A jump from 28% to 42% in THREE YEARS? That should raise the suspicion of any statistician worth their salt. I would wonder both about the sample size AND the demographic being sampled.
Something is seriously rotten in those numbers, and further research and investigation is clearly warranted.
According to the article, the samples of 18-29 year olds was ridiculously small, hence the high margins of error: "295 men aged 18-29 and 145 women aged 18-29". That's not a polling sample, it's a line at Starbucks.
Especially as a wee while ago a poll was reported, which (apparently) showed that there was increased religiosity in the UK. And then a short while later it was reported that the poll was flawed.
I think Hemant has a point about the wording of the question. I could argue that I find religion important only because more than half the country believes in the supernatural and one political party is wielding that belief like a cudgel.
I would want to know how many of them attend church regularly or simply believe God can smite them for not.
OR ... do they believe that faking it like Donnie Dumb-Ass does will aid in getting them the power and influence they want? Sure works for Donnie. Why shouldn't it work for me?
Further Thought: We allegedly have 42% of young men saying that religion is important in their lives. Okay, HOW IMPORTANT? How are they recognizing and/or expressing that importance? Do they go to church, AND DO THEY TITHE??? Do they support the social positions their church takes.
Finally and most importantly, WHERE DO THEY STAND ON STATE / CHURCH SEPARATION?
The question about "importance" struck me as phenomenally vague. Let's NAIL THINGS DOWN just a little bit.
Seems like religion is less important to these "converts" than having a source of authority backing their misogynistic views.
In other words, I wouldn't expect these "alpha" bros to be volunteering to take the places of the women leaving the church in the nursery and Sunday Schools and the church bake sales.
An argument could be made that this poll is a bit more accurate, since the one that predicted Harris beating Trump failed to account for the misogyny and racism that we are still trying to excise from the nation's core.
Farron did a piece on Gallup awhile back (can't remember if it was Farron Balanced or Ring of Fire).. He was none too pleased with them. Wish I could find the segment.
To add: I believe it has something to do with Gallup deciding to end presidential approval ratings that it had been doing since 1938 during FDRs 2nd term. Farron saw cowardice/fear of Trump in Gallop's actions (at the time they did that, Trump's approval rating was down to 36%).
Oh yeah. I am aware that correlation does not equal causation, but the correlation is pretty strong here. It is difficult to tell if one is causing the other, or if both are symptoms of the same thing. I suspect there are other factors. The wealthy and powerful white men these young people are following have been telling them that it is the "woke mob" of feminists, POC, and the LGBTQ community that are all oppressing them, partly to distract them from the fact that it is the wealthy who are doing the oppressing, and partly to indoctrinate.
The herd instinct runs deep in the human species, and I suspect it was part of our survival strategy. Puny little humans survived by banding together for defense and division of labor. That instinct to band together combined with the fact believing is easier than thinking for a lot of people is how organized religion survives. I don’t know if these statistics are valid or not, and do not especially care. I know I would never trust any self-justifying nonsense put out by the churches.
Gee, I wonder why young women are running from the church? Could it be that we aren’t viewed as full human beings capable of making informed decisions about our bodies and lives? Also, some amount of young men turning to church with their misplaced anger is to be expected in this current climate. The promise of your own “mini empire” (control over a wife and children) is appealing enough for some men to forget all about the systems we live under that hurt all of us.
I constantly get spam calls on my cell phone, some for someone else completely. One guy had my identity correct, but the property they wanted to sell a roof or something for was not. Asked about a California property where I have never lived. While we were actively doing paperwork for a loan I received over 50 calls a day for three months, now it’s a trickle of five or six a day. No matter how many I block, I still get more.
One thing that is consistently left out of polls like this (and is the reason why the margins of error are so wide) is that people who are right wing want to typically be seen as morally superior and are performatively religious so they might answer that they attend church or be seen as christian even if they aren't actually following the rules or going to church. They simply want to be seen as a morally good person so they won't answer these polls honestly. Additionally, the big jump in 2-3 years also seems to indicate that people who are already religious might be becoming more performatively religious in that sense.
Makes sense. There’s a “male loneliness epidemic” targeting that age group, and church is a great place to meet that budding young tradwife. Not surprising given those factors.
Probably a little of both, and yet they end up getting frustrated because they don't like rules / accountability and being religious requires that. Additionally, getting a tradwife means providing a trad lifestyle which they can't provide either since more men than women are staying home and living with their parents longer...
This is sus. It would be of interest to see the results of other polls conducted equally the throw out the highest and lowest results. Average the rest and go with that number.
On an entirely different track but possibly not that unrelated, we have had by CNN the exposure of a Rape Club where, I guess because of being socially stunted, men now have a network of like minded men to teach and support them in drugging and then raping their wives and girlfriends. Could religion and rape be somehow connected?
It would be pretty smart for religious organizations to keep their glee about young men increasing in church attendance to themselves if they want women to continue to attend, that’s for sure. There does seem to be a trend of young women to avoid dating young men because of continuous revelations of male debauchery of this kind. The redpill manosphere also provides women a great deal of reasons to avoid male company, in public as well as private. A church that excuses or encourages this behavior, and so many preach it loudly in sermons and bible study, looks to lose the women while they gain the men. And we all know that where the women go, so goes families, and eventually the men. Women would be the better choice to spend time and energy on because they are the ones that do the work to keep husbands and children in the pews, as well as the work to keep the churches running.
I can see that young men might be drawn to churches that promise them willing slave women, ahem sorry, wives, but they will quickly realize that 1) the women there are not the women they actually want as they want women to break not women already broken, and 2) the women are running away and there won’t be enough available women in the church for all the new recruits.
It won’t last long no matter if the trends are changing or not.
Don't forget the relentless sanewashing of cable TV's favorite carnival barker bronze boy- a luxury they've never afforded any other politician in the history of televised Presidential campaigns. He keeps butts in chairs through the next commercial break, so he gets special treatment.
People don't like to admit that they're greedy hacks who'd sell their country out in a heartbeat to make sure the line keeps going up, either.
The wording of the question is poor. I am an atheist; however, religion is very important in my life because Christian nationalists are trying to take over the country in which I live.
A jump from 28% to 42% in THREE YEARS? That should raise the suspicion of any statistician worth their salt. I would wonder both about the sample size AND the demographic being sampled.
Something is seriously rotten in those numbers, and further research and investigation is clearly warranted.
Especially when "poll numbers" also claim that young trumpvangelicals are abandoning the der gropenfuhrer.
Right, the narrative is always pushed hard first and then they try and will it into reality.
According to the article, the samples of 18-29 year olds was ridiculously small, hence the high margins of error: "295 men aged 18-29 and 145 women aged 18-29". That's not a polling sample, it's a line at Starbucks.
I am highly skeptical of this claim. Polling is notoriously unreliable and has been for some time.
Especially as a wee while ago a poll was reported, which (apparently) showed that there was increased religiosity in the UK. And then a short while later it was reported that the poll was flawed.
Polls are not gospel.
https://freethinker.co.uk/2026/04/bible-society-retracts-false-quiet-revival-claims/
"I am highly skeptical of this claim"
Me too, the figure looks like an outlier.
"Polling is notoriously unreliable"
Indeed, I would like to see their methodology. I note that the margins of error are 7% and 10%.
So what will happen when the next survey drops the value by 15%?
I think Hemant has a point about the wording of the question. I could argue that I find religion important only because more than half the country believes in the supernatural and one political party is wielding that belief like a cudgel.
I would want to know how many of them attend church regularly or simply believe God can smite them for not.
OR ... do they believe that faking it like Donnie Dumb-Ass does will aid in getting them the power and influence they want? Sure works for Donnie. Why shouldn't it work for me?
Any bets on that one?
Yea, I'm not taking that bet.
Further Thought: We allegedly have 42% of young men saying that religion is important in their lives. Okay, HOW IMPORTANT? How are they recognizing and/or expressing that importance? Do they go to church, AND DO THEY TITHE??? Do they support the social positions their church takes.
Finally and most importantly, WHERE DO THEY STAND ON STATE / CHURCH SEPARATION?
The question about "importance" struck me as phenomenally vague. Let's NAIL THINGS DOWN just a little bit.
Seems like religion is less important to these "converts" than having a source of authority backing their misogynistic views.
In other words, I wouldn't expect these "alpha" bros to be volunteering to take the places of the women leaving the church in the nursery and Sunday Schools and the church bake sales.
I expect a few to be volunteering for Sunday school or youth groups leaders.
Eww. But you're probably correct.
I thought Hemant might generate an article on this. I posted the story at FA 3 days ago.
Gallup polling (and polling in general) predicted Kamala Harris beating Trump in 2024. You can see how THAT went. Always be careful with polling.
An argument could be made that this poll is a bit more accurate, since the one that predicted Harris beating Trump failed to account for the misogyny and racism that we are still trying to excise from the nation's core.
Farron did a piece on Gallup awhile back (can't remember if it was Farron Balanced or Ring of Fire).. He was none too pleased with them. Wish I could find the segment.
To add: I believe it has something to do with Gallup deciding to end presidential approval ratings that it had been doing since 1938 during FDRs 2nd term. Farron saw cowardice/fear of Trump in Gallop's actions (at the time they did that, Trump's approval rating was down to 36%).
Yeah, it was fairly obvious that they stopped presidential approval ratings out of fear of Trump enacting revenge of some sort on them.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑔 𝑅𝑒𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝐷𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑠. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑚𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟.
I wonder why?
...𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑒𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑 𝑎 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑒. 𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑜𝑔𝑦𝑛𝑦, 𝑐𝑟𝑢𝑒𝑙𝑡𝑦, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚.
Oh yeah. I am aware that correlation does not equal causation, but the correlation is pretty strong here. It is difficult to tell if one is causing the other, or if both are symptoms of the same thing. I suspect there are other factors. The wealthy and powerful white men these young people are following have been telling them that it is the "woke mob" of feminists, POC, and the LGBTQ community that are all oppressing them, partly to distract them from the fact that it is the wealthy who are doing the oppressing, and partly to indoctrinate.
Like someone once told me. "If your religion requires you to hate or control other people, you need to find a new religion."
The herd instinct runs deep in the human species, and I suspect it was part of our survival strategy. Puny little humans survived by banding together for defense and division of labor. That instinct to band together combined with the fact believing is easier than thinking for a lot of people is how organized religion survives. I don’t know if these statistics are valid or not, and do not especially care. I know I would never trust any self-justifying nonsense put out by the churches.
Gee, I wonder why young women are running from the church? Could it be that we aren’t viewed as full human beings capable of making informed decisions about our bodies and lives? Also, some amount of young men turning to church with their misplaced anger is to be expected in this current climate. The promise of your own “mini empire” (control over a wife and children) is appealing enough for some men to forget all about the systems we live under that hurt all of us.
I'd like to see the trend among young Corinthians.
Does two make it a trend?
How many young Corinthians does it take to cover the inside of a Chevy Cordoba with fine Corinthian leather?
Ask Tattoo....he was close to Khan. 😉
Hey, BOSS! Da plane, DA PLANE! ✈
Michigan guy here: pretty sure it was a Chrysler Cordoba that featured Corinthian leather.
You are correct, sir. Hiyo!
Poll questions:
1. How many people trust polls.
2. How many immediately hang up on pollsters when they call?
3. How many questions should be in a poll?
How well-worded is the poll? Are there ANY vagaries in the wording?
How many polls are conducted via cell phones versus landlines?
I don't know. I'm pretty quick on the hangup. I don't get many spam calls on my cellphone.
I constantly get spam calls on my cell phone, some for someone else completely. One guy had my identity correct, but the property they wanted to sell a roof or something for was not. Asked about a California property where I have never lived. While we were actively doing paperwork for a loan I received over 50 calls a day for three months, now it’s a trickle of five or six a day. No matter how many I block, I still get more.
One thing that is consistently left out of polls like this (and is the reason why the margins of error are so wide) is that people who are right wing want to typically be seen as morally superior and are performatively religious so they might answer that they attend church or be seen as christian even if they aren't actually following the rules or going to church. They simply want to be seen as a morally good person so they won't answer these polls honestly. Additionally, the big jump in 2-3 years also seems to indicate that people who are already religious might be becoming more performatively religious in that sense.
Makes sense. There’s a “male loneliness epidemic” targeting that age group, and church is a great place to meet that budding young tradwife. Not surprising given those factors.
Are they truly devout or just chasing girls?
Probably a little of both, and yet they end up getting frustrated because they don't like rules / accountability and being religious requires that. Additionally, getting a tradwife means providing a trad lifestyle which they can't provide either since more men than women are staying home and living with their parents longer...
This is sus. It would be of interest to see the results of other polls conducted equally the throw out the highest and lowest results. Average the rest and go with that number.
On an entirely different track but possibly not that unrelated, we have had by CNN the exposure of a Rape Club where, I guess because of being socially stunted, men now have a network of like minded men to teach and support them in drugging and then raping their wives and girlfriends. Could religion and rape be somehow connected?
Yahweh approves of it pretty obviously in the Old Testament, so why not? 🤦♂️
It would be pretty smart for religious organizations to keep their glee about young men increasing in church attendance to themselves if they want women to continue to attend, that’s for sure. There does seem to be a trend of young women to avoid dating young men because of continuous revelations of male debauchery of this kind. The redpill manosphere also provides women a great deal of reasons to avoid male company, in public as well as private. A church that excuses or encourages this behavior, and so many preach it loudly in sermons and bible study, looks to lose the women while they gain the men. And we all know that where the women go, so goes families, and eventually the men. Women would be the better choice to spend time and energy on because they are the ones that do the work to keep husbands and children in the pews, as well as the work to keep the churches running.
I can see that young men might be drawn to churches that promise them willing slave women, ahem sorry, wives, but they will quickly realize that 1) the women there are not the women they actually want as they want women to break not women already broken, and 2) the women are running away and there won’t be enough available women in the church for all the new recruits.
It won’t last long no matter if the trends are changing or not.
There's a reason the comment section is full of "Day Ending in 'Y'" posts every time a clergyman turns out to be a sex pest.
Ever since polls in 2016 predicted the US electing its first woman president I have stopped putting much faith in polls.
Very few people admit to posters that they're misogynists or xenophobes or racists or homophobes or the like.
Hillary lost to Trump due to a heapin' helpin' of misogyny.
Kamala lost to Trump despite America knowing just how fucked up he is due to a metric fuckton of misogyny & racism.
Don't forget the relentless sanewashing of cable TV's favorite carnival barker bronze boy- a luxury they've never afforded any other politician in the history of televised Presidential campaigns. He keeps butts in chairs through the next commercial break, so he gets special treatment.
People don't like to admit that they're greedy hacks who'd sell their country out in a heartbeat to make sure the line keeps going up, either.
The wording of the question is poor. I am an atheist; however, religion is very important in my life because Christian nationalists are trying to take over the country in which I live.