She evidently has more concern for the tiny cluster of nonviable cells growing in the wrong place than she does her seven living children. In my view having seven children in this day and age isn't responsible behavior either. The world does not suffer from a lack of people. It doesn't say if she's a part of the obscene 'Quiver Full' movement which seeks to breed an army of Christian zealots to take over the world, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Christians tend to attribute all that's good with the world to their God and religion, while ignoring the countless horrors perpetrated by religious people in the name of their religion. All the world's evil is the fault of everyone who doesn't think they way they do.
Right on point oraxxx. I feel sorry for the kids she has now. And talk about the horrors perpetrated by religion in history & even now most recently the Turpins in California who used the Bible (specifically Deutoronomy) to justify torturing their 13 children, Ruby Frankhe, a devout Mormon also torturing her children & most recently Lori Vallow & Charles Daybell who killed and tried to burn her children all having to do with some warped Mormonism. But they want to believe that they are the righteous ones. I cannot stand them at all & I have Pentecostals in my family (another state though) and everyday I see their hypocrisy more & more.
My mom was a devout Catholic. I saw the hypocrisy at age 8. I was forced to go to Sunday mass for 18 years. I just quoted a Bible passage last night in proof that the words attributed to Jesus ARE NOT THE SAME ONES DONALD Nazi et evil practice.
I live as Jesus described because my mom and dad modeled that life.
On the other hand, I can’t find it in me to dredge up a single fuck about her wellbeing through this. Especially since she has given even LESS consideration to others.
And looking forward to reports that she went to a secret abortion, and that HER abortion is “moral”.
Just returned from getting my Flu and Covid vaccinations. Science FTW! RFK Jr in charge of anything more scientific than a severed whale head or road-kill is a very scary thought.
She has now, baby was in the NICU but is now healthy from what I can see from their instagram posts. I just can’t imagine how many people are going to follow in her steps and inevitably will die. She’s also a strong advocate for all women to have to go through with an ectopic pregnancy which is quite scary.
She is a fanatic. I have read the bible and I don't see it forbidding abortion. There is one verse - in Numbers 5 11-31 there the test for an unfaithful wife is to force her to take an abortifacient . At the time they were dangerous drugs, but they were known. I don't recall that the new testament deals with abortion at all. She would be a good candidate for a Darwin Award if she hadn't already popped out 7 kids whom she is dutifully brainwashing.
I think the abortion issue is the hobby horse they saddled up, because for all their talk about Jesus and heaven, there is nothing the preachers want more than power and control on this earthly plain. They especially want to control women, and how better than controlling their reproductive rights.
I have come to the conclusion that the abortion issue is the greatest of all red herrings, something that that the conservative-so-called-Christian-right-wing-fanatics, from the Reaganites and Newt Gingrichers to the Tea Partyers to the MAGAMorons can dwell on to guarantee 1-issue voters. They think they are pro-life and on moral high ground. They are just stupid and duped, voting against freedom of choice, the foundation of U.S. democracy. Sigh.
The “Pro Life” movement was born out of the segregationists. When they lost all their attempts to continue to segregate schools, they latched on to abortion as the next topic. The Bible actually says that if a man causes the death of a fetus, they pay a fine. If they cause the death of a woman, they should be put to death (Exodus 21). And also talks about not being alive until the first breath. They are only focused on birth, not the actual life of children and ignore that studies showed that every state that legalized abortion before it was a national law had a lower crime rate 20 years later because wanted children live better lives than unwanted children born into poverty and neglect.
Respectfully, IT’S A BOOK, just like any other book, it’s not law or scientifically proven evidence of anything. Stop quoting the book as if it empirical fact. Who cares what John or Matthew said?!? I feel so bad for people who live their lives by a book, just be kind, be respectful…it’s not difficult.
I quote the book to point out that they can back up any claims they want to make by cherrypicking a line here and a line there. They claim it is their reference - I use it against them.
Yes. A book. Viewed as holy and “the word of god”. I don’t begrudge people religion. I DO OBJECT when they use it as a cudgel and a shield. Religion is just as toxic as patriarchy. Men created religion. Men created Systems of Control to build CULTures. The Truth are the words themselves.
Bravo. Perfect post!! And as if she's in a race to beat Michelle Duggar for most children......and we know all their dark drama now thanks to the documentary.
I'll bet the house she's a christain nationalist.......her pastor told women "your uterus was given to you by god, go make the most of why you were born".
The Duggar story creeps me out on multiple levels. Especially daddy Duggar. A super controlling religious nut case who wants to go right on controlling his children after they're adults.
Their pedophile Don in prison right now creeps me out. He's evil. And his dumbass wife who stayed married to him. I get she lives a bubble but come on......how much worse does her husband need to be......where is her line in the sand? Her fuckin self respect.
I wondered that as well, then I realized -- hey, it's the DUGGARS, who raise their daughters to be uneducated baby machines, believing that this is their sole raison d'etre, and any suffering they endure is ordained by God, or some such rubbish.
Totally on point. The fact that she’s willing to sacrifice her health and life for her ideology is absolutely ridiculous. It’s kind of like those people during Covid, who were just so hell-bent on getting injected regardless of the consequences. And you’re right about her not thinking about her seven children, like how selfish can someone be. I’m also a big fan of women have so many children because they perpetuate the cycle of women being trapped by pregnancy and the inability to have the choice to support themselves
More sad, like one boy used as a TV ad, at age 8 or 10, has already had 200 operations, with more to come. I think that is so mean to do to a child if you knew when the baby inter uterine would be subject to this type of life.
The brainwashing of these people just amazes me, when science is screaming fire and showing them the flames, they just sit there praying for a rain shower. I will never get how people who believe in religion, which is a fictional story made up by men, when proven scientific evidence is right there?!? Baffles me…
I was just thinking about this subject on the way to work. Pretty much every ectopic pregnancy, by the time the situation is recognized the development of both the placenta and the zef have been compromised beyond recovery. That zef is not viable whether it still has a heartbeat or not. The doctor has already noticed the developmental deficiencies in the fetus here, but she writes it off as perfectly normal, it is not. And it will only get worse as the pregnancy progresses. Of course she could survive but it is less likely. And I don’t believe her when she says she has seen many stories of both the mother and baby surviving an entire pregnancy like this. If I had time, I’d check it out for myself, but since she wasn’t willing to prove it herself, I don’t believe her. (There may be a handful, I’ll admit that much only because of the law of probability not that she’s actually found any.)
I was also thinking about the stories of women who have in the past and are now going through it again with the new draconian murder women laws where the fetus is unviable, dead, except for some faint heartbeats detected, and the woman is actively bleeding out and suffering from sepsis and other health catastrophe who are turned away until the fetus is “officially dead”. What is the thinking here? You aren’t trying to save the fetus, you don’t even have any intervention that you could do to save the fetus, it is going to die no matter what you do, it’s not going to suddenly get better in the parking lot all by itself. So why are you not doing everything you can to save the actual person in front of you who has interventions available that can save them? I hear that the forced birther, women murderers, don’t want to actively kill the baby, leave it to godswill, but that isn’t what’s happening n these situations. The fetus is dead, there’s no coming back from its situation, it just has some residual electrical impulses in tiny cells (that offend haven’t even developed into the actual organ yet) it won’t survive, aborting at this point is not killing anything. But you are actively killing the person carrying the fetus. Your lack of action is action when you are able to help, to intervene. Her blood is on your hands. If you claim dying for a doomed pregnancy is godswill, then when you’re diagnosed with cancer or other deadly but treatable diseases, we could withhold care from you claiming godswill just as gladly. No other medical crisis is ever ignored because of godswill and none should be, including doomed pregnancies with a detectable fetal heartbeat. I don’t see the rationale of forcing women to bleed out or die from sepsis to save the fetus that’s never going to make it. Aside from rejoicing in another woman’s death, there’s no there, there.
You don't see a rationale, because there is not one. Just fucking patriarchal religious fanatics forcing their newly formed (in my lifetime) so called "beliefs"
Also someone who has easy access to the level of medical care that gives her a small chance of surviving. She wants to impose her religious beliefs on everyone, while expecting everyone to get the same outcome as a blue-eyed blonde rich white woman.
I expect that, if she dies, the oldest daughter will, after taking over mommy duties, run like hell and go no contact the minute she's 18.
Yup, that's what happened to me, but in a slightly less extreme form. My mom had ten pregnancies, including one stillbirth and two miscarriages. Of us seven living kids, five were either disabled or had severe chronic illness. Every single one of those pregnancies were what today would be called high-risk. Back in the 50s/early 60s, they were on the "this is a bad idea but we can't exactly give you a diagnosis" list. I remember mom's OB-GYN coming to our place when I was five and having what was for him a knock-down/drag-out fight with mom and dad about more pregnancies. Mom went on to have three more kids and another miscarriage, so I guess he lost. I had to take care of baby #7 pretty much by my barely-10-year-old self, and I'd been aware that if mom died, it'd be me in charge. (Well I was, anyway, but *more* in charge.) So, by age 17, I'd rejected the two life choices I'd been given (Catholic Martyr Mother of Many, or nun) and ran away. When I was 24, I'd stabilized enough financially to urge the three youngest to come live with me. They ended up running away on their own. I knew back when I was five that mom and dad (whose income was barely a third of the median income at the time) were irresponsible for overbreeding. Anybody who today does what my parents did back in the day is worse. Having more information doesn't necessarily translate into better decision-making, especially when one is severely brainwashed. (Just as an example, my mom said several times that she wanted to have more kids than her maternal grandmother--who had a total of 14, but only two survived to have children of their own. Wishing to be just like someone who had been born almost a century before is just delusional.)
Thank you. In retrospect, I wish my mom's OB-GYN had been able to have more influence on her decision-making in regards to her multiple pregnancies. He was coming very much from an outsider perspective: he was a prominent doctor from Vienna (Austria) who had come to the US as a Jewish refugee in the late-1920s/early 1930s, along with about a dozen other educated and accomplished members of his extended family. His older daughter was my mom's best friend. He offered many alternatives to more pregnancies. (I remember him saying to my dad that dad should drive to Tijuana for a weekend and "get the snip." That sounded very odd in his lilting Viennese accent. 5-year-old me didn't understand the reference. 20-year-old me finally did.) But do you think my parents listened?
Absolutely this. She has the money and access to healthcare, and is acting like everyone should watch her and consider doing what she is doing, to be “godly”. Some American women live miles away from an OBGYN, and do not have the option of bouncing from place to place, finding a doctor to agree with them, and then footing a huge bill at the end, even if the baby (or the mother) makes it or not. She can do what she wants, but the obvious advantages she has should not be ignored.
She has a far greater problem than her doomed pregnancy: an acute, and very possibly terminal, case of Cranio-Rectal Inversion.
I feel for their far-too-large brood. No one should have to lose a parent so young, especially not because their brain's been washed right out their ears by religious delusion.
As someone who did, in fact, hemorrhage all over the bathroom floor (at work, no less), and spent 10 hours in hospital while they stabilized me and then performed surgery to save my life, I can state with authority that this woman is more likely to die than not if she chooses to not trust medical professionals. They hadn't realized I had an ectopic pregnancy, because my ultrasound was scheduled for two weeks later. Unfortunately, my fallopian tube couldn't wait that long. I nearly died. She is doing grave disservice to the children she already has by insisting (and monetizing!) that she will not put her own life first - which is something every single mother should do if they actually expect to be able to care for their children. You can't take care of them when you're exhausted or sick all the time and you certainly can't do it if you're dead.
Oh, I was very, very careful after that. With only one functional tube, getting pregnant was harder and more likely to result in another ectopic pregnancy, so I got ultrasounds as soon as they had a positive pregnancy test. My first child was carefully planned, and I had to have a C-section, during which the doctors at the stellar hospital in which I gave birth took a little time to rebuild the shattered tube. That resulted in my surprise second son, and my doctor asked if I was absolutely sure I wanted to go through with it as "You are more likely to die in pregnancy than a medieval peasant giving birth in the fields." While I didn't correct him on medieval birthing rituals (about which I do know something), I did tell him we were sure and then I was monitored for the entire time. My son was fine. I was fine. And afterwards, I was done having babies. You can only roll the dice so many times before it comes up snake eyes.
You got very lucky. With PCOS, you can have false negative pregnancy tests with an ectopic pregnancy. Ask me how I learned that fact….!! They removed over a liter of blood from my abdomen. I nearly suffocated from the pressure on my lungs, and my heart nearly stopped. The hospital had me give my last will and testament 3 times to 3 different people. The hospital staff and I went into surgery knowing I had very little chance of surviving. I still have complications 20 years later from it. Such a simple desire to have a child. Turned into a horrible situation. Today I’d die while waiting for a hospital to decide the legal ramifications of trying to save me. If they couldn’t provide legal proof I’d die without intervention. Because you only have minutes… once the baby ruptures the blood supply and you bleed out. I lived… because everything lined up. 47 minutes, from rupture to waking up still alive. I was told to never get pregnant again, and if I had a single worry I was pregnant. To get an ultrasound by a specialist. I know Texas will let me die. So my spouse and I don’t have sex. It’s hard to enjoy that when your life, or your partner’s is on the line.
Yes, it is…but the impact her choice has extends far beyond her own survival or that of her embryo…she has a lot of living children already. The article is clear headed about the choice she is making. She, I fear, is not.
I would argue that those 7 kids will be considerably better off without that whack-job in their lives. At least some of them will remember the abusive, cult that took their mother and become productive and positive members of society.
We don’t get to judge her for her choice. It. Is. Her. Choice. We don’t get to judge her for her choice, or her religion, or for her level of intelligence.
Sure, we can. I do judge her. That. Is. My. Choice. I certainly won’t try to interfere with her life, even though she is clearly willing to intervene in mine, But, I do feel very free to have an opinion on her religion and her common sense, or lack of same.
I just watched this TikTok last night of a man giving a speech about what his wife went through when she was miscarrying, but the fetus wasn't expelled, still had a heartbeat and the hospital sent her home. She almost died from blood loss.
The bigger issue is that she is an “influencer.” Don’t I hate that word, but that’s another thing. The narrative she is pushing is dangerous for many women who might be in similar situations, where the doctor says that termination of the pregnancy is necessary. So rather then listening to the doctors who have given up years of their life for their calling, she listens to an influencer, who probably just barely graduated high school. Part of the problem is that people see all termination of pregnancy as abortion when it really isn’t. The procedures of the two are totally different and should be referred to differently.
On another note, it’s her choice? What choice is she giving the children she leaves behind? What of the one (probably eldest female) who will be left to care for her siblings? What about her choice? That college she had her heart set on, gone. Her husband will just replace her, if he cared about her, he would have done something before putting her through so many pregnancies. Ugh, I just hate hearing about this. I suffer from too many opinions, I think.
It is literally the definition of the word. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy whether by natural means, the medical term for which is "spontaneous abortion" what you probably call a miscarriage. Or by chemical means, or by surgical mechanical means (a D & C or D & E. ) there is no difference in terminology all are written in the medical record as abortion. Motive or viability has nothing to do with it.
The terminology is “spontaneous abortion,” commonly called miscarriage, and “elective abortion.
Also, there is no such thing as a “late-term abortion”. That’s a contradiction in terms, because after 20 weeks, a pregnancy loss is a stillbirth or a preterm delivery.
Should she take their opinion and the impact of her decisions on them into account? Yes. Do they have a right to restrict her choice or her bodily autonomy? No. If her choice destroys her family through her death or its dissolution, that weight and responsibility is hers alone. Martyrs love that shit anyway.
No, I get it. I talked to a guy on Facebook who jumped out of an airplane without a parachute and survived. I can't find anyone on Facebook who jumped out of an airplane and didn't survive so...
I jumped out of a helicopter with no parachute. Please ignore that it was on the ground at the time. All the rest of the times I jumped out I was using a parachute.
It works with this situation as well, the pregnancies she’s holding on to were likely not the same risk as hers. I’ll bet they’re just women who have had c-sections and continued to have more children, not women who have actually had the ectopic pregnancy and the baby survives along with the mother.
Nah. If she's pregnant, and if it's ectopic, she will obtain an abortion in a state where she's unknown, make the provider sign an NDA, and fake a miscarriage. Or she will birth a healthy baby, and we will know the baby was never ectopic and she lied. They will use this a a "success story" to try to prevent other women from accessing life saving care. It's what these people do.
This was my first thought. If someone is sick enough to lie and be so public about it, causing the death of many women who believed her, she will get what's coming to her.
Here is a woman who is so determined to follow some twisted interpretation of what is an already twisted holy book that she is willing to risk her life with an untoward pregnancy. She's been given the facts, but oh, no, I want to believe that fraction of a fraction of people who have survived such pregnancies!
I still want followup on this, though I can't help but suspect that eventually, that followup will consist of an obituary.
It's to be expected. They've been fed these lies since they were children, with the further imperative to believe or be sent to everlasting punishment. Even worse, they've been taught not to trust their own judgment but rely on their "leaders" (such as they are).
I'm not much for pity, but in cases like these... 🤷♂️
Phew! Until I saw her story I was unsure about where to turn for my medical care guidance. I can now go ahead and click “join group” on Facebook and find a the resources I need. Thank goodness!
Sure it's her choice but is she making that choice to get more recognition as an influencer and gain more followers or for people to look at her and tell her how brave she is? She is being incredibly selfish by not considering the final outcome of her choice could leave all her children orphans.
I have to wonder how many ectopic pregnancies result in miscarriage. Not a doctor here at all, but my impression is that fallopian ectopic pregnancies don't auto-abort very often, if at all, which is a considerable part of what makes them so dangerous. As to Ms. Gooding's case, I simply do not know, though it is clear that there are those with medical degrees and considerable experience who have a firmer grasp of the situation than either I or Ms. Gooding do.
What floors me more than anything else is that she has data that tells her that her life is in considerable and likely mortal danger ... and SHE UTTERLY IGNORES IT. That is genuinely scary.
This is just a small part of the harm religious superstition inflicts upon mankind. I just finished this one, and the former minister touches on this . HEAVILY.
Speaking of God: We Don't Know $hit: A Former Minister Reflects on God and Religion Paperback – October 5, 2020
I hope this woman lives in a blue state where, when the complications occur, she can get treatment as soon as possible. After already being pregnant 13 times, she's risking her life to prove a point, which is about as stupid as you can be.
OTOH, that doctor should have his license taken away. His treatment of her probably goaded her into trying to keep the baby. As a woman, I loathe male OB/gyns because of the their "I know better than you" attitude.
Imagine if he had gone in and said, "I know you want to keep this baby, but it risks your life to continue the pregnancy. You have other children on this earth that need you. Please talk with your husband and if you need a few days to think about it, that's fine."
Thankful my own gyn actually suggested tubal ligation for me after I’d suffered from various side effects of various birth control methods. He knew me well enough to understand that I never wanted children.
I loathe most of the male doctors I've encountered. Only one ever took me seriously. The rest tried to tell me that whatever pain I was feeling wasn't as bad as I thought it was, or that it was "all in your head." All I needed to do was learn how to relax! Yeah, bub. Sometimes I hurt so bad I can't even sleep. And to think all I needed to do was haul out my yoga mat and meditate the pain away.
Why is anyone taking her report about what the doctor said to her at face value? Obviously she's going to skew this to make herself out to be the martyr. I don't trust people who display a clear disregard for experts, which this tribe of people has proven is their way of thinking. Pretty sure she thinks she can just "do her own research" out of this dilemma.
Right??? I was going through a divorce which hadn’t been finalized yet and went to get birth control pills. I was still covered by my ex’s insurance. This woman doctor REFUSED to prescribe them because I was still technically married to a man who’d had a vasectomy. I went from there to PP, where I was GIVEN a year’s supply of pills.
I like the fact that I agree with both Sko and Kristen here! It does seem that the doctor’s behavior was dismissive . . . But as Kristen points out, this “tradwife”has uncritically accepted the biblical idea that the husband is the head of the woman. I assume the doctor already realized who he was dealing with and was appealing to the one he thought might respond. The woman is really complaining about the doctor because it’s part of her “culture” to complain about experts, professionals, scientists, etc., especially when they are trying to save your life (think Fauci).
But that OB’s attitude that he and husband know better than the female pregnant patient is her own christofascist attitude. If she’s really a trad wife then she should own it and accept that she has no say over her own body.
I didn't read that at all. It sounded to me like the doc tried and failed get through to her, then the nurse tried and failed to get through to her, so then the doc tried to get the husband to help change her mind.
That's not sexism, that's desperation. If a patient has decided to do something incredibly foolhardy and risky, I would *expect* many doctors to reach out to their spouse or emergency point of contact. To try to get THAT person to change the patient's mind. Yes, in this case going to the husband about a pregnancy issue has terrible traditionally sexist optics. But he is also her most trusted partner and the person she's most likely to listen to. So who else would the doctor turn to?
Either way, it is the author’s stance that she is a “trad wife” so she should accept her lack of bodily autonomy and submit to the respective expertise and opinion of her male physician and her husband. If any of the story is true.
True about OB/GYNs. When I wanted to tie my tubes at age 39 (childless by choice), the doctor did everything he could to prevent it. Multiple return visits to demand it again and again. Explaining I was childless by choice and I wasn’t about to start busting out babies in my 40s. His reply was “well, what if TOM CRUISE (his emphasis not mine) told you he wanted you to have his babies?”
p.s. I can’t stand Tom Cruise anyway, but seriously, is that who men think women find irresistible. Now, if he had said Jason Momoa… 🤣
She's blinded by ideology indoctrinated into her as a child and will likely cut her life short as a result.
She will see this as a beautiful thing: Martyrdom for motherhood or a miracle that proves (yes, proves) that God is real and not that doctors and nurses worked hard to save her life.
She evidently has more concern for the tiny cluster of nonviable cells growing in the wrong place than she does her seven living children. In my view having seven children in this day and age isn't responsible behavior either. The world does not suffer from a lack of people. It doesn't say if she's a part of the obscene 'Quiver Full' movement which seeks to breed an army of Christian zealots to take over the world, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Christians tend to attribute all that's good with the world to their God and religion, while ignoring the countless horrors perpetrated by religious people in the name of their religion. All the world's evil is the fault of everyone who doesn't think they way they do.
Right on point oraxxx. I feel sorry for the kids she has now. And talk about the horrors perpetrated by religion in history & even now most recently the Turpins in California who used the Bible (specifically Deutoronomy) to justify torturing their 13 children, Ruby Frankhe, a devout Mormon also torturing her children & most recently Lori Vallow & Charles Daybell who killed and tried to burn her children all having to do with some warped Mormonism. But they want to believe that they are the righteous ones. I cannot stand them at all & I have Pentecostals in my family (another state though) and everyday I see their hypocrisy more & more.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion.
Most wars in human history are based on religious differences.
"Imagine no religions, nothing to kill or die for . . . " -- John Lennon
"and no religion, too. Imagine all the people living for today."
The majority of wars in history were based on religious beliefs, so if we remove the religion, no wars, no finger pointing, wow just imagine 🩷
My mom was a devout Catholic. I saw the hypocrisy at age 8. I was forced to go to Sunday mass for 18 years. I just quoted a Bible passage last night in proof that the words attributed to Jesus ARE NOT THE SAME ONES DONALD Nazi et evil practice.
I live as Jesus described because my mom and dad modeled that life.
On the other hand, I can’t find it in me to dredge up a single fuck about her wellbeing through this. Especially since she has given even LESS consideration to others.
And looking forward to reports that she went to a secret abortion, and that HER abortion is “moral”.
During Covid my Compassion Meter for morons who choose to opt out of science and facts hit the level of 'No Fucks Given'.
That hasn't changed.
Wait until RFK, Jr. is in charge of health agencies. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Just returned from getting my Flu and Covid vaccinations. Science FTW! RFK Jr in charge of anything more scientific than a severed whale head or road-kill is a very scary thought.
Didn't you know? Whale heads and roadkill are THE latest and greatest woo cures of all time. No need for Obamacare!
But wait he is being hired on merit…😠
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And have you heard this song yet?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0
Outstanding!
Mine too.
"God has a plan for my life, so he needed me to live."
Oh. Me neither. Has she given birth yet? 🙄
She has now, baby was in the NICU but is now healthy from what I can see from their instagram posts. I just can’t imagine how many people are going to follow in her steps and inevitably will die. She’s also a strong advocate for all women to have to go through with an ectopic pregnancy which is quite scary.
She is a fanatic. I have read the bible and I don't see it forbidding abortion. There is one verse - in Numbers 5 11-31 there the test for an unfaithful wife is to force her to take an abortifacient . At the time they were dangerous drugs, but they were known. I don't recall that the new testament deals with abortion at all. She would be a good candidate for a Darwin Award if she hadn't already popped out 7 kids whom she is dutifully brainwashing.
I think the abortion issue is the hobby horse they saddled up, because for all their talk about Jesus and heaven, there is nothing the preachers want more than power and control on this earthly plain. They especially want to control women, and how better than controlling their reproductive rights.
I have come to the conclusion that the abortion issue is the greatest of all red herrings, something that that the conservative-so-called-Christian-right-wing-fanatics, from the Reaganites and Newt Gingrichers to the Tea Partyers to the MAGAMorons can dwell on to guarantee 1-issue voters. They think they are pro-life and on moral high ground. They are just stupid and duped, voting against freedom of choice, the foundation of U.S. democracy. Sigh.
👆👆👆👆🎯racism was no longer acceptable at least publicly.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/
The “Pro Life” movement was born out of the segregationists. When they lost all their attempts to continue to segregate schools, they latched on to abortion as the next topic. The Bible actually says that if a man causes the death of a fetus, they pay a fine. If they cause the death of a woman, they should be put to death (Exodus 21). And also talks about not being alive until the first breath. They are only focused on birth, not the actual life of children and ignore that studies showed that every state that legalized abortion before it was a national law had a lower crime rate 20 years later because wanted children live better lives than unwanted children born into poverty and neglect.
It is all about forced birth as a way to subjugate and control women. A lot of the patriarchal men are heterosexual, but actually hate women.
Respectfully, IT’S A BOOK, just like any other book, it’s not law or scientifically proven evidence of anything. Stop quoting the book as if it empirical fact. Who cares what John or Matthew said?!? I feel so bad for people who live their lives by a book, just be kind, be respectful…it’s not difficult.
I quote the book to point out that they can back up any claims they want to make by cherrypicking a line here and a line there. They claim it is their reference - I use it against them.
Yes. A book. Viewed as holy and “the word of god”. I don’t begrudge people religion. I DO OBJECT when they use it as a cudgel and a shield. Religion is just as toxic as patriarchy. Men created religion. Men created Systems of Control to build CULTures. The Truth are the words themselves.
Don’t forget Psalm 137:9.
Bravo. Perfect post!! And as if she's in a race to beat Michelle Duggar for most children......and we know all their dark drama now thanks to the documentary.
I'll bet the house she's a christain nationalist.......her pastor told women "your uterus was given to you by god, go make the most of why you were born".
The Duggar story creeps me out on multiple levels. Especially daddy Duggar. A super controlling religious nut case who wants to go right on controlling his children after they're adults.
Their pedophile Don in prison right now creeps me out. He's evil. And his dumbass wife who stayed married to him. I get she lives a bubble but come on......how much worse does her husband need to be......where is her line in the sand? Her fuckin self respect.
She has no life skills, they deliberately don't educate the girls so they can never escape the cult. These are not normal people.
I wondered that as well, then I realized -- hey, it's the DUGGARS, who raise their daughters to be uneducated baby machines, believing that this is their sole raison d'etre, and any suffering they endure is ordained by God, or some such rubbish.
Son. Not don
More of the world’s evil has been promulgated by religion than any other single cause.
Totally on point. The fact that she’s willing to sacrifice her health and life for her ideology is absolutely ridiculous. It’s kind of like those people during Covid, who were just so hell-bent on getting injected regardless of the consequences. And you’re right about her not thinking about her seven children, like how selfish can someone be. I’m also a big fan of women have so many children because they perpetuate the cycle of women being trapped by pregnancy and the inability to have the choice to support themselves
More sad, like one boy used as a TV ad, at age 8 or 10, has already had 200 operations, with more to come. I think that is so mean to do to a child if you knew when the baby inter uterine would be subject to this type of life.
The brainwashing of these people just amazes me, when science is screaming fire and showing them the flames, they just sit there praying for a rain shower. I will never get how people who believe in religion, which is a fictional story made up by men, when proven scientific evidence is right there?!? Baffles me…
Mainstream religion has always sought to control women: it’s run by men for men. If this woman is okay with that I have no sympathy.
I was just thinking about this subject on the way to work. Pretty much every ectopic pregnancy, by the time the situation is recognized the development of both the placenta and the zef have been compromised beyond recovery. That zef is not viable whether it still has a heartbeat or not. The doctor has already noticed the developmental deficiencies in the fetus here, but she writes it off as perfectly normal, it is not. And it will only get worse as the pregnancy progresses. Of course she could survive but it is less likely. And I don’t believe her when she says she has seen many stories of both the mother and baby surviving an entire pregnancy like this. If I had time, I’d check it out for myself, but since she wasn’t willing to prove it herself, I don’t believe her. (There may be a handful, I’ll admit that much only because of the law of probability not that she’s actually found any.)
I was also thinking about the stories of women who have in the past and are now going through it again with the new draconian murder women laws where the fetus is unviable, dead, except for some faint heartbeats detected, and the woman is actively bleeding out and suffering from sepsis and other health catastrophe who are turned away until the fetus is “officially dead”. What is the thinking here? You aren’t trying to save the fetus, you don’t even have any intervention that you could do to save the fetus, it is going to die no matter what you do, it’s not going to suddenly get better in the parking lot all by itself. So why are you not doing everything you can to save the actual person in front of you who has interventions available that can save them? I hear that the forced birther, women murderers, don’t want to actively kill the baby, leave it to godswill, but that isn’t what’s happening n these situations. The fetus is dead, there’s no coming back from its situation, it just has some residual electrical impulses in tiny cells (that offend haven’t even developed into the actual organ yet) it won’t survive, aborting at this point is not killing anything. But you are actively killing the person carrying the fetus. Your lack of action is action when you are able to help, to intervene. Her blood is on your hands. If you claim dying for a doomed pregnancy is godswill, then when you’re diagnosed with cancer or other deadly but treatable diseases, we could withhold care from you claiming godswill just as gladly. No other medical crisis is ever ignored because of godswill and none should be, including doomed pregnancies with a detectable fetal heartbeat. I don’t see the rationale of forcing women to bleed out or die from sepsis to save the fetus that’s never going to make it. Aside from rejoicing in another woman’s death, there’s no there, there.
You don't see a rationale, because there is not one. Just fucking patriarchal religious fanatics forcing their newly formed (in my lifetime) so called "beliefs"
Her quote is “I’m not killing my baby”
The tragic reality is that her baby is most likely to kill them both
But jesus will protect her for doing god's will. Never mind all those godly abortions after battles in her holey book.
𝐴𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑑𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑠ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑎 ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ-𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑘 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑛𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑎𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜’𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑛𝑎𝑛𝑡—𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑛𝑜 𝑒𝑥𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠.
Also someone who has easy access to the level of medical care that gives her a small chance of surviving. She wants to impose her religious beliefs on everyone, while expecting everyone to get the same outcome as a blue-eyed blonde rich white woman.
I expect that, if she dies, the oldest daughter will, after taking over mommy duties, run like hell and go no contact the minute she's 18.
Yup, that's what happened to me, but in a slightly less extreme form. My mom had ten pregnancies, including one stillbirth and two miscarriages. Of us seven living kids, five were either disabled or had severe chronic illness. Every single one of those pregnancies were what today would be called high-risk. Back in the 50s/early 60s, they were on the "this is a bad idea but we can't exactly give you a diagnosis" list. I remember mom's OB-GYN coming to our place when I was five and having what was for him a knock-down/drag-out fight with mom and dad about more pregnancies. Mom went on to have three more kids and another miscarriage, so I guess he lost. I had to take care of baby #7 pretty much by my barely-10-year-old self, and I'd been aware that if mom died, it'd be me in charge. (Well I was, anyway, but *more* in charge.) So, by age 17, I'd rejected the two life choices I'd been given (Catholic Martyr Mother of Many, or nun) and ran away. When I was 24, I'd stabilized enough financially to urge the three youngest to come live with me. They ended up running away on their own. I knew back when I was five that mom and dad (whose income was barely a third of the median income at the time) were irresponsible for overbreeding. Anybody who today does what my parents did back in the day is worse. Having more information doesn't necessarily translate into better decision-making, especially when one is severely brainwashed. (Just as an example, my mom said several times that she wanted to have more kids than her maternal grandmother--who had a total of 14, but only two survived to have children of their own. Wishing to be just like someone who had been born almost a century before is just delusional.)
Wow. That is an incredibly awful story. You were so smart and strong o save yourself from that sick environment and to help your siblings escape, you.
Thank you. In retrospect, I wish my mom's OB-GYN had been able to have more influence on her decision-making in regards to her multiple pregnancies. He was coming very much from an outsider perspective: he was a prominent doctor from Vienna (Austria) who had come to the US as a Jewish refugee in the late-1920s/early 1930s, along with about a dozen other educated and accomplished members of his extended family. His older daughter was my mom's best friend. He offered many alternatives to more pregnancies. (I remember him saying to my dad that dad should drive to Tijuana for a weekend and "get the snip." That sounded very odd in his lilting Viennese accent. 5-year-old me didn't understand the reference. 20-year-old me finally did.) But do you think my parents listened?
Absolutely this. She has the money and access to healthcare, and is acting like everyone should watch her and consider doing what she is doing, to be “godly”. Some American women live miles away from an OBGYN, and do not have the option of bouncing from place to place, finding a doctor to agree with them, and then footing a huge bill at the end, even if the baby (or the mother) makes it or not. She can do what she wants, but the obvious advantages she has should not be ignored.
If I had to guess, from what we heard about the pearls or the duggars, she already does.
She has a far greater problem than her doomed pregnancy: an acute, and very possibly terminal, case of Cranio-Rectal Inversion.
I feel for their far-too-large brood. No one should have to lose a parent so young, especially not because their brain's been washed right out their ears by religious delusion.
As someone who did, in fact, hemorrhage all over the bathroom floor (at work, no less), and spent 10 hours in hospital while they stabilized me and then performed surgery to save my life, I can state with authority that this woman is more likely to die than not if she chooses to not trust medical professionals. They hadn't realized I had an ectopic pregnancy, because my ultrasound was scheduled for two weeks later. Unfortunately, my fallopian tube couldn't wait that long. I nearly died. She is doing grave disservice to the children she already has by insisting (and monetizing!) that she will not put her own life first - which is something every single mother should do if they actually expect to be able to care for their children. You can't take care of them when you're exhausted or sick all the time and you certainly can't do it if you're dead.
Very VERY damned glad you came through that! I would think such an experience would scare a person out of 10 years growth.
Oh, I was very, very careful after that. With only one functional tube, getting pregnant was harder and more likely to result in another ectopic pregnancy, so I got ultrasounds as soon as they had a positive pregnancy test. My first child was carefully planned, and I had to have a C-section, during which the doctors at the stellar hospital in which I gave birth took a little time to rebuild the shattered tube. That resulted in my surprise second son, and my doctor asked if I was absolutely sure I wanted to go through with it as "You are more likely to die in pregnancy than a medieval peasant giving birth in the fields." While I didn't correct him on medieval birthing rituals (about which I do know something), I did tell him we were sure and then I was monitored for the entire time. My son was fine. I was fine. And afterwards, I was done having babies. You can only roll the dice so many times before it comes up snake eyes.
Now that's VERY far out! 👍
You got very lucky. With PCOS, you can have false negative pregnancy tests with an ectopic pregnancy. Ask me how I learned that fact….!! They removed over a liter of blood from my abdomen. I nearly suffocated from the pressure on my lungs, and my heart nearly stopped. The hospital had me give my last will and testament 3 times to 3 different people. The hospital staff and I went into surgery knowing I had very little chance of surviving. I still have complications 20 years later from it. Such a simple desire to have a child. Turned into a horrible situation. Today I’d die while waiting for a hospital to decide the legal ramifications of trying to save me. If they couldn’t provide legal proof I’d die without intervention. Because you only have minutes… once the baby ruptures the blood supply and you bleed out. I lived… because everything lined up. 47 minutes, from rupture to waking up still alive. I was told to never get pregnant again, and if I had a single worry I was pregnant. To get an ultrasound by a specialist. I know Texas will let me die. So my spouse and I don’t have sex. It’s hard to enjoy that when your life, or your partner’s is on the line.
I hope you can move to a Blue State and enjoy intimacy again.
I'm glad you made it!
Well she/they will have to live with the consequences! But hubby will just find another woman to please hiM and raise his children. Consequences!
It's her choice. That's what being "pro-choice" is about, even if we don't like the decision.
Yes, it is…but the impact her choice has extends far beyond her own survival or that of her embryo…she has a lot of living children already. The article is clear headed about the choice she is making. She, I fear, is not.
Some choices are wrong, stupid, selfish, unhealthy, etc. but bodily autonomy is a right.
Except she would deny bodily autonomy to all women.
Yes, that’s the problem. I couldn’t care less what she does to herself but she wants to mind my business. That is what needs to be stopped.
I would argue that those 7 kids will be considerably better off without that whack-job in their lives. At least some of them will remember the abusive, cult that took their mother and become productive and positive members of society.
Still her decision. Even if I disagree.
We don’t get to judge her for her choice. It. Is. Her. Choice. We don’t get to judge her for her choice, or her religion, or for her level of intelligence.
Sure, we can. I do judge her. That. Is. My. Choice. I certainly won’t try to interfere with her life, even though she is clearly willing to intervene in mine, But, I do feel very free to have an opinion on her religion and her common sense, or lack of same.
I just watched this TikTok last night of a man giving a speech about what his wife went through when she was miscarrying, but the fetus wasn't expelled, still had a heartbeat and the hospital sent her home. She almost died from blood loss.
https://www.tiktok.com/@abortioninamerica/video/7430531170351254814?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7408916045749274143
This should NEVER happen. I nearly cried watching that. These bans are monstrous.
They are working exactly as designed. The forced birthers keep blaming those trying to educate others to the actual risks.
The bigger issue is that she is an “influencer.” Don’t I hate that word, but that’s another thing. The narrative she is pushing is dangerous for many women who might be in similar situations, where the doctor says that termination of the pregnancy is necessary. So rather then listening to the doctors who have given up years of their life for their calling, she listens to an influencer, who probably just barely graduated high school. Part of the problem is that people see all termination of pregnancy as abortion when it really isn’t. The procedures of the two are totally different and should be referred to differently.
On another note, it’s her choice? What choice is she giving the children she leaves behind? What of the one (probably eldest female) who will be left to care for her siblings? What about her choice? That college she had her heart set on, gone. Her husband will just replace her, if he cared about her, he would have done something before putting her through so many pregnancies. Ugh, I just hate hearing about this. I suffer from too many opinions, I think.
She will be teaching those kids that they don't matter to her as much as strangers on the Internet.
Well, it's true.
It is literally the definition of the word. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy whether by natural means, the medical term for which is "spontaneous abortion" what you probably call a miscarriage. Or by chemical means, or by surgical mechanical means (a D & C or D & E. ) there is no difference in terminology all are written in the medical record as abortion. Motive or viability has nothing to do with it.
signed: a retired Surgical assistant.
The terminology is “spontaneous abortion,” commonly called miscarriage, and “elective abortion.
Also, there is no such thing as a “late-term abortion”. That’s a contradiction in terms, because after 20 weeks, a pregnancy loss is a stillbirth or a preterm delivery.
What two procedures are you speaking of?
Precisely, which is why no one in this comment section (that I’ve seen) is advocating for the government to intervene and force her hand
Yes. It is her choice.
And if she ends up dead, her husband and minister will blame the rest of us.
Or, her husband will sue the doctor for not explaining that it was serious.
But it is her choice.
Except she believes that her choice should be everyone else’s choice, too.
Should she take their opinion and the impact of her decisions on them into account? Yes. Do they have a right to restrict her choice or her bodily autonomy? No. If her choice destroys her family through her death or its dissolution, that weight and responsibility is hers alone. Martyrs love that shit anyway.
Except I guarantee you she thinks she is "special" and doesn't think it will kill her, but medical reality (which she rejects) says it will.
She knows nothing bad will happen to her because she's famous.
And if she made the choice to abort, then she might lose followers.
And yes, I think people are that dumb.
No, I get it. I talked to a guy on Facebook who jumped out of an airplane without a parachute and survived. I can't find anyone on Facebook who jumped out of an airplane and didn't survive so...
I jumped out of a helicopter with no parachute. Please ignore that it was on the ground at the time. All the rest of the times I jumped out I was using a parachute.
It works with this situation as well, the pregnancies she’s holding on to were likely not the same risk as hers. I’ll bet they’re just women who have had c-sections and continued to have more children, not women who have actually had the ectopic pregnancy and the baby survives along with the mother.
Yeah, they aren't very medically literate.
Nah. If she's pregnant, and if it's ectopic, she will obtain an abortion in a state where she's unknown, make the provider sign an NDA, and fake a miscarriage. Or she will birth a healthy baby, and we will know the baby was never ectopic and she lied. They will use this a a "success story" to try to prevent other women from accessing life saving care. It's what these people do.
🎯That was my thought as well snake oil salespersons that they are.
This was my first thought. If someone is sick enough to lie and be so public about it, causing the death of many women who believed her, she will get what's coming to her.
Here is a woman who is so determined to follow some twisted interpretation of what is an already twisted holy book that she is willing to risk her life with an untoward pregnancy. She's been given the facts, but oh, no, I want to believe that fraction of a fraction of people who have survived such pregnancies!
I still want followup on this, though I can't help but suspect that eventually, that followup will consist of an obituary.
It seems to be a fact that so many "religious" followers would rather believe fiction than truth, like all the fairy tales we were told as children.
It's to be expected. They've been fed these lies since they were children, with the further imperative to believe or be sent to everlasting punishment. Even worse, they've been taught not to trust their own judgment but rely on their "leaders" (such as they are).
I'm not much for pity, but in cases like these... 🤷♂️
What a loving thing to do to children.
I want Hemant to follow up on this one too. I also was proof her pregnancy is really-really ectopic.
That will probably never be released, lest it clue the "incubators" in to reality
Phew! Until I saw her story I was unsure about where to turn for my medical care guidance. I can now go ahead and click “join group” on Facebook and find a the resources I need. Thank goodness!
"She’s hearing from “more survivors than not,” "
Unless she's also hearing the voices in her head.
You have to wonder.
Sure it's her choice but is she making that choice to get more recognition as an influencer and gain more followers or for people to look at her and tell her how brave she is? She is being incredibly selfish by not considering the final outcome of her choice could leave all her children orphans.
It'll all work out. God will see to that. If she lives, she's a miracle, if she dies she's a martyr. Win-win.
Sadly that is exactly how she thinks. If one can call that thinking.
If I were a cynical creature, here is what I would predict as the series of events.
1. Find out it is ectopic.
2. Has an abortion.
3. Tells her followers that she has an ectopic pregnancy, but she is going to trust God.
4. fund -raises on the preciousness of life.
5. Announces that it was a natural miscarriage. Praise God/ God's plan to save her.
6. Fund -raise on that.
But I am not cynical.
I have to wonder how many ectopic pregnancies result in miscarriage. Not a doctor here at all, but my impression is that fallopian ectopic pregnancies don't auto-abort very often, if at all, which is a considerable part of what makes them so dangerous. As to Ms. Gooding's case, I simply do not know, though it is clear that there are those with medical degrees and considerable experience who have a firmer grasp of the situation than either I or Ms. Gooding do.
What floors me more than anything else is that she has data that tells her that her life is in considerable and likely mortal danger ... and SHE UTTERLY IGNORES IT. That is genuinely scary.
She ignores the data. I think she is lying about her pregnancy.
This is just a small part of the harm religious superstition inflicts upon mankind. I just finished this one, and the former minister touches on this . HEAVILY.
Speaking of God: We Don't Know $hit: A Former Minister Reflects on God and Religion Paperback – October 5, 2020
by David Blair Ramsey (Author)
Sent to a friend.
À peine, mais c'est pour ça qu'on t'aime 😁
I hope this woman lives in a blue state where, when the complications occur, she can get treatment as soon as possible. After already being pregnant 13 times, she's risking her life to prove a point, which is about as stupid as you can be.
OTOH, that doctor should have his license taken away. His treatment of her probably goaded her into trying to keep the baby. As a woman, I loathe male OB/gyns because of the their "I know better than you" attitude.
Imagine if he had gone in and said, "I know you want to keep this baby, but it risks your life to continue the pregnancy. You have other children on this earth that need you. Please talk with your husband and if you need a few days to think about it, that's fine."
I agree with you but she is a fundie, I would take what she says about her doctor with a mountain of salt.
I've had doctors just like this back in my 20s.
I wanted to get my tubes tied at 25.
"But you're not married!" - that's right and I don't want to get married
"You might change your mind" - I never wanted kids, I don't want kids, I don't want to be pregnant (at 67, I was right, he was wrong)
"It's permanent!" THE WHOLE POINT.
Having kids is also permanent and irreversible.
Thankful my own gyn actually suggested tubal ligation for me after I’d suffered from various side effects of various birth control methods. He knew me well enough to understand that I never wanted children.
I loathe most of the male doctors I've encountered. Only one ever took me seriously. The rest tried to tell me that whatever pain I was feeling wasn't as bad as I thought it was, or that it was "all in your head." All I needed to do was learn how to relax! Yeah, bub. Sometimes I hurt so bad I can't even sleep. And to think all I needed to do was haul out my yoga mat and meditate the pain away.
Why is anyone taking her report about what the doctor said to her at face value? Obviously she's going to skew this to make herself out to be the martyr. I don't trust people who display a clear disregard for experts, which this tribe of people has proven is their way of thinking. Pretty sure she thinks she can just "do her own research" out of this dilemma.
That was my thought as well. I’ve had male and female gynecologists and the only one who was the absolute worst was a female. Go figure.
Right??? I was going through a divorce which hadn’t been finalized yet and went to get birth control pills. I was still covered by my ex’s insurance. This woman doctor REFUSED to prescribe them because I was still technically married to a man who’d had a vasectomy. I went from there to PP, where I was GIVEN a year’s supply of pills.
What? Oh my.
I like the fact that I agree with both Sko and Kristen here! It does seem that the doctor’s behavior was dismissive . . . But as Kristen points out, this “tradwife”has uncritically accepted the biblical idea that the husband is the head of the woman. I assume the doctor already realized who he was dealing with and was appealing to the one he thought might respond. The woman is really complaining about the doctor because it’s part of her “culture” to complain about experts, professionals, scientists, etc., especially when they are trying to save your life (think Fauci).
Your observation is spot on. I can confirm that when I was on the inside, I heard numerous sermons excoriating "experts" of one stripe or another.
But that OB’s attitude that he and husband know better than the female pregnant patient is her own christofascist attitude. If she’s really a trad wife then she should own it and accept that she has no say over her own body.
I didn't read that at all. It sounded to me like the doc tried and failed get through to her, then the nurse tried and failed to get through to her, so then the doc tried to get the husband to help change her mind.
That's not sexism, that's desperation. If a patient has decided to do something incredibly foolhardy and risky, I would *expect* many doctors to reach out to their spouse or emergency point of contact. To try to get THAT person to change the patient's mind. Yes, in this case going to the husband about a pregnancy issue has terrible traditionally sexist optics. But he is also her most trusted partner and the person she's most likely to listen to. So who else would the doctor turn to?
Agreed. That is my interpretation as well.
Either way, it is the author’s stance that she is a “trad wife” so she should accept her lack of bodily autonomy and submit to the respective expertise and opinion of her male physician and her husband. If any of the story is true.
Yah I didn't like the doctors attitude there either that her husband knows better than she does.
I'm just a tiny bit skeptical that the meeting with the doctor went down just like she reported it, though.
Baloney.
The doctor wants to save her life with a simple procedure.
He's frustrated because at some point he won't be able to.
She doesn't have a female ob-gyn because she chose not to.
So this is not his fault.
I haven't had a female gynecologist since I moved to Kansas. It's not by choice, I can assure you.
Sorry. That didn't occur to me.
I haven't had a male gynecologist since the 1980s.
I've had other male doctors but not gynecologists. And I've always had multiple choices when I have to switch.
True about OB/GYNs. When I wanted to tie my tubes at age 39 (childless by choice), the doctor did everything he could to prevent it. Multiple return visits to demand it again and again. Explaining I was childless by choice and I wasn’t about to start busting out babies in my 40s. His reply was “well, what if TOM CRUISE (his emphasis not mine) told you he wanted you to have his babies?”
p.s. I can’t stand Tom Cruise anyway, but seriously, is that who men think women find irresistible. Now, if he had said Jason Momoa… 🤣
She's blinded by ideology indoctrinated into her as a child and will likely cut her life short as a result.
She will see this as a beautiful thing: Martyrdom for motherhood or a miracle that proves (yes, proves) that God is real and not that doctors and nurses worked hard to save her life.
That must be so frustrating for so many healthcare workers.
It is.