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Christian Nationalists trying to mark territory. Must be a day ending in "y".

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Conservative Christians NEVER stop trying to mark their territory in the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. They never cite Article VI of the Constitution that bans religious tests for holding public office in the United States. That is a very strange thing to include in the foundational document of a country whose founders were trying to create a Christian country. As for David Barton, he may as well call himself an astronaut as a historian. His degree in Bible studies from Oral Roberts doesn't qualify him to teach American history at the grade school level.

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I see this as more desperation from Christians who see themselves losing power and influence as the nones overrun their positions. Tomorrow, I have every reason to believe that Ohio will fail to pass Issue One, which attempts to raise the threshold for changes to its constitution to 60%, to prevent a November issue which will reestablish the rights of women to access abortion services in our state.

I fully expect the pro-forced-birth contingent to well and truly lose their shit when Issue One goes down to defeat, and more so when the Women's Health issue passes [knock wood!].

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They are definitely fighting a rear-guard action in the vain attempt to win the culture wars they lost a long time ago, with an authoritarian top-down approach. Day by day they cede ground they will never recover. Their obsessive need to indoctrinate children with ideas most educated adults would reject if hearing them for the first time, demonstrates just how weak their arguments are.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

If Trump gets back in power these groups will be there right with him and will help him implement an authoritarian dystopia.

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For sure. Conservative religion and authoritarian government are natural allies. They always have been. I do not think there is any chance of Trump being reelected. Nothing will get Democrats to the polls quite like the prospect of a second Trump Presidency.

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I hope you're right but I wish the Dems had someone other than Biden at the head of the ticket. The issues of his age and his son's business activities are gaining traction.

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If Hunter Biden deserves jail, let him go to jail.

I would like to know what the Saudis paid Jared Kushner and Steve Mnuchin all that money for.

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I continue to be amazed that anyone at all thinks that the misdeeds of a person's RELATIVES should have any bearing whatsoever on that person's qualifications for positions of authority and responsibility.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

All of the GQP's attempts to invent a scandal around Biden are utterly failing with everyone outside their own hardcore base, and while I'm not one of Biden's bigger fans (like most prominent Democrats, he's far too conservative for my taste), the time to pick a different candidate was in 2020. A major party not supporting their own incumbent for President would be horrible optics, especially in the current political climate. It would be taken as an admission that the GQP's wild accusations have merit, and that would result in an unacceptable risk of a Republican taking the White House next year.

The stakes are far too high for playing games like that. Biden, as the incumbent, is the only viable candidate for the Democratic ticket. Even if he were in his 90s, as long as his campaign team could keep his ass on life support through Inauguration Day, he'd still be the best candidate to run in 2024- and all the Hunter drama just doesn't matter.

Hunter isn't the President, and he's not even working in the White House. Nobody who doesn't mainline Fox News gives a shit about Hunter, and none of them would be any more likely to vote for another Democrat than they are to vote for Biden. Everyone else understands that if Biden were really as corrupt as the GQP claims, and if he really had some nefarious personal stake in turning DOJ's eyes away from sonny-boy, he'd have just killed the whole issue with a stroke of the pen and dropped a pardon to squish the case before it ever got going. The fact that he could do so, and do it legally (since any charges against Hunter resulting from this would be Federal), is if anything a testament to his integrity as a President. That whole issue is a nothingburger, and it always has been.

The next practical opportunity to push a more progressive Democrat for President will be 2028. Until then, everyone wanting to shift the Democratic party leftward should focus their efforts on Congress, the state legislatures, and 𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 school board elections. That's where the most good can be done. We should absolutely not be trying to play chicken with the Law of Unintended Consequences over wanting someone other than Biden on the Presidential ticket.

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*Cross her fingers*

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Honestly I wouldn't put this at the feed of "Christians" per se or even the Christian population of this particular county. As the FFRF itself points out, this looks like it was airdropped in from one of the various conservative action groups. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire county support for this measure consisted of a number you colud count on one hand.

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It is fitting that the American Christian History/Heritage Month proclamation originates in El Dorado county. Both the proclamation and El Dorado are erroneous myths.

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FFS, the county is named "El Dorado', a classic legendary myth, a story of passionate delusionists going to ruination or their deaths searching for something that doesn't exist. How effing perfect for these bozos.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

It's named that because it's where the California gold rush started. So yes a nod to the myth, but the name is no evidence the people who named it thought the myth was real. Just a more lyrical name than Gold county or Minerton.

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Inspired by gold fever. Both the myth of El Dorado and the rush towards the gold in them thar hills. While it took the loss of much time and capital to put the myth of El Dorado to the test and find it wanting, the supervisors proclamation takes little time and no money to see it as the winner of the Protocols of Zion award of harmful bogus claims. Still the coincidence of their proclamation coming from El Dorado is like if the Flat Earth Society made a claim from The Village of Idiots.

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Plus the original story describe a Pagan ritual 🤣

A man covered with gold dust jump into a lake to reproduce one of their myths.

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You ever watch this? I remember seeing some of them, but never the whole series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Cities_of_Gold

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

One of DM and me all time favorite. Jean Chalopin also made a SciFi version of Odysseus.

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How about:

𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑒𝑥𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑑𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐶𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑖𝑎,

𝑊𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑔𝑢𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑖𝑒𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑠𝑎𝑙𝑎𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑑𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑑𝑟𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑜 𝑎 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑛 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑎𝑙.

Jeez. More territory marking and virtue signaling. Honestly, those seem to be the only two things (maybe add hand-waving and prayer proposals) they know how to do ... and they need to be called on it. Glad to see that the FFRF is on their case, as it comes to that.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

I'm pretty sure religion was an important part of life in the Americas *before* the age of exploration, too. Maybe someone should suggest a symbolic month dedicated to that?

If nothing else, it would test the board's willingness to allow symbolic acnowledgement of other American Heritages. Want to claim you passed this not because you're bigoted but because it's a token nonissue? Then let's see you pass some equilavent non-Christian token nonissues.

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And what flavor of christianity ? California was a spanish colony before being integrated in the USA.

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And look at all the "American" land the French held from Louisiana up to Canada.

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Reporting from a shit hole Baptist-choked state with a name.derived from the above mentioned french. Exactly.

Good morning, NG20! Good evening , BHM! Happy Tuesday, GS!

Still cool and cloudy in the Mid South as we approach afternoon. Hope everyone is having a decent day no matter what hemisphere or time zone you live in!

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Still stuck in Spring weather after having Summer in May and June.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

Cool, cloudy and rainy here. That's summer in the PNW for ya. :)

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At 11am it's sunny and 91F, it's expected to reach 105 today. A little warm even for August in South Texas.

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I experienced a Texas summer back in 1971. Tech School seemed a lot better than Basic Training, for some reason. Maybe I just got used to it.

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92‎°/34° with a feels like of 108°/42°

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It's all that hot air originating in Tallahassee.

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🥵🤢

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Rain. More rain during six hours than ever measured here before. Cellars and roads (not ours, but the neighbours) are flooding. Hurray.

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We still wrote songs about this time in the 70's

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYxKWA25fPQ

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

Damn. Even the subtitles are in French. Can't know what they're saying. :)

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

Ok. It's only the first part of the song until the first chorus.

There is in South of Louisiana

And in a corner of Canada

Bunches of guys bunches of women

Who sing in the same language as you

But when they play music

It's Rufus Thibodeaux's

They still dream of the America

Dreamed by their granddaddy

Who thought little who didn't thought

All Acadiens (men) all Acadiens (women)

Will jump will dance to the violin (sound)

Are Americans (men) they are Americans (women)

Whose fault then napoleon's fault.

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Will do.

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Possibly involves cheese and surrendering.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

Tell you what, we owe an enormous debt to the French for coming in on our side against the British during the American Revolution. Without them, we might not have won.

In the defeat at Yorktown, Cornwallis surrendered more to the French than the Americans.

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The flavor of the saliva of a Catholic slaver salivating over all the indigenous people under their control.

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Well, I doubt the First Nations people would have considered their religion a sect of Christianity.

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Ok, way to put words in my mouth. Read again, I speak specifically about christianity and how the state of California was a Spanish and catholic creation. If you are ready to jump on me for something I didn't say maybe we shouldn't communicate together.

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I wasn’t trying to jump on you. I was adding that the country was religious in a different way before the age of exploration that ericc was mentioning. It was a “yes and…” not a “ you are wrong”. I apologize if I came off rude.

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*Include picture of chocolate cake*

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I once again call upon rationalists who are alarmed at these developments to eschew the phrase "Christian nationalist" and go instead with an initial reference to "nationalist Christians", followed thereafter with the short form "nat-Cs".

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

To the County of El Dorado...

Here's an actual fact: The first 6 Presidents were Deists, not Christians. The first Christian President was that racist maniac Andrew Jackson.

Do we really have to quote the Key Founders and what they had to say about Christians and Christianity? Guaranteed you won't like it. It'll upset your prejudices.

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Do you think they know the difference between a Deist and a Christian?

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Willful ignorance? Heck, they don't know what their own bible says.

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No.

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After alternative facts, alternative history.

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Don't let pesky facts ruin the narrative.

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Not surprising.

My state has several large tracks of land that would feel more comfortable if they were in Alabama.

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I suspect there are urban centers in Alabama that would be more comfortable in California. There are a few in Texas, including its capital.

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OT- Chump gets more bad news, this time in Civil court: https://apnews.com/article/trump-carroll-rape-lawsuit-trial-countersuit-ce51d06c2cd71cca6f455527a9baacf7

The Spray-Tanned Shitgibbon's attempted countersuit against E Jean Carroll is DOA- meanwhile, 𝘩𝘦𝘳 ongoing suit against 𝘩𝘪𝘮 is on track to deliver another much-deserved court-slapping to the MAGAt-in-Chief this coming January.

I should really just start buying popcorn in bulk.

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"I should really just start buying popcorn in bulk."

Careful, too much will plug you up.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

Once I retire and have more time and don’t need to be professionally circumspect, I’m might try to get my state’s constitution amended to remove references to God. Maryland still has a line that says people can’t testify in court if they don’t profess god-belief. Not enforceable of course but it is still an affront.

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Non-enforceable, indeed. Article VI, paragraph 3 of the US Constitution might just have a little something to say about that.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 8, 2023

I am waiting for Alito to declare that the "no religion test" should not be read as "no (religion test)" but as "(no religion) test" as it was the explicit wish of the framers of the Constitution to eliminate atheists from any government function.

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Except that it's not "no religion test" but "no religious test," so any attempt on Alito's (or anyone else's) part to dick with it would be transparent.

The hell of it is, he might try anyway, because super-majority.

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It wouldn't matter. The fundies would continue to propagate the claim. And if called on it, they'd say they meant the original constitution.

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I don’t disagree with you but it would be another brick in the wall. Another step in the right direction.

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Aug 8, 2023·edited Aug 8, 2023

As a pat-myself-on the-back aside, I actually was the citizen primarily responsible for a change in local government procedures for redistricting county council districts. A committee was considering changes. I wrote a detailed, well-sourced, and dispassionate email to the committee with a very specific suggestion. And the next thing I knew the committee accepted my suggestion and it was eventually adopted by the local government as part of a package of reforms.

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Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023

David Barton. A man who wrote a book about Thomas Jefferson that was so riddled with errors and outright falsehoods that his own Christian publisher pulled it from sale.

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OT McConnell heckled with calls to 'retire' during speech in Kentucky.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna98495

“My friends, I’ll be honest, it’s not hard for Republicans to look good these days,” McConnell said amid audible boos from the crowd."

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It’s really easy to look good when you ignore all the horrendous shit you do.

The American people are heckling you to retire, they are not threatening violence, they’re not removing you from office (the Tennessee three), they’re not undermining the very nature of our democracy to overturn a lost election. And you do remember your party acting apeshit during the last several speeches Biden has made to congress?

The people are speaking, it is your job to listen to them Mr. McConnell. Not the other way around. Even if they are republicans.

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<-- See smile

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The horrendous shit is exactly what the good Christian people of Kenfucky want.

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There's a very good reason we call Mitch McConnell "Emperor Palpatine" at my house. You are, as always, welcome to join in.

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Where did the Turtle get a magic mirror that *LIES*? Narcissus?

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Moscow Mitch McConnell hasn't looked good in recent (and not so recent) memory. The man is a reactionary and an obstructionist, and how Kentuckians tolerate him, I have NO idea.

All I know is that I want him GONE.

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Wasn't he the one who had an absence while delivering a speech ?

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Yup. Just froze. All the signs of a stroke.

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They tried to flash his firmware without allowing time for the subsequent reboot. McConnellbot BSoD'd live in front of press.

(See also: CES 2005. https://www.forbes.com/feeds/general/2005/01/06/generalvnunet_2005_01_06_eng-vnunet_eng-vnunet_082507_6779699545293591617.html )

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It's not going to do any good as long as they keep letting angry chimpanzees on meth write the firmware.

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Or an epiphany that he is a total piece of shit? Nah, it was probably a stroke.

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Kentuckians are the problem. Moscow Mitch is their voice. Until he couldn't get any words to come out of his lie hole.

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I note that today marks the day in 1882 that the conflict between the Hatfields of West Virginia and the McCoys of Kentucky erupted into full-scale violence.

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All good, Christian folks fighting for what was rightfully theirs, as deemed by God himself.

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In two sides of a conflict, both sides like to state "God is on our side!"

Illustrates the insanity of that position.

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I don't need an official month, every Ceiling Cat damned day on every other block in town I'm reminded of the joke by every steeple (recently though there's been some domes, stuphas, and temples added in)

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founding

Due to a bizarre space-time anomaly, some parts of California are right next to Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, the Carolinas, and Florida. For your safety and sanity, please avoid those parts of California.

I DEMAND that the County of El Dorado declare the Month of February (the month of the birth of Epicurus in 341 BC) to be Atheist Heritage Month.

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My state is roughly divided between west of the Cascades and east of the Cascades. The latter is Jesusland.

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I don't actually have a problem with a 'Christian History Month' in principal, provided 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒕𝒆𝒂𝒄𝒉 𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒖𝒂𝒍 𝑪𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒂𝒏 𝒉𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒚. You know, stuff like how the modern-day Christian bible was created, the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch trials, support of slavery, and just who Joseph Smith actually was. Honest, accurate history and where most Christians stood on the issues of the time in question to help deepen public understanding of who Christians are.

If I believed that would be what would happen, I'd be fine with having such a month. I might even encourage it. Too much Christian history just doesn't get taught at church, presumably because they're pushing an agenda. Knowing that it's not going to be anything like that, I find I can't support the deliberate deception of the public for what will likely amount to a White Christian Nationalist push for power. I may not know when American Christianity became the 'religion for those seeking power over others' but I'm not blind enough to miss that it did happen.

El Dorado should never have passed this, and I hope the FFRF's letter manages to convince them it was always a bad idea.

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How Charlemagne massac... converted German tribes. And the friendly relationships between European countries through the 16th to 18th centuries.

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Not to mention the forced conversions of Northern Europeans a bit later than Charlemagne.

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