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I don't understand. Why don't they just pray for the money?

Mark 11:24 New King James Version (NKJV)

Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

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"If they wanted to invite food carts to set up businesses on their property, they should’ve done the proper legwork to make it happen"

Laws are for lay people, not them.

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Perfect place for a Chick-fil-A knockoff to setup Sunday only service and call it "Side Chik".

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I heard recently a business that owns several apartment buildings had one of their own property managers steal rent money. Now the business is expecting the tenants to pay it again even though they did nothing wrong.

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Religion. I was raised (reluctantly) in a Christian church (until age 14 when I announced to my father that I would no longer be attending) and even then I knew what a scam it was. But, having that background and realizing their trend to be massive hypocrites, this does not surprise me at all.

I'm an atheist and glad to be nowadays-- for many more reasons.

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"[U]nrealistic city expectations".

Far more accurate would be unrealistic 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ expectations, i.e. the church's expectations that rules don't apply to them because Christian Fucking Privilege.

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Can they get a manna and quail food truck? Or loaves and fishes?

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"This was the church’s mistake. It’s the church’s job to fix it."

Hahahaha! Oh man, good one. Churches don't *fix* problems, especially not ones they caused. I wonder how many of the churchy folks who made this decision are members of the 'party of personal responsibility'. All, I expect.

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I don't think they can charge a fee, after the fact, that was not part of the original agreement. This church is trying to shift the burden onto small businesses who didn't create the problem.

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That church in the background looks suspiciously like a Walmart.

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I mean, the extra month’s rent every month is just a tip to the landlord/church. Aren’t we doing that now, tipping landlords?

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The TL;DR version is pretty straightforward: "We screwed up and now we expect YOU to pay for our screw-up! That's okay with us. Okay with you? Of course!"

PUL-LEASE.

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Two thoughts.

1. With the "creative" fee structure, it sounds to me like the city doesn't like food carts. I mean, "30 percent “business enhancement factor”" . 30 % of what and wtf is business enhancement?

2. The food carts are providing a service to church. The church should be paying the food carts to be there, not charging rent.

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OT- Conversion "therapy" bans are next on the GQP hit list, targeted by the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman: https://apnews.com/article/lgbtq-gay-transgender-conversion-iowa-f6d220171feac884a42006c1b5a19b1b

As the right wing war on trans people and drag grabs the headlines, Mat Staver's Liberty Counsel has been busily chipping away at 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 issue behind the scenes- in addition to the latest win for torture proponents in Waterloo, Iowa, bans on the thoroughly debunked practice of abusing queer people until they duck back into the closet have also been repealed or blocked in several places in Florida (𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘦). While obviously places without state-level bans are at greater risk than in bluer locales, there a bunch of cases wriggling their ways through lower courts, and it seems likely that SCROTUS will weigh in at some point, so... keep an ear out, because if the Nazis see a path to making brainwashing the law of the land, they'll skip down it with a grin and a whistle.

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If the church doesn't have the money, I have some serious questions about where that money went and who was responsible for it. That's a professional web page that displays pictures of a church with some serious means, not some back-in-the-woods Baptist box for a town of 500. I'll also admit I have questions about how the city of Vancouver handles these cases considering that most food carts just don't make that kind of money, but it's pretty clear the city's been willing to negotiate on the issue considering they slashed the fee in near-half.

At this point, however, the church should without question pay the fee. If it's a yearly fee, they should pay for this year then advise the cart owners and let them know if the church will be responsible for the fee in the future. As often as we hear about the superiority of Christian morals, it'd be nice if they did the morally right thing and fixed their mistake as quickly and painlessly as they can. Because too many megachurches worship money, I honestly don't expect that to happen; I fully expect these food carts to be forced to choose to either pay the additional fee or go out of business, and it looks like that's already happening to one of them.

Best of luck to these small business owners, who will undoubtedly be the ones to pay the price for this issue.

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God will provide. God provided the food trucks to pay the fees and fines for the church not bothering with the proper paperwork. Good for him.

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