Conservative religionists of all stripes always operate under the delusion that forcing their religion on others is not only okay, but will always have a happy ending. Facts do not matter them. Joe Kennedy is just one more fool trying to make a buck on religion, by presenting himself as a victim of the godless left. On the plus side, the days are numbered for people like Joe Kennedy. Religion cedes ground with every passing year they will never recover. I think there are people alive today who will see religion's influence reduced to the point of irrelevance.
They don't think of it as forcing their religion on others. Many of them truly believe that their religion is the default condition, and anyone who doesn't follow it is forcing religion on them. The ones who know better don't care, because the forced conformity is the goal.
PRECISELY! These people are so immersed in their faith that they can't consider any normal condition to be WITHOUT it. Much of this is the result of living in a bubble, in a community which is so predominantly Christian that the idea arises that THIS IS HOW IT IS EVERYWHERE.
Very true. People like that live in a religious bubble, and they just can't imagine that there is anyone who doesn't (live in *their specific* bubble.) I know because I was brought up in a conservative catholic bubble. What amazed me when I was getting out, when I first got out, and really up to today, decades later, is how fragile that bubble was. It took an inordinate amount of effort to create and maintain it, starting with daily life-long indoctrination. But the least little bit of pushback, the least little bit of information coming in from outside it, and the whole thing collapsed. Once it collapsed for me, my five siblings followed suit at similar ages, and the non-belief spread. By the time the one remaining believer died in 2009, she was the only believer over 3 generations of the extended family. Nobody else thought that maintaining that bubble was worth the time and energy. (We did let her have her delusions though.)
"the one found in the bible" The ONE? There are two contradictory stories in the first two chapters of Genesis, and there are at least a half dozen more scattered through the Old Testament. (There are two mutually exclusive stories in Psalms alone.) Trying to determine just exactly what Yahweh wants is to believe is trickier than trying to train amoebas.
"Many of them believe that their religion is the default condition." You are being too kind, Joe. Even liberal Christians, who might acknowledge other religions having some validity, still somehow want to bring the world to Christ. It is still all about Jesus. Though yoga and meditation might be OK.
So, I think it is safe to say most, or nearly all Christians feel good because they know that if they have faith, through the grace of god, they will be saved from their own fears. Most christians who consider themselves liberal, would still be sad if they knew someone was an atheist.
And they soothe their (occasionally) troubled minds with pablum like "We all believe in the same God." It's hogwash, like everything else in their world, but it keeps them going.
I’m fairly certain that Christians who think God views homosexuality as an abomination and Christians who think God sanctifies same sex marriage can’t possibly believe in the same god.
DM's grandparents, her grandfather was already an atheist when they met, her grandmother was a catholic (albeit one of the most disobedient one who ever existed).
Willing to wager? In the US 70 million plus voted for Trump and, like Joker Kennedy, fervently live the God Delusion every day of their lives and will continue to live in that bubble. "In God We Trust"--Says it right there.
Plus tons of other non-MAGA who are devout Christians and Catholics, including family members of every commenter on this site. No, humans will be saddled with the Jesus, Allah and Yahweh albatross for a long, long time. On the positive side, Hemant will never be out of a job.
None of these kids were around while he was coaching originally, they have no link to him. The other coaches are busy coaching. I’m glad to see him all by his lonesome on the field. Even if a bunch of lookie loos came to cheer him on in the stands, there probably wasn’t as many as he wanted.
And the kids must be all too aware that he has cost their school more than a million and a half smackers. It would be amazing if they felt anything but contempt for him.
"I'm Coach Kennedy, and I am going to do my Christian Nationalist duty and p̶r̶a̶y̶piss all over the football field. Hey, why am I by myself? I thought all you students were good little Christian Nationalists like me! Doesn't anybody want to do a group p̶r̶a̶y̶e̶r̶piss?"
He made the spectacle he wanted, got his way after his tantrum, and everyone apparently recognized it for what it was and refused to participate. Good.
Still another proof that "sports builds character." Yeah, right. What is smilingly called "sports culture" in this country breeds clowns like Kennedy at a steady pace while athletes like Colin Kaepernick and Pat Tillman remain rare, at best. Whoever it was who said "Winning isn’t everything; it’s the only thing." was speaking for virtually every coach and most athletes in the racket. And a saying about winning at any cost, even at the cost of blatant dishonesty, might just as well be the motto of Liberty Counsel and ADF, too. Joe Kennedy and Liberty Counsel were made for each other.
Pretty sure THIS sporting event taught the football players "geez, that guy's a complete selfish ass. I don't want be like that guy." So in a sense, it did build character.
Ah, so he's on "wingnut welfare". A lot of "famous" people seem to manage that after they give up their day job. Pretty lucrative from what I can gather.
“It’s true that Kennedy will soon release a ghostwritten memoir called Average Joe: The Coach Joe Kennedy Story. There’s also a movie about him in the works produced by the God’s Not Dead people; while he’s not directly involved with it, he’ll presumably be involved with the publicity campaign.”
Let me guess, Jim Caviezel will play the coach. It’s the natural progression from God’s son, in “Passion of the Christ,” to god’s football coach! Remember there is nothing more American than, God (only Christian), country, guns, Trump and football.
It’s also an amazing rags to riches story of how a poor lost soul found Jesus, became a lowly paid coach, and thanks to the religious zealots on the fascist court, became an instant millionaire and inspiration to all the faithful hypocrites, who pray for their modern day prophet: Trump.
It’s must see TV, coming soon to the Cristian Gay Conversion Network!...:)
I was mostly joking, but while the 70’s might have been a mending decade; in your opinion, it also saw the rise of the the silent majority and religious right in this country(Jerry Falwell).
A major recession during Nixon’s years, which also led to high unemployment, high inflation, and thanks to OPEC, high gas prices that caused massive lines on the door and the rationing of gas at the pump. Not to mention the fallout from the Civil Rights Era and the Roe decision in 1973.
So if the 70’s is your idea of a country mending; the same can be said for it being the beginning of a new “division” of this nation, that led to Reagan being elected; the legitimacy of the religious right in American politics, and the beginning of the end of American exceptionalism, and the secular nation as we know it, that has kept us sane!....:)
We teach the world to sing about Coke. But in the 70s there were those of us who considered ourselves the Pepsi Generation, coming at you going strong. I
I grew up a few miles from Chevy plants (we did not call them factories) in Saginaw and Flint. Our closest mall was in Saginaw. I don't remember the 70s ever being that white!
What does all of the above show? It shows that, beyond anything else, Coach Joe Kennedy is a SELFISH, SELF-INVOLVED ASS, who is likely far more interested in his own self-aggrandizement than he is in football or the kids he was supposed to teach and guide on the gridiron or much anything else. He seems to have gotten his wish, too. I'm sure that 𝐺𝑜𝑑'𝑠 𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝐷𝑒𝑎𝑑: 𝐹𝑜𝑜𝑡𝑏𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝐹𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 will be every last bit the proselytizing opus that its predecessors were, as well as an utter box-office failure, but that doesn't matter.
Joe Kennedy got what he wanted and more, especially considering that the Bremerton school district got stuck with the bill. You don't get a whole lot more self-absorbed than that.
Lots of them. Look up Blue Ridge Band, The Magnetics, Joe Trufant, The Lighthouse, Tilly Valentine with Angus Parkin, Orson Wilds, Madam Bandit, The Bishop Boys, Joker's Republic, and on and on.
"It is a curious fact, and one to which no-one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85 percent of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand variations on this phonetic theme."
Given that most women wouldn't be showing by the time they cross the state line for an abortion I'd like to know how they're going to be able to tell someone was pregnant. I suggested roadside pregnancy tests – but someone claims they going to track people's phones. In which case may be by a burner phone and leave your own at home – seems reasonably easy to avoid being tracked. And of course roadside pregnancy tests would go over like a lead balloon, as soon as they tested someone from the middle class.
Tracking people phones and what ? The problem is the same, wether the bigots like it or not women are still citizens with a right to travel. I imagine the backlash if one country (starting with Po finishing with land) of the Schengen area tried to implement something similar.
It’s illegal to take blood (or mouth swabs for dna) from people without their consent, even for a sobriety test, it would be illegal to take urine as well. Not that these fascists care about legality. But it is the same law that protects people from forced blood tests that protects women from force pregnancy tests.
Plus, what happens when the test is a false positive, or positive because she’s going through menopause or has unregulated hormone issues, and is most certainly not pregnant.
>“It’s overreaching,” she said. “We’re talking about people here.”
Of coarse it's about people. The whole question of choice and bodily autonomy is about people. When has damaging (or even ending) the lives of people ever given christians pause? Burning "heretics" alive was about people. Castrating "sodomites" was about people. Hanging "witches" was about people. Torturing Jews was about people. When it comes to savaging people, the christian motto is "The more the merrier."
So I may have shared this previously, but this story reminded me of a discussion from many years ago now. I was dating a young man about my age, and somehow the conversation wound up on the effects of alcoholism. It turned out that the father of said young man was an alcoholic, though he'd been dry for some time at this point. He told me that at one point, in order to feed his addiction, he'd been paid to punch pregnant women in the stomach specifically for the purpose of forcing a miscarriage.
As you might imagine, I was horrified. Sure, okay, some of that was 'I was 17 and didn't know anything anyway' but some of it was the sheer desperation it reflected. Sure, the guy was after his alcohol fix, but how desperate must this woman be to avoid having a kid to not only entertain this idea, but to pay someone do actually do it?
At the end of the day, there is no such thing as a 'sanctuary city' for abortion. No local law will change that. All it will change is how hard it might be for women to get the care they need.
I think the whole thing is a farce. Why would the creator of the universe give a damn about a high school football game? On the flip side I find it encouraging that about 40 million Americans have stopped going to church in the past 25 years. Let's hope the trend continues.
Why would the creator of the universe even care about a single planet?
I guess his options were limited, as the bible makes no mention of other planets. Or galaxies. Or nebulae. Or black holes. Or quasars. Or pulsars. Or dark matter. And it says that stars fall to earth.
When you consider 20 million Americans have stopped approving of homosexual relationships in just the last few years, 40 million less religious doesn't really feel like a lot.
Yeah, but the number of bigots was supposed to be decreasing, not increasing. Or so, people told me when I first started to worry about the outlawing of gay sex again.
Hey, it was her fault for dressing like a slut. And, um, she led him on. And, er, uh, he was drunk. Oh yeah, and he really believed she wanted it. And other stuff, too.
He committed adultery to do so and he did it in the form of a bird.
I guess the rules against having sex with a woman you're not married to (not to mention another man's property...er, wife) and bestiality don't apply to the CEO of heaven.
This has all the signs of a pyrrhic victory. Wins the legal right to pray on the field, ensures hundreds if not thousands of Christians in his community who might have thought it sounded like a good idea 'on paper', now think it's a total dick move.
The *really* amusing thing is the fundies just don't understand why their numbers keep dropping. His Jesusing is so inspiring! So brave! Can't everyone see that? I think they truly don't get it. Which means their numbers will continue to drop.
I’m on vacation this weekend, so I haven’t been here much. When I woke up this morning I was not prepared to deal with a troll on a month old article about transgender people.
I need to get over myself apparently when there’s like a fraction of a percent of athletes are transgender yet he’s freaking out over an incident that was not unusual for the sport.
Scanned it, reported it, ignored it. Not worth responding to at this point; nobody posts in a month-and-change-old thread because they're looking for productive discourse.
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Just reported another bunch of posts. Talks real tough for a troll hiding from view in a thread that died over a month ago, don't he?
But don'tcha know, Latin prefixes are really just a plot by the Transeseseses to travel back in time and plant words in the lexicon before the Biological Realists can object to them being used the same way they were since ancient times!
The next right-wing story he features in will be about how sad it is that everyone else in that photo is so lost to Jeeeeezus that they didn't even have the "courage" to say the magic words with Coach Chucklefuck, and how he 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 have saved their souls if only the meanie school district hadn't... um... *𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘤𝘬𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘴* not... fired him. Or something.
Well they did in Oklahoma in the late 80s. My sophomore year there were 3 guys on the cheerleading squad. All seniors. One was in my advanced English class. Yummy. Short compared to average, built like a brick wall, and the hairiest guy my age I'd met.
"If love affairs you like with young bears you like, well nobody will oppose." Let's all light a candle for Saint Cole, the man who also gave us "If I'm the bottom, you're the top."
So a Christian group can invade a secular chapel to keep anyone but Christians using it, but if someone tries to use their beach on Sunday they get mad and block it?
I wonder if they try to arrest people for wearing "immodest" swimwear. "It a man showeth his nipples, he hath committed an abomination. His blood shall be upon him." --Leviticus Umptyleven;16
I guess they voted a Christian town council in or something right? That at least is sort of legitimate. But I tend to regard beaches as public property – which I discover even in NZ isn't the case anymore so much. Used to be, but like many other things there's been a certain amount of privatisation. I confess I haven't taken a great deal of notice of this as I'm not really a beach person.
Town councils are public offices and would be subject to Article 6, Clause 3 of the Constitution.. A Christian town council would be a violation of church-state separation.
After a change a decade ago, the Corps now requires beachfront property owners to grant perpetual easements before it’ll do the work, despite more than 98% of the renourishment area being public land. More than half of the 461 property owners have declined, with many saying they fear the arrangement will lead to their private property being treated as public. Local
officials have begged for the Corps, which foots two-thirds of the cost in renourishment projects, to reconsider its policy, but it has not budged.
I have the impression they operate the beach like some private companies operate French highways. They still belong to my country but it doesn't manage them anymore.
Ah ... In NZ most beaches are public. There is something called the "Kings chain" I guess it would be these days. 22 m from high tide mark is open to everyone. I think that's it. Mind you some beaches can only be accessed by going through private property which is essentially ceding control to the landowner I guess. I think there are a few privately owned beaches but no one likes it.
The district map drawn up by the FL GQP was already bad, but Nazi Ronny decided it wasn't 𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘺 shitty enough for his liking and called a special session of the legislature to present his own map which, surprise surprise, split Laswon's district so that his mostly-Black constituents would lose their Representative and have their votes drowned out by white Republicans.
Because, y'know, businesses should 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 be allowed to express their sincerely held beliefs when their sincerely held beliefs are 𝘣𝘪𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘥. If you want to be inclusive and welcoming, take that commie shit somewhere else!
Conservative religionists of all stripes always operate under the delusion that forcing their religion on others is not only okay, but will always have a happy ending. Facts do not matter them. Joe Kennedy is just one more fool trying to make a buck on religion, by presenting himself as a victim of the godless left. On the plus side, the days are numbered for people like Joe Kennedy. Religion cedes ground with every passing year they will never recover. I think there are people alive today who will see religion's influence reduced to the point of irrelevance.
They don't think of it as forcing their religion on others. Many of them truly believe that their religion is the default condition, and anyone who doesn't follow it is forcing religion on them. The ones who know better don't care, because the forced conformity is the goal.
𝑀𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑎𝑢𝑙𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛...
PRECISELY! These people are so immersed in their faith that they can't consider any normal condition to be WITHOUT it. Much of this is the result of living in a bubble, in a community which is so predominantly Christian that the idea arises that THIS IS HOW IT IS EVERYWHERE.
To which I say, "You don't get out much, do you?"
Another word for "immersed" is "indoctrinated".
Very true. People like that live in a religious bubble, and they just can't imagine that there is anyone who doesn't (live in *their specific* bubble.) I know because I was brought up in a conservative catholic bubble. What amazed me when I was getting out, when I first got out, and really up to today, decades later, is how fragile that bubble was. It took an inordinate amount of effort to create and maintain it, starting with daily life-long indoctrination. But the least little bit of pushback, the least little bit of information coming in from outside it, and the whole thing collapsed. Once it collapsed for me, my five siblings followed suit at similar ages, and the non-belief spread. By the time the one remaining believer died in 2009, she was the only believer over 3 generations of the extended family. Nobody else thought that maintaining that bubble was worth the time and energy. (We did let her have her delusions though.)
If they can just discredit Darwin, the Biblical account of creation wins by default.
Except for the fact that there are all these other pesky creation stories that are just as 'valid' as the one found in the bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths
Satan planted those stories to test your faith, just as he did with all those fossils. ;)
He's a devilishly tricky one, that Satan. :)
Pleased to meet you,
hope you guess my name.
But what's puzzling you
is the nature of my game.
Hail Satin!
"the one found in the bible" The ONE? There are two contradictory stories in the first two chapters of Genesis, and there are at least a half dozen more scattered through the Old Testament. (There are two mutually exclusive stories in Psalms alone.) Trying to determine just exactly what Yahweh wants is to believe is trickier than trying to train amoebas.
"Many of them believe that their religion is the default condition." You are being too kind, Joe. Even liberal Christians, who might acknowledge other religions having some validity, still somehow want to bring the world to Christ. It is still all about Jesus. Though yoga and meditation might be OK.
So, I think it is safe to say most, or nearly all Christians feel good because they know that if they have faith, through the grace of god, they will be saved from their own fears. Most christians who consider themselves liberal, would still be sad if they knew someone was an atheist.
And they soothe their (occasionally) troubled minds with pablum like "We all believe in the same God." It's hogwash, like everything else in their world, but it keeps them going.
I’m fairly certain that Christians who think God views homosexuality as an abomination and Christians who think God sanctifies same sex marriage can’t possibly believe in the same god.
That's not his only symptom of Multiple-Personality disorder.
Tell them you believe in Min and Hathor.
What about willingly marrying one ?
I was a Christian non-parrot head when I met my wife.
DM's grandparents, her grandfather was already an atheist when they met, her grandmother was a catholic (albeit one of the most disobedient one who ever existed).
Willing to wager? In the US 70 million plus voted for Trump and, like Joker Kennedy, fervently live the God Delusion every day of their lives and will continue to live in that bubble. "In God We Trust"--Says it right there.
Plus tons of other non-MAGA who are devout Christians and Catholics, including family members of every commenter on this site. No, humans will be saddled with the Jesus, Allah and Yahweh albatross for a long, long time. On the positive side, Hemant will never be out of a job.
That is, unless the Christian Nationalists in alliance with right wing authoritarians take over the government with Trump in 2024.
None of these kids were around while he was coaching originally, they have no link to him. The other coaches are busy coaching. I’m glad to see him all by his lonesome on the field. Even if a bunch of lookie loos came to cheer him on in the stands, there probably wasn’t as many as he wanted.
And the kids must be all too aware that he has cost their school more than a million and a half smackers. It would be amazing if they felt anything but contempt for him.
Probably had to forgo that new iPhone because their parents had to pay for the uniforms since the school couldn't.
"I'm Coach Kennedy, and I am going to do my Christian Nationalist duty and p̶r̶a̶y̶piss all over the football field. Hey, why am I by myself? I thought all you students were good little Christian Nationalists like me! Doesn't anybody want to do a group p̶r̶a̶y̶e̶r̶piss?"
He made the spectacle he wanted, got his way after his tantrum, and everyone apparently recognized it for what it was and refused to participate. Good.
Still another proof that "sports builds character." Yeah, right. What is smilingly called "sports culture" in this country breeds clowns like Kennedy at a steady pace while athletes like Colin Kaepernick and Pat Tillman remain rare, at best. Whoever it was who said "Winning isn’t everything; it’s the only thing." was speaking for virtually every coach and most athletes in the racket. And a saying about winning at any cost, even at the cost of blatant dishonesty, might just as well be the motto of Liberty Counsel and ADF, too. Joe Kennedy and Liberty Counsel were made for each other.
It's not the sport. It's religidiots injecting fantasies that have absolutely nothing to do with sport.
I wish I could agree with you, but sports are a fertile breeding ground for toxic masculinity.
They are that. But in this case, I was referring to religion winding up in the mix and being a whole separate issue from sport..
Pretty sure THIS sporting event taught the football players "geez, that guy's a complete selfish ass. I don't want be like that guy." So in a sense, it did build character.
Ah, so he's on "wingnut welfare". A lot of "famous" people seem to manage that after they give up their day job. Pretty lucrative from what I can gather.
Just ask Alex Jones. Or Rudy Giuliani, who just pled abject poverty in a Georgia courtroom after flying there in his private jet.
Ah well, certain people seem to be eligible to travel in billionaires' private jets for some strange reason.
Well, there have to be some perks to be a Supreme Court Justice in a billionaire's pocket.
So that's why billionaires are described as having deep pockets. They keep judges in there.
“It’s true that Kennedy will soon release a ghostwritten memoir called Average Joe: The Coach Joe Kennedy Story. There’s also a movie about him in the works produced by the God’s Not Dead people; while he’s not directly involved with it, he’ll presumably be involved with the publicity campaign.”
Let me guess, Jim Caviezel will play the coach. It’s the natural progression from God’s son, in “Passion of the Christ,” to god’s football coach! Remember there is nothing more American than, God (only Christian), country, guns, Trump and football.
It’s also an amazing rags to riches story of how a poor lost soul found Jesus, became a lowly paid coach, and thanks to the religious zealots on the fascist court, became an instant millionaire and inspiration to all the faithful hypocrites, who pray for their modern day prophet: Trump.
It’s must see TV, coming soon to the Cristian Gay Conversion Network!...:)
Nothing more American? You didn't get a single one!
https://youtu.be/yYXfdnhh2Mo?si=ELjHWHBBqatCbx1l
Fair enough, but I think your referring to the Mike Pence’s version of America. Sorry Regular Joe, the 1950’s called, they want their decade back!
We’re talking the new, improved 21st century of America. Far more dystopian and dysfunctional...:)
Pence? Nah, you'd need to knock off a new more decades....and perhaps another century.
That commercial was from 1975. America was on the mend after the war and Nixon and such, with a Bicentennial looming on the horizon. 😁
I was mostly joking, but while the 70’s might have been a mending decade; in your opinion, it also saw the rise of the the silent majority and religious right in this country(Jerry Falwell).
A major recession during Nixon’s years, which also led to high unemployment, high inflation, and thanks to OPEC, high gas prices that caused massive lines on the door and the rationing of gas at the pump. Not to mention the fallout from the Civil Rights Era and the Roe decision in 1973.
So if the 70’s is your idea of a country mending; the same can be said for it being the beginning of a new “division” of this nation, that led to Reagan being elected; the legitimacy of the religious right in American politics, and the beginning of the end of American exceptionalism, and the secular nation as we know it, that has kept us sane!....:)
Sorry, I must have not put quite enough snarcasm in that. 😉
You’re good, and I got it...:)
No coca cola ? Unpatriotic !
We teach the world to sing about Coke. But in the 70s there were those of us who considered ourselves the Pepsi Generation, coming at you going strong. I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kLp1s5xSss
Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper, too?
THe only Pepper worth anything is the Sergeant.
The only pop worth drinking is dandelion and burdock, if you can find the real stuff.
I drank neither at that time.
That's for teaching the world to sing. 😉
In perfect harmony, yet.
*Look at DM*
Makes sense.
I grew up a few miles from Chevy plants (we did not call them factories) in Saginaw and Flint. Our closest mall was in Saginaw. I don't remember the 70s ever being that white!
Don't forget, he was once an evil commie atheist worshipping Satan cuz he just wanted to sin until he found Jeebus!
You forgot drinking babies' blood.
You don't drink the blood, it gets incorporated into the gravy after roasting.
You Americans are good to ruin anything edible. Why put the liquid cement called gravy with tasty blood ?
In the deep south, gravy is a beverage.
Gravy is the icing on the cake.
I was at a movie theater a while ago and they had a self serve "butter" dispenser. I wondered if I could just fill up a glass full.
It's the nectar of bubbas.
I much prefer to make a nice black pudding. 😉
What does all of the above show? It shows that, beyond anything else, Coach Joe Kennedy is a SELFISH, SELF-INVOLVED ASS, who is likely far more interested in his own self-aggrandizement than he is in football or the kids he was supposed to teach and guide on the gridiron or much anything else. He seems to have gotten his wish, too. I'm sure that 𝐺𝑜𝑑'𝑠 𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝐷𝑒𝑎𝑑: 𝐹𝑜𝑜𝑡𝑏𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝐹𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 will be every last bit the proselytizing opus that its predecessors were, as well as an utter box-office failure, but that doesn't matter.
Joe Kennedy got what he wanted and more, especially considering that the Bremerton school district got stuck with the bill. You don't get a whole lot more self-absorbed than that.
MAGA!
Every time I see/use MAGA, I hear goats bleating.
Maaaaga!
OT
Over on the previous FA article, bagen.onuts has made note of the fact that Jimmy Buffett died.
Buffett dies and this assclown gets a victory lap on a high school football field for martyrbation. The godthing is a joke.
Guess Margaritas are the drink of the day.
Unfortunately I like Piña Coladas, and well he had nothing to do with that song.
Is there a gin & tonic song?
I'm going with one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer.
Maybe something by Keith Richards?
Funny comment I saw on the Internet (don't remember who it was): "Keith Richards will outlive us all!"
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.U1TjNKtd-f7DBLhE5v4VRwHaFj?pid=ImgDet&w=666&h=500&rs=1
"The evil gin does would be hard to assess."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPk0xgHqQ4M
Lyrics at https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Flanders-feat-Swann/Madeira-M-Dear
It was probably unacceptable even in the 60's but they get away with it.
Lots of them. Look up Blue Ridge Band, The Magnetics, Joe Trufant, The Lighthouse, Tilly Valentine with Angus Parkin, Orson Wilds, Madam Bandit, The Bishop Boys, Joker's Republic, and on and on.
They all have a song called "Gin & Tonic."
"It is a curious fact, and one to which no-one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85 percent of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand variations on this phonetic theme."
️🎵 It's nine o'clock on a Saturday
The regular crowd shuffles in
There's an old man sittin' next to me
Makin' love to his tonic and gin ️🎵
We didn't start the fire.
World's still burning down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL0tNiKTfLk
"I was getting short. Just 3 more weeks and I'm out."
"Great, why don't you put her in charge."
I miss him.
Buffet's music wasn't my thing, but he seemed like a nice and decent guy and a fun person to be around. RIP.
Now THAT is a loss. I never went to a Jimmy Buffett concert, but I always enjoyed his music.
I can hear Christian parrot heads (like my late wife) feeling better because he is finally eating a cheeseburger in paradise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/01/texas-abortion-highways/
Sort of like 1984? Only worse.
Another absurd scenario. What if it's 2 (or more) pregnant women helping* each other to get an abortion ? Who will be sued then ?
* One have the car, the other drive it or pay for gas/accommodation/food.
I'd like to know how they are going to enforce that.
(reads article)
Oh, like the East German Stasi. Figures.
Given that most women wouldn't be showing by the time they cross the state line for an abortion I'd like to know how they're going to be able to tell someone was pregnant. I suggested roadside pregnancy tests – but someone claims they going to track people's phones. In which case may be by a burner phone and leave your own at home – seems reasonably easy to avoid being tracked. And of course roadside pregnancy tests would go over like a lead balloon, as soon as they tested someone from the middle class.
Tracking people phones and what ? The problem is the same, wether the bigots like it or not women are still citizens with a right to travel. I imagine the backlash if one country (starting with Po finishing with land) of the Schengen area tried to implement something similar.
I wouldn't put it past them to try to force every woman in every car to undergo a forced pregnancy test.
It’s illegal to take blood (or mouth swabs for dna) from people without their consent, even for a sobriety test, it would be illegal to take urine as well. Not that these fascists care about legality. But it is the same law that protects people from forced blood tests that protects women from force pregnancy tests.
Plus, what happens when the test is a false positive, or positive because she’s going through menopause or has unregulated hormone issues, and is most certainly not pregnant.
>“It’s overreaching,” she said. “We’re talking about people here.”
Of coarse it's about people. The whole question of choice and bodily autonomy is about people. When has damaging (or even ending) the lives of people ever given christians pause? Burning "heretics" alive was about people. Castrating "sodomites" was about people. Hanging "witches" was about people. Torturing Jews was about people. When it comes to savaging people, the christian motto is "The more the merrier."
The Texas ACLU should sue to have these laws ruled unconstitutional on 10th Amendment grounds.
They probably will, but it will take years and who knows how SCOTUS will rule.
That's absurd. Things like this would render the 10th Amendment when it comes to state criminal laws obsolete.
This SCOTUS? Abortion? They could say it only applied to abortion, but they would be making law out of whole cloth. But I wouldn't put that past them.
Their plant did say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t be bound by ethics.
Yeah, late again, I know.
So I may have shared this previously, but this story reminded me of a discussion from many years ago now. I was dating a young man about my age, and somehow the conversation wound up on the effects of alcoholism. It turned out that the father of said young man was an alcoholic, though he'd been dry for some time at this point. He told me that at one point, in order to feed his addiction, he'd been paid to punch pregnant women in the stomach specifically for the purpose of forcing a miscarriage.
As you might imagine, I was horrified. Sure, okay, some of that was 'I was 17 and didn't know anything anyway' but some of it was the sheer desperation it reflected. Sure, the guy was after his alcohol fix, but how desperate must this woman be to avoid having a kid to not only entertain this idea, but to pay someone do actually do it?
At the end of the day, there is no such thing as a 'sanctuary city' for abortion. No local law will change that. All it will change is how hard it might be for women to get the care they need.
You can never be too late with stories like this. People on the fence about abortion need to be reminded of them.
I think the whole thing is a farce. Why would the creator of the universe give a damn about a high school football game? On the flip side I find it encouraging that about 40 million Americans have stopped going to church in the past 25 years. Let's hope the trend continues.
Why would the creator of the universe even care about a single planet?
I guess his options were limited, as the bible makes no mention of other planets. Or galaxies. Or nebulae. Or black holes. Or quasars. Or pulsars. Or dark matter. And it says that stars fall to earth.
Or a cure for cancer.
Or wiping out poverty, hunger, illiteracy and all illness.
Yep.
Minor details.
When you consider 20 million Americans have stopped approving of homosexual relationships in just the last few years, 40 million less religious doesn't really feel like a lot.
Unfortunately bigotry is still alive and never stops feeding.
Yeah, but the number of bigots was supposed to be decreasing, not increasing. Or so, people told me when I first started to worry about the outlawing of gay sex again.
He apparently cares if I jerk off in the shower. You'd think he'd have better things to do.
God: the first and ultimate snowflake.
Knows what's going to happen, creates humans anyway.
Not the brightest candle in the temple, this "all-knowing" deity.
Anything that would drown grandmas, babies puppies and kitties would probably delight in creating people to fuel the flames that are never quenched.
And if you believe the Bible (and you shouldn't), deliberately got a teenage girl pregnant. What a class act.
Hey, it was her fault for dressing like a slut. And, um, she led him on. And, er, uh, he was drunk. Oh yeah, and he really believed she wanted it. And other stuff, too.
'Lot drunk' apparently.
He committed adultery to do so and he did it in the form of a bird.
I guess the rules against having sex with a woman you're not married to (not to mention another man's property...er, wife) and bestiality don't apply to the CEO of heaven.
He picked up that little trick from Zeus.
His eye is on the sparrow, er, I mean, linebacker.
If coaches do it for love of the students, many of them seem to have a strange definition of love.
This has all the signs of a pyrrhic victory. Wins the legal right to pray on the field, ensures hundreds if not thousands of Christians in his community who might have thought it sounded like a good idea 'on paper', now think it's a total dick move.
The *really* amusing thing is the fundies just don't understand why their numbers keep dropping. His Jesusing is so inspiring! So brave! Can't everyone see that? I think they truly don't get it. Which means their numbers will continue to drop.
I’m on vacation this weekend, so I haven’t been here much. When I woke up this morning I was not prepared to deal with a troll on a month old article about transgender people.
https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/richard-dawkins-used-his-new-podcast/comment/21633283#comment-39453765?utm_source=activity_item
I need to get over myself apparently when there’s like a fraction of a percent of athletes are transgender yet he’s freaking out over an incident that was not unusual for the sport.
Scanned it, reported it, ignored it. Not worth responding to at this point; nobody posts in a month-and-change-old thread because they're looking for productive discourse.
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Just reported another bunch of posts. Talks real tough for a troll hiding from view in a thread that died over a month ago, don't he?
Ask him what he thinks would happen to his skull in the ring with Rhonda Russey(sp?)
Ronda Rousey. She'd flatten his skull more than it already is.
James Maloney? Full of baloney.
Looks like most of the other trolls and their comments got either removed or removed/banned.
Since we are talking about him. Can someone help me understand this ? I have no idea what it means or if it ever make sense 🤔
"How do I get a message to my dead mother, that in all her 76 years, she was actually a '' CIS'' woman, instead of my mother? A WOMAN?"
he wants to tell his dead mother that she was a ciswoman not a woman. It's just a complaint about the prefix cis
But don'tcha know, Latin prefixes are really just a plot by the Transeseseses to travel back in time and plant words in the lexicon before the Biological Realists can object to them being used the same way they were since ancient times!
Either that, or he's just a dolt.
I vote dolt. Not smart enough to think for himself, just parrots other's talking points.
The evidence points to the latter conclusion.
Asked a living 70+ woman if she was offended to be called a cis woman. You can guess what she answered 😁
Should we pardon her French?
It's in Transphobic. It doesn't need to make sense.
He seems quite the charmer.
(I think he likes me 😉)
The next right-wing story he features in will be about how sad it is that everyone else in that photo is so lost to Jeeeeezus that they didn't even have the "courage" to say the magic words with Coach Chucklefuck, and how he 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 have saved their souls if only the meanie school district hadn't... um... *𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘤𝘬𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘴* not... fired him. Or something.
I'm waiting for the one where he gets caught with a teenage quarterback in a cheap motel.
Now be fair, it might be the head cheerleader.
Well, maybe, I guess, but do they even let boys cheerlead in Texas?
Well they did in Oklahoma in the late 80s. My sophomore year there were 3 guys on the cheerleading squad. All seniors. One was in my advanced English class. Yummy. Short compared to average, built like a brick wall, and the hairiest guy my age I'd met.
"If love affairs you like with young bears you like, well nobody will oppose." Let's all light a candle for Saint Cole, the man who also gave us "If I'm the bottom, you're the top."
Unfortunately I was living in Narnia at the time, and I never did find out which way he swung his bat.
As a kid, I sometimes had fantasies of being a cheerleader. Just the thought of dressing up in a sweater and a pleated skirt gave me...feelings.
OT
"NJ battles Christian group blocking Jersey Shore beach on Sundays"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nj-battles-christian-group-blocking-jersey-shore-beach-on-sudays/ar-AA1g9LFT
So a Christian group can invade a secular chapel to keep anyone but Christians using it, but if someone tries to use their beach on Sunday they get mad and block it?
I'm sure Mr. Graf can explain to you how they're right.
If he reads it, he'll key in on the attempt by a lesbian couple who tried to get married on that beach's boardwalk.
Someone once found seaweed in the shape of a cross on the beach so forevermore it's a sacred place.
I'd like to throttle that guy.
Wouldn't do any good. It's like what Proverbs said about beating fools. Can't pound out the foolishness, no matter how hard you try.
I wonder if they try to arrest people for wearing "immodest" swimwear. "It a man showeth his nipples, he hath committed an abomination. His blood shall be upon him." --Leviticus Umptyleven;16
Banana Hammock.
Mankini?
Now that's a man truly cursed.
Borat thought it was just fine and wore it proudly. 🙂
While it's true I think a small package is cute, a mankini is something that should be killed with fire.
Zardoz.
Why not go all the way with a nudekini ?
I do believe that is referred to as "nudity." As in "sans clothing." 😊
Budgie smuggler.
❤️
Imagine a private secular nude beach nearby. They'd wail, gnash their teeth and rend their garments.
"Methodist group that operates the beach"
how do you "operate" a beach? Do they actually own it?
How does a Christian group "control" a town? Why would any rational person want to live there?
I guess they voted a Christian town council in or something right? That at least is sort of legitimate. But I tend to regard beaches as public property – which I discover even in NZ isn't the case anymore so much. Used to be, but like many other things there's been a certain amount of privatisation. I confess I haven't taken a great deal of notice of this as I'm not really a beach person.
Town councils are public offices and would be subject to Article 6, Clause 3 of the Constitution.. A Christian town council would be a violation of church-state separation.
We both know with this SCOTUS, church-state separation isn't worth the 3,000,000th copy it's written on.
In the category of people slitting their own throats.
𝐇𝐮𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐞 𝐈𝐝𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐚 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐏𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐬’ 𝐛𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐞𝐫𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐦 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐞
After a change a decade ago, the Corps now requires beachfront property owners to grant perpetual easements before it’ll do the work, despite more than 98% of the renourishment area being public land. More than half of the 461 property owners have declined, with many saying they fear the arrangement will lead to their private property being treated as public. Local
officials have begged for the Corps, which foots two-thirds of the cost in renourishment projects, to reconsider its policy, but it has not budged.
https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2023/09/02/florida-beach-erosion-idalia-pinellas/
WHOMP WHOMP
This is America. Christians own everything, or at least think they do.
We're looking at a tiny bit of our future if christian take over.
I have the impression they operate the beach like some private companies operate French highways. They still belong to my country but it doesn't manage them anymore.
Ah ... In NZ most beaches are public. There is something called the "Kings chain" I guess it would be these days. 22 m from high tide mark is open to everyone. I think that's it. Mind you some beaches can only be accessed by going through private property which is essentially ceding control to the landowner I guess. I think there are a few privately owned beaches but no one likes it.
I thought it was a public beach?
Why only in summer ? Are the sermons so boring ?
don't you just feel the xtian hypocrisy?
Christianity is a one-way street: Everything for them and nothing for anyone else.
They make black holes look amateurish.
🤨
OT- A Flori-derp double feature:
First up, Ron DeSeptic gets told off by a judge after attempting to unilaterally re-district US Rep. Al Lawson, a Black Democrat, out of office: https://apnews.com/article/florida-redistricting-politics-gerrymandering-desantis-d04d4d69a5c52e2997e94fa842f8757e
The district map drawn up by the FL GQP was already bad, but Nazi Ronny decided it wasn't 𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘺 shitty enough for his liking and called a special session of the legislature to present his own map which, surprise surprise, split Laswon's district so that his mostly-Black constituents would lose their Representative and have their votes drowned out by white Republicans.
Next up, the Party of Small Government(tm) wants to tell local business owners that they can't put rainbow stickers in their windows: https://apnews.com/article/florida-lgbtq-safe-places-orlando-eb2cab0fa22aaee977d48db14be2d29a
Because, y'know, businesses should 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 be allowed to express their sincerely held beliefs when their sincerely held beliefs are 𝘣𝘪𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘥. If you want to be inclusive and welcoming, take that commie shit somewhere else!
Where's that meme...
https://img.ifunny.co/images/a60950a81247757726edc316fe32b665c7a71fbdca9f7730b660f8be10753897_1.jpg
https://media.tenor.com/dKyexZMcUU0AAAAC/florida-bugsbunny.gif
https://media.tenor.com/PIkolNFMq2IAAAAC/bugs-bunny.gif
Or this one with sound...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98
Should say negative four days.
The first one: The judge was also put off by DeSanitarium wearing a white robe and hood when he pushed his plan.
The second one: So much for the GQP being pro-business.