The religious are moved by the sight of a well-preserved religious corpse but have no feeling whatsoever for a 10-year-old girl who needed to travel across state lines to get an abortion after being raped and impregnated.
Unless she mentioned the patient's name or other identifying characteristics I don't think she did anything wrong. I feel like political pressure made the board feel they had to issue some kind of adverse ruling, but really, is $3k much to a doctor, seems kind of like a $30k fine to an NFL star that makes $5M a year.
They only wanted to brand her as an abortion activist. You know, the type that wants to abort all babies, the type that has had many abortions herself, the type that invites friends over for abortion parties. She hates men and kids and the law has got to teach her a lesson. /s
With Catholics, ideology is far more important than facts or people. Parishioners can either fall in line, or be excommunicated or otherwise punished for their lack of faith and obedience.
Organizations should serve people, not the other way around. The RCC has yet to learn this lesson.
J.P. Richardson a.k.a Big Bopper was exhumed in 2007, at the request of his son, to give answer to the theory that he might have initially survived the plane crash and walked 40 feet away from the wreckage (x-rays determined broken and fractured bones that he did not). He was found to be remarkably preserved with a slightly purplish color to his skin. So St. Bopper, patron saint of rock it is.. 😄
Makes as much sense as this nun nonsense* and he objectively contributed positively to society. I'm getting me a St Bopper icon to put on my guitar amp.
There is a perfectly plausible explanation for this "miracle". The church will downplay that as much as possible to keep the gullible believing, and to deflect from the almost daily revelations of abuse.
My comment was that there’s a difference between forgetting the pickles and hundreds of priests molesting thousands of children in just one city. No one should ever be that hungry.
Sorry. I found it on Dinosaurs Against Christians Against Dinosaurs, page. The post was posted there to make fun of the post, which originally came from Starting your day with Christ. The post reads:
“McDonald’s can mess your order up 101 times and you still keep going back……..
One thing goes wrong at Church and you Quit.
People just aren’t hungry enough!”
And thinking about it again, folks flip their shit over a mixup at McDonalds all the time, all the Karen videos are evidence. Yet no one, not anyone screams at the priests or preachers or ministers, youth pastors et al. for touching their children. There’s no throwing food, no flipping chairs or damaging property, slamming doors, bullying passersby, or any tantrum over minor inconveniences when it comes to the safety of children in a church. People really do get upset over the exact wrong things.
I know it's really obtuse of me, but I don't quite understand how a body covered with a layer of mold qualifies ans "incorrupt." Did the same God who supposedly kept everything else about the corpse intact forget to notify the moldiverse, or what? If I found a piece of cheese in my refrigerator covered with mold and cheese mites, I wouldn't assume it was still edible. I'd toss it in the trash as fast as I could. If I found a slice of bread covered with green fungus, it would go into the trash too, in a heartbeat. The trash. That's where virtually everything about the goddamned Catholic church, the institution built on human ignorance and gullibility, belongs
That actually makes it all the more perplexing that her flesh was not decomposed under that layer of mold. Mold grows as things decompose sometimes, yet there was no decomposition. There's something to that. Not entirely sure what, yet it is at least unusual.
About 25 years ago there was a small church in the Sierra Nevada mountains that had a Genuine miracle of the Virgin Mary. Every afternoon, a pattern of lights would appear on the wall of the church. People saw without a doubt that it was the Virgin Mary appearing in this church. They came from miles around to witness the miracle. I remember one woman saying, “it is the Virgin Mary, and her message is world peace.” (shades of Fatima). The local bishop, being unwilling to either authenticate the miracle or deny it, covered his ass beautifully and came up with the classic from, I think, Thomas Aquinas. "for those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no explanation as possible.”
Except, of course, that wasn’t true either. They actually sought out an explanation. They called in a scientist to find the source of this miracle, if it could be found. (If they called in a photographer like myself, it would’ve taken me about five minutes and a long stick to disapprove the “miracle”). The scientist was unable to find the source of the miracle, but he did say that it was reflection or refraction from some unknown source, and would probably not appear on the first cloudy day.
Guess what? On the first cloudy day, and on every cloudy day thereafter, the virgin failed to make her appearance. Moreover, later in the year, when the sun changed its position, the virgin stopped making her appearance. So much for that miracle. Science, real science, disproved what faith simply assumed.
The standard of proof for this miracle was apallingly low. All there really was, was the need for people to believe in a miracle, in order to "validate" their faith, but actually INVALIDATING it. It's not faith any more, but faith that has been "proved" to be true. They want it both ways.
At the same time, they really don’t want it both ways. They have no explanation why the Virgin Mary would appear as a pattern of lights on the wall in the church, or why she would appear to three illiterate peasant children when Lisbon, worldwide press, and universities were just a few miles away, something that would actually prove her existence and the truth of their faith and theology. Repeating myself, at the same time, they really don’t want it both ways. They have absolutely silly stuff like a single communion wafer turning into heart tissue with a ridiculously low standard of proof, when it would be relatively simple to turn a whole pile of them into heart tissue, Right in front of all of those atheist scientists, easily replicable to unlimited "atheist scientists", thus convincing the entire world that the Christian story is true. But that has NEVER happened, has it, because god needs to "test our faith". Why he needs to test our faith is never explained, and Real proof is never forthcoming. They would be upset if it did, because that takes the magic away from your faith.
Yes, I go there every few years when visiting my SIL near Tampa. The beach and the restaurants and shops near the ocean are still good, but driving past the downtown area is ghostly...and ghastly!
Sadly, this is really variations on the old saw, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." The Catholic Church has rarely cared about facts, especially when facts threaten their doctrine or authority. Worse, there are not enough people stepping up to challenge their delusional attitude.
It will take a massive effort to move them off the dime.
Something I've been told more than once is that the body of the deceased is, in many cases, lasting longer thanks to the number of preservatives most people are eating every day. I'm not entirely sure that's really true, but it certainly seems plausible, doesn't it?
This is one of those issues that exists mostly because people (including me) don't want to talk about it for the most part. We all know we won't live forever, but we don't want to think about what might happen to our remains after we die. It's normal. I will say I feel like the RCC is using that unwillingness to talk or think about the issue to its advantage, though, since most folks have no idea how long a body takes to become skeletonized. They'll eventually decide this is a miracle, canonize Sister Wilhelmina, and then talk endlessly about how wonderful it is a woman of color stands among the saints now. Considering they sainted Mother Theresa, I'm not sure that's much of an honor to speak of.
I was force-fed Catholicism from birth but as time passed, and I got some separation from my family, I came to the realization I am simply not wired for the kind of magical thinking religion requires, let alone Catholicism. Remove the magical thinking and special pleading from Christianity, and very little remains.
"Mary, Queen of the Apostles"?!?! Huh? Where the fuck do Catholics get all their dippy (but impressively holy sounding) terminology? (It's been a while since I read the bible, but I'm pretty sure there's nothing in it about the apostles having a queen--or wanting one.) Then again, I guess if you have the kind of mind that's impressed with preposterous neologisms like "incorrupt"when we already have the perfectly good word "uncorrupted," coming up with piffle like "Mary, Queen of the Apostles" must be duck soup.
According to Holy Mother Church, Mary is Queen of Heaven.
So that means she married YHVH once she got to heaven. Or since Jesus is called "King Of Kings," she married her son. And since the Holy Pigeon knocked her up, does that mean she married HIM?
What the?!?? The immediate assumption that the husband wasn't a Christian is mind-blowing; I have no idea what NZ's religious breakdown is, but the idea that person has cancer = nonChrisian is just pants-on-head stupid.
It's part of their indoctrination. That everything bad that happens to you is because you weren't Jesus-ing and Christian-ing hard enough.
By cult logic him being sick and dying is 100% Proof that he was Secretly Anti-Christian and this is Punishment, and if'll just Accept Jesus then he will be Miraculously Cured despite 000% proof of that ever happening.
That's why you'll see A LOT of Cultist posts prescribing ONLY prayer as the literal cure for EVERYTHING.
As some "I live in WeHo and have trans friends" comedian I saw in Vegas said, "Why should such a small part of the population get to change the language?"
It isn’t like the language is never changed by a small part of the population, it’s just in the past the small population were in power rather than the vulnerable.
Small populations change language all the time, half of 90's slang was from southern California for example. And there wasn't even a need for that like there is for more inclusive language.
Mabye a better miracle would've been for her not to have died at all? What if they never needed to exhume her? How they believe this shit is beyond me.
Interesting, at least. Paramahansa Yogananda, author of Autobiography of a Yogi, was alleged to have had similar observations about his body after his death in 1952. Whether his body was examined by independent observers or not, I don't know, and in that day and in India, it is far more likely that such an occurrence would be treated as a "miracle." In THIS day and age, I would sincerely hope that someone would insist on a dispassionate analysis of the body and the circumstances surrounding the nun's burial and exhumation.
Still, I think we can depend on the RCC to ignore science and scream "MIRACLE" at the top of their lungs.
The religious are moved by the sight of a well-preserved religious corpse but have no feeling whatsoever for a 10-year-old girl who needed to travel across state lines to get an abortion after being raped and impregnated.
The religious are seriously screwed up.
No feeling? They were livid that she got the abortion. IIRC, correctly, some government official was trying to revoke the physician's license.
𝐈𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐚 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫: 𝐂𝐚𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐢𝐧 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝟏𝟎-𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫-𝐨𝐥𝐝
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65714672
Unless she mentioned the patient's name or other identifying characteristics I don't think she did anything wrong. I feel like political pressure made the board feel they had to issue some kind of adverse ruling, but really, is $3k much to a doctor, seems kind of like a $30k fine to an NFL star that makes $5M a year.
They only wanted to brand her as an abortion activist. You know, the type that wants to abort all babies, the type that has had many abortions herself, the type that invites friends over for abortion parties. She hates men and kids and the law has got to teach her a lesson. /s
Indiana will be losing yet another doctor after this fiasco.
Better for Republicans. Mike Pence 2024!
Damn straight she is a good doctor.
No good feelings. Just bad ones. That's what I meant by "no feeling."
Yeah, Yeah, I saw it after I posted. DRD moment.
With Catholics, ideology is far more important than facts or people. Parishioners can either fall in line, or be excommunicated or otherwise punished for their lack of faith and obedience.
Organizations should serve people, not the other way around. The RCC has yet to learn this lesson.
It's worked for them for 16-17 centuries.
The Christofascist Prosperity Evangelicals are big on ideology too. They scare the hell out of me.
J.P. Richardson a.k.a Big Bopper was exhumed in 2007, at the request of his son, to give answer to the theory that he might have initially survived the plane crash and walked 40 feet away from the wreckage (x-rays determined broken and fractured bones that he did not). He was found to be remarkably preserved with a slightly purplish color to his skin. So St. Bopper, patron saint of rock it is.. 😄
When they exhumed him, he actually spoke. He said "Hell-o baaaaabay!"
Makes as much sense as this nun nonsense* and he objectively contributed positively to society. I'm getting me a St Bopper icon to put on my guitar amp.
Nunsense?! Huh? Huh? nevermind.
I've considered a St. Vidicon of the Cathode icon for my monitor.
There is a perfectly plausible explanation for this "miracle". The church will downplay that as much as possible to keep the gullible believing, and to deflect from the almost daily revelations of abuse.
You just beat me to it. This is a deliberate distraction.
Came across this on my fb feed.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1534830836769348/permalink/3377076392544774/
My comment was that there’s a difference between forgetting the pickles and hundreds of priests molesting thousands of children in just one city. No one should ever be that hungry.
Private group.
Sorry. I found it on Dinosaurs Against Christians Against Dinosaurs, page. The post was posted there to make fun of the post, which originally came from Starting your day with Christ. The post reads:
“McDonald’s can mess your order up 101 times and you still keep going back……..
One thing goes wrong at Church and you Quit.
People just aren’t hungry enough!”
And thinking about it again, folks flip their shit over a mixup at McDonalds all the time, all the Karen videos are evidence. Yet no one, not anyone screams at the priests or preachers or ministers, youth pastors et al. for touching their children. There’s no throwing food, no flipping chairs or damaging property, slamming doors, bullying passersby, or any tantrum over minor inconveniences when it comes to the safety of children in a church. People really do get upset over the exact wrong things.
It's two for one, money will flow too.
What is the suggested "donation" for admission to see the corpse?
Everything in your pocket, I assume.
No idea, the only relic I can give a fuck is Aria's food bowl (which she didn't like and never used).
Science schmience. If the Pope says it's a miracle, then it's a miracle.
I know it's really obtuse of me, but I don't quite understand how a body covered with a layer of mold qualifies ans "incorrupt." Did the same God who supposedly kept everything else about the corpse intact forget to notify the moldiverse, or what? If I found a piece of cheese in my refrigerator covered with mold and cheese mites, I wouldn't assume it was still edible. I'd toss it in the trash as fast as I could. If I found a slice of bread covered with green fungus, it would go into the trash too, in a heartbeat. The trash. That's where virtually everything about the goddamned Catholic church, the institution built on human ignorance and gullibility, belongs
Holy Moldly.
Not allowed to like.
That actually makes it all the more perplexing that her flesh was not decomposed under that layer of mold. Mold grows as things decompose sometimes, yet there was no decomposition. There's something to that. Not entirely sure what, yet it is at least unusual.
““We think she is the first African American woman to be found incorrupt,” said Mother Cecilia, the abbess for the monastery, to Catholic News Agency…
…For its part, the Church has not yet declared this a miracle.“
I wonder why the church hasn’t declared it yet?
Take your pick. African, American, woman. Any of the three could lead to a "I'm coming Elizabeth" moment.
:-D
There must be some seriously firmly clutched rosaries right now, praying for guidance on just how to work with this.
"Why do you test us so, Lord?!"
Gotta wait for the guy in the pointy hat and flashy gown to show up and wave his magic stick around.
Sounds like something we should call the cops for.
It's not a drag queen reading children's stories aloud in a library.
I'm sure they are making calculations. They have to decide if this is good for their brand or makes them look silly and antiquated.
About 25 years ago there was a small church in the Sierra Nevada mountains that had a Genuine miracle of the Virgin Mary. Every afternoon, a pattern of lights would appear on the wall of the church. People saw without a doubt that it was the Virgin Mary appearing in this church. They came from miles around to witness the miracle. I remember one woman saying, “it is the Virgin Mary, and her message is world peace.” (shades of Fatima). The local bishop, being unwilling to either authenticate the miracle or deny it, covered his ass beautifully and came up with the classic from, I think, Thomas Aquinas. "for those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no explanation as possible.”
Except, of course, that wasn’t true either. They actually sought out an explanation. They called in a scientist to find the source of this miracle, if it could be found. (If they called in a photographer like myself, it would’ve taken me about five minutes and a long stick to disapprove the “miracle”). The scientist was unable to find the source of the miracle, but he did say that it was reflection or refraction from some unknown source, and would probably not appear on the first cloudy day.
Guess what? On the first cloudy day, and on every cloudy day thereafter, the virgin failed to make her appearance. Moreover, later in the year, when the sun changed its position, the virgin stopped making her appearance. So much for that miracle. Science, real science, disproved what faith simply assumed.
The standard of proof for this miracle was apallingly low. All there really was, was the need for people to believe in a miracle, in order to "validate" their faith, but actually INVALIDATING it. It's not faith any more, but faith that has been "proved" to be true. They want it both ways.
At the same time, they really don’t want it both ways. They have no explanation why the Virgin Mary would appear as a pattern of lights on the wall in the church, or why she would appear to three illiterate peasant children when Lisbon, worldwide press, and universities were just a few miles away, something that would actually prove her existence and the truth of their faith and theology. Repeating myself, at the same time, they really don’t want it both ways. They have absolutely silly stuff like a single communion wafer turning into heart tissue with a ridiculously low standard of proof, when it would be relatively simple to turn a whole pile of them into heart tissue, Right in front of all of those atheist scientists, easily replicable to unlimited "atheist scientists", thus convincing the entire world that the Christian story is true. But that has NEVER happened, has it, because god needs to "test our faith". Why he needs to test our faith is never explained, and Real proof is never forthcoming. They would be upset if it did, because that takes the magic away from your faith.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/clearwater-virgin-mary
If that doesn't prove that God is real and Jesus loves us, I can't imagine what does.
This cracks me up. Clearwater, FL, has been taken over by Scientologists. ;)
Downtown Clearwater is a ghost town because scientology members have bought a lot of property and let the storefronts sit empty.
Yes, I go there every few years when visiting my SIL near Tampa. The beach and the restaurants and shops near the ocean are still good, but driving past the downtown area is ghostly...and ghastly!
Sadly, this is really variations on the old saw, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." The Catholic Church has rarely cared about facts, especially when facts threaten their doctrine or authority. Worse, there are not enough people stepping up to challenge their delusional attitude.
It will take a massive effort to move them off the dime.
Laying her out in the open and letting gawkers touch her is a sure-fire way to preserve her. /s
Just remember to breathe through your mouth.
It doesn't always work, mint/eucalyptus/ginger candies are better.
Something I've been told more than once is that the body of the deceased is, in many cases, lasting longer thanks to the number of preservatives most people are eating every day. I'm not entirely sure that's really true, but it certainly seems plausible, doesn't it?
This is one of those issues that exists mostly because people (including me) don't want to talk about it for the most part. We all know we won't live forever, but we don't want to think about what might happen to our remains after we die. It's normal. I will say I feel like the RCC is using that unwillingness to talk or think about the issue to its advantage, though, since most folks have no idea how long a body takes to become skeletonized. They'll eventually decide this is a miracle, canonize Sister Wilhelmina, and then talk endlessly about how wonderful it is a woman of color stands among the saints now. Considering they sainted Mother Theresa, I'm not sure that's much of an honor to speak of.
I was force-fed Catholicism from birth but as time passed, and I got some separation from my family, I came to the realization I am simply not wired for the kind of magical thinking religion requires, let alone Catholicism. Remove the magical thinking and special pleading from Christianity, and very little remains.
The grift abides.
It would almost be tolerable if it just abided. The problem is that it metastasizes.
Ya mean...MO' MONEY?!?!?
I take no comfort in that.
They say only death and taxes are eternal, but the truth is the grift never ends.
And after all, religion is here to comfort us. What's wrong with that?(TM)
"Mary, Queen of the Apostles"?!?! Huh? Where the fuck do Catholics get all their dippy (but impressively holy sounding) terminology? (It's been a while since I read the bible, but I'm pretty sure there's nothing in it about the apostles having a queen--or wanting one.) Then again, I guess if you have the kind of mind that's impressed with preposterous neologisms like "incorrupt"when we already have the perfectly good word "uncorrupted," coming up with piffle like "Mary, Queen of the Apostles" must be duck soup.
According to Holy Mother Church, Mary is Queen of Heaven.
So that means she married YHVH once she got to heaven. Or since Jesus is called "King Of Kings," she married her son. And since the Holy Pigeon knocked her up, does that mean she married HIM?
Heavenly polygamy.
Heavenly incestuous polygamy.
With some bestiality thrown in.
In for a penny...
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/634/554/c8c.jpg
Minor detail. Don't let it ruin the narrative.
Nowadays it's called reverse harem 😋
Bet she does all the housework while the Trinity sits on the couch watching TV, belching and farting.
These people get paid to sit around and come up with shit like this.
OT
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300886478/woman-told-dying-husband-needs-to-accept-jesus-during-blood-test
Seems to happen everywhere there are christians. Sigh!
To the phlebotomist...
If he didn't accept Jesus, something bad would happen? He's dying of freaking cancer, you dimwitted cross-swinger!
Only if they can return the blood they took out as wine.
What the?!?? The immediate assumption that the husband wasn't a Christian is mind-blowing; I have no idea what NZ's religious breakdown is, but the idea that person has cancer = nonChrisian is just pants-on-head stupid.
It's part of their indoctrination. That everything bad that happens to you is because you weren't Jesus-ing and Christian-ing hard enough.
By cult logic him being sick and dying is 100% Proof that he was Secretly Anti-Christian and this is Punishment, and if'll just Accept Jesus then he will be Miraculously Cured despite 000% proof of that ever happening.
That's why you'll see A LOT of Cultist posts prescribing ONLY prayer as the literal cure for EVERYTHING.
ICD-10 code for death by Jesus: 666.IV
If he had jesused hard enough, he would not have had cancer!
Taking kids to see a corpse? No problem.
Calling a kid by zir preferred pronoun? Outrageous!
(FWIW, I don’t have a problem with a kid seeing a corpse either, depending upon the situation. This situation? Not so much.)
As some "I live in WeHo and have trans friends" comedian I saw in Vegas said, "Why should such a small part of the population get to change the language?"
Answer: Because the language is insufficient.
It isn’t like the language is never changed by a small part of the population, it’s just in the past the small population were in power rather than the vulnerable.
Small populations change language all the time, half of 90's slang was from southern California for example. And there wasn't even a need for that like there is for more inclusive language.
https://youtu.be/R5Q1yVLSR3I
World's most annoying speech pattern, I swear. Ugh.
"Uptalk" drives me NUTS.
Mabye a better miracle would've been for her not to have died at all? What if they never needed to exhume her? How they believe this shit is beyond me.
But it would've been a bit gruesome to open that casket and for her to be alive, eh?
Obviously, they remembered to burp the seal.
I guess Sister Wilhelmina will be the centerfold in the next issue of Play Necrophile.
Interesting, at least. Paramahansa Yogananda, author of Autobiography of a Yogi, was alleged to have had similar observations about his body after his death in 1952. Whether his body was examined by independent observers or not, I don't know, and in that day and in India, it is far more likely that such an occurrence would be treated as a "miracle." In THIS day and age, I would sincerely hope that someone would insist on a dispassionate analysis of the body and the circumstances surrounding the nun's burial and exhumation.
Still, I think we can depend on the RCC to ignore science and scream "MIRACLE" at the top of their lungs.