The Catholic church never stops giving people, especially young people, reasons to put the church behind them. The church is at least a century behind where the majority of Americans are on almost every issue. It is an institution consumed by magical thinking that goes back centuries. With each passing year they cede ground they will never recover, and the world is a little better for it.
What a tempest in a teapot. White Wedding (Billy Idol) and Let There Be Rock (AC/DC) were both filmed in churches. But ironically, Like a Prayer was not.
No doubt God will respond to this sacrilege by, uh, permitting RCC priests to continue to molest their parishoners. It's all your fault, Rock n' Roll!
After watching the video, I have to wonder how much of the problem was simply that a woman is feeling good after getting rid of the abusive men in her life. I mean, sure, the artist doesn't exactly come off as a paragon of virtue (which might also be a problem) but she's also pretty much saying she's done with men who only chase her for selfish reasons. So far as I've ever been able to tell, the RCC honestly behaves as though male privilege is the only privilege that matters, and questioning that is the sure-fire way to get into trouble with them.
To some extent, I'd say that if the RCC wanted to preserve some sort of purity-culture standard, then yeah, this video probably wasn't the way to do that. Screaming about it after the fact sounds to me a lot like they wanted the money and can't admit it; some religious version of buyer's remorse. They've assigned blame to one of their priests and 'cleansed' their property because honestly, what else can they really do? Pursuing Miss Carpenter isn't going to get them anything, they had a contract and that contract was adhered to so far as we can tell. I'm going to guess the RCC has no other legal recourse on the matter, and has been told that by their own attorneys. Yeah, I'd say this is about the RCC trying to look good to its own lay members, which is probably pretty important considering the attendance drops in recent years.
Any gains the RCC might have made “in an effort to further strengthen the bonds between the young creative artists who make up a large part of this community and the parish,” by allowing the filming at the church are pretty much null now. May the RCC die on the vine due to a complete lack of younger members as a direct result of attitudes expressed by their own leadership: It cannot happen fast enough.
Oh noes! They had to play pretend to wash away the naughty feelings left in the church. Boo hoo.
It’s not like Catholic Churches aren’t the sites of plenty of murders throughout the history of the RCC. And don’t even get me started on what might be perverse dancing to them, where do you think all the molesting is going on. How many restoration masses were performed to wash the church of the hundreds of children’s attacks by priests? When were all the restoration masses performed when they murdered heretics across the globe? Does it matter that the murders were moved outside for the whole town to see? I wouldn’t think so if it was spurred on by the church’s dogma and behest.
Do they really think that a few magic words spoken over their atrocities affects anything? Of course they do, too bad they’re delusional.
Not only was the video more entertaining than thousands of years of Catholic masses, but it was far more moral than anything that has ever come from the church.
Before we jump on the church for being angry, we should see if their anger was justified. I have my list of everything that should make me angry.
1. Woman? Check.
1a. Woman talking? Check.
2. Gay stuff? There are some pastels colors... so check.
3. Black stuff? There are black people in the back ground,... so half a check.
4. Foreign stuff? Well there was no Spanish or other foreign language, but one of the dancers in the background looked a bit Hispanic, so that is a quarter check. Plus, he was dancing, so that is a bonus check to the gay stuff.
So that is 5.75 checks. The catholic church is right. I am sooooooo pissed. I haven't been this pissed since a black lady wearing a pride pin told me in spanish that she voted.
And to make matters worse, she was singing about dumping abusive men instead of humbly submitting to them and praying to Jeebus for forgiveness for not being enough to make them happy! Can't get much more un-Christian than a disobedient loose woman. And that 𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴- you can see her 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 through it! How scandalous!
Why do I get the feeling that those responsible for the church were the video was shot were less concerned about the content of the video than they were the MONEY they would get for making their facilities available to Ms. Carpenter and her video crew? And of course, after the fact, after the video has been shot and the feces have hit the fan, NOW they want to get all bent out of shape.
There's a phrase that's been doing the rounds lately: "Due Diligence." To the gang at Our Lady of Mount Carmel-Annunciation, I have a message: you DIDN'T do yours, the deed is already done, and all you have left is egg on your face.
If someone finds this video is provocative or edgy, they have lead a very sheltered life, and I pray to a god above and a devil below, that for the sake of their soul and mind, they do not discover the existence of the internet.
OT- Don't want to send your kid to school? Don't want to even teach them anything yourself? Don't want them to learn 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭? Just buy 'em a diploma! I'm sure it'll be 𝘧𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘯𝘦...
Every time you think the homeschooling community has hit rock bottom, they bust out the jackhammers and dynamite to find new ways to undermine their own children's futures.
With 130 comments up , I'm sure someone said this already but the treatment of the people who allowed this video stands in direct contrast with the treatment of people who abused children. Still – probably bears repeating.
Good for her. I've been saying for years (and years) to turn churches into music venues. The acoustics are often brilliant. Who hasn't sung in a church? Right? I did. I was beaten over the hand (8 years old) and neck if my cursive writing wasn't perfect. I even got tied up by a frustrated nun when I was (ADHD) 9.
But the music kept me coming back. That booming organ and those hymns are a balm. So scoot to the religious hatred and hello music. We LGBTQs are all for community with young and old. Grandparents down to wee ones. Put a drag queen on the pulpit and get us laughing. We'll fill the place.
The Catholic church never stops giving people, especially young people, reasons to put the church behind them. The church is at least a century behind where the majority of Americans are on almost every issue. It is an institution consumed by magical thinking that goes back centuries. With each passing year they cede ground they will never recover, and the world is a little better for it.
What a tempest in a teapot. White Wedding (Billy Idol) and Let There Be Rock (AC/DC) were both filmed in churches. But ironically, Like a Prayer was not.
No doubt God will respond to this sacrilege by, uh, permitting RCC priests to continue to molest their parishoners. It's all your fault, Rock n' Roll!
After watching the video, I have to wonder how much of the problem was simply that a woman is feeling good after getting rid of the abusive men in her life. I mean, sure, the artist doesn't exactly come off as a paragon of virtue (which might also be a problem) but she's also pretty much saying she's done with men who only chase her for selfish reasons. So far as I've ever been able to tell, the RCC honestly behaves as though male privilege is the only privilege that matters, and questioning that is the sure-fire way to get into trouble with them.
To some extent, I'd say that if the RCC wanted to preserve some sort of purity-culture standard, then yeah, this video probably wasn't the way to do that. Screaming about it after the fact sounds to me a lot like they wanted the money and can't admit it; some religious version of buyer's remorse. They've assigned blame to one of their priests and 'cleansed' their property because honestly, what else can they really do? Pursuing Miss Carpenter isn't going to get them anything, they had a contract and that contract was adhered to so far as we can tell. I'm going to guess the RCC has no other legal recourse on the matter, and has been told that by their own attorneys. Yeah, I'd say this is about the RCC trying to look good to its own lay members, which is probably pretty important considering the attendance drops in recent years.
Any gains the RCC might have made “in an effort to further strengthen the bonds between the young creative artists who make up a large part of this community and the parish,” by allowing the filming at the church are pretty much null now. May the RCC die on the vine due to a complete lack of younger members as a direct result of attitudes expressed by their own leadership: It cannot happen fast enough.
Oh noes! They had to play pretend to wash away the naughty feelings left in the church. Boo hoo.
It’s not like Catholic Churches aren’t the sites of plenty of murders throughout the history of the RCC. And don’t even get me started on what might be perverse dancing to them, where do you think all the molesting is going on. How many restoration masses were performed to wash the church of the hundreds of children’s attacks by priests? When were all the restoration masses performed when they murdered heretics across the globe? Does it matter that the murders were moved outside for the whole town to see? I wouldn’t think so if it was spurred on by the church’s dogma and behest.
Do they really think that a few magic words spoken over their atrocities affects anything? Of course they do, too bad they’re delusional.
Not only was the video more entertaining than thousands of years of Catholic masses, but it was far more moral than anything that has ever come from the church.
Before we jump on the church for being angry, we should see if their anger was justified. I have my list of everything that should make me angry.
1. Woman? Check.
1a. Woman talking? Check.
2. Gay stuff? There are some pastels colors... so check.
3. Black stuff? There are black people in the back ground,... so half a check.
4. Foreign stuff? Well there was no Spanish or other foreign language, but one of the dancers in the background looked a bit Hispanic, so that is a quarter check. Plus, he was dancing, so that is a bonus check to the gay stuff.
So that is 5.75 checks. The catholic church is right. I am sooooooo pissed. I haven't been this pissed since a black lady wearing a pride pin told me in spanish that she voted.
And to make matters worse, she was singing about dumping abusive men instead of humbly submitting to them and praying to Jeebus for forgiveness for not being enough to make them happy! Can't get much more un-Christian than a disobedient loose woman. And that 𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴- you can see her 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 through it! How scandalous!
Why do I get the feeling that those responsible for the church were the video was shot were less concerned about the content of the video than they were the MONEY they would get for making their facilities available to Ms. Carpenter and her video crew? And of course, after the fact, after the video has been shot and the feces have hit the fan, NOW they want to get all bent out of shape.
There's a phrase that's been doing the rounds lately: "Due Diligence." To the gang at Our Lady of Mount Carmel-Annunciation, I have a message: you DIDN'T do yours, the deed is already done, and all you have left is egg on your face.
PA-THE-TIC.
Meanwhile the church moves paedos around to shield them from justice for their victims.
If someone finds this video is provocative or edgy, they have lead a very sheltered life, and I pray to a god above and a devil below, that for the sake of their soul and mind, they do not discover the existence of the internet.
OT- Don't want to send your kid to school? Don't want to even teach them anything yourself? Don't want them to learn 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭? Just buy 'em a diploma! I'm sure it'll be 𝘧𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘯𝘦...
https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/missing-students-unapproved-schools/index.html
Every time you think the homeschooling community has hit rock bottom, they bust out the jackhammers and dynamite to find new ways to undermine their own children's futures.
This is some Catholic bullshit more worthy of comment.
https://kansasreflector.com/2023/11/16/im-not-real-proud-st-marys-public-library-gets-new-lease-by-removing-lgbtq-books-for-kids/
"Bishop Robert J. Brennan celebrated a Mass of Reparation, which the diocese said “restored the sanctity of this church and repaired the harm.”"
Whew! Dodged a bullet there.
Another use for closed churches. But the Catholic Church would have gotten bent out of shape even if it had been a fake set. Remember 'Like a Prayer'?
A magic spell isn't going to fix anything. You have to take the alter out and burn it like they did with the one where the priest filmed a threesome.
With 130 comments up , I'm sure someone said this already but the treatment of the people who allowed this video stands in direct contrast with the treatment of people who abused children. Still – probably bears repeating.
Good for her. I've been saying for years (and years) to turn churches into music venues. The acoustics are often brilliant. Who hasn't sung in a church? Right? I did. I was beaten over the hand (8 years old) and neck if my cursive writing wasn't perfect. I even got tied up by a frustrated nun when I was (ADHD) 9.
But the music kept me coming back. That booming organ and those hymns are a balm. So scoot to the religious hatred and hello music. We LGBTQs are all for community with young and old. Grandparents down to wee ones. Put a drag queen on the pulpit and get us laughing. We'll fill the place.
Dane