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Rape is entirely the fault of how women dress, because a man cannot reasonably be expected to have any control over his behavior? I will never understand why anyone would delegate their thinking to a member of the clergy, let alone a fool like this. I'm pretty sure the only thing he regrets here is being called out for what he said. I've little doubt but what he expects his religiosity to be deferred to at all times.

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Men have ALWAYS thought like this and have been encouraged by their clergy to continue thinking that way, because it PROTECTS THE CLERGY.

"It's the woman's fault I [raped, beat, kicked, knifed, shot...] her."

"It's my wife's fault I cheated."

"It's my wife's fault I murdered her and all my children"

See, when you think like this, you can outlaw no-fault divorce, you can prevent pregnant women from getting a divorce, you can decide what is "legitimate" or "forcible" rape, and what isn't (i.e., a woman drinks too much or roofied and is raped while she's passed out, of COURSE that's her fault!).

I hope with everything in me that moderate Republican women are waking up to this (I'm starting to see pushback from Republicans on the Alabama IVF decision).

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Honestly between this and the Hillsong "ladies kissing" tweet just expounds further on the utter misanthropic nature of the sexual fantasies of Christian pastors. Everything that's "sexy" is "sin" and since women's bodies are something men find "sexy" then women walking around having bodies is something they find provocative. No mention of how self control and the question of consent gets completely side-railed. Presumably women just don't have desire in the minds of these men. Desire only exists in the minds of straight men and women are supposed to keep their problematic bodies away from their eyes until the time that they aren't, but they (the men) get to decide when that time is.

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Here is a fundamental truth that even believers should acknowledge: pulpit ministers should work for their congregations, not run them. When they screw the pooch (figuratively or literally), they should be the ones who have to hit the pavement, not the congregants. Their apologies should come from the unemployment line, not the church sign.

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Here's a little FYI that not enough folks know about, the DSM V, the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual, the document in the psychology profession that attempts to categorize all known mental disorders and give a way to diagnose them, which it does by listing some number of symptoms that, if a patient meets enough of them, like 4 of 6, or 5 of 8 etc, then they can be deemed to have that disorder. Well, they have to keep stating that if a given symptom is due to religious belief in some way, then it shouldn't be used as meeting the criteria for having a mental disorder. It gives a definition of delusion:

"A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly held despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontro­vertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not ordinarily ­accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (i.e., it is not an article of religious faith)."

What's hilarious is if you get a pdf of the DSM and search for 'religious', you'll see in the scroll bar where it puts little colored tick-marks next to where the term is found in the text, the whole vertical scroll bar is chock full of them, and there's one area it's REALLY prevalent. Anyone want to guess what that section is? Yep, it's sexual dysfunctions.

Why should religious belief have this 'get out of loony bin free' exception? It's more than time for that to end.

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80 years ago was the 1940s, meaning it was culturally unacceptable for women to wear anything but dresses in almost all situations. Rules laid out by men. So his comment about not remembering women wearing shorts, while likely true, is only a remark on the sexism women have faced throughout history. Women were arrested for wearing shorts in that era.

The sermon implies he has said this before, like in other sermons or in casual conversation. That women in shorts should be raped. So some sentiment on the church’s sign is not an apology or even an acknowledgment of what he did might be wrong. The impact of the sermon is national, nothing would have been said at all if he hadn’t gotten caught outside of his church, but the sign is local, directed only at his loyal followers. Sorry for the hurt? Do you even know what kind of hurt you caused? No. And the reality is, you don’t care. Notpology is not accepted.

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"I told my wife, I said, “Mama..."

Red flag, right there.

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I distinctly remember listening to sermons very much like that on occasion back when my parents insisted on me going to church. Christianity has created one of the worst possible scenarios for women: they have no power to refuse the men in their lives, but it's always their fault when intercourse happens, and therefore must suffer all the consequences of it while the man gets to go free.

This is a system designed to protect men from the consequences of their own criminal behavior and may well be one of the original instances of DARVO. Incidentally, there are solutions to that idea men cannot be expected to control themselves that don't involve violence, they're called chastity cages. I would assume that being 'pure' (whatever THAT means) before your Jesus would be worth a little bit of discomfort. Funny how no pastor ever seems to suggest that as a sensible, reasonable solution to the problem.

I don't care if some woman is walking down the street in her birthday suit, that is not permission to force sexual contact on her. "But I have these hormones" or "But I have male parts" is not an excuse for losing self control. If Christians honestly believed humanity was made in their god's image, then there is no reason to behave like some rabid animal and sully that image.

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founding

A preacher’s apology

Has as much meaning to me

As a prayer on the wind

Or threats of hell for my sin

—Effing-Devine Poems

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Yeah, of course it's easier to remove some shorts than lifting up most dresses and skirts 🙄

Does men who wear kilts deserve to be raped too ?

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Feb 23·edited Feb 23

I lived and worked in NC 20 years ago and while the state has great and varied scenic beauty I found pockets of the most ignorant scum on earth. I know we have ignorance everywhere but NC really stood out. GREAT ignorance. It's really nice that in this video this turd has some beautiful flowers on either side of him. It must be there to minimize the ugliness of his presence and his words. And the smell will maybe help to cover the smell of the schit coming out of his mouth.

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I will be 81 years old this year so, I can relate to this despicable pastor's rhetoric. Those days were hard on girls and women. Yes, we girls could only wear dresses to school and that did not change until the 1970's when girls could finally ware pants to school and women to work. He needs to ask himself why Muslim women who are completely covered but still get raped.

Too many men, and I happen to think it is the majority, think that they are entitled to a woman's body no matter what the hell she is wearing. This lame and stupid idea that a "man is a man" is degrading to all men because it is just another way of saying they can't control themselves. As a young woman I was constantly fighting off advances at work young and old. When my boss died, in one of my jobs in early 1970's, a wonderful man by the way, my co-worker thought it was quite OK to hit on me. Thing is most of the stupid, can't control myself men, were married. It's the old and biblical male attitude that 'I am man, I am superior, and all women are mind for the taking, and will do as I say'.

Fortunately, we women came to our senses stronger than before in the 1960's and it's been growing ever since. Just watch us vote out the Republican's this year and take back what they have taken away from us.

And I have this to say to all good and decent men out there, start speaking up every time you hear a sexist joke, or vulgar one, speak up when the guy you're with hounds a woman clearly not interested in him, or hounds a woman on the street, and speak up publicly about what is wrong with the misogyny in our world today, if you aren't doing this already, you are part of the problem.

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This is biblical patriarchy on full display. Men are not responsible for their sexual urges or controlling them. Women are always at fault if they are raped. Men can wear whatever they want. Women must be enshrouded whenever out in public. Republic of Gilead anyone?

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You're right - what does this say about men? They are just beasts with no self-control? If they are aroused by the sight of an attractive woman (shorts, dress, jeans - whatever), they must act on their impulse? Perhaps he should be advocating for only women to hold public office and positions of importance and influence, so that the reasonable half of the human race can run interference on men's baser instincts.

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It's exactly the same type of thinking that motivates the mullahs in Iran to subjugate women in that imprisoned country. It reflects the intuition men have of the power over them women have because so many men are juvenile and haven't grown up.

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Well, it's rather more than a glimpse of stocking, so I guess anything goes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN2KHeEWqZM

Or, here's a better idea: 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘱 𝘣𝘭𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘥𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘴. Only one mind controls where your body goes and what it does to other people- and that's the one which is presumably located somewhere between your eardrums.

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