Every time a Christian complains of being fired or otherwise being persecuted in the United States, it is always by misrepresenting, omitting, or otherwise lying about the facts. Every. Single. Time. Lying for Jesus is just baked into their persecution complex.
He didnβt pray silently or by himself. If I recall correctly, he hijacked the PA system to order both teams to go out into the field to pray in full view of the entire audience.
This is about as opposite of Matthew 6:5 as you can get short of a mega church.
This might as well have been God's Not Dead CXIII - Regular Joe Gets His Way. What is the most disturbing about the whole matter is the utter loss of FACTS regarding Kennedy, his actions, his departure from the high school, and most especially, how the Supreme Court completely mishandled the case. That last is, of course, reflective of the religious content of the court and the fact that, in yours truly's humble opinion, that they were not ruling based on the law but RULING BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS.
And yet one more reason why the Supremes either are losing or HAVE LOST any credibility they might once have had.
The Court has thrown out precedents, ignored the rules of standing and in this decision and the most recent decision, ignored facts. I loved the dissenting opinion in the 'bump stock' case; ""When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck" - Sotomayer. I was just surprised at the ruling about mifepristone they slapped down. They had already set the precedent that someone without standing could bring suit but to say a person could not bring suit just because they didn't want someone else to have it seemed to go against the Maga Christian tenant of forcing everyone to dance to their tune.
This six justices are conniving, they know that if they wouldβve ruled against mifepristone, today, it would hurt Trumpβs chances. Theyβll wait until after the election if Trump wins. No doubt they figure, like during their confirmation hearings, having their fingers crossed, covers their lies and hypocrisy.
The idea of a guy grifting off his religion for self-promotion, celebrity and money doesn't bother me or even surprise me. Tim Ballard, of the phony Operation Underground Railroad, is a prime example. Things were going swimmingly for him, big movie release, plenty of publicity, until it all came crashing down over abuse and fraud allegations. Show me a 'conservative christian', I'll show you a conman.
What bothers me is this supreme court's total disregard for the facts underlying the cases they've decided on 'religious freedom' grounds, whether it was this one, based on a stack of lies, or the one involving a *wedding website designer* who falsely claimed a gay couple asked her to design a site that 'went against her deeply-held religious beliefs.' The guy she claimed was her 'gay client' was a straight guy who'd been married for years and never contacted her at all. Did that matter to this court? HELL NO, it didn't matter.
Like Joe Kennedy, the court was looking for 'christian martyrdom' case to 'avenge.' Facts, be damned. And like Joe Kennedy, we have at least of couple of christian nationalist grifters raking in luxury gifts, living the lifestyles of the rich and famous off their billionaire *friends.* THAT's the real scandal here: phony cases being decided by phony justices.
The problem isn't really that some christain coach prayed after games in violation of the establishment clause. It is that he was callously setting up his martyrhood so the Supremes would make up new 'law'. The Dominionists helped out by the Heritage Foundation and the Opus Dei catholics are setting the country up for a dictatorship or partition.
Well, we know the Dominionists and the Opus Dei wonβt be able to get along once they donβt have a common enemy. So either partition or a religious war.
It's all theater with people like this. Posture for the twice born crowd, and then play the poor persecuted victim when anyone objects. The people who cry they're being persecuted who would be the first people to persecute others if given the chance. As it always is with these people, the real objective is separating the gullible from their money.
Performative Christians are not performing so everyone knows they are Christian, that's assumed. They are performing so everyone knows how much better the Performative Christian is than everyone else.
I personally have trouble understanding the thought process of a certain sort.
It would seem to me, that after the first instance of lying - knowingly, open-eyed flat out falsification of the actual story - that anyone genuinely faithful would realize that the inherent dishonesty means their faith isn't what they think it is or want it to be.
Ok, sure, the con artists, the grifters, the barely-famous panting for anything resembling another desperate grasp at the brass ring - I don't expect integrity from people like that. But I have trouble believing that everyone behind glurge media like this is a cynical amoral user.
As a progressive, I like (for instance) The West Wing as much as anybody. But I don't pretend it's real. And I don't have to - it's inspiring (and entertaining) fiction. I am rarely the smartest person in any given room, but I can tell the difference.
Then again, I actually try. Maybe that's the difference.
Thatβs why the complete loss of critical thinking has been incorporated into the religion. Blind faith and not being allowed to question orders means they can say and do everything without fear of being called out.
And he was probably PISSED because people didn't rush out to the field and flock around him anymore. That would explain why he cut his final prayer so short. He realized he was all alone and nobody was looking at King Him. How DARE those plebians ignore him!
You'd think people who proclaim their inherent moral superiority so frequently, which includes the prohibition of lying, would do that less freely. However so often people simply don't let facts stop a "good story" being told. It's no secret for anyone aware of history that Christians have been no exception to this, and in some times or places their moral behavior was (or is) quite poor. Yet we who doubt the Christian claims are then assured those in the past wouldn't have lied about miracles (including ones foundational for Christianity) or at least uncritically passed on these stories. We see just such behavior now though. Martyrdom seeking in the past was even more intense, with Christians themselves growing disturbed at how eager some of their fellows were to be tortured and killed if this got them salvation. I don't see much difference in behavior now, it's only the specifics and scale of things.
"ummmmm... honey I'm pregnant, but I'm, uh, still a virgin, you see, because it was, like, god, that got me pregnant, you see, so, yeah. still a virgin, so never cheated, yep, you can believe me for sure. yep. "
Well, hard to blame the girl for lying to escape a horrifying mode of death. And I'm guessing that as a teenage girl in that era, she probably was not told squat about the birds and the bees. A divine pregnancy and virgin birth sounds very much like something a panicked young girl would cobble together to save herself.
Our favorite movies are not those based on a true story, but "inspired" by a true story. That means that you can say anything that you want to say and it need not have any relationship to reality.
Which leads us to point two.
If you have to lie to prove your point, then maybe you don't actually have a point that's provable
Well that's not fair. I thought you were one of those Trump people and I thought you were lying when you said 'steal". How was I to know you were telling the truth?
Kennedy wanted to be seen praying. In the Bible it says" Go into your room and close the door and pray to your Father in secret and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you" not make a big deal about it on a football field. Well looks like Kennedy had his 15 minutes of fame. I had completely forgotten about him.
There are a LOT of bible verses out there that believers are either not aware of (Ezekiel 23:20!) or choose to ignore, and at times, I think there are NONE out there so disregarded as Matthew 6:5-6.
I would say Kennedy is a hypocrite. As are many, many Christians in general. I'm sure Kennedy knows of Matthew 6:5-6 but it's a lot more fun for him to pray on a football field. I'm surprised nobody told him to actually pray like the Christian he pretends to be. His 15 minutes of fame are long gone that is until he runs for President!
'If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He's got so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.β
β Gene Roddenberry, 'Star Trek: The God Thing' 1975 (from an unproduced script, 'The God Thing'
It's a PureShit movie. The kiss of death for any film. If it even makes it to theaters, it will be a Fathom Events "One Night Only" event drawing only believers.
I heard a fireworks show yesterday evening. No idea what the occasion was, the fΓͺte de la musique is officially next weekend and we are a month away from National Day.
I used to like fireworks, but now I'm a little bit anti, given their general effect on animals. And every November the fucking fifth, because of daylight saving people are shooting them off practically all fucking night.
Cuppa to kick off the day, fine....I really enjoy a coffee that Aldi sells here in my area...a dark roast German thing that recently got rebranded so no clue what it's called. (at a conference so can't snap a shot and too lazy/tired to Google)
That waste of bandwidth that MSNBC schlocks in the early hours is the reverse of Fox & Fiends' obverse, to coin a (unnecessary) phrase. π
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Every time a Christian complains of being fired or otherwise being persecuted in the United States, it is always by misrepresenting, omitting, or otherwise lying about the facts. Every. Single. Time. Lying for Jesus is just baked into their persecution complex.
And a persecution complex is literally a core part of their identity; Candida Moss has some interesting books on that.
I call that martyrbation.
I'm going to remember that one!
He didnβt pray silently or by himself. If I recall correctly, he hijacked the PA system to order both teams to go out into the field to pray in full view of the entire audience.
This is about as opposite of Matthew 6:5 as you can get short of a mega church.
This might as well have been God's Not Dead CXIII - Regular Joe Gets His Way. What is the most disturbing about the whole matter is the utter loss of FACTS regarding Kennedy, his actions, his departure from the high school, and most especially, how the Supreme Court completely mishandled the case. That last is, of course, reflective of the religious content of the court and the fact that, in yours truly's humble opinion, that they were not ruling based on the law but RULING BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS.
And yet one more reason why the Supremes either are losing or HAVE LOST any credibility they might once have had.
The Court has thrown out precedents, ignored the rules of standing and in this decision and the most recent decision, ignored facts. I loved the dissenting opinion in the 'bump stock' case; ""When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck" - Sotomayer. I was just surprised at the ruling about mifepristone they slapped down. They had already set the precedent that someone without standing could bring suit but to say a person could not bring suit just because they didn't want someone else to have it seemed to go against the Maga Christian tenant of forcing everyone to dance to their tune.
They want a case where they can cite the Comstock act so they can take out birth control at the same time.
Coke-Can Clarence trumpeted that was the plan.
If it wouldn't screw over thousand families, I would wish for loving vs Virginia to be overturned.
Coke-Can Clarence with a hair on the Coke can trumpeted that was the plan.
FIFY.
This six justices are conniving, they know that if they wouldβve ruled against mifepristone, today, it would hurt Trumpβs chances. Theyβll wait until after the election if Trump wins. No doubt they figure, like during their confirmation hearings, having their fingers crossed, covers their lies and hypocrisy.
π―
Yes, the dissenting opinion on bump stock is gold. 6 SCOTUS will have blood on their hands very soon.
If they cared, they wouldn't have reversed Roe.
If they cared, they wouldn't have ruled the way they have on countless cases stretching back some 40 years.
6 scoutus are completely corrupt, illegitimate, irresponsible. Fascists fucks.
Scalia made sure of that with Heller.
Just wait until they pull some creative 'new' 16th or 17th century 'laws' out of Alito's ass to grant tRump immunity from prosecution...
That ass is deep.
Maybe theyβre waiting until after the election because they donβt want to give Biden the power to use now, or if he was to win election.
Personally, I can't wait for the crew at Godawful Movies to get a hold of this one.
The idea of a guy grifting off his religion for self-promotion, celebrity and money doesn't bother me or even surprise me. Tim Ballard, of the phony Operation Underground Railroad, is a prime example. Things were going swimmingly for him, big movie release, plenty of publicity, until it all came crashing down over abuse and fraud allegations. Show me a 'conservative christian', I'll show you a conman.
What bothers me is this supreme court's total disregard for the facts underlying the cases they've decided on 'religious freedom' grounds, whether it was this one, based on a stack of lies, or the one involving a *wedding website designer* who falsely claimed a gay couple asked her to design a site that 'went against her deeply-held religious beliefs.' The guy she claimed was her 'gay client' was a straight guy who'd been married for years and never contacted her at all. Did that matter to this court? HELL NO, it didn't matter.
Like Joe Kennedy, the court was looking for 'christian martyrdom' case to 'avenge.' Facts, be damned. And like Joe Kennedy, we have at least of couple of christian nationalist grifters raking in luxury gifts, living the lifestyles of the rich and famous off their billionaire *friends.* THAT's the real scandal here: phony cases being decided by phony justices.
The problem isn't really that some christain coach prayed after games in violation of the establishment clause. It is that he was callously setting up his martyrhood so the Supremes would make up new 'law'. The Dominionists helped out by the Heritage Foundation and the Opus Dei catholics are setting the country up for a dictatorship or partition.
Well, we know the Dominionists and the Opus Dei wonβt be able to get along once they donβt have a common enemy. So either partition or a religious war.
A religious war leading to partition.
They both think the other is going straight to Hell!
It's all theater with people like this. Posture for the twice born crowd, and then play the poor persecuted victim when anyone objects. The people who cry they're being persecuted who would be the first people to persecute others if given the chance. As it always is with these people, the real objective is separating the gullible from their money.
It astonishes me that the gullible have any money left.
For sure.
(voice from stage left) "Challenge accepted"
Oh, but they do, even if it means that they'll go hungry the rest of the week or month.π
Most times they cry persecution WHILE doing the persecution.
Performative Christians are not performing so everyone knows they are Christian, that's assumed. They are performing so everyone knows how much better the Performative Christian is than everyone else.
I personally have trouble understanding the thought process of a certain sort.
It would seem to me, that after the first instance of lying - knowingly, open-eyed flat out falsification of the actual story - that anyone genuinely faithful would realize that the inherent dishonesty means their faith isn't what they think it is or want it to be.
Ok, sure, the con artists, the grifters, the barely-famous panting for anything resembling another desperate grasp at the brass ring - I don't expect integrity from people like that. But I have trouble believing that everyone behind glurge media like this is a cynical amoral user.
As a progressive, I like (for instance) The West Wing as much as anybody. But I don't pretend it's real. And I don't have to - it's inspiring (and entertaining) fiction. I am rarely the smartest person in any given room, but I can tell the difference.
Then again, I actually try. Maybe that's the difference.
Thatβs why the complete loss of critical thinking has been incorporated into the religion. Blind faith and not being allowed to question orders means they can say and do everything without fear of being called out.
Kennedy's little midfield stunt before quitting for good was just him childishly getting in the last word.
Christians are such babies.
And he was probably PISSED because people didn't rush out to the field and flock around him anymore. That would explain why he cut his final prayer so short. He realized he was all alone and nobody was looking at King Him. How DARE those plebians ignore him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m34GUn0QqA
You'd think people who proclaim their inherent moral superiority so frequently, which includes the prohibition of lying, would do that less freely. However so often people simply don't let facts stop a "good story" being told. It's no secret for anyone aware of history that Christians have been no exception to this, and in some times or places their moral behavior was (or is) quite poor. Yet we who doubt the Christian claims are then assured those in the past wouldn't have lied about miracles (including ones foundational for Christianity) or at least uncritically passed on these stories. We see just such behavior now though. Martyrdom seeking in the past was even more intense, with Christians themselves growing disturbed at how eager some of their fellows were to be tortured and killed if this got them salvation. I don't see much difference in behavior now, it's only the specifics and scale of things.
Their whole story begins with a teenage girl not wanting to get stoned to death.
Christianity: a lie about an affair that got WAY out of hand.
Which is that?
"ummmmm... honey I'm pregnant, but I'm, uh, still a virgin, you see, because it was, like, god, that got me pregnant, you see, so, yeah. still a virgin, so never cheated, yep, you can believe me for sure. yep. "
Yes, definitely the most probable explanation.
Well, hard to blame the girl for lying to escape a horrifying mode of death. And I'm guessing that as a teenage girl in that era, she probably was not told squat about the birds and the bees. A divine pregnancy and virgin birth sounds very much like something a panicked young girl would cobble together to save herself.
Hey, Joe...
What did the man you call your savior tell his followers? Here, let me remind you:
"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
-- Matthew 6:1
So important that it lead off a chapter. Why did you slap Jesus in the face with you repeated disobedience?
"Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord' and do not do what I say?"
-- Luke 6:46
More of a suggestion, not really a rule. ; )
It depends on who is picking the cherries.
Like with 3/5th and alitosis.
Two points. Just two.
Our favorite movies are not those based on a true story, but "inspired" by a true story. That means that you can say anything that you want to say and it need not have any relationship to reality.
Which leads us to point two.
If you have to lie to prove your point, then maybe you don't actually have a point that's provable
That is using logic. I believe logic is impossible for them to understand.
βIf you have to lie to prove your point, then maybe you don't actually have a point that's provable.β
Stealing this. I can think of so many uses for it.
You will of course send me money, right? You're not like one of those Trump people, are you?
Was I not clear? I said βstealβ.
Well that's not fair. I thought you were one of those Trump people and I thought you were lying when you said 'steal". How was I to know you were telling the truth?
I am going to complain to the management.
Coming soon to a church basement near you.
Just like A Thief in the Night.
Kennedy wanted to be seen praying. In the Bible it says" Go into your room and close the door and pray to your Father in secret and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you" not make a big deal about it on a football field. Well looks like Kennedy had his 15 minutes of fame. I had completely forgotten about him.
There are a LOT of bible verses out there that believers are either not aware of (Ezekiel 23:20!) or choose to ignore, and at times, I think there are NONE out there so disregarded as Matthew 6:5-6.
I would say Kennedy is a hypocrite. As are many, many Christians in general. I'm sure Kennedy knows of Matthew 6:5-6 but it's a lot more fun for him to pray on a football field. I'm surprised nobody told him to actually pray like the Christian he pretends to be. His 15 minutes of fame are long gone that is until he runs for President!
That's only because Kennedy IS a hypocrite!
Maybe he thought he was cute and going to get a girlfriend out of praying in a football field?Nothing attractive about hypocrisy.
'If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He's got so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.β
β Gene Roddenberry, 'Star Trek: The God Thing' 1975 (from an unproduced script, 'The God Thing'
It's a PureShit movie. The kiss of death for any film. If it even makes it to theaters, it will be a Fathom Events "One Night Only" event drawing only believers.
A Republican wet dream comes true. Thank you, Jesus.
Tickets for free.
That'd still be overcharging.
Believe it or not, there's a division of Sony Pictures that makes these 'inspirational' films; (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirm_Films)
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cd23469d8b7d6c50d2029c80e5e229733e31ee7998011df769cc9858e56e38b.jpg
Don't even need to leave the house. I say it every time someone shoots off fireworks after midnight.
I heard a fireworks show yesterday evening. No idea what the occasion was, the fΓͺte de la musique is officially next weekend and we are a month away from National Day.
I used to like fireworks, but now I'm a little bit anti, given their general effect on animals. And every November the fucking fifth, because of daylight saving people are shooting them off practically all fucking night.
I don't mind them on the 4th of July or even New Years. It's the random Tuesday night that knocks me out of my chair.
What ? You don't like being smothered by 85 kgs* of dogs by 30Β° C ?
* Aria, Rhapsodie and Texas, an Australian Shepherd I dogsitted.
Sorry, but that Joe isn't "average", he's waaaaay towards the wrong end of the bell curve.
He's one of those who gives Joes a bad name.
Took me a little while to figure out what you were driving at, but I only just got up, and I'm just halfway through my 2nd cup of tea.
Not a morning Joe kind of guy ?
Cuppa to kick off the day, fine....I really enjoy a coffee that Aldi sells here in my area...a dark roast German thing that recently got rebranded so no clue what it's called. (at a conference so can't snap a shot and too lazy/tired to Google)
That waste of bandwidth that MSNBC schlocks in the early hours is the reverse of Fox & Fiends' obverse, to coin a (unnecessary) phrase. π
One of DM's favorite. Strong with a slight tang/acidic smell
https://images.app.goo.gl/uy9k1unLaUt3E8i88
This is the stuff: https://www.aldi.us/products/beverages/coffee/detail/ps/p/specially-selected-premium-roasted-ground-coffee/
Mine doesn't sell it.
Stalin, Smith, McCarthy.
(I had to go thru a lot of Joes to get those three. : )
(I have a brother named Joe. : )
Joe the Plumber. Joe Walsh (the Teabaggers, not the musician). Joe Wilson. π