, Trump is working hard to make it no longer true.
You really think so?
𝘖𝘶𝘳 Nazis control the largest "news" organization by viewership (Fox), hold the reins of one of only two viable political parties, and they've reached the point of their Presidential candidate- who has, like a certain other aspiring dictator this time last century, has already attempted his first coup- openly using Nazi talking points, using the same language the original Nazis used ("poisoning the blood of our country"; "they're not even human" etc.), and no longer facing any meaningful pushback for it. They've also reached the point, in those states where they hold power, of passing laws against entire demographics, restricting their ability to exist in public spaces... by amazing coincidence, one of the very same demographics targeted by the Nazis when 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 rose to power (and yes, that last bit is a teensy bit fucking personal- which I don't think diminishes the point at all).
So... I would tend to disagree with your assertion that our Nazis are less politically powerful than those in countries which 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 allow Nazis to march around in public waving their flags and shouting their lies. On the contrary, allowing them to march around in public has led to them becoming emboldened, seeking political power- and 𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 it, frequently with alarming ease. It seems to me as though we've faceplanted straight into the tolerance paradox, and we'll be very damned lucky to escape with our democracy intact.
Some shit just cannot safely exist in a free marketplace of ideas- especially when it has so thoroughly and conclusively proven exactly what sort of horror it 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 lead to if granted the opportunity to spread. There will 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 be enough people who are sufficiently ignorant of history, or sufficiently lacking in foresight, gullible enough, or simply selfish and evil enough, to hand it the power it requires to go on another eight-figure murder spree.
Or worse.
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All of your mentions relate to Trump, and are 2016+. I agree that Trump is doing a good job of emboldening them.
What I don't agree with is the implication that US free speech laws lead to greater Nazism in government. That is simply, historically, factually not what happened for the 70 or so years from WWII until Trump. What factually happened is that Nazism as a political force continued in Europe, underground, even though it was legally quashed. Right wing parties continued to hold seats in governments the entire 70 years. While here, it became politically sidelined. No house representatives. No Senators. Other than David Duke, not even much at the state level. That shit DID and DOES safely exist in the free marketplace of ideas, and we know this as a fact, because that has been our history for the past 70 years.
And for sure there will always be gullible people who will follow demagogues like Trump. We fight them by speaking back. If you think those groups can be eliminated or will disappear if the government censors what political ideas are legal to say in public, then I'd say the neonazis aren't the only ones who haven't learned from history. Because if that was true, then Europe would be neonazi-free and the US would have neonazis in government. When in fact, it's the reverse.
Do you believe that Trump and his followers simply appeared one day out of the aether? Trump is an opportunistic parasite. The movement was already there, waiting for its Dear Leader to emerge and feed them validation. If anything, allowing the Nazis who were bold enough to actually 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵 themselves as Nazis gave the real threat a convenient distraction. Without lunatics like them to point to and say "see? We're nothing like them!" how much of the erosion of our civil liberties over the last quarter of a century or so wouldn't have been possible? Would Fox News really have been able to sneak the Great Replacement Theory into general public discourse, if they couldn't point to the Daily Stormer and their ilk and pretend to be moderates, by comparison?
It is never just the people actually wearing the red armbands and marching around in jackboots. It's the fuckers who get to use 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 fuckers as a smokescreen while they work in comfortable obscurity to make that sort of thing more acceptable- until a handful of yahoos being jeered at by the entire city becomes a legion of fanatics storming the halls of Congress.
It is acceptable, even desirable, to bar Nazi propaganda from public spaces precisely 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 of its history. We know what they want; we know what they plan. We also know that there are many more who are susceptible to their propaganda who won't recognize it at face value, or who will like what they hear. It is therefore in the public interest to keep Nazis, and fascism more generally, in the history museums and textbooks, and 𝘰𝘧𝘧 of the streets and airwaves. It is demonstrably toxic, and should be contained as such.
They don't just want power; they don't just want to wield it against the people they hate- they already have it, and 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺'𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘺 𝘥𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵. We absolutely do have Nazis holding political offices in this country. We have hundreds of them, from local school boards banning books all the way up to Governors forming private armies, and more than a few prominent examples of decidedly sympathetic legislators in the House and Senate up on Capitol Hill. Look at what DeSantis has done to Florida, or Abbot to Texas- with the enthusiastic support of a complicit Republican legislature- or look at Alabama, or Arkansas, or Idaho, or damn near any other red state- and if you can honestly not see the swastikas under that molecule-thin veneer of red, white, and blue, then you are being catastrophically naive.
Trump did not cause all of that. He gave the Overton Window that last little nudge to bring it into daylight, but it was there already, waiting for its chance.
Trump was the result of 40 years of effort. Europe has moved far to the left of the United States, over the last 80 years whether they have neonazis with positions in the government or not. You only count the visible neonazis when you consider the U.S, but Trump didn't come out of nowhere and neither did his followers. They've always felt this way they were just afraid to say it out loud because they thought they were alone. They now know they're not and no longer afraid to speak their true feelings.
Speaking back doesn't work when you're shouting on a street corner and they're broadcasting into hundreds of millions of homes nationwide 24/7.
You have the luxury of holding on to your ideals, even when they become self-defeating, because you're not the one they're calling a pedophile and some even screaming the government should line you up against the wall and put a bullet in your head. By the time they come for you, there will be no one else left.
You scream about our worst enemies turning hate speech restrictions against us, but that hasn't happened in Europe. It can work. You're so blinded by the fearmongering, you can't even consider it.
I had a professor who used to say that if a Christian organization used the word "Grace" in their name, you could guarantee that it was one of the most graceless organizations on earth.
Well, it's the first thing they put out there, so they don't need to consider it anymore. Same goes for other ironical names they come up with, like Liberty University where they strictly regulate every aspect of your life. Or Focus on the Family, where they demand other people's families conform to their abusive model.
Same tends to be true of other words like "freedom".
Or "Patriot".
Or "American."
It's aspirational...the title tells you what they will be an ass about.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56917bb2ca349dca3625760285be5e3bf385f47685ac4c2cc0aeb9322d2a07fc.jpg
How the cognitive dissonance isn't deafening is one of those mysteries not even God knows the answer to.
First rule of wingers, never show compassion for anything other than Trump's fee-fees.
"never show compassion for anything"
Especially your dog.
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/dog_republican.jpg
Takei is a national treasure. You have so many of them in the US, I wish we had a few more.
Take a job with hateful bigots expect to get hatefully bigoted.
"What are those leopards over there chewing on...?"
Some times I think we're maligning the poor cats. They've done nothing to deserve to be associated with these cannibalistic fascists.
True, but I wouldn't want to run into either in a dark alley.
To call this place a college is laughable. To have a professor fired because some Karen didn't want her "kids" to hear him call out bigotry is deplorable.
Par for kkkristers determined that only their viewpoint is correct regardless of how discriminatory, dangerous or hateful.
It’s a Virtue when Christians do it.
Sadly, that is so very true. Their gods are the biggest bigots in the universe.
The thing is, much though they might refer to them as "kids" – well I sometimes do mostly because everyone under 40 seems like a kid to me – they are not kids. They're not necessarily mature adults but they're certainly adults and should be capable of deciding what or what not to believe. That someone calls their grown-up children kids is sort of patronising isn't it?
I have a similar story. I was fired from my job as a teacher of world religions because I had read a book on the history of anti-Black racism in American Evangelicalism and a book on The Satanic Temple. The instigation was parents and a local knockoff of “Libs of TikTok.” They drummed up outrage, leading to the school firing me and characterizing me as a threat to the school community because reading such books “naturally prevents one from being a successful teacher.”
Curious they didn't attack you earlier for teaching world religions instead of their favorite flavor of christianity. They really dislike any inkling toward diversity.
Oh, and get this. The official justification given for firing me? Violating their Diversity and Inclusion Policy. Talk about Orwellian!
Sorry for the confusion, I meant the parents.
Well, the job I was hired to do was to teach that course, which already exited in their curriculum. During the interview process, I was ensured that my own personal religious views (or lack there of) had no impact on being able to accept, fulfill, or keep the job. Then the head of school, in the termination email, states that such reading is “inappropriate for a teacher of religion.” Which … just boggles my mind.
In other words, they lied. Sadly, par for the course.
Yep, we want names. *rubs hands together while cackling with glee*
What state/district?
I guess genocide, mass murder, infanticide, mass rape, misogyny, homophobia, and general hatred of icky minority is all good. For centuries the kkkrister church pushed many Kristallnachts in Jewish communities. It allowed to Reich to proclaim they were doing the work of gawd. The Reich had also seized records of priests raping kids and the church buying off the victims and their families. The church could not speak against the reich. even if i wanted to, simply because it knew where the church hid all the bodies... It is also part of the church's effort to hide many mid and upper level Nazis in Argentina
"The Pope at War" David I Kertzer,
"The Real Odessa"
by Uki Goni
ETA: Odessa is a mind boggling level of detail of the "church" hiding criminals. Maybe "richly detaied" works? It is a tough read.
No no no, you misunderstand. All of those are only good when Christians do it, and nobody else!
'To be clear, he’s referring to a hypothetical 18-year-old student as a “young, impressionable child” who is, apparently for the first time in his or her life, “digesting new worldviews.” '
Allow me a moment here to point out that for some young Christians it's likely that is the actual case; I remember being an 18 year old with the sort of parents who tried to keep me away from a number of life's realities. Suffice it to say, I had quite a few issues to deal with for the next ten years or so, and this bubble my parents had me in didn't do me any favors in the long run. The most important lesson I had to learn was to simply stop treating every influential white male as some sort of by-default semi-authority figure to be trusted without question; something extremely dangerous I'd learned at church. Evan Aaron's post denies he's out to get anyone so often it sure looks to me like that's exactly what he's trying to do, though I admit I'm at a loss for any specific reasoning behind his post. Monica Boyer is well known around this site as a less-influential Karen looking for targets, and unfortunately, she found one.
Hopefully, Dr. Warner lands on his feet with a better offer, and kudos to him for refusing to sign that NDA. The public needs to know about this sort of thing when it happens, and too often people aren't able to reject the payout involved when this sort of thing happens. Best of luck to him.
Our hateful monica is monica cole, not that the difference is obvious :)
The Million moms (of one member ms Cole)
It turns out, the right is very much pro-cancel-culture. Always has been. Always will be.
Free speech is "free for me, but not for thee. I don't care that it's hypocrisy."
"Is this the type of rhetoric you'd like to see spoken by those teaching young Christians, fresh out of their parent's nest, and digesting new worldviews?"
There is a good way to make sure your kids don't hit college with wide eyes like they had just been pushed out of the nest, only to fall on the ground to be eaten by atheists: Let them experience the world as teens. The tighter you clamp down on them the more they are going to rebel when they find out that gay people exist, compassion for others means just that and atheists don't have horns (usually). Keeping your kids in a bubble of conspiracies, imaginary friends and lies will only backfire with the more intelligent kids and then you'll wonder why they never call you.
...or don't, because we need them.
Funny. How many how them "admire" Amish ? Except for Rumspringa.
There is a sex survivor network to help escapees from that toxic cult. Evidently the girls are taught to always "Obey" an elder (male). They don't know to say "no." when abused.
https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/child-sexual-abuse-amish
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It's got electrolytes!
It's what plants crave.
And about 1000% cleaner than the usual water.
Babies get dehydrated too.
Nothing is OT any more when it relates to Christian Nationalism...
Mike Johnson comes to Trump’s defense
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/14/mike-johnson-trump-trial-00157853
Speaker Mike Johnson, the most powerful evangelical Christian in American government, became the latest Republican to join Donald Trump’s entourage at his trial Tuesday over hush-money payments to a porn star.
Johnson, a devout Southern Baptist who has publicly discussed his own efforts to avoid viewing online pornography, isn’t the first elected Republican to put aside moral qualms to reap the benefits of closeness with Trump. And like other Trump surrogates who have appeared at the Manhattan courthouse in recent days, Johnson, himself a lawyer by trade, wasn’t there to speak about Trump’s conduct, but to argue against the merits of the legal case.
Moses Johnson and his son monitor each other's porn. What does it say about THAT relationship (wonder if either of them have watched Stormy Daniels ply her trade).
The only reason a guy whose name is slang for penis was really there was to babysit the manbaby and to stroke his yuge ego.
Maybe we should have let Marjorie Traitor Greene succeed in her efforts to unseat the dick.
I just saw something on YouTube that suggested MTG has had plastic surgery – she should sue them.
Screw that- 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 should sue 𝘩𝘦𝘳! Spending the amount of time required for surgery in such close proximity to so vile a creature surely must have caused the poor doctor and their staff some 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 emotional trauma.
He doesn't put aside his moral qualms, he probably thinks the only one at fault is Stormy Daniels, just for being a woman.
Can’t put aside morals if you never had any to begin with.
In kkkristerism, women are ALWAYS WRONG. Their jesus reified that when he referred to his mother as "woman." Their ONLY value is as an incubator.
Your daily reminder that just because Johnson the Johnson may not be 𝘢𝘴 unhinged as Marjie and the rest of the MAGAt mushbrains, and may actually (once or maybe twice, grudgingly) be willing to compromise- if only to prevent his job title from becoming a punch line- he is 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 to be trusted beyond the distance he can be carried by a dead cockroach.
I think that's too far.
I agree, Joan should be ashamed of herself for picking on a cockroach.
You're right. Even a dead cockroach is far too worthy to be subjected to such an indignity, and I am 𝘥𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘺 ashamed of myself for my inexcusable offense against roach-kind.
They all seem to be doing it, because they know they can't do without Trump at the moment. Once he becomes a liability he will be gone – like the proverbial hot potato.