Funny memes, but hardly address the point. The incompatibility of value judgments and scientific materialism is thoroughly argued by seasoned philosophers in peer reviewed journals at the finest institutions. I reckon that this sort of sophomoric attitude is what led her to reconsider. Ditto to the entire new atheist movement.
You came with an unoriginal thought to troll on an atheist site. You aren't interested in an actual conversation. Your mind is made up, that was obvious from your first post. Now dinner's getting cold, so get your last word in and go back under your bridge.
You seem to know you are wrong by the 1)choice of words.No one getting married eg says 'slave" and 2) is a child the slave of its parent. IF God created you that is what you are arguing
There's that lie again: Judeo-Christian tradition. Outside of Christianity, there's no such animal. Any rabbi will set her straight on that notion.
And being 'woke' is destroying the moral fiber? Projection. It's her newfound Christianity that destroys moral fiber. We see it every day at FA. The weight of evidence crushes her false assertions.
TBF, I'm not sure how often I'm swayed by the *actual* evidence as I lack the in-depth knowledge to understand it. I have to trust the experts. Like climate change. I can see the extreme weather, but lack the in-depth knowledge for the proof that the climate is changing and that humanity's activities are causing it. But I trust the people who do have the in-depth knowledge to know what they're talking about
She "escaped" the pot only to fall into the fire. The misguided notion that Western Civilization is Christianity or judeo-christian ideals is laughable. Western Civilization is the manifestation of the Enlightenment, which is decidedly not oriented towards a god or even atheism but towards a closer understanding of what is true without dogmatic belief in the unproved, unknowable, and tolerant of those things, whatever their source. Western Civilization should be seen as a process, a journey, a quest. A quest for fucking fun.
As near as I can tell, being 'woke' is when a person exhibits signs of human decency, and dares to deviate from the approved Republican talking points. The religious right in the United States tends to view human decency as a character flaw, while demanding loyalty to their hard-right politics. She doesn't seem to have much of a grasp of history. Trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy.
Ali simply traded one delusion (Islam) for another (Christianity).
She blames Putin/Russia as a great threat to the West? Maybe she should look into his/their religious beliefs. The dominant religion is the Russian Orthodox Church. You know...Christian, like her. It is Christian Nationalism in this country that is a great threat.
She's just like those Christians who say they are atheist because they "hate God". Nope you are not atheist, you don't understand the term. Of course, it's pretty clear Ali doesn't understand Christianity either. What she understands is this Maga-Christian we have here in the US. "Maga" becoming an antonym prefix. "Make America Great Again" is doing the opposite of that. Maga-Christian stands for the opposite of the Christianity I grew up with. This whole anti-woke agenda thing is just bigots who have felt they've been in the closet far too long. Now for an ex-Muslim to come out with an anti-woke driving force? That is some next level self-hatred right there. That is almost on par with Clarence Thomas.
Let's see what she flops to with her next book, shall we?
The Christian right wing movement is developing more commonalities with the Islamic Jihad movements than not. Perhaps Ayann Hirsi Ali yearns to be dominated by a religion again.
Simples really, she finally realised that her far right grift (which she's been pushing since the early 2000's) does not fly amongst the non-religious. And she's also realised that to keep the crowd she's flying with, she's going to have to at least nominally become one of them.
PS Hirsi Ali lied about most of her past when claiming asylum in the Netherlands, she had been living as a member of the upper class in Kenya before coming to Europe, and nothing she claimed had happened to her.
"She didn’t convert for Christ. She converted for the culture wars."
She isn't saying that Christianity is true, just that it's useful. Even if she were right, what am I to do with that? I won't walk the walk unless it's true.
Yeah, OnlySky is going through a phase, seeing how they fit with American Atheists. I've not gotten an update, so I'm in the dark with everyone else. Most blogs (including mine) are shut down. I'm enjoying my retirement.
But I need smart people writing things down and educating me. Now I'm going to have to go to Facebook to get my information and philosophical controversies.
Ditto. We need all the sane, reasonable, and knowledgeable voices we can get in the face of the howling authoritarian madness out there. We need to know that there are still rational humans out there.
Just got an electrician to run a LAN cable under the house from the modem thingy to my computer. I now have consistent decent Internet speeds. It was varying wildly before from about 28 to about 200 whatever thingies they measure it in. Now it's 900+ I'm happy. Also happy that the electrician found one of the switches in our outside board thingy was burning out and outright dangerous. I rang the company that installed it and they are gonna pay for these guys replacing which they just did. I'm even happier now my house isn't going to burn down at some random time.
That's why I got Google Fiber. The echos, the phone, the kindle, and the laptop are the only things in the house on wireless. Every thing that can be wired is.
I also find the "What purpose in life do you have without God?" an empty question.
My purpose is to make the world a better place for those coming after me.
What more do you need?
They ask that question, while ignoring the countless gods others have worshiped.
Nothing
Except what it is to you is uttlerly irrlevant, she says the same about you.
And you of course skip the Truth part because whatever you do is by defnitiion right.
I've lived long enough to have been greatly hurt by people like you convinced they know what makes the world better.
Define "better". See.s impossible to define absent a transcendent anchor of values.
How original. /s
https://images.app.goo.gl/yTCjK41CE69357QX8
I like the Don Draper one better.
https://img.ifunny.co/images/9fbd7a75b8b8e3b7e7a9038d98b3c5bf0f0641708e67a57ee8239be96af79ef7_1.webp
Funny memes, but hardly address the point. The incompatibility of value judgments and scientific materialism is thoroughly argued by seasoned philosophers in peer reviewed journals at the finest institutions. I reckon that this sort of sophomoric attitude is what led her to reconsider. Ditto to the entire new atheist movement.
No. You're just not worth a serious discussion for the 8 millionth time.
Great response.
You came with an unoriginal thought to troll on an atheist site. You aren't interested in an actual conversation. Your mind is made up, that was obvious from your first post. Now dinner's getting cold, so get your last word in and go back under your bridge.
LOL, a transcendent anchor of values? There's nothing transcendent when your god hates all the same people you do.
Lol. I'm sure the atheists who are part of the peer-reviewed journal responded as such. Not.
Which peer reviewed journal are we talking about here?
Hillary Clinton's of course.
You seem to know you are wrong by the 1)choice of words.No one getting married eg says 'slave" and 2) is a child the slave of its parent. IF God created you that is what you are arguing
There's that lie again: Judeo-Christian tradition. Outside of Christianity, there's no such animal. Any rabbi will set her straight on that notion.
And being 'woke' is destroying the moral fiber? Projection. It's her newfound Christianity that destroys moral fiber. We see it every day at FA. The weight of evidence crushes her false assertions.
When has the right-wing ever been swayed by evidence?
The 32nd of Never.
TBF, I'm not sure how often I'm swayed by the *actual* evidence as I lack the in-depth knowledge to understand it. I have to trust the experts. Like climate change. I can see the extreme weather, but lack the in-depth knowledge for the proof that the climate is changing and that humanity's activities are causing it. But I trust the people who do have the in-depth knowledge to know what they're talking about
Every time they do the opposite.
https://giphy.com/gifs/n7TyooZtZn3Ko
She "escaped" the pot only to fall into the fire. The misguided notion that Western Civilization is Christianity or judeo-christian ideals is laughable. Western Civilization is the manifestation of the Enlightenment, which is decidedly not oriented towards a god or even atheism but towards a closer understanding of what is true without dogmatic belief in the unproved, unknowable, and tolerant of those things, whatever their source. Western Civilization should be seen as a process, a journey, a quest. A quest for fucking fun.
Where's the Tylenol.
She seemed to understand this just fine in Infidel. I guess the $$$ from AEI, Hoover and PragerU must have opened up some new “horizons”.
As near as I can tell, being 'woke' is when a person exhibits signs of human decency, and dares to deviate from the approved Republican talking points. The religious right in the United States tends to view human decency as a character flaw, while demanding loyalty to their hard-right politics. She doesn't seem to have much of a grasp of history. Trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy.
I’m woke and I’ve never burned a flag nor said the words I can’t breathe. Or Black Lives Matter. WTF is wrong with these cretins?
There's reality and then there's the fantasy conservatives keep confusing for reality.
I used to have tremendous respect for her and what she endured, overcame, and accomplished. This is disappointing and sad to hear.
As I said below, she's mostly lied about her past down through the years. It's all part of her grift.
Lied? About what specifically?
https://www.alternet.org/2015/03/anti-islam-author-ayaan-hirsi-alis-latest-deception
Thank you for the article.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing the link.
You aren't alone as it comes to that. This change is positively astonishing to me, and I can make no sense of it.
I'm sad, but not astonished. She's an extremist.
It always is when someone turns to the dark side.
Ali simply traded one delusion (Islam) for another (Christianity).
She blames Putin/Russia as a great threat to the West? Maybe she should look into his/their religious beliefs. The dominant religion is the Russian Orthodox Church. You know...Christian, like her. It is Christian Nationalism in this country that is a great threat.
So she went from being a muslim moron, to an atheist moron, to a christian moron. I'm sensing a trend here.
Next stop: Mormon moron.
When she went out after that binge last noght, she had a little moron.
She's just like those Christians who say they are atheist because they "hate God". Nope you are not atheist, you don't understand the term. Of course, it's pretty clear Ali doesn't understand Christianity either. What she understands is this Maga-Christian we have here in the US. "Maga" becoming an antonym prefix. "Make America Great Again" is doing the opposite of that. Maga-Christian stands for the opposite of the Christianity I grew up with. This whole anti-woke agenda thing is just bigots who have felt they've been in the closet far too long. Now for an ex-Muslim to come out with an anti-woke driving force? That is some next level self-hatred right there. That is almost on par with Clarence Thomas.
Let's see what she flops to with her next book, shall we?
I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you. 🙂
PragerU: Because TrumpU was shut down and you don't have the credentials to teach at Dunning-Kruger Community College.
And none of them are colleges- just grifter hide-outs.
The Christian right wing movement is developing more commonalities with the Islamic Jihad movements than not. Perhaps Ayann Hirsi Ali yearns to be dominated by a religion again.
I liked pointing out to conservatives on the TBT forums that they and the Islamic State are two sides of the same coin.
Simples really, she finally realised that her far right grift (which she's been pushing since the early 2000's) does not fly amongst the non-religious. And she's also realised that to keep the crowd she's flying with, she's going to have to at least nominally become one of them.
PS Hirsi Ali lied about most of her past when claiming asylum in the Netherlands, she had been living as a member of the upper class in Kenya before coming to Europe, and nothing she claimed had happened to her.
"She didn’t convert for Christ. She converted for the culture wars."
She isn't saying that Christianity is true, just that it's useful. Even if she were right, what am I to do with that? I won't walk the walk unless it's true.
Ditto with larry.
Hi Bob! What's up with your blog? I miss it.
Thanks! You made my day.
Yeah, OnlySky is going through a phase, seeing how they fit with American Atheists. I've not gotten an update, so I'm in the dark with everyone else. Most blogs (including mine) are shut down. I'm enjoying my retirement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3kJ6SU3ycs
My favourite gun YouTube.
I had completely forgotten about that delightful video.
I prefer the version with the cancan music.
... and he was named "Tex," too.
But I need smart people writing things down and educating me. Now I'm going to have to go to Facebook to get my information and philosophical controversies.
Ditto. We need all the sane, reasonable, and knowledgeable voices we can get in the face of the howling authoritarian madness out there. We need to know that there are still rational humans out there.
Did you know "ditto" is the mating cry of obese consewertives? ;)
From the guy who made it famous, that Round Mound of Sound Rush Limbaugh.
Of what year? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic
Ditto with Larry and Ben. I hope to see you publishing again soon Bob!
people who don’t believe in God are “capable of believing in anything.”
On the contrary, people who believe in gods will believe in anything ... they've been conditioned.
IMHO she converted to gain a bigger audience and more sales. It's all about money.
Just got an electrician to run a LAN cable under the house from the modem thingy to my computer. I now have consistent decent Internet speeds. It was varying wildly before from about 28 to about 200 whatever thingies they measure it in. Now it's 900+ I'm happy. Also happy that the electrician found one of the switches in our outside board thingy was burning out and outright dangerous. I rang the company that installed it and they are gonna pay for these guys replacing which they just did. I'm even happier now my house isn't going to burn down at some random time.
Now you can waste time twice as fast. : )
That's why I got Google Fiber. The echos, the phone, the kindle, and the laptop are the only things in the house on wireless. Every thing that can be wired is.