The Catholic church never stops giving people, especially young people, reasons to put the church behind them. The church is at least a century behind where the majority of Americans are on almost every issue. It is an institution consumed by magical thinking that goes back centuries. With each passing year they cede ground they will never recover, and the world is a little better for it.
What a tempest in a teapot. White Wedding (Billy Idol) and Let There Be Rock (AC/DC) were both filmed in churches. But ironically, Like a Prayer was not.
No doubt God will respond to this sacrilege by, uh, permitting RCC priests to continue to molest their parishoners. It's all your fault, Rock n' Roll!
She called herself Madonna and had already sang songs about losing virginity, being a whore, and a pregnant teenager out of wedlock. They weren't about to let her in a church. Afraid fire and brimstone would rain from heaven, probably.
After watching the video, I have to wonder how much of the problem was simply that a woman is feeling good after getting rid of the abusive men in her life. I mean, sure, the artist doesn't exactly come off as a paragon of virtue (which might also be a problem) but she's also pretty much saying she's done with men who only chase her for selfish reasons. So far as I've ever been able to tell, the RCC honestly behaves as though male privilege is the only privilege that matters, and questioning that is the sure-fire way to get into trouble with them.
To some extent, I'd say that if the RCC wanted to preserve some sort of purity-culture standard, then yeah, this video probably wasn't the way to do that. Screaming about it after the fact sounds to me a lot like they wanted the money and can't admit it; some religious version of buyer's remorse. They've assigned blame to one of their priests and 'cleansed' their property because honestly, what else can they really do? Pursuing Miss Carpenter isn't going to get them anything, they had a contract and that contract was adhered to so far as we can tell. I'm going to guess the RCC has no other legal recourse on the matter, and has been told that by their own attorneys. Yeah, I'd say this is about the RCC trying to look good to its own lay members, which is probably pretty important considering the attendance drops in recent years.
Any gains the RCC might have made “in an effort to further strengthen the bonds between the young creative artists who make up a large part of this community and the parish,” by allowing the filming at the church are pretty much null now. May the RCC die on the vine due to a complete lack of younger members as a direct result of attitudes expressed by their own leadership: It cannot happen fast enough.
It is far past time already. Religion belongs to the Dark Ages, when natural phenomena were the stuff of nightmares for people who did not yet understand the world around them.
Oh noes! They had to play pretend to wash away the naughty feelings left in the church. Boo hoo.
It’s not like Catholic Churches aren’t the sites of plenty of murders throughout the history of the RCC. And don’t even get me started on what might be perverse dancing to them, where do you think all the molesting is going on. How many restoration masses were performed to wash the church of the hundreds of children’s attacks by priests? When were all the restoration masses performed when they murdered heretics across the globe? Does it matter that the murders were moved outside for the whole town to see? I wouldn’t think so if it was spurred on by the church’s dogma and behest.
Do they really think that a few magic words spoken over their atrocities affects anything? Of course they do, too bad they’re delusional.
Not only was the video more entertaining than thousands of years of Catholic masses, but it was far more moral than anything that has ever come from the church.
Before we jump on the church for being angry, we should see if their anger was justified. I have my list of everything that should make me angry.
1. Woman? Check.
1a. Woman talking? Check.
2. Gay stuff? There are some pastels colors... so check.
3. Black stuff? There are black people in the back ground,... so half a check.
4. Foreign stuff? Well there was no Spanish or other foreign language, but one of the dancers in the background looked a bit Hispanic, so that is a quarter check. Plus, he was dancing, so that is a bonus check to the gay stuff.
So that is 5.75 checks. The catholic church is right. I am sooooooo pissed. I haven't been this pissed since a black lady wearing a pride pin told me in spanish that she voted.
A black pride spanish lady voting can be dismissed as an anomalous lost cause. It's when the straight 'American' black lady standing next to the white 'American' gay lady standing next to the white spanish-speaking 'American' lady ALL tell them they voted, that they start to do the math and get nervous.
And to make matters worse, she was singing about dumping abusive men instead of humbly submitting to them and praying to Jeebus for forgiveness for not being enough to make them happy! Can't get much more un-Christian than a disobedient loose woman. And that 𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴- you can see her 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 through it! How scandalous!
Why do I get the feeling that those responsible for the church were the video was shot were less concerned about the content of the video than they were the MONEY they would get for making their facilities available to Ms. Carpenter and her video crew? And of course, after the fact, after the video has been shot and the feces have hit the fan, NOW they want to get all bent out of shape.
There's a phrase that's been doing the rounds lately: "Due Diligence." To the gang at Our Lady of Mount Carmel-Annunciation, I have a message: you DIDN'T do yours, the deed is already done, and all you have left is egg on your face.
The monsignor was probably a fan from back when she was a Disney child star (in what? I'd never heard of her). Went all fanboi on her. And creepy old man.
𝘎𝘪𝘳𝘭 𝘔𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥, the spinoff of 𝘉𝘰𝘺 𝘔𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥. She played the best friend of Cory and Topanga's daughter. The only main character from BMW that didn't make at least a cameo was Maitland Ward; I wonder if that had something to do with her doing porn? 🤔
If someone finds this video is provocative or edgy, they have lead a very sheltered life, and I pray to a god above and a devil below, that for the sake of their soul and mind, they do not discover the existence of the internet.
OT- Don't want to send your kid to school? Don't want to even teach them anything yourself? Don't want them to learn 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭? Just buy 'em a diploma! I'm sure it'll be 𝘧𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘯𝘦...
Every time you think the homeschooling community has hit rock bottom, they bust out the jackhammers and dynamite to find new ways to undermine their own children's futures.
When I briefly lived in Seattle many years ago I handled school reservations at the Pacific Science Center. It was the first time I’d heard of homeschooling and was a bit weirded out by the concept. Several of the “school” groups were creepy, and some seemed fairly normal. I may be wrong about this but the creepiness factor has stayed with me.
More Trump bullshit. "When the mandates started it didn't feel like a cooperation anymore" They were trying to save your child's fucking life, idjit.
And what does the pandemic have to do with increased bullying? The problem with bullying is that our culture *likes* a bully and rewards ze for being one.
Thrice-damn this parent's rights bullshit. The children have rights. Including to a useful education.
That's not to say there aren't problems with public schools. The woman with the three dyslexic daughters is probably right that they wouldn't get the extra attention they need in a public school. But there are after-school programs, and if we put a little fucking effort into education, there could be more for more students.
And the news that California, that bastion of liberal thinking, has fallen for this crap is really disappointing and disheartening.
Well, if we weren’t diverting all kinds of money to charter, Montessori, private and religious schools, then we’d have plenty to provide services for the challenging learners.
Child star, you almost have to be. You don't stay in one place long enough to go to a regular school and your hours are such that even online schools become problematic, but AIUI qualified teachers are hired for one on one instruction, not a parent who barely finished high school or who went to college but has forgotten nearly everything but their specialty.
Ron Howard was tutored at the Desilu Studios very early in his life but he also attended Robert Louis Stevenson Elementary School, David Starr Jordan Middle School and John Burroughs High when he wasn't working. He even attended USC.
Jodie Foster is amazingly talented. She could read by the time she was 3. So talented she even attended a French-language boarding school called Lycee Francais de Los Angeles and would eventually graduate magna cum laude from Yale.
Not too shabby for a couple of child actors. I hear they turned out fine. 🙂
Her fluency allowed her to act in French films ("Moi, fleur bleue," for one). And in her English-language ones, she dubs herself in French for the French market.
You beat me to it! I just posted a different URL above the thread to make people aware of this fake loonyversity. Apparently I didn't have to. You've already did.
For me, that chant goes back to childhood. It was used by local kid show god J.P. Patches whenever he opened the Secret Room (which also required a magic saying).
Well, if anyone has the money for it, it be the Catholic Church. Probably have to send it to a special facility in Vatican City. And of course you'd never get it back.
With 130 comments up , I'm sure someone said this already but the treatment of the people who allowed this video stands in direct contrast with the treatment of people who abused children. Still – probably bears repeating.
I hate this shit with the passion of a 1000 burning suns. I’m not blaming a fellow librarian whose hands are tied, but I really dislike the insinuation that everyone worked as a community. No, they didn’t. It was a fucking ultimatum: nice library, would be a shame if something happened to it.
Good for her. I've been saying for years (and years) to turn churches into music venues. The acoustics are often brilliant. Who hasn't sung in a church? Right? I did. I was beaten over the hand (8 years old) and neck if my cursive writing wasn't perfect. I even got tied up by a frustrated nun when I was (ADHD) 9.
But the music kept me coming back. That booming organ and those hymns are a balm. So scoot to the religious hatred and hello music. We LGBTQs are all for community with young and old. Grandparents down to wee ones. Put a drag queen on the pulpit and get us laughing. We'll fill the place.
Some terrific "studio" recordings were done in churches. Their tendency toward a high echoic environment and long decay times can make for some impressive sound.
Which would beat the snot out of some tired bishop, droning on his Sunday homily! 😝
The Catholic church never stops giving people, especially young people, reasons to put the church behind them. The church is at least a century behind where the majority of Americans are on almost every issue. It is an institution consumed by magical thinking that goes back centuries. With each passing year they cede ground they will never recover, and the world is a little better for it.
It'll take them a little under a hundred years to finally enter the 20th century. And then another 200 years after that to enter the 21st century.
What a tempest in a teapot. White Wedding (Billy Idol) and Let There Be Rock (AC/DC) were both filmed in churches. But ironically, Like a Prayer was not.
No doubt God will respond to this sacrilege by, uh, permitting RCC priests to continue to molest their parishoners. It's all your fault, Rock n' Roll!
She called herself Madonna and had already sang songs about losing virginity, being a whore, and a pregnant teenager out of wedlock. They weren't about to let her in a church. Afraid fire and brimstone would rain from heaven, probably.
Why? They already have lightning rods installed to protect from the lightning smites.
Well, Billy Idol and AC/DC are men. Madonna is a mere woman. You know how a patriarchal religion feels about THEM.
Actually, it was her mother who called her that.
Madonna Louise Ciccone, of Bay City, Michigan!
We are good kindling or fertiliser ?
After watching the video, I have to wonder how much of the problem was simply that a woman is feeling good after getting rid of the abusive men in her life. I mean, sure, the artist doesn't exactly come off as a paragon of virtue (which might also be a problem) but she's also pretty much saying she's done with men who only chase her for selfish reasons. So far as I've ever been able to tell, the RCC honestly behaves as though male privilege is the only privilege that matters, and questioning that is the sure-fire way to get into trouble with them.
To some extent, I'd say that if the RCC wanted to preserve some sort of purity-culture standard, then yeah, this video probably wasn't the way to do that. Screaming about it after the fact sounds to me a lot like they wanted the money and can't admit it; some religious version of buyer's remorse. They've assigned blame to one of their priests and 'cleansed' their property because honestly, what else can they really do? Pursuing Miss Carpenter isn't going to get them anything, they had a contract and that contract was adhered to so far as we can tell. I'm going to guess the RCC has no other legal recourse on the matter, and has been told that by their own attorneys. Yeah, I'd say this is about the RCC trying to look good to its own lay members, which is probably pretty important considering the attendance drops in recent years.
Any gains the RCC might have made “in an effort to further strengthen the bonds between the young creative artists who make up a large part of this community and the parish,” by allowing the filming at the church are pretty much null now. May the RCC die on the vine due to a complete lack of younger members as a direct result of attitudes expressed by their own leadership: It cannot happen fast enough.
For all we know most or all the parishioners didn't care about this video.
More than likely a lot of them care very much.
They were in their bunks.
"It cannot happen fast enough."
It is far past time already. Religion belongs to the Dark Ages, when natural phenomena were the stuff of nightmares for people who did not yet understand the world around them.
Oh noes! They had to play pretend to wash away the naughty feelings left in the church. Boo hoo.
It’s not like Catholic Churches aren’t the sites of plenty of murders throughout the history of the RCC. And don’t even get me started on what might be perverse dancing to them, where do you think all the molesting is going on. How many restoration masses were performed to wash the church of the hundreds of children’s attacks by priests? When were all the restoration masses performed when they murdered heretics across the globe? Does it matter that the murders were moved outside for the whole town to see? I wouldn’t think so if it was spurred on by the church’s dogma and behest.
Do they really think that a few magic words spoken over their atrocities affects anything? Of course they do, too bad they’re delusional.
Not only was the video more entertaining than thousands of years of Catholic masses, but it was far more moral than anything that has ever come from the church.
Before we jump on the church for being angry, we should see if their anger was justified. I have my list of everything that should make me angry.
1. Woman? Check.
1a. Woman talking? Check.
2. Gay stuff? There are some pastels colors... so check.
3. Black stuff? There are black people in the back ground,... so half a check.
4. Foreign stuff? Well there was no Spanish or other foreign language, but one of the dancers in the background looked a bit Hispanic, so that is a quarter check. Plus, he was dancing, so that is a bonus check to the gay stuff.
So that is 5.75 checks. The catholic church is right. I am sooooooo pissed. I haven't been this pissed since a black lady wearing a pride pin told me in spanish that she voted.
She was wearing a black dress. That should fill out the check for black.
A black pride spanish lady voting can be dismissed as an anomalous lost cause. It's when the straight 'American' black lady standing next to the white 'American' gay lady standing next to the white spanish-speaking 'American' lady ALL tell them they voted, that they start to do the math and get nervous.
That kinda math requires algebra. That is far too advanced and far too Muslim for them.
And to make matters worse, she was singing about dumping abusive men instead of humbly submitting to them and praying to Jeebus for forgiveness for not being enough to make them happy! Can't get much more un-Christian than a disobedient loose woman. And that 𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴- you can see her 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 through it! How scandalous!
And don't forget those sinful sinful ANKLES!
Why do I get the feeling that those responsible for the church were the video was shot were less concerned about the content of the video than they were the MONEY they would get for making their facilities available to Ms. Carpenter and her video crew? And of course, after the fact, after the video has been shot and the feces have hit the fan, NOW they want to get all bent out of shape.
There's a phrase that's been doing the rounds lately: "Due Diligence." To the gang at Our Lady of Mount Carmel-Annunciation, I have a message: you DIDN'T do yours, the deed is already done, and all you have left is egg on your face.
PA-THE-TIC.
The monsignor was probably a fan from back when she was a Disney child star (in what? I'd never heard of her). Went all fanboi on her. And creepy old man.
She was in "Horns" with Daniel Radcliffe (the movie was based on the novel by Stephen King's son Joe Hill) as well as "The Hate U Give."
I saw Horns, but didn't know her. Great movie.
𝘎𝘪𝘳𝘭 𝘔𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥, the spinoff of 𝘉𝘰𝘺 𝘔𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥. She played the best friend of Cory and Topanga's daughter. The only main character from BMW that didn't make at least a cameo was Maitland Ward; I wonder if that had something to do with her doing porn? 🤔
And just for the hell of it.
https://youtu.be/RhxF9Qg5mOU
Meanwhile the church moves paedos around to shield them from justice for their victims.
It's in their charter.
If someone finds this video is provocative or edgy, they have lead a very sheltered life, and I pray to a god above and a devil below, that for the sake of their soul and mind, they do not discover the existence of the internet.
OT- Don't want to send your kid to school? Don't want to even teach them anything yourself? Don't want them to learn 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭? Just buy 'em a diploma! I'm sure it'll be 𝘧𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘯𝘦...
https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/missing-students-unapproved-schools/index.html
Every time you think the homeschooling community has hit rock bottom, they bust out the jackhammers and dynamite to find new ways to undermine their own children's futures.
That's legal??? Surely someone in the law enforcement community is going to be onto this ... surely.
In Louisiana? Not likely.
*NoGodz avoids making Airplane! reference*
In which case I will avoid making banjo noises.
*Give NOGOOD a plate of brownies with homemade whipped cream*
Since NoGodz won't do it: "Don't call me Shirley"
And FINALLY I figure out what the hell you're going on about here. :)
It took you this long to watch the movie?
There's a movie?
The "don't call me Shirley" quote?
*Slap cdbunch with DM's old laptop*
What? you watched it less than a week ago.
😝
When I briefly lived in Seattle many years ago I handled school reservations at the Pacific Science Center. It was the first time I’d heard of homeschooling and was a bit weirded out by the concept. Several of the “school” groups were creepy, and some seemed fairly normal. I may be wrong about this but the creepiness factor has stayed with me.
You weren't wrong. Trust your gut on this.
More Trump bullshit. "When the mandates started it didn't feel like a cooperation anymore" They were trying to save your child's fucking life, idjit.
And what does the pandemic have to do with increased bullying? The problem with bullying is that our culture *likes* a bully and rewards ze for being one.
Thrice-damn this parent's rights bullshit. The children have rights. Including to a useful education.
That's not to say there aren't problems with public schools. The woman with the three dyslexic daughters is probably right that they wouldn't get the extra attention they need in a public school. But there are after-school programs, and if we put a little fucking effort into education, there could be more for more students.
And the news that California, that bastion of liberal thinking, has fallen for this crap is really disappointing and disheartening.
Well, if we weren’t diverting all kinds of money to charter, Montessori, private and religious schools, then we’d have plenty to provide services for the challenging learners.
The Repukes would just find other venues to divert funds away from public education, which they hate with a passion.
Surprisingly, Sabrina Carpenter was homeschooled.
Child star, you almost have to be. You don't stay in one place long enough to go to a regular school and your hours are such that even online schools become problematic, but AIUI qualified teachers are hired for one on one instruction, not a parent who barely finished high school or who went to college but has forgotten nearly everything but their specialty.
Ron Howard was tutored at the Desilu Studios very early in his life but he also attended Robert Louis Stevenson Elementary School, David Starr Jordan Middle School and John Burroughs High when he wasn't working. He even attended USC.
Jodie Foster is amazingly talented. She could read by the time she was 3. So talented she even attended a French-language boarding school called Lycee Francais de Los Angeles and would eventually graduate magna cum laude from Yale.
Not too shabby for a couple of child actors. I hear they turned out fine. 🙂
I heard her speak French once. She is impressive like she was born and raised here. The only one I remember who was as good was Peter Ustinov.
Her fluency allowed her to act in French films ("Moi, fleur bleue," for one). And in her English-language ones, she dubs herself in French for the French market.
Peter Ustinov did too. He could speak English with a Belgian accent.
You beat me to it! I just posted a different URL above the thread to make people aware of this fake loonyversity. Apparently I didn't have to. You've already did.
"Bishop Robert J. Brennan celebrated a Mass of Reparation, which the diocese said “restored the sanctity of this church and repaired the harm.”"
Whew! Dodged a bullet there.
Well we haven't heard of an Army of the dead rising up to attack the Diocese, so I guess they got the words right. (Damn the luck)
Well, the 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘴 still aren't catching fire as they cross the threshold, so they must've left out a word or two 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.
Who writes a spell to set *zirself* on fire?
I mean, if the spell is supposed to purify and re-sanctify the place, it's doing a pretty piss-poor job if the creepos are still there afterward.
Given what they get up to on church grounds their idea of purity and sanctity is very different from ours, or decent human beings.
Klaatu Barada Nikto
Booga-booga!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Ooga Chakka! Ooga Ooga Ooga Chaka!
Now I'm picturing Chris Pratt, but I don't have a ball gag handy.
For me, that chant goes back to childhood. It was used by local kid show god J.P. Patches whenever he opened the Secret Room (which also required a magic saying).
Another use for closed churches. But the Catholic Church would have gotten bent out of shape even if it had been a fake set. Remember 'Like a Prayer'?
A magic spell isn't going to fix anything. You have to take the alter out and burn it like they did with the one where the priest filmed a threesome.
But how do you keep the molten gold and silver from mixing?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_parting
Well, if anyone has the money for it, it be the Catholic Church. Probably have to send it to a special facility in Vatican City. And of course you'd never get it back.
With 130 comments up , I'm sure someone said this already but the treatment of the people who allowed this video stands in direct contrast with the treatment of people who abused children. Still – probably bears repeating.
Always bears repeating. We need to keep shoving their abuses of children, women and LGBTQs in their faces as much as they push their Jesus on us.
Yes.
This is some Catholic bullshit more worthy of comment.
https://kansasreflector.com/2023/11/16/im-not-real-proud-st-marys-public-library-gets-new-lease-by-removing-lgbtq-books-for-kids/
I hate this shit with the passion of a 1000 burning suns. I’m not blaming a fellow librarian whose hands are tied, but I really dislike the insinuation that everyone worked as a community. No, they didn’t. It was a fucking ultimatum: nice library, would be a shame if something happened to it.
Good for her. I've been saying for years (and years) to turn churches into music venues. The acoustics are often brilliant. Who hasn't sung in a church? Right? I did. I was beaten over the hand (8 years old) and neck if my cursive writing wasn't perfect. I even got tied up by a frustrated nun when I was (ADHD) 9.
But the music kept me coming back. That booming organ and those hymns are a balm. So scoot to the religious hatred and hello music. We LGBTQs are all for community with young and old. Grandparents down to wee ones. Put a drag queen on the pulpit and get us laughing. We'll fill the place.
Dane
Some terrific "studio" recordings were done in churches. Their tendency toward a high echoic environment and long decay times can make for some impressive sound.
Which would beat the snot out of some tired bishop, droning on his Sunday homily! 😝
ANYTHING would beat out some tired bishop droning on his Sunday homily.