The theofascists are hellbent on ushering in their version of Gilead. I think you can be reasonably certain they will just do it at the state level like TN did with their adoption mess - remember the Jewish couple who were not allowed to adopt because they were not christian... If tRump gets back in then the USA as we know it is over with.
If their religion is so great why do they need to force on others? The arrogance in thinking that everyone needs to be salvaged and non-christians are going to h*ll is unbelievable! The saddest, pathetic part is that, this is all about grabbing $$$ and nothing to do with religion.
Sweden became an official member of the alliance today; Finland signed on last year. Neither was even considering it before Vlad decided to get his murder on in Ukraine. Congratulations on the self-own, you fucking vampire.
I feel like this is an enormous problem in groups that might not be covered by these laws, for example: Christian-based halfway houses for diversion programs in county and state courts. It's been my personal bugbear for a long time how little oversight goes into these groups nationwide and how often they seem to skirt the entire separation of church and state issue entirely. If you decline to enter the only treatment offered to you, on the grounds that it impinges on your beliefs (or more accurately your lack of belief) in the majority of instances you aren't offered a different option, because none exists. You can either serve your sentence and get no help, or you can enter treatment and end up working with AA or NA and then be placed in a halfway house that's likely to require prayer and have Christianity based rules. The entire 12 step process and whether it's actually especially effective is never addressed either. But for atheists the structure is totally illogical. The way various groups tend to tell atheists to practice the 12 steps makes clear how they lack awareness of what atheism means, but it's been allowed to continue for decades.
Mixing religion and government is the same terrible idea it has always been. When religious groups provide social services, it almost always comes with strings attached.
In my experience, there are entirely too many Christians who will, with zero evidence to support it, insist that Christians are wonderful people who don't need oversight, since they do the 'right' thing most of the time. Also in my experience, that statement just isn't the case; and I would submit that the news media has reported problems in various financial, business, and personal dealings by Christian leaders to entirely debunk the idea that Christians act more morally on a regular basis than other groups.
With that out of the way, I would like to point out that even if Christians were, in fact, more morally upright than other groups they would then welcome oversight with open arms, not start looking for attorneys to file litigation to protect their religious rights. The honest man probably doesn't care if his neighbor puts up a fence - he's honest, so that fence means nothing to him. What concerns me is the number of times we have seen various Christian groups angry and screaming persecution 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑏𝑦 𝑎 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦. Oversight should be a good thing for everyone; it provides for standards that everyone is expected to adhere to, it means cutting through some of that she said/he said type garbage, it means that the public knows what is going on. And yet, every time some 'charitable' Christian organization falls into government oversight, the cries of persecution commence.
I'm sick of this 'rules for thee, but not for me!' game we've been seeing out of the Christian establishment for the last 25+ years. By the declining attendance numbers, it's not just me, either; good riddance to bad rubbish.
The current administration needs to defund, atleast pass some laws, to curtail the unlimited power of the fake abortions centers, run by religious zealots who are tormenting the women who are in dire need of help at the most vulnerable time.
Forcing people to engage in religious activities in order to get needed services is not only wrong, it does nothing for the religious group making it necessary. I guess religionists don't care whether someone is being sincere or just paying lip service. Maybe they think a non-believer mouthing a prayer earns them points with the Big Guy.
Probably OT, but a reminder that the Cristofacists are not just coming after the evil atheists and nonChristians but even the terrible woke Christians.
Yet the right will still continue to whine about President Biden's age while ignoring the fact that Trump is losing his marbles in front of his Bund rallies.
OT- Just got done watching this... it's a long video (~ an hour and a half), and only part 1 of what is apparently going to be a series, but... trans youtuber Dead Domain went undercover in MAGA drag at CPAC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WFA6zswnY
Half-empty convention halls, Nazis openly mingling with prominent right-wing media personalities, a certain befuddled pillow salesman doing photo-ops, grifters aplenty, naked bigotry, contradictory talking points... and the mic-drop sequel hook for the next part: "𝘐'𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘰𝘯 𝘎𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘳 𝘢𝘵 𝘊𝘗𝘈𝘊 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦." I can't decide whether this is the funniest or the scariest thing I've seen this week. Probably both.
So, these rules will help prevent Christians from abusing and mistreating the most desperate and vulnerable members of society? My question is why do you hate baby Jesus so much?
Are you doing good because it is the right thing to do? Or because it's an advertising gimmick?
For too many religious groups, it is the latter.
The theofascists are hellbent on ushering in their version of Gilead. I think you can be reasonably certain they will just do it at the state level like TN did with their adoption mess - remember the Jewish couple who were not allowed to adopt because they were not christian... If tRump gets back in then the USA as we know it is over with.
If their religion is so great why do they need to force on others? The arrogance in thinking that everyone needs to be salvaged and non-christians are going to h*ll is unbelievable! The saddest, pathetic part is that, this is all about grabbing $$$ and nothing to do with religion.
Thanks Joe!! #VoteBlue
OT- Putin sought to prevent 𝘰𝘯𝘦 country from joining NATO... well, as of today, he's succeeded in getting 𝘵𝘸𝘰 countries to join NATO: https://apnews.com/article/sweden-nato-us-russia-ukraine-8372bc866c8ddcf42d2b8209fa5cd2b1
Sweden became an official member of the alliance today; Finland signed on last year. Neither was even considering it before Vlad decided to get his murder on in Ukraine. Congratulations on the self-own, you fucking vampire.
I feel like this is an enormous problem in groups that might not be covered by these laws, for example: Christian-based halfway houses for diversion programs in county and state courts. It's been my personal bugbear for a long time how little oversight goes into these groups nationwide and how often they seem to skirt the entire separation of church and state issue entirely. If you decline to enter the only treatment offered to you, on the grounds that it impinges on your beliefs (or more accurately your lack of belief) in the majority of instances you aren't offered a different option, because none exists. You can either serve your sentence and get no help, or you can enter treatment and end up working with AA or NA and then be placed in a halfway house that's likely to require prayer and have Christianity based rules. The entire 12 step process and whether it's actually especially effective is never addressed either. But for atheists the structure is totally illogical. The way various groups tend to tell atheists to practice the 12 steps makes clear how they lack awareness of what atheism means, but it's been allowed to continue for decades.
"the final rule didn’t take into consideration the potential harms the changes would cause."
Hemant, are you so sure about that ? Like you pointed numerous times, the cruelty and the forcing of their views on others are the point.
Mixing religion and government is the same terrible idea it has always been. When religious groups provide social services, it almost always comes with strings attached.
In my experience, there are entirely too many Christians who will, with zero evidence to support it, insist that Christians are wonderful people who don't need oversight, since they do the 'right' thing most of the time. Also in my experience, that statement just isn't the case; and I would submit that the news media has reported problems in various financial, business, and personal dealings by Christian leaders to entirely debunk the idea that Christians act more morally on a regular basis than other groups.
With that out of the way, I would like to point out that even if Christians were, in fact, more morally upright than other groups they would then welcome oversight with open arms, not start looking for attorneys to file litigation to protect their religious rights. The honest man probably doesn't care if his neighbor puts up a fence - he's honest, so that fence means nothing to him. What concerns me is the number of times we have seen various Christian groups angry and screaming persecution 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑏𝑦 𝑎 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦. Oversight should be a good thing for everyone; it provides for standards that everyone is expected to adhere to, it means cutting through some of that she said/he said type garbage, it means that the public knows what is going on. And yet, every time some 'charitable' Christian organization falls into government oversight, the cries of persecution commence.
I'm sick of this 'rules for thee, but not for me!' game we've been seeing out of the Christian establishment for the last 25+ years. By the declining attendance numbers, it's not just me, either; good riddance to bad rubbish.
The current administration needs to defund, atleast pass some laws, to curtail the unlimited power of the fake abortions centers, run by religious zealots who are tormenting the women who are in dire need of help at the most vulnerable time.
Forcing people to engage in religious activities in order to get needed services is not only wrong, it does nothing for the religious group making it necessary. I guess religionists don't care whether someone is being sincere or just paying lip service. Maybe they think a non-believer mouthing a prayer earns them points with the Big Guy.
Probably OT, but a reminder that the Cristofacists are not just coming after the evil atheists and nonChristians but even the terrible woke Christians.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/29/texas-border-shelters-ken-paxton-annunciation-house-catholic-charities/
In fact, if I were guessing, I would bet woke Christians piss them off the most.
I am so glad to hear this. It is long overdue. It scares me that Trump could get back into office, and if so we are all in trouble.
The accomplishments of the Biden/Harris administration:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
Yet the right will still continue to whine about President Biden's age while ignoring the fact that Trump is losing his marbles in front of his Bund rallies.
OT- Just got done watching this... it's a long video (~ an hour and a half), and only part 1 of what is apparently going to be a series, but... trans youtuber Dead Domain went undercover in MAGA drag at CPAC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WFA6zswnY
Half-empty convention halls, Nazis openly mingling with prominent right-wing media personalities, a certain befuddled pillow salesman doing photo-ops, grifters aplenty, naked bigotry, contradictory talking points... and the mic-drop sequel hook for the next part: "𝘐'𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘰𝘯 𝘎𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘳 𝘢𝘵 𝘊𝘗𝘈𝘊 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦." I can't decide whether this is the funniest or the scariest thing I've seen this week. Probably both.
So, these rules will help prevent Christians from abusing and mistreating the most desperate and vulnerable members of society? My question is why do you hate baby Jesus so much?