Fundamentalist parents are inclined to believe they have all the rights when it comes to their children's education. They don't. At some point children have rights too, and one of those rights is to receive an education that prepares them to be productive citizens. The only objective of some of these home school folk is to turn out fundamentalist Christians who never question what they've been taught. As a society, it is overwhelmingly in our self-interest to make sure children are educated, regardless of religion and politics.
It seems only logical that a total lack of accountability and oversight would create fertile ground for abuse and grifting, but the powers that be down in Louisiana either don't care, or else consider that a feature rather than a bug.
[The point is: This is what can happen when homeschooling goes unregulated.]
Not just homeschooling.
I went through K-12 of Christian schools.
My history textbooks were Lost Cause lies. My science textbooks were lies about anything related to Evolution or a universe older than 6,000 years-old. My social studies were not based on anything remotely science based, but based on an American Fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.
I scored well in college on Math and English, but science and history were struggles.
This is more proof that the right wingnuts don't want a conservative government, they want anarchy. The people running for office want the jobs, yes, but they preach no government at all. The worst of them are fascist, authoritarians who want to insert government into every facet of our lives but they preach a hands off approach that their base swallows hook, line and sinker. They are okay with the government teaching those 'other' people lessons in 'patriotism' but hands off the good, hard-working, Christian Americans.
Tearing down our public school system is only a small part of the march toward anarchy. 'Homeschooling' allows them to keep the majority of their kids indoctrinated and fearing government intervention. While the voters and the parents of these kids rail against the government, the politicians rub their hands together in anticipation of a population that is more controllable because they have no idea how the world really works.
It’s amazing how the people who manipulate and defraud the evangelical community, are the same Christian charlatan’s who claim to live a stellar life by surrendering to the teachings of Jesus.
Fake Christian healthcare insurance that essentially covers nothing; except “hope and prayers.” Prosperity ministers who tell their gullible flock to give them all their money, and god will return it tenfold. The Mormon Church who has amassed over $100 billion tax free, and has given little back to the community it serves.
And of course, the Scientologists that run a multi-level marketing scam. The grifts are endless, as are the plethora of faux religious guru’s who stake their prey like vultures honing in for the kill.
Imagine what the world would be like should these charlatans and incompetents ever hold elective office? Oh wait, can anyone say Mike Johnson, Mike Pence and the rest of religious zealots who have invaded the halls of our democratic institutions?
God help us all; no pun intended. Okay, pun intended!....:)
Homeschooling is setup to be fractally degrading. Intelligent well educated parents can teach their children to also be intelligent and well educated. But religious parents who went through better schools teach their children only what they want them to know, and they can be lazy about it, especially when there’s no oversight. Those children are a little (or a lot in many cases) less educated than their parents. They go on to homeschool their kids, who are sheltered from more knowledge than their parents. They homeschool and shelter their kids further, and so on and so on until one generation is completely illiterate and incompetent. It doesn’t even take that many generations to reach that point. Some families do it in one.
The school choice/voucher program/parental rights advocates have this goal in mind. Only the elite chosen few get an actual education, the ones who can pay premiums for it, and the rest of the population are mindless drones to die on the job making the corporation profits. What the advocates don’t understand is that our economy isn’t built on mining and manufacturing anymore, and we need to have a basic education to do most of what the corporations need to thrive. It’s all a concerted effort to keep the masses compliant.
Anyway, if folks want to homeschool they ought to be able to, however there’s always a need for oversight and standards. I find this and the last story pretty disturbing and telling when it comes to the values and morality of the religious organizations involved in these schemes. How can the religious folks lecture us on the morality of abortion when they actively undermine the lives of born children, from homeschooling grifting, to foster home grifting, to withholding medical care for religious reasons, it’s all so much more harmful than women having bodily autonomy and choosing when and if to have children. The morality of religion is suspect at best, in these circles it’s downright evil.
The wingnut evangelicals truly want to return to the 16th century. If your kids are serfs on the family sharecropper's farm, they don't need to know anything but how to dig potatoes and feed the hogs. And if they catch some (preventable) disease - oh well, it's gawd's will. Some of this generational personality disorder is due to willful ignorance on the part of parents and the state and some of it is lathered on by the grifters who need these uneducated young people to cadge off of.
In other words, those supporting this bogus diploma mill are more interested in the bucks they'll get from scamming colleges into believing that they have qualified homeschooled applicants than they are in the kids, themselves. This also makes me wonder what those kids have been doing (if anything) to educate themselves in the meantime. Not only do we have irresponsible adults producing those diplomas, we also have equally irresponsible parents who fail to see the potential consequences of their lack of action on their children's behalf.
What this amounts to is a particularly pernicious form of child abuse, not sexual, obviously, but just as damaging in its own way.
My daughter Madison got A honor roll in her private Christian schools until this year I got her into an amazing Magnet school & its absolutely kicking her butt! We work so hard and homework is long and hard and I met with her teachers only to learn she is completely behind the rest. My honor roll A girl is now barely passing but it is getting better and her teachers are the best. Never again. Never again.
Do the people running these schemes not understand this is an America Last strategy? Not giving our children a quality education is actually making us slide behind the rest of the developed world and will heavily impact our workforce moving forward.
Homeschooling is a form of child abuse, except in exceptional circumstances. Regardless of the quality of teaching a child receives there is no substitute for the social interaction that attending a public school provides. Homeschooling should be permitted only in very particular circumstances and should be regulated and monitored.
I read the article about sibley morrison' "school" I am angry for theses teens and young adults (seemingly mostly girls/women) who are conned* of a better life. Louisiana must love his abysmal rates of 49th in higher education.
*My sister was taken out of school at 14 to be married to a man chosen by her family. When we met, she tried to get her florist diploma, it was hard and she nearly didn't get it because nobody told her as she had no diploma at all, she would have history/geography, French and maths questions**. She learned about it about 10 days before her exams, we spent theses days cramming as much information as we could in her head. She finally got it and could be proud of herself.
** If I had go to her school I would not had to pass this part of the exam since it was for a CAP and I have a higher ranked diploma.
I worry about homeschooling. I worry that the kids that get their education at home won't be able to participate in society in any meaningful way until they fix their education. I worry that the larger numbers of home schooled people we're seeing these days will drag the economy down for many years to come. I worry, because I know the truth is that by allowing these parents to home school their kids, we're failing those kids.
Parents do not need more rights when it comes to their kids. They have plenty; and there's no valid reason to need any more. This bleating about 'parental rights' we hear so often has, at least in my head, become whining about wanting to control every aspect of a child's life to the point of manipulation and abuse. It's also become something of a code for 'let's defund the public schools system, one student at a time if we must!' Neither one of those is helpful to society, indeed, they are intended to break society down and create long term misery.
Christians seem to want to both run US society as a whole while not being part of it, and the public school system seems to be where that shows the most. I see no reason to give these folks what they want and many, many reasons to deny them; I have no interest in participating in the mind games and manipulation being espoused. Refusing oversight seems to be Christian code for 'we don't want to get caught', which to me seems like a good reason to insist on oversight, particularly when it comes to kids. Heck, yesterday's article proves my point; yet another Christian group in hot water because they're taking government money and not caring for the traumatized kids given to them. Why any parent would trust a Christian group with their kids after everything we've seen coming out about them I will never understand.
Good luck to those home schooled kids. They're going to need it. Badly.
Homeschooling seems more of a fraud than a legitimate way to educate children. A coworker from Colorado was talking about homeschooling his kids. Apparently, Colorado requires registration with an organization that checks up on children's education progress. The one he joined (christian, of course), doesn't do the checks, but provides the state with "proof" that they have checked up on the children. I'm thinking: fraud? Aren't there laws against lying to government officials. We did have a president get impeached for lying to gov't officials.
What commandment was that about not lying? Oh, wait, it's actually not bearing false witness. Just don't lie on the stand, everywhere else is fine.
Fundamentalist parents are inclined to believe they have all the rights when it comes to their children's education. They don't. At some point children have rights too, and one of those rights is to receive an education that prepares them to be productive citizens. The only objective of some of these home school folk is to turn out fundamentalist Christians who never question what they've been taught. As a society, it is overwhelmingly in our self-interest to make sure children are educated, regardless of religion and politics.
AP dropped another article on the failings of these private "schools" just this morning: https://apnews.com/article/private-school-scandal-homeschool-louisiana-8166fa0376c32c297bbff4910fc49d1c
It seems only logical that a total lack of accountability and oversight would create fertile ground for abuse and grifting, but the powers that be down in Louisiana either don't care, or else consider that a feature rather than a bug.
What an absolute shitshow...
[The point is: This is what can happen when homeschooling goes unregulated.]
Not just homeschooling.
I went through K-12 of Christian schools.
My history textbooks were Lost Cause lies. My science textbooks were lies about anything related to Evolution or a universe older than 6,000 years-old. My social studies were not based on anything remotely science based, but based on an American Fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.
I scored well in college on Math and English, but science and history were struggles.
This is more proof that the right wingnuts don't want a conservative government, they want anarchy. The people running for office want the jobs, yes, but they preach no government at all. The worst of them are fascist, authoritarians who want to insert government into every facet of our lives but they preach a hands off approach that their base swallows hook, line and sinker. They are okay with the government teaching those 'other' people lessons in 'patriotism' but hands off the good, hard-working, Christian Americans.
Tearing down our public school system is only a small part of the march toward anarchy. 'Homeschooling' allows them to keep the majority of their kids indoctrinated and fearing government intervention. While the voters and the parents of these kids rail against the government, the politicians rub their hands together in anticipation of a population that is more controllable because they have no idea how the world really works.
It’s amazing how the people who manipulate and defraud the evangelical community, are the same Christian charlatan’s who claim to live a stellar life by surrendering to the teachings of Jesus.
Fake Christian healthcare insurance that essentially covers nothing; except “hope and prayers.” Prosperity ministers who tell their gullible flock to give them all their money, and god will return it tenfold. The Mormon Church who has amassed over $100 billion tax free, and has given little back to the community it serves.
And of course, the Scientologists that run a multi-level marketing scam. The grifts are endless, as are the plethora of faux religious guru’s who stake their prey like vultures honing in for the kill.
Imagine what the world would be like should these charlatans and incompetents ever hold elective office? Oh wait, can anyone say Mike Johnson, Mike Pence and the rest of religious zealots who have invaded the halls of our democratic institutions?
God help us all; no pun intended. Okay, pun intended!....:)
Homeschooling is setup to be fractally degrading. Intelligent well educated parents can teach their children to also be intelligent and well educated. But religious parents who went through better schools teach their children only what they want them to know, and they can be lazy about it, especially when there’s no oversight. Those children are a little (or a lot in many cases) less educated than their parents. They go on to homeschool their kids, who are sheltered from more knowledge than their parents. They homeschool and shelter their kids further, and so on and so on until one generation is completely illiterate and incompetent. It doesn’t even take that many generations to reach that point. Some families do it in one.
The school choice/voucher program/parental rights advocates have this goal in mind. Only the elite chosen few get an actual education, the ones who can pay premiums for it, and the rest of the population are mindless drones to die on the job making the corporation profits. What the advocates don’t understand is that our economy isn’t built on mining and manufacturing anymore, and we need to have a basic education to do most of what the corporations need to thrive. It’s all a concerted effort to keep the masses compliant.
Anyway, if folks want to homeschool they ought to be able to, however there’s always a need for oversight and standards. I find this and the last story pretty disturbing and telling when it comes to the values and morality of the religious organizations involved in these schemes. How can the religious folks lecture us on the morality of abortion when they actively undermine the lives of born children, from homeschooling grifting, to foster home grifting, to withholding medical care for religious reasons, it’s all so much more harmful than women having bodily autonomy and choosing when and if to have children. The morality of religion is suspect at best, in these circles it’s downright evil.
The wingnut evangelicals truly want to return to the 16th century. If your kids are serfs on the family sharecropper's farm, they don't need to know anything but how to dig potatoes and feed the hogs. And if they catch some (preventable) disease - oh well, it's gawd's will. Some of this generational personality disorder is due to willful ignorance on the part of parents and the state and some of it is lathered on by the grifters who need these uneducated young people to cadge off of.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑢𝑛𝑚𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒 𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒—𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑝𝑒𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑎ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚, 𝑎𝑐𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑚𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑖𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑒.
In other words, those supporting this bogus diploma mill are more interested in the bucks they'll get from scamming colleges into believing that they have qualified homeschooled applicants than they are in the kids, themselves. This also makes me wonder what those kids have been doing (if anything) to educate themselves in the meantime. Not only do we have irresponsible adults producing those diplomas, we also have equally irresponsible parents who fail to see the potential consequences of their lack of action on their children's behalf.
What this amounts to is a particularly pernicious form of child abuse, not sexual, obviously, but just as damaging in its own way.
My daughter Madison got A honor roll in her private Christian schools until this year I got her into an amazing Magnet school & its absolutely kicking her butt! We work so hard and homework is long and hard and I met with her teachers only to learn she is completely behind the rest. My honor roll A girl is now barely passing but it is getting better and her teachers are the best. Never again. Never again.
What the actually FUCK is a FRESHMAN COURSE in : Immigration Policy? I'm guessing it goes like this
Lesson A) BROWN PEOPLE BAD
B) SEE LESSON 1
Do the people running these schemes not understand this is an America Last strategy? Not giving our children a quality education is actually making us slide behind the rest of the developed world and will heavily impact our workforce moving forward.
Homeschooling is a form of child abuse, except in exceptional circumstances. Regardless of the quality of teaching a child receives there is no substitute for the social interaction that attending a public school provides. Homeschooling should be permitted only in very particular circumstances and should be regulated and monitored.
I read the article about sibley morrison' "school" I am angry for theses teens and young adults (seemingly mostly girls/women) who are conned* of a better life. Louisiana must love his abysmal rates of 49th in higher education.
*My sister was taken out of school at 14 to be married to a man chosen by her family. When we met, she tried to get her florist diploma, it was hard and she nearly didn't get it because nobody told her as she had no diploma at all, she would have history/geography, French and maths questions**. She learned about it about 10 days before her exams, we spent theses days cramming as much information as we could in her head. She finally got it and could be proud of herself.
** If I had go to her school I would not had to pass this part of the exam since it was for a CAP and I have a higher ranked diploma.
At the very least the home schoolers are exposed to the metric system, i.e. 9mm and 10mm plus the fundamentals of gun control, i.e. using both hands.
I worry about homeschooling. I worry that the kids that get their education at home won't be able to participate in society in any meaningful way until they fix their education. I worry that the larger numbers of home schooled people we're seeing these days will drag the economy down for many years to come. I worry, because I know the truth is that by allowing these parents to home school their kids, we're failing those kids.
Parents do not need more rights when it comes to their kids. They have plenty; and there's no valid reason to need any more. This bleating about 'parental rights' we hear so often has, at least in my head, become whining about wanting to control every aspect of a child's life to the point of manipulation and abuse. It's also become something of a code for 'let's defund the public schools system, one student at a time if we must!' Neither one of those is helpful to society, indeed, they are intended to break society down and create long term misery.
Christians seem to want to both run US society as a whole while not being part of it, and the public school system seems to be where that shows the most. I see no reason to give these folks what they want and many, many reasons to deny them; I have no interest in participating in the mind games and manipulation being espoused. Refusing oversight seems to be Christian code for 'we don't want to get caught', which to me seems like a good reason to insist on oversight, particularly when it comes to kids. Heck, yesterday's article proves my point; yet another Christian group in hot water because they're taking government money and not caring for the traumatized kids given to them. Why any parent would trust a Christian group with their kids after everything we've seen coming out about them I will never understand.
Good luck to those home schooled kids. They're going to need it. Badly.
Homeschooling seems more of a fraud than a legitimate way to educate children. A coworker from Colorado was talking about homeschooling his kids. Apparently, Colorado requires registration with an organization that checks up on children's education progress. The one he joined (christian, of course), doesn't do the checks, but provides the state with "proof" that they have checked up on the children. I'm thinking: fraud? Aren't there laws against lying to government officials. We did have a president get impeached for lying to gov't officials.
What commandment was that about not lying? Oh, wait, it's actually not bearing false witness. Just don't lie on the stand, everywhere else is fine.