In high school, you HAVE to think about your appearance. If you're not stereotypically attractive, you have to find ways to make yourself less noticeable and hope that works. If you really fall short of the accepted beauty standards, you will be reminded of that every single day by multiple people. There is no way you will be allowed to forget about or ignore your appearance.
Letโs not forget, there arenโt any positive affirmations if Jesus isnโt the inspiration. Otherwise, any positive thoughts are really the creation of SATAN!!!!!!!....:)
Conservative Christians will never pass up the opportunity to play the poor, persecuted victim of the godless left. It happens every time they are thwarted in their efforts to force their views on others. I can forgive this kid for thinking this was a great idea. Hopefully, she will mature enough she won't think it was a great idea ten years from now.
Most schools would take issue with this type of thing, there are policies about getting permission to put up signs and displays. Permission and placements. Iโm sure the janitor loves cleaning this bathroom, and if the janitor decided to take it down so they could do their job, there would be hell to pay.
Did she get permission? Could the school have guided her to a more diplomatic title like affirmation mirror? Is someone monitoring the notes? Because high schoolers are known for finding ways to be rebellious. I can see, especially now that the school is promoting this, a kid adding a note that isnโt so affirming, possibly directed at a specific student.
The school can choose to have the prayer wall conform to displays policies without infringing on free speech, not doing so privileges Christianity. If they have one, and Iโm almost certain they do. If the school is promoting the prayer mirror, then theyโve overstepped.
This is potentially just a modern update on the habit of bullies slipping anonymous nasty notes into the lockers of outcaste students. Bet on it--even if the student's original idea was nice and affirmative, it won't stay that way for long.
OT: There was a poster in my high school cafeteria that demonstrated how to do the Heimlich. The cartoon figure of the choking man bore a striking similarity to the HS principal. Except the principal wore glasses with distinctive rectangular lenses. Well, you can guessโฆ.
Getting caught drawing glasses on poster guy became a serious detention-worthy infraction. Getting away with it (raises hand!) was a point of pride. That poster got replaced a lot.
Somebody with a better sense of humor would've taken it in stride and remarked on how glad he was that so many students fantasized about saving his life.
I donโt disagree but that was a time and a place when we were expected to and mostly did obey authority. Getting the hell away from there after HS was my Goal Number One.
I'd like to know where the idea for a prayer mirror came from. On the surface, this looks like a cute, uplifting gesture but that hides what appears to be more of a strategy to claim a space at school for Jesus. This feels like the kind of thing that an evangelical publishing company would print in a guide on how to evangelize at school and a zealous youth pastor would promote to teenagers. I have difficulty imagining a teenager coming up with this kind of thing without adult involvement.
I can easily see it. There are a lot of kids of highschool age who try to do uplifting and affirming things in their schools. I can easily see some kid coming up with this with the purest of intentions not even considering that everyone else's beliefs may not align exactly with her own.
I'd be curious to know what the kid's reaction to the suggestion that it be re-branded as an Affirmation or Positivity Mirror. Does she respond with something like "Oh wow, great idea, more inclusive! Thanks, let's do it!".....or is it more of "Jesus says you can fuck off!"?
If it were anything but prayer, the school would have taken it down. Schools have rules about what can be posted on their property. I seem to recall several GSAs getting slapped with bureaucracy for wanting to put up positive LGBT themed postings.
Yeah... any display that prevented a piece of school-owned equipment from being used would've been marked for disposal by the custodian at our school. Post-it notes on a mirror probably wouldn't have earned anyone more than a stern talking-to, but... were there no bulletin boards around? We had several specifically for students to post announcements and things; even religious material, as long as it wasn't endorsed by any school staff, would've been accommodated- it just wouldn't have been allowed to dominate the space.
The RCC needs to be dismantled now. As the Dan Savage saying goes, "If kids got raped at Denny's as often as they get raped in church every Denny's in the country would've been burned to the ground decades ago."
Can I get clarification from you on this - do you think people in the country you live in should be prohibited from being members, or do you think the organization itself should be eliminated in some way?
I'm not entirely clear on what you're proposing here.
In those, you appear to be venting a -fully justified - rage, and generally denouncing the RCC as a disgusting organization, and pointing out that they'd happily exercise any amount of temporal power against those they perceive as their enemies.
Which is all well and good.
But I still don't know what you are proposing to do.
Outlaw Catholicism?
Have the UN invade Vatican City?
Have the US invade Vatican City?
Outline for me, if you would, your plan to dismantle the RCC. (If you don't have a plan, and are just ranting, there's nothing wrong with that, of course - what they are doing is rant-worthy. But if that's the case, please spell it out and I'll drop the issue of a concrete roadmap.)
No one is a bigger critic of the RCC than I am,...but what exactly does "dismantle" mean in this context? You can't just outlaw a religion, as horrible as it is.
How much more damage does the RCC have to do to woman, LGBTQs and children before we say enough is enough? As their own horrific history shows, they've been engaging in crimes against humanity for most of two millennia. Devout Catholics continue to enable Holy Mother Church to commit crimes. Do we allow it to continue because an organization pushing a fairy tale being insists that they have immunity due to that fairy tale being?
To recruit and train members of a civilian military force under his control, Gov. Ron DeSantisโ administration has hired a company that specializes in combat training and lists as one of its instructors a former U.S. Navy SEAL accused of war crimes.
*snip*
The Florida company trains police and military members on tactical shooting, explosives and urban combat and is owned by a former Army green beret who supports the Republican governorโs presidential campaign. The governor, the State Guard and the Florida Department of Military Affairs, which oversees the agreement, didnโt respond to questions about the training services.
The floriduh legislature changed a law so that pretty much any demonstration could be declared a riot. IIRC, it is being challenged in court. It goes to my point that DeNazi wants his own private military.
...because ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ง๐ถ๐ค๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ด๐ฆ Snowbird Hitler would shop around until he found the organization that employs fucking war criminals to train his brownshirts for him. What's a private army even ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ if you can't teach them to murder civilians on demand?
Better for her locker. She could invite her friends to use it there. Cuz yeah, sheโs using public space AND blocking access to the mirror. Wth is a โprayer mirrorโ anyway? Donโt tell me - some TikTok phenomenon?
While we're at it, has anyone noticed that YOU CAN'T REALLY ๐จ๐ฆ๐ THE MIRROR WHEN IT'S COVERED WITH POST-IT NOTES?!?
As if high school girls think about their appearance!!11!
Even high school ๐๐๐ฆ๐ occasionally give a momentary thought to their appearance.
ONLY on days that end in "Y"!
In high school, you HAVE to think about your appearance. If you're not stereotypically attractive, you have to find ways to make yourself less noticeable and hope that works. If you really fall short of the accepted beauty standards, you will be reminded of that every single day by multiple people. There is no way you will be allowed to forget about or ignore your appearance.
That's what I thought, too. How about moving the sign to one side and re-labelling it as a "Wishing Wall". (See what I did there?)
Or even meditation wall, or hopeful thoughts.
Please donโt let your logical negativity interfere with Jesusโs blessing. Itโs blasphemy, damn it!!!!!...:)
"Forget it, Jake. It's Alabama."
Gosh darn it, my acne has disappeared, PRAISE JIBBERS!
Just now seeing this article. You beat me to this thought by 2 hours.
This is a school for kids...
๐ด๐๐ก๐๐ ๐๐๐, ๐คโ๐๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ก ๐ก๐ ๐กโ๐๐: ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ โ๐๐๐ ๐ฝ๐๐ ๐ข๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐
I think we all know their answer.
Letโs not forget, there arenโt any positive affirmations if Jesus isnโt the inspiration. Otherwise, any positive thoughts are really the creation of SATAN!!!!!!!....:)
Lolololololol
Conservative Christians will never pass up the opportunity to play the poor, persecuted victim of the godless left. It happens every time they are thwarted in their efforts to force their views on others. I can forgive this kid for thinking this was a great idea. Hopefully, she will mature enough she won't think it was a great idea ten years from now.
It depends on how far the indoctrinated they are by the time they turn 18. Some are too far gone...:)
I was indoctrinated until age 18, but it never took.
Most schools would take issue with this type of thing, there are policies about getting permission to put up signs and displays. Permission and placements. Iโm sure the janitor loves cleaning this bathroom, and if the janitor decided to take it down so they could do their job, there would be hell to pay.
Did she get permission? Could the school have guided her to a more diplomatic title like affirmation mirror? Is someone monitoring the notes? Because high schoolers are known for finding ways to be rebellious. I can see, especially now that the school is promoting this, a kid adding a note that isnโt so affirming, possibly directed at a specific student.
The school can choose to have the prayer wall conform to displays policies without infringing on free speech, not doing so privileges Christianity. If they have one, and Iโm almost certain they do. If the school is promoting the prayer mirror, then theyโve overstepped.
This is potentially just a modern update on the habit of bullies slipping anonymous nasty notes into the lockers of outcaste students. Bet on it--even if the student's original idea was nice and affirmative, it won't stay that way for long.
And once again, it's not about if god know you're praying or not, it's all about if other people know you're praying or not.
It's almost as if people think other people's notice is more important for prayer than god's.
Almost as if god's response isn't sufficient.
Odd, that.
They either never read and understood what their Jesus said in Matthew 6:5-6 or they're ignoring it.
Trouble is, god's just a wee bit self-absorbed to be the ideal audience for a Piety Show. Gotta wow the plebs.
"If this exaltation gets 30k Likes, we get into heaven automatically!"
OT: There was a poster in my high school cafeteria that demonstrated how to do the Heimlich. The cartoon figure of the choking man bore a striking similarity to the HS principal. Except the principal wore glasses with distinctive rectangular lenses. Well, you can guessโฆ.
Getting caught drawing glasses on poster guy became a serious detention-worthy infraction. Getting away with it (raises hand!) was a point of pride. That poster got replaced a lot.
Someone with that thin a skin has no business being a high school principal.
Somebody with a better sense of humor would've taken it in stride and remarked on how glad he was that so many students fantasized about saving his life.
I donโt disagree but that was a time and a place when we were expected to and mostly did obey authority. Getting the hell away from there after HS was my Goal Number One.
She had "wonderful intentions." Alas, she forgot what the road to her hell was paved with.
โherโ hell.
Touchรฉ
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm staring down *my* hell looking at January 21st, 2025.
Iโm trying very hard to have faith in American voters. Thatโs how desperate I am.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.
You and me both.
I'd like to know where the idea for a prayer mirror came from. On the surface, this looks like a cute, uplifting gesture but that hides what appears to be more of a strategy to claim a space at school for Jesus. This feels like the kind of thing that an evangelical publishing company would print in a guide on how to evangelize at school and a zealous youth pastor would promote to teenagers. I have difficulty imagining a teenager coming up with this kind of thing without adult involvement.
I can easily see it. There are a lot of kids of highschool age who try to do uplifting and affirming things in their schools. I can easily see some kid coming up with this with the purest of intentions not even considering that everyone else's beliefs may not align exactly with her own.
I'd be curious to know what the kid's reaction to the suggestion that it be re-branded as an Affirmation or Positivity Mirror. Does she respond with something like "Oh wow, great idea, more inclusive! Thanks, let's do it!".....or is it more of "Jesus says you can fuck off!"?
I can readily imagine both yours and David Burkettโs scenarios.
If she's allowed to do this, I can see it escalating into a turf war at Foley High School. Who owns the cafeteria? Who's got the gym?
Waddaya know? Jesus really did come as a sword to divide people and set them against each other.
If it were anything but prayer, the school would have taken it down. Schools have rules about what can be posted on their property. I seem to recall several GSAs getting slapped with bureaucracy for wanting to put up positive LGBT themed postings.
Yeah... any display that prevented a piece of school-owned equipment from being used would've been marked for disposal by the custodian at our school. Post-it notes on a mirror probably wouldn't have earned anyone more than a stern talking-to, but... were there no bulletin boards around? We had several specifically for students to post announcements and things; even religious material, as long as it wasn't endorsed by any school staff, would've been accommodated- it just wouldn't have been allowed to dominate the space.
Maybe when Jesus said "pray in your closets", he meant the girl's bathroom?
"Water closet" is a rather common term in places I've lived/visited.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/ohio-priest-sentenced-life-imprisonment-sex-trafficking-minors
OT ... good.
Strange, I thought it was Drag Queens the pedos ๐
How many more out there that we don't know about.
The RCC needs to be dismantled now. As the Dan Savage saying goes, "If kids got raped at Denny's as often as they get raped in church every Denny's in the country would've been burned to the ground decades ago."
"The RCC needs to be dismantled now."
Can I get clarification from you on this - do you think people in the country you live in should be prohibited from being members, or do you think the organization itself should be eliminated in some way?
I'm not entirely clear on what you're proposing here.
See my responses to Daniel Rotter.
In those, you appear to be venting a -fully justified - rage, and generally denouncing the RCC as a disgusting organization, and pointing out that they'd happily exercise any amount of temporal power against those they perceive as their enemies.
Which is all well and good.
But I still don't know what you are proposing to do.
Outlaw Catholicism?
Have the UN invade Vatican City?
Have the US invade Vatican City?
Outline for me, if you would, your plan to dismantle the RCC. (If you don't have a plan, and are just ranting, there's nothing wrong with that, of course - what they are doing is rant-worthy. But if that's the case, please spell it out and I'll drop the issue of a concrete roadmap.)
A rare moment of disagreement with you.
No one is a bigger critic of the RCC than I am,...but what exactly does "dismantle" mean in this context? You can't just outlaw a religion, as horrible as it is.
How much more damage does the RCC have to do to woman, LGBTQs and children before we say enough is enough? As their own horrific history shows, they've been engaging in crimes against humanity for most of two millennia. Devout Catholics continue to enable Holy Mother Church to commit crimes. Do we allow it to continue because an organization pushing a fairy tale being insists that they have immunity due to that fairy tale being?
Sorry, but there is still religious freedom. Again, you can't just criminalize a religion.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend!
OT - The goosestepping never stops with DeNazi. I knew from the beginning he wanted his own private army.
๐๐๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ฌโ ๐๐ญ๐๐ญ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ญ๐ง๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐๐๐ญ-๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ซ๐๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ, ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง ๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ
To recruit and train members of a civilian military force under his control, Gov. Ron DeSantisโ administration has hired a company that specializes in combat training and lists as one of its instructors a former U.S. Navy SEAL accused of war crimes.
*snip*
The Florida company trains police and military members on tactical shooting, explosives and urban combat and is owned by a former Army green beret who supports the Republican governorโs presidential campaign. The governor, the State Guard and the Florida Department of Military Affairs, which oversees the agreement, didnโt respond to questions about the training services.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-state-guard-partners-with-combat-training-company-to-recruit-train-members/ar-AA1k69UI
Bet he's already picked out their uniforms. Something involving brown shirts.
And did DeFuhrer care that one of its instructors was accused of war crimes? Shit, that was one of the selling points.
And jack boots.
With lifts.
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None of those sissy truncheons, though.
Does it come with a big Gott Mit Uns belt buckle?
Swastika and all.
Natรผrlich. ๐
Still trying to wrap my mind around โurban combatโ.
The floriduh legislature changed a law so that pretty much any demonstration could be declared a riot. IIRC, it is being challenged in court. It goes to my point that DeNazi wants his own private military.
Everything DeSaster does should be challenged in court.
...because ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ง๐ถ๐ค๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ด๐ฆ Snowbird Hitler would shop around until he found the organization that employs fucking war criminals to train his brownshirts for him. What's a private army even ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ if you can't teach them to murder civilians on demand?
Even if DeDipshit dropped dead tomorrow, Florida might never recover.
"With God, all things are possible."
He can't even defeat Satan, whom he created.
Better for her locker. She could invite her friends to use it there. Cuz yeah, sheโs using public space AND blocking access to the mirror. Wth is a โprayer mirrorโ anyway? Donโt tell me - some TikTok phenomenon?
Someone was aching to go viral?
"After all, whatโs more important to them: the positive affirmations or pushing Jesus on kids?"
This is Alabama. The answer is obvious. The fairy tale wins.