Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. No group in this country expects privilege quite like conservative Christians, who expect the world to defer to their religious beliefs and never challenge them. Trying to portray themselves as victims here, is a case in point.
It would seem as though Christian privilege is struggling against the Washington Elementary School District ... and LOSING. To which I say, "IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!" This kind of realization that religion in general and Christianity in particular have no place in a secular education system. If parents want their children educated in the Bible or Torah or Quran, they can go to the appropriate schools for those topics. It is not the purpose or responsibility of a public school system to deal in those subjects.
And that the Washington, Arizona school system is recognizing that is a much-needed positive sign.
Public schools have to accept all students, but they can be discerning with their teachers. If the teacher looking to do field experience or student teaching is open about how they do not like or want to help or keep safe all the students, then their presence is not welcome. Do your shit at a Christian school. Get the subpar education you desire there. The Christian schools are allowed to reject LGBT, or non Christian students or even students of color if that is their choice. Public schools need to provide a quality, safe and up to date education for all children in the district. Allowing teachers to preach, proselytize, and judge the students interferes in the quality of the education.
I’m trying not to rant. If your Christianity is based on hating LGBT people, then yes it is your Christianity that is what I’m going to reject.
"The school board's recent decision to ban ACU students from serving as student teachers was done for one reason only: our University's commitment to our Christian convictions…“
It’s your commitment to Christian bigotry. You may be convicted of them, they’re still bigotries.
OMG! Christian oppression. They can't teach at this school. Now all they have left is their unwarranted tax exemptions for the churches that infest ever village, town and city in America, their mythology on our currency, thousands of religious schools and universities and thousands of radio, tv and internet sites. Whatever will they do?
I saw the headline of this article and my first thought was “until the death threats roll in.” And by the end of the article I knew what these good people will now be facing. I will guarantee the threats will come from outside the district , at least some of the more violent ones.
"Board President Nikki Gomez-Whaley noted that the possible decision to cease the partnership was not about Christianity. It was about bigotry:"
"After word got back to right-wing propaganda outlets, those websites immediately acted like these board members were anti-Christian."
As the daylight between those vaunted yet never spelled-out "Christian values" and plain old bigotry continues to get squeezed narrower and narrower, as they more broadly become indistinguishable, and as the often-mentioned non-bigoted Christians' SILENCE becomes more and more DEAFENING, statements that portray opposition to bigotry as opposition to Christian values are actually becoming more correct.
This is because your values are not shown by what you say, or what you think, or what you believe, and certainly not shown in an old hodge podge of a book that has been used to justify every position on every topic and its opposite. No, your values are shown by WHAT YOU DO, and increasingly Christians do the business of bigotry. Then they whine about their bruised rights when people call them out on how ugly their business is.
I still recall from middle school, the Christian college student gym teacher who broke my hand throwing a playground ball hard, during a game of “prison ball”. He kept his job, but I failed my typing class.
I'm torn about this. On one hand I dislike any association between a public school and a religious organization and find this decision makes me feel good. On the other hand, my sense of fairness says, they didn't see the student teachers discriminating against LGBT or non-Christian students or denigrating them in any way, so just the fact they attend a bigoted Christian school, doesn't mean they bring a bigoted Christianity to these classrooms, any more than a gay student teacher brings zir homosexuality to the classroom.
I'll admit I'm the type of person who tries to give the benefit of the doubt to people. (That doesn't mean I don't recognize implication and insinuation unlike some posters)
I honestly would be okay with letting the students participate, but as the one member said, they have to follow *the district's* rules and regs when doing so, not their university's. Any bigotry or bible preaching, you're out. If that's enforced, I expect ACU might opt out of the program themselves.
But say they don't, and the monitoring is done right. So there's no proselytizing going on. This helps the students by giving them TAs and it helps the young would-be teachers who grew up in a fundie environment become less fundie by exposing them to all the regular kids, parents, teachers etc. they've been told are horrible. That sort of social exposure, creating friendships, working together and side by side with someone you've been told to hate, etc. is the best way to deprogram them. And frankly I expect a lot of them might already be secretly more open than their parents or ACU professors. Lots of these Christian universities are more about selling *the parents* some false notion that their kids will be cocooned from the real world, when the kids themselves don't share it. At least IMO.
Are they going to proselytise? If not I wouldn't have any great objection. They learn about normality, teach the prescription or whatever you call it over there, and keep their mouths shut. Could be a win if doubts are sowed. 😇
I try to treat people as individuals and not as stand ins for some group or ideology. That's why I don't think the board should have discontinued the contract until they found out if the university was willing to follow their rules and if the student teachers were violating the rules.
Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. No group in this country expects privilege quite like conservative Christians, who expect the world to defer to their religious beliefs and never challenge them. Trying to portray themselves as victims here, is a case in point.
It would seem as though Christian privilege is struggling against the Washington Elementary School District ... and LOSING. To which I say, "IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!" This kind of realization that religion in general and Christianity in particular have no place in a secular education system. If parents want their children educated in the Bible or Torah or Quran, they can go to the appropriate schools for those topics. It is not the purpose or responsibility of a public school system to deal in those subjects.
And that the Washington, Arizona school system is recognizing that is a much-needed positive sign.
"New Arizona school board member says the district should not hire Christian teachers".
Lying liars for jeebus lying again. **checks calendar** Yep, another day ending in y.
Public schools have to accept all students, but they can be discerning with their teachers. If the teacher looking to do field experience or student teaching is open about how they do not like or want to help or keep safe all the students, then their presence is not welcome. Do your shit at a Christian school. Get the subpar education you desire there. The Christian schools are allowed to reject LGBT, or non Christian students or even students of color if that is their choice. Public schools need to provide a quality, safe and up to date education for all children in the district. Allowing teachers to preach, proselytize, and judge the students interferes in the quality of the education.
I’m trying not to rant. If your Christianity is based on hating LGBT people, then yes it is your Christianity that is what I’m going to reject.
"The school board's recent decision to ban ACU students from serving as student teachers was done for one reason only: our University's commitment to our Christian convictions…“
It’s your commitment to Christian bigotry. You may be convicted of them, they’re still bigotries.
OMG! Christian oppression. They can't teach at this school. Now all they have left is their unwarranted tax exemptions for the churches that infest ever village, town and city in America, their mythology on our currency, thousands of religious schools and universities and thousands of radio, tv and internet sites. Whatever will they do?
I saw the headline of this article and my first thought was “until the death threats roll in.” And by the end of the article I knew what these good people will now be facing. I will guarantee the threats will come from outside the district , at least some of the more violent ones.
Alright... now pick up the spare, and yank that shithole's accreditation.
I know, I know- the state government probably doesn't care. Good on the school board, though.
"Board President Nikki Gomez-Whaley noted that the possible decision to cease the partnership was not about Christianity. It was about bigotry:"
"After word got back to right-wing propaganda outlets, those websites immediately acted like these board members were anti-Christian."
As the daylight between those vaunted yet never spelled-out "Christian values" and plain old bigotry continues to get squeezed narrower and narrower, as they more broadly become indistinguishable, and as the often-mentioned non-bigoted Christians' SILENCE becomes more and more DEAFENING, statements that portray opposition to bigotry as opposition to Christian values are actually becoming more correct.
This is because your values are not shown by what you say, or what you think, or what you believe, and certainly not shown in an old hodge podge of a book that has been used to justify every position on every topic and its opposite. No, your values are shown by WHAT YOU DO, and increasingly Christians do the business of bigotry. Then they whine about their bruised rights when people call them out on how ugly their business is.
If human beings were meant to be monogamous for life, we would be penguins.
I still recall from middle school, the Christian college student gym teacher who broke my hand throwing a playground ball hard, during a game of “prison ball”. He kept his job, but I failed my typing class.
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I'm torn about this. On one hand I dislike any association between a public school and a religious organization and find this decision makes me feel good. On the other hand, my sense of fairness says, they didn't see the student teachers discriminating against LGBT or non-Christian students or denigrating them in any way, so just the fact they attend a bigoted Christian school, doesn't mean they bring a bigoted Christianity to these classrooms, any more than a gay student teacher brings zir homosexuality to the classroom.
I'll admit I'm the type of person who tries to give the benefit of the doubt to people. (That doesn't mean I don't recognize implication and insinuation unlike some posters)
I honestly would be okay with letting the students participate, but as the one member said, they have to follow *the district's* rules and regs when doing so, not their university's. Any bigotry or bible preaching, you're out. If that's enforced, I expect ACU might opt out of the program themselves.
But say they don't, and the monitoring is done right. So there's no proselytizing going on. This helps the students by giving them TAs and it helps the young would-be teachers who grew up in a fundie environment become less fundie by exposing them to all the regular kids, parents, teachers etc. they've been told are horrible. That sort of social exposure, creating friendships, working together and side by side with someone you've been told to hate, etc. is the best way to deprogram them. And frankly I expect a lot of them might already be secretly more open than their parents or ACU professors. Lots of these Christian universities are more about selling *the parents* some false notion that their kids will be cocooned from the real world, when the kids themselves don't share it. At least IMO.
Are they going to proselytise? If not I wouldn't have any great objection. They learn about normality, teach the prescription or whatever you call it over there, and keep their mouths shut. Could be a win if doubts are sowed. 😇
I try to treat people as individuals and not as stand ins for some group or ideology. That's why I don't think the board should have discontinued the contract until they found out if the university was willing to follow their rules and if the student teachers were violating the rules.