I flew Frontier Airlines only once, in 2019. Even though the flight was free for me and my brother-in-law, I would never ever consider flying them again. I feel the same way about ryanair and Baltic air.
In the case of Frontier, I had to take my pills. I asked the flight attendant for some water, and she told me it would be three dollars. And she gave me a look that defied me to disagree with her. I just told her that my pills could wait.
I once heard Frontier Airlines described as the closest one could come in America, in both the quality of seating and service, to the experience of Soviet-era Aeroflot. On that matter, I will defer to the judgment of the elderly gentleman with the Russian accent in the next seat over (*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐 𝘳𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘮𝘺 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥 "𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘵" 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘯 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘤𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘺); to call that airline a pile of shit would be an insult to shit, and airlines. And piles.
The Satans in the Old Testament were servants of God. They were angelic beings given a role by God as an adversary to specific humans or humanity. It wasn't a name, it was a description. The angel in Job, the angel that stood in the path of Balaam, the angel that accused Joshua.
The modern day Satanic Temple is an adversary of Christian Nationalists and God bless them for it. I mean... if there is a good god, they would bless the Satanic Temple for their work.
So kindly fuck off with your white Christian Evangelical privilege and Christian nationalism, lady.
And then to further demonstrate that her opposition to ASS is based on Bronze Age superstition, she organizes a Magick ritual that places a magical ward against evil around the school. I guess she missed the Bible class on avoiding the practice of sorcery.
“Here's why: First of all, can we look at a policy that simply states a club's title needs to be descriptive to the activity of the club?”
Then the Good News Clubs are out. It’s not news. It ain’t good. Besides that, there’s no description regarding the activities involved, just like the After School Satan clubs. If we were to call the GNCs what they are, you’d get bent out of shape because no one wants to be called out as indoctrination clubs. But that’s all they are.
Christian on Christian violence, in the name of Christianity, has spilled enough blood to float the Navy. Based on their relative body-counts in the Old Testament, I never understood how Satan got labeled as the bad guy in the first place. The God of the OT was a blood-thirsty monster, perpetually outraged over events he had to know were going to happen before they happened. I suspect this woman's thinking stems from only ever having been exposed to apologetics, and not actual history.
You need to learn the difference between managing and owning.
2 English.
"Nazis and KKKs are terrible, but Satanists are the worst and absolutely contrary to everything I believe and stand for."
I still remember a good part of my final essay for my Bac Pro, we can start with Hitler youths and how, unlike Satan clubs it was mandatory, but I have a feeling we will have to go back to 2 and have you to look for the meaning of mandatory.
3 History.
No quote but a fourth subject will need to be studied. The separation of church and state.
4 Civic lessons, with a side of history.
Y'a du pain sur la planche* avec son cas. And she has the prétention to help manage a school ?
Conclusion, she has Davis for last name but has no Angela's or Bette's brains.
Binary search. You eliminate half of the remaining choices with each flip. log2(45000) is 16 rounded up. Same way playoff brackets work (I don't know about France, but in the US, unless you live under a rock every March, you can't help but know about playoff brackets)
The bloody, gory, history of Europe is to no small extent the story of Christian-on-Christian violence. It had a lot to do with why the American founding fathers gave religion no role in government.
Christians have never had a problem with killing in the name of their religion, and would do so again if not for our secular govenment preventing them.
There's only one place on the stinking planet where Christianity hasn't managed a slaughter or two, yet... and it's a good thing for them that they keep their arrows sharp.
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
But the Bible says many awful things too. Stoning disobedient children, marrying women to their rapist, and of course there is the penalty for homosexuality.
It's Schrödinger's moral guide. You find justification for who you already were. The TST has a consistent message of morality, the same cannot be said for Christian denominations.
Well, tenet 3 is enough for many Christians to call the TST evil. They value live women over a parasitic clump of cells that may, if it survives, become a living, breathing child. At which point, most of those Christians forget about zir and leave zir to zirs own devices. The TST tries to insure the child has food, shelter, healthcare, and an education per tenet 1. The Horror!
I have no problem with this. ASS can change to "Critical thinking activities with lego, sponsored by The Satanic Temple," while the GNC can change theirs to "Bible study, sponsored by [local evangelical church name]." Let's see how that goes.
Christian child proselytizers regularly use deceptively named meetings. You want to take the deception away, it'll hurt Christianity a lot more than any other religious outreach group.
"The Good News" just means The New Testament. Let's see THEM change their name. Why are they being so deceptive? Do they know that they might not hook enough kids to groom if they called it what it really is, considering how kids are becoming less and less enamored of religion?
Wow, ASS clubs are worse than Nazis and the KKK!?! Let’s have a look at how many Satanic Temple members have lynched people. How many they’ve gassed. How many they’ve beaten in the streets. Or how many churches they’ve bombed. None, you say? Hmmm, makes me wonder what you think makes a person bad. Looks like a bad person is anyone who isn’t exactly like you, no matter what the person like you does to harm others and that what the bad person actually believes is a societal good.
The Satanic Temple has never lied, which is more than I can say about you. Their presence, and nose tweaking (by using the the name Satan) does not rise to the vilification you are doing in your speech. So, you do not get to complain they are demonizing Christians. They are simply exercising their religious freedom and providing the children an option to do the same.
Like it or not, The Satanic Temple is recognized by the government as an official religion. So not using their name in their club would not be describing their club at all. Plus, they get the same protections and privileges any Christian group would. Choke on that.
At this point, Tuesday morning, there are thirty-plus comments. I just read through them, and most correspondents try to apply rational thought and logic to the situation. Cleary Lisa does not.
The deeply believing modern Christian is delusional and, as such, is unable to process any situation without the religious filter that makes her misinterpret reality.
Ahhh, the "religious filter," a.k.a. "god-glasses." Any "logic" which Ms. Davis might apply in attempting to deal with The Satanic Temple and After School Satan clubs is characterized by those god-glasses, virtually as an automatic process. As a result, the straw man arguments she makes against TST and its programs are equally predictable.
In all of history, I have never heard of Satan -- beyond the Bible -- and his disciples actually causing chaos to human beings.
I have heard of good Christians and Nazis, however, engaging in ghastly acts of genocide.
As saint kellyanne conwoman stated, it's alternative facts.
Nobody believes in ordinary reality and truth anymore.
The 2020 Presidential Election was rigged but WWE is real.
Right? Where the hell did all these flat earthers come from??
The Earth IS Flat!
Ask them!
Their magazine says they have "members across the globe!"
That last is true...it's in the subscription form.
Also, the bible is true because it says so in the bible!
Circular reasoning at its very finest!
They mean Shakespeare Globe theater.
They must all be marching in protest around and around the reproduction theater in London.
Satanists were responsible for the Bowl Green Massacre.
They could've fixed it if they just took the metro to the airport in 1751. But they decided to walk
My ancestors tried that, but their flight was delayed by 152 years. Still better than Frontier Airlines.
Was that when the Continental Army took over the airports?
I flew Frontier Airlines only once, in 2019. Even though the flight was free for me and my brother-in-law, I would never ever consider flying them again. I feel the same way about ryanair and Baltic air.
In the case of Frontier, I had to take my pills. I asked the flight attendant for some water, and she told me it would be three dollars. And she gave me a look that defied me to disagree with her. I just told her that my pills could wait.
Should have asked for a glass of ice. In a half-hour or so you'd have water.
I once heard Frontier Airlines described as the closest one could come in America, in both the quality of seating and service, to the experience of Soviet-era Aeroflot. On that matter, I will defer to the judgment of the elderly gentleman with the Russian accent in the next seat over (*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐 𝘳𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘮𝘺 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥 "𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘵" 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘯 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘤𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘺); to call that airline a pile of shit would be an insult to shit, and airlines. And piles.
https://youtu.be/-api7B5x9E0
Truer words were never spoken.
Thank you muchly.
You're just going out of your way to be picky.
Any time I face neo-Nazis, I just fall back on Mel Brooks, who made a great career out of ridiculing them.
..but nuthing like the alt nazis. Good times.
'Glossy eyes' says "bad satanist!"
The Satans in the Old Testament were servants of God. They were angelic beings given a role by God as an adversary to specific humans or humanity. It wasn't a name, it was a description. The angel in Job, the angel that stood in the path of Balaam, the angel that accused Joshua.
The modern day Satanic Temple is an adversary of Christian Nationalists and God bless them for it. I mean... if there is a good god, they would bless the Satanic Temple for their work.
So kindly fuck off with your white Christian Evangelical privilege and Christian nationalism, lady.
She says it all when she includes Antifa in her rant. Lady, if you are against anti-fascism then you must be pro-fascism.
"Fascist Christian Nationalism is the best form of government, putting everyone in their place, by force if necessary."
How else can we preserve our democracy?!!!?11??
"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free."
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She probably doesn't know what "Antifa" actually means, only what Faux News tells her.
I did once observe to a RWNJ that US soldiers during WW II were Antifa. Pretty much by definition.
That's how she knows Satanists are worse than Nazis. She's a Nazi and she knows she's better than the Satanists.
And then to further demonstrate that her opposition to ASS is based on Bronze Age superstition, she organizes a Magick ritual that places a magical ward against evil around the school. I guess she missed the Bible class on avoiding the practice of sorcery.
But, you see, if it's prayer to the Christian god, it's DIFFERENT! That's not sorcery, it's just real!
Consensus Reality is strong in them.
“Here's why: First of all, can we look at a policy that simply states a club's title needs to be descriptive to the activity of the club?”
Then the Good News Clubs are out. It’s not news. It ain’t good. Besides that, there’s no description regarding the activities involved, just like the After School Satan clubs. If we were to call the GNCs what they are, you’d get bent out of shape because no one wants to be called out as indoctrination clubs. But that’s all they are.
So, go on.
Christian on Christian violence, in the name of Christianity, has spilled enough blood to float the Navy. Based on their relative body-counts in the Old Testament, I never understood how Satan got labeled as the bad guy in the first place. The God of the OT was a blood-thirsty monster, perpetually outraged over events he had to know were going to happen before they happened. I suspect this woman's thinking stems from only ever having been exposed to apologetics, and not actual history.
"carte blanc"
Carte blancHE, chérie, carte blancHE.
1 French. Prière de respecter ma langue, steup.
"in one of our—one of my—elementary schools"
You need to learn the difference between managing and owning.
2 English.
"Nazis and KKKs are terrible, but Satanists are the worst and absolutely contrary to everything I believe and stand for."
I still remember a good part of my final essay for my Bac Pro, we can start with Hitler youths and how, unlike Satan clubs it was mandatory, but I have a feeling we will have to go back to 2 and have you to look for the meaning of mandatory.
3 History.
No quote but a fourth subject will need to be studied. The separation of church and state.
4 Civic lessons, with a side of history.
Y'a du pain sur la planche* avec son cas. And she has the prétention to help manage a school ?
Conclusion, she has Davis for last name but has no Angela's or Bette's brains.
* French saying meaning it will be a lot of work.
But she does all her work with a Montblanche pen, so it all evens out.
*Prepare a dozen of MontBlanche dessert cans*
I think you need more iron in your diet 😇
She also shares her last name with Kim of Kentucky
One can wonder if they don't share some genes two.
Not to mention Jefferson Davis.
and maybe an ex-husband or two?
Carte blancHE, chérie, carte blancHE.
At Saint Joan said to Saint Bette...
But ya are, blancHE. Ya are.
https://ibb.co/YXhL4Dk
Vous etes blanc? Vous avez blanc? Depends on the meaning..
...and certainly no Miles' anything.
Je suis d'accord!
She celebrates National Religious Freedom Day by stepping on a religious system she disapproves of?
Religious freedom. I do not think it means what she thinks it means.
Religious freedom to worship her god, silly man. She is kind enough to allow you to go to the church of your choice.
But...but...there are more than 45,000 different Christians sects in the world. Each claiming to be the "right" one. However shall I choose?
Throw a coin 44999 times.
And it'll still be wrong. Cuz Christianity, like all religions, is based on fantasy.
Binary search. You eliminate half of the remaining choices with each flip. log2(45000) is 16 rounded up. Same way playoff brackets work (I don't know about France, but in the US, unless you live under a rock every March, you can't help but know about playoff brackets)
https://ibb.co/YXhL4Dk
You should know that christian sects is binary!
Satanists are worse than Nazis, Crazyface?
Unlike your delusions, the Nazis really were Christians. Just. Like. You. Oh, and the KKK are Christians, in case you conveniently forgot.
The bloody, gory, history of Europe is to no small extent the story of Christian-on-Christian violence. It had a lot to do with why the American founding fathers gave religion no role in government.
It's mean. Who the christians were supposed to kill* once they, officially, got rid of the Pagans ?
*Between two rounds of pogroms of course.
Christians have never had a problem with killing in the name of their religion, and would do so again if not for our secular govenment preventing them.
Some never stopped, peu importe what your laws say.
There's only one place on the stinking planet where Christianity hasn't managed a slaughter or two, yet... and it's a good thing for them that they keep their arrows sharp.
"she organized a “prayer walk”"
For their safety, no simultaneous chewing of gum was allowed.
I like how it prominently lists "this week's Sabbath" after "Sunday." Because nothing says religiously inclusive like that.
The sabbath is Saturday. They do not even know that their worship was moved to the sun's day.
Friday evening to Saturday evening, to be precise. 😃
As opposed to 𝘯𝘦𝘹𝘵 week's Sabbath?
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Lisa Davis is against all of that.
Even The Bible, itself, says stuff like this, but in a different kind of a writing form.
Can't Lisa ever realize that her Bible says things that are similar to what the club teaches or is it too much for her to take?
But the Bible says many awful things too. Stoning disobedient children, marrying women to their rapist, and of course there is the penalty for homosexuality.
It's Schrödinger's moral guide. You find justification for who you already were. The TST has a consistent message of morality, the same cannot be said for Christian denominations.
Agree.
As NOGODZ would say "do you really think she reads her bible ?"
Well, tenet 3 is enough for many Christians to call the TST evil. They value live women over a parasitic clump of cells that may, if it survives, become a living, breathing child. At which point, most of those Christians forget about zir and leave zir to zirs own devices. The TST tries to insure the child has food, shelter, healthcare, and an education per tenet 1. The Horror!
𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑙𝑙, 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑤𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑎 𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑏'𝑠 𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑏?
I have no problem with this. ASS can change to "Critical thinking activities with lego, sponsored by The Satanic Temple," while the GNC can change theirs to "Bible study, sponsored by [local evangelical church name]." Let's see how that goes.
Christian child proselytizers regularly use deceptively named meetings. You want to take the deception away, it'll hurt Christianity a lot more than any other religious outreach group.
"deceptively named"
See "Freedom", "Family", and "Liberty".
They certainly are deceptive labels, the way US xians use the words.
"First of all, can we look at a policy that simply states a club's title needs to be descriptive to the activity of the club?"
So, require the Good News Club to change its name to Right Wing Christian Indoctrination Club.
"The Good News" just means The New Testament. Let's see THEM change their name. Why are they being so deceptive? Do they know that they might not hook enough kids to groom if they called it what it really is, considering how kids are becoming less and less enamored of religion?
I think I get now the Christian right’s attitude towards public schools. They’re conquistadors. Slaughter and pillage. Convert what is left.
Thank you. That seem absolutely correct.
You forgot "then slaughter the converts anyway."
And confiscate their money/wealth/wimmins.
Wow, ASS clubs are worse than Nazis and the KKK!?! Let’s have a look at how many Satanic Temple members have lynched people. How many they’ve gassed. How many they’ve beaten in the streets. Or how many churches they’ve bombed. None, you say? Hmmm, makes me wonder what you think makes a person bad. Looks like a bad person is anyone who isn’t exactly like you, no matter what the person like you does to harm others and that what the bad person actually believes is a societal good.
The Satanic Temple has never lied, which is more than I can say about you. Their presence, and nose tweaking (by using the the name Satan) does not rise to the vilification you are doing in your speech. So, you do not get to complain they are demonizing Christians. They are simply exercising their religious freedom and providing the children an option to do the same.
Like it or not, The Satanic Temple is recognized by the government as an official religion. So not using their name in their club would not be describing their club at all. Plus, they get the same protections and privileges any Christian group would. Choke on that.
At this point, Tuesday morning, there are thirty-plus comments. I just read through them, and most correspondents try to apply rational thought and logic to the situation. Cleary Lisa does not.
The deeply believing modern Christian is delusional and, as such, is unable to process any situation without the religious filter that makes her misinterpret reality.
or……
shes batsh*t crazy
Ahhh, the "religious filter," a.k.a. "god-glasses." Any "logic" which Ms. Davis might apply in attempting to deal with The Satanic Temple and After School Satan clubs is characterized by those god-glasses, virtually as an automatic process. As a result, the straw man arguments she makes against TST and its programs are equally predictable.
And predictably batshit crazy.