In high school, you HAVE to think about your appearance. If you're not stereotypically attractive, you have to find ways to make yourself less noticeable and hope that works. If you really fall short of the accepted beauty standards, you will be reminded of that every single day by multiple people. There is no way you will be allowed to forget about or ignore your appearance.
Let’s not forget, there aren’t any positive affirmations if Jesus isn’t the inspiration. Otherwise, any positive thoughts are really the creation of SATAN!!!!!!!....:)
Conservative Christians will never pass up the opportunity to play the poor, persecuted victim of the godless left. It happens every time they are thwarted in their efforts to force their views on others. I can forgive this kid for thinking this was a great idea. Hopefully, she will mature enough she won't think it was a great idea ten years from now.
Most schools would take issue with this type of thing, there are policies about getting permission to put up signs and displays. Permission and placements. I’m sure the janitor loves cleaning this bathroom, and if the janitor decided to take it down so they could do their job, there would be hell to pay.
Did she get permission? Could the school have guided her to a more diplomatic title like affirmation mirror? Is someone monitoring the notes? Because high schoolers are known for finding ways to be rebellious. I can see, especially now that the school is promoting this, a kid adding a note that isn’t so affirming, possibly directed at a specific student.
The school can choose to have the prayer wall conform to displays policies without infringing on free speech, not doing so privileges Christianity. If they have one, and I’m almost certain they do. If the school is promoting the prayer mirror, then they’ve overstepped.
This is potentially just a modern update on the habit of bullies slipping anonymous nasty notes into the lockers of outcaste students. Bet on it--even if the student's original idea was nice and affirmative, it won't stay that way for long.
The real problem is that the school promoted the “Prayer / Affirmation Mirror” in the girls’ bathroom but completely ignored the “School Sux and Principals R Dix” mirror in the boys’. Free speech is free speech.
OT: There was a poster in my high school cafeteria that demonstrated how to do the Heimlich. The cartoon figure of the choking man bore a striking similarity to the HS principal. Except the principal wore glasses with distinctive rectangular lenses. Well, you can guess….
Getting caught drawing glasses on poster guy became a serious detention-worthy infraction. Getting away with it (raises hand!) was a point of pride. That poster got replaced a lot.
Somebody with a better sense of humor would've taken it in stride and remarked on how glad he was that so many students fantasized about saving his life.
I don’t disagree but that was a time and a place when we were expected to and mostly did obey authority. Getting the hell away from there after HS was my Goal Number One.
I'd like to know where the idea for a prayer mirror came from. On the surface, this looks like a cute, uplifting gesture but that hides what appears to be more of a strategy to claim a space at school for Jesus. This feels like the kind of thing that an evangelical publishing company would print in a guide on how to evangelize at school and a zealous youth pastor would promote to teenagers. I have difficulty imagining a teenager coming up with this kind of thing without adult involvement.
I can easily see it. There are a lot of kids of highschool age who try to do uplifting and affirming things in their schools. I can easily see some kid coming up with this with the purest of intentions not even considering that everyone else's beliefs may not align exactly with her own.
I'd be curious to know what the kid's reaction to the suggestion that it be re-branded as an Affirmation or Positivity Mirror. Does she respond with something like "Oh wow, great idea, more inclusive! Thanks, let's do it!".....or is it more of "Jesus says you can fuck off!"?
If it were anything but prayer, the school would have taken it down. Schools have rules about what can be posted on their property. I seem to recall several GSAs getting slapped with bureaucracy for wanting to put up positive LGBT themed postings.
Yeah... any display that prevented a piece of school-owned equipment from being used would've been marked for disposal by the custodian at our school. Post-it notes on a mirror probably wouldn't have earned anyone more than a stern talking-to, but... were there no bulletin boards around? We had several specifically for students to post announcements and things; even religious material, as long as it wasn't endorsed by any school staff, would've been accommodated- it just wouldn't have been allowed to dominate the space.
The RCC needs to be dismantled now. As the Dan Savage saying goes, "If kids got raped at Denny's as often as they get raped in church every Denny's in the country would've been burned to the ground decades ago."
Can I get clarification from you on this - do you think people in the country you live in should be prohibited from being members, or do you think the organization itself should be eliminated in some way?
I'm not entirely clear on what you're proposing here.
In those, you appear to be venting a -fully justified - rage, and generally denouncing the RCC as a disgusting organization, and pointing out that they'd happily exercise any amount of temporal power against those they perceive as their enemies.
Which is all well and good.
But I still don't know what you are proposing to do.
Outlaw Catholicism?
Have the UN invade Vatican City?
Have the US invade Vatican City?
Outline for me, if you would, your plan to dismantle the RCC. (If you don't have a plan, and are just ranting, there's nothing wrong with that, of course - what they are doing is rant-worthy. But if that's the case, please spell it out and I'll drop the issue of a concrete roadmap.)
I've not said anything that I and others have not stated before about the need for the RCC going away.
Not sure why people think I'm advocating a show of force in busting the power of Holy Mother Church once and for all. I'd love to see them bankrupted by selling off everything they have in order to pay the seemingly unending lawsuits against them.
If Catholics are as pro-life as they claim, then they need to walk out on their religion en masse, taking their money and their children with them, effectively crippling the Church and driving them out of business.
Fading away due to lack of member interest is not the same thing as being dismantled.
Being bankrupted and losing scale and power is also not the same as being dismantled.
How exactly do you dismantle an organization like the RCC without force or a show of force? Even bankruptcy carries the threat of force behind it.
I'm sorry, but if we saw chatter from the Southern Baptists discussing 'dismantling", say, the FRFF, I don't think it would be reasonable to assume they were hoping for a voluntary en-masse membership loss. Assuming that would be, IMHO, naive in the extreme. And I think we would rightly call bullshit on members using terms like 'dismantle' and then saying "Oh, well, I meant they'd all quit - nothing more," when confronted about it.
No one is a bigger critic of the RCC than I am,...but what exactly does "dismantle" mean in this context? You can't just outlaw a religion, as horrible as it is.
How much more damage does the RCC have to do to woman, LGBTQs and children before we say enough is enough? As their own horrific history shows, they've been engaging in crimes against humanity for most of two millennia. Devout Catholics continue to enable Holy Mother Church to commit crimes. Do we allow it to continue because an organization pushing a fairy tale being insists that they have immunity due to that fairy tale being?
There is also freedom FROM religion, which Christians would love to stamp out if they ever get the power and turn us into a theocracy. They can go after us, yet we're supposed to play nice? Uh-uh.
Yeah, we're gonna disagree on this. That thing about xtian trolls calling us an echo chamber is such a lie.
To recruit and train members of a civilian military force under his control, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has hired a company that specializes in combat training and lists as one of its instructors a former U.S. Navy SEAL accused of war crimes.
*snip*
The Florida company trains police and military members on tactical shooting, explosives and urban combat and is owned by a former Army green beret who supports the Republican governor’s presidential campaign. The governor, the State Guard and the Florida Department of Military Affairs, which oversees the agreement, didn’t respond to questions about the training services.
The floriduh legislature changed a law so that pretty much any demonstration could be declared a riot. IIRC, it is being challenged in court. It goes to my point that DeNazi wants his own private military.
...because 𝘰𝘧 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦 Snowbird Hitler would shop around until he found the organization that employs fucking war criminals to train his brownshirts for him. What's a private army even 𝘧𝘰𝘳 if you can't teach them to murder civilians on demand?
Better for her locker. She could invite her friends to use it there. Cuz yeah, she’s using public space AND blocking access to the mirror. Wth is a “prayer mirror” anyway? Don’t tell me - some TikTok phenomenon?
While we're at it, has anyone noticed that YOU CAN'T REALLY 𝗨𝗦𝗘 THE MIRROR WHEN IT'S COVERED WITH POST-IT NOTES?!?
As if high school girls think about their appearance!!11!
Even high school 𝑏𝑜𝑦𝑠 occasionally give a momentary thought to their appearance.
ONLY on days that end in "Y"!
In high school, you HAVE to think about your appearance. If you're not stereotypically attractive, you have to find ways to make yourself less noticeable and hope that works. If you really fall short of the accepted beauty standards, you will be reminded of that every single day by multiple people. There is no way you will be allowed to forget about or ignore your appearance.
That's what I thought, too. How about moving the sign to one side and re-labelling it as a "Wishing Wall". (See what I did there?)
Or even meditation wall, or hopeful thoughts.
Please don’t let your logical negativity interfere with Jesus’s blessing. It’s blasphemy, damn it!!!!!...:)
"Forget it, Jake. It's Alabama."
Gosh darn it, my acne has disappeared, PRAISE JIBBERS!
Just now seeing this article. You beat me to this thought by 2 hours.
This is a school for kids...
𝐴𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑙𝑙, 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚: 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠
I think we all know their answer.
Let’s not forget, there aren’t any positive affirmations if Jesus isn’t the inspiration. Otherwise, any positive thoughts are really the creation of SATAN!!!!!!!....:)
Lolololololol
Conservative Christians will never pass up the opportunity to play the poor, persecuted victim of the godless left. It happens every time they are thwarted in their efforts to force their views on others. I can forgive this kid for thinking this was a great idea. Hopefully, she will mature enough she won't think it was a great idea ten years from now.
It depends on how far the indoctrinated they are by the time they turn 18. Some are too far gone...:)
I was indoctrinated until age 18, but it never took.
Most schools would take issue with this type of thing, there are policies about getting permission to put up signs and displays. Permission and placements. I’m sure the janitor loves cleaning this bathroom, and if the janitor decided to take it down so they could do their job, there would be hell to pay.
Did she get permission? Could the school have guided her to a more diplomatic title like affirmation mirror? Is someone monitoring the notes? Because high schoolers are known for finding ways to be rebellious. I can see, especially now that the school is promoting this, a kid adding a note that isn’t so affirming, possibly directed at a specific student.
The school can choose to have the prayer wall conform to displays policies without infringing on free speech, not doing so privileges Christianity. If they have one, and I’m almost certain they do. If the school is promoting the prayer mirror, then they’ve overstepped.
This is potentially just a modern update on the habit of bullies slipping anonymous nasty notes into the lockers of outcaste students. Bet on it--even if the student's original idea was nice and affirmative, it won't stay that way for long.
The real problem is that the school promoted the “Prayer / Affirmation Mirror” in the girls’ bathroom but completely ignored the “School Sux and Principals R Dix” mirror in the boys’. Free speech is free speech.
And once again, it's not about if god know you're praying or not, it's all about if other people know you're praying or not.
It's almost as if people think other people's notice is more important for prayer than god's.
Almost as if god's response isn't sufficient.
Odd, that.
They either never read and understood what their Jesus said in Matthew 6:5-6 or they're ignoring it.
Trouble is, god's just a wee bit self-absorbed to be the ideal audience for a Piety Show. Gotta wow the plebs.
To be fair, all of life is now social media performance content. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to Insta, who gives a shit?
"If this exaltation gets 30k Likes, we get into heaven automatically!"
OT: There was a poster in my high school cafeteria that demonstrated how to do the Heimlich. The cartoon figure of the choking man bore a striking similarity to the HS principal. Except the principal wore glasses with distinctive rectangular lenses. Well, you can guess….
Getting caught drawing glasses on poster guy became a serious detention-worthy infraction. Getting away with it (raises hand!) was a point of pride. That poster got replaced a lot.
Someone with that thin a skin has no business being a high school principal.
Somebody with a better sense of humor would've taken it in stride and remarked on how glad he was that so many students fantasized about saving his life.
I don’t disagree but that was a time and a place when we were expected to and mostly did obey authority. Getting the hell away from there after HS was my Goal Number One.
She had "wonderful intentions." Alas, she forgot what the road to her hell was paved with.
“her” hell.
Touché
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm staring down *my* hell looking at January 21st, 2025.
I’m trying very hard to have faith in American voters. That’s how desperate I am.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.
Or the ineptness of Dem messaging.
You and me both.
I'd like to know where the idea for a prayer mirror came from. On the surface, this looks like a cute, uplifting gesture but that hides what appears to be more of a strategy to claim a space at school for Jesus. This feels like the kind of thing that an evangelical publishing company would print in a guide on how to evangelize at school and a zealous youth pastor would promote to teenagers. I have difficulty imagining a teenager coming up with this kind of thing without adult involvement.
I can easily see it. There are a lot of kids of highschool age who try to do uplifting and affirming things in their schools. I can easily see some kid coming up with this with the purest of intentions not even considering that everyone else's beliefs may not align exactly with her own.
I'd be curious to know what the kid's reaction to the suggestion that it be re-branded as an Affirmation or Positivity Mirror. Does she respond with something like "Oh wow, great idea, more inclusive! Thanks, let's do it!".....or is it more of "Jesus says you can fuck off!"?
I can readily imagine both yours and David Burkett’s scenarios.
If she's allowed to do this, I can see it escalating into a turf war at Foley High School. Who owns the cafeteria? Who's got the gym?
Waddaya know? Jesus really did come as a sword to divide people and set them against each other.
If it were anything but prayer, the school would have taken it down. Schools have rules about what can be posted on their property. I seem to recall several GSAs getting slapped with bureaucracy for wanting to put up positive LGBT themed postings.
Yeah... any display that prevented a piece of school-owned equipment from being used would've been marked for disposal by the custodian at our school. Post-it notes on a mirror probably wouldn't have earned anyone more than a stern talking-to, but... were there no bulletin boards around? We had several specifically for students to post announcements and things; even religious material, as long as it wasn't endorsed by any school staff, would've been accommodated- it just wouldn't have been allowed to dominate the space.
Maybe when Jesus said "pray in your closets", he meant the girl's bathroom?
"Water closet" is a rather common term in places I've lived/visited.
🤔
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/ohio-priest-sentenced-life-imprisonment-sex-trafficking-minors
OT ... good.
Strange, I thought it was Drag Queens the pedos 🙄
How many more out there that we don't know about.
The RCC needs to be dismantled now. As the Dan Savage saying goes, "If kids got raped at Denny's as often as they get raped in church every Denny's in the country would've been burned to the ground decades ago."
"The RCC needs to be dismantled now."
Can I get clarification from you on this - do you think people in the country you live in should be prohibited from being members, or do you think the organization itself should be eliminated in some way?
I'm not entirely clear on what you're proposing here.
See my responses to Daniel Rotter.
In those, you appear to be venting a -fully justified - rage, and generally denouncing the RCC as a disgusting organization, and pointing out that they'd happily exercise any amount of temporal power against those they perceive as their enemies.
Which is all well and good.
But I still don't know what you are proposing to do.
Outlaw Catholicism?
Have the UN invade Vatican City?
Have the US invade Vatican City?
Outline for me, if you would, your plan to dismantle the RCC. (If you don't have a plan, and are just ranting, there's nothing wrong with that, of course - what they are doing is rant-worthy. But if that's the case, please spell it out and I'll drop the issue of a concrete roadmap.)
I've not said anything that I and others have not stated before about the need for the RCC going away.
Not sure why people think I'm advocating a show of force in busting the power of Holy Mother Church once and for all. I'd love to see them bankrupted by selling off everything they have in order to pay the seemingly unending lawsuits against them.
If Catholics are as pro-life as they claim, then they need to walk out on their religion en masse, taking their money and their children with them, effectively crippling the Church and driving them out of business.
Fading away due to lack of member interest is not the same thing as being dismantled.
Being bankrupted and losing scale and power is also not the same as being dismantled.
How exactly do you dismantle an organization like the RCC without force or a show of force? Even bankruptcy carries the threat of force behind it.
I'm sorry, but if we saw chatter from the Southern Baptists discussing 'dismantling", say, the FRFF, I don't think it would be reasonable to assume they were hoping for a voluntary en-masse membership loss. Assuming that would be, IMHO, naive in the extreme. And I think we would rightly call bullshit on members using terms like 'dismantle' and then saying "Oh, well, I meant they'd all quit - nothing more," when confronted about it.
A rare moment of disagreement with you.
No one is a bigger critic of the RCC than I am,...but what exactly does "dismantle" mean in this context? You can't just outlaw a religion, as horrible as it is.
How much more damage does the RCC have to do to woman, LGBTQs and children before we say enough is enough? As their own horrific history shows, they've been engaging in crimes against humanity for most of two millennia. Devout Catholics continue to enable Holy Mother Church to commit crimes. Do we allow it to continue because an organization pushing a fairy tale being insists that they have immunity due to that fairy tale being?
Sorry, but there is still religious freedom. Again, you can't just criminalize a religion.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your weekend!
There is also freedom FROM religion, which Christians would love to stamp out if they ever get the power and turn us into a theocracy. They can go after us, yet we're supposed to play nice? Uh-uh.
Yeah, we're gonna disagree on this. That thing about xtian trolls calling us an echo chamber is such a lie.
Shall I bait Zorg again ? 😁
OT - The goosestepping never stops with DeNazi. I knew from the beginning he wanted his own private army.
𝐃𝐞𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬’ 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐚𝐭-𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐫𝐮𝐢𝐭, 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐬
To recruit and train members of a civilian military force under his control, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration has hired a company that specializes in combat training and lists as one of its instructors a former U.S. Navy SEAL accused of war crimes.
*snip*
The Florida company trains police and military members on tactical shooting, explosives and urban combat and is owned by a former Army green beret who supports the Republican governor’s presidential campaign. The governor, the State Guard and the Florida Department of Military Affairs, which oversees the agreement, didn’t respond to questions about the training services.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-state-guard-partners-with-combat-training-company-to-recruit-train-members/ar-AA1k69UI
Bet he's already picked out their uniforms. Something involving brown shirts.
And did DeFuhrer care that one of its instructors was accused of war crimes? Shit, that was one of the selling points.
And jack boots.
With lifts.
👍
😁
None of those sissy truncheons, though.
Does it come with a big Gott Mit Uns belt buckle?
Swastika and all.
Natürlich. 😉
Still trying to wrap my mind around “urban combat”.
The floriduh legislature changed a law so that pretty much any demonstration could be declared a riot. IIRC, it is being challenged in court. It goes to my point that DeNazi wants his own private military.
Everything DeSaster does should be challenged in court.
...because 𝘰𝘧 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦 Snowbird Hitler would shop around until he found the organization that employs fucking war criminals to train his brownshirts for him. What's a private army even 𝘧𝘰𝘳 if you can't teach them to murder civilians on demand?
Even if DeDipshit dropped dead tomorrow, Florida might never recover.
"With God, all things are possible."
He can't even defeat Satan, whom he created.
Better for her locker. She could invite her friends to use it there. Cuz yeah, she’s using public space AND blocking access to the mirror. Wth is a “prayer mirror” anyway? Don’t tell me - some TikTok phenomenon?
Someone was aching to go viral?