So, if this bill passes along with Oklahoma’s other anti-education bill banning books we can use them against each other. The book banning bill says that if one parent, one, complains about a particular book the school must remove it from the library immediately or else the librarian is fired (and barred from working in a public school forever) and there’s a $10,000 fine per day.
The way to fight this, Democratic legislators as well as the semi-sane independent, republican, whatever legislators if they exist, should do to eliminate the threat of both of these laws is to point out the consequences for them. If that doesn’t work a parent needs to complain about the KJV Bible and hold the state to the fines. I’m not actually advocating firing librarians, but Oklahoma will find themselves stuck with no one to do that job after only a few instances.
If they insist on pushing their hole-y book on public school children I say we counter and push to preach the ways of science from the pulpit. Or at least the 7 Tenets of the Satanic Temple.
For fuck's sake, this sorry bunch of sad-sack incompetents can't even wait until they've squashed the rest of us before they go and try to stomp on each other.
The usual suspects, of course, will completely overlook the huge flashing neon warning sign telling them that, even if they do manage to create their glorious Christian theocracy, it will only last exactly as long as it takes for the dominant sect to start passing laws against all the other sects. Assuming, of course, that there won't already be such laws on the books before they complete their takeover.
A lot of Republicans are still pining for a return to the imagined golden era of the 1950’s, a time which wasn’t so great if you weren’t a white heterosexual cisgender Protestant Christian.
It has to do the the survival bias (I think that’s what it’s called). Fighter planes in war are given better armor based on the pattern of bullet holes of the planes that return, but then fewer planes were retuning despite the upgrades. Because the planes were able to fly with the bullets holes, those areas didn’t need the bolster. The engineers needed to assess the hots made on the planes that don’t make it back to improve the planes’ chances.
History is written by the folks who didn’t suffer, or were able to thrive despite their suffering. There’s a bias in what they expressed were issues, but smart folks are (or should be) looking into those who didn’t survive the suffering to determine the true cause and effect of history. What we see from these folks is a symptom of their own shallow thinking, they see the facile answer from the survivor planes rather than the difficult work of acquiring and evaluating the downed planes.
Seems to me all over the developed world, using the guise of anti-censorship, the right are trying to censor what is taught in schools and universities. There's something vaguely 1984-ish about that.
The lies, the denial, the apologism, the straw men, the Gish Galloping, the goalpost moving, the last-wording, the willful blindness, the inability to read a room...ugh! I'd had enough.
The Eden saga showed how YHVH wanted to keep humanity ignorant. Not a good look for him.
The Tower of Babel story is illustrative of how an "omnipotent" being so feared a united humanity that he "confused" their language to divide them and remove them as a potential threat to his rule.
Considering that schools in states like OK are no longer allowed to teach literature, math, science, or history, they've got to do something to justify the tax money spent on "education". /s
Let's hope that the young people that are being deprived of a proper education will one day remember WHO so royally screwed them, while they are flipping Burgers or while they are refilling the shelves in their local whatever-market, because there is no way to get a good job with a religiously solid, but otherwise lacking education.
I really don’t like the way it continues thread and forgets that I’ve opened a comment three times already. Also it’s terrible about announcing new comments. It isn’t nearly as reader friendly as discus was. And discus was awful. Also remember I’m reading on a smartphone.
In FF, I open the Crtl+F window and type "new rep" to search for any new replies when I return to the page. I knew Substack sucked from reading David French's free Sunday columns over at The Dispatch.
And this post fucked that up by returning two matches.
I rarely use a computer outside of work. I prefer to be comfortable on my couch than sit in another fucking computer chair after 8hours of it at work. I can do most of anything I need to on my phone. I can design and cut on my Cricut machine, I can print from my phone, email, look at social media, handle the kids school stuff, make appointments, and even read and comment on friendly atheist. And my home pc is super frustrating anyway, every time I turn it on it has three hours of updates before I can even open a single program/app.
Besides I’m a creature of habit and I hate it when things change, I’ve been doing this for many years now and I’m gonna fight switching.
An old high school friend that was featured in one or two comments on friendly atheist regarding her disinterest in wearing masks and vaccines is in the hospital with covid, she seems to be improving and will likely recover thank goodness. But her Facebook live post mentions that she was not for vaccines but she’s regretting it and asking her friends to get vaccinated now. Hopefully some take her advice, though judging by the comments recommending she make the doctors give her colloidal silver, I’m not betting on it.
I'd like to understand, why the millions of vaccinated people that suffer from no side effect whatsoever, that don't get (seriously) sick, that don't die an agonizing death, that don't have to live and struggle with long Covid, are not considered as counter-proof to the claims of the anti-vaxxers et al. I mean, do this people really believe that there is a global conspiracy involving literally millions upon millions of vaccinated people? Do they never ask themselves, “Cui fucking bono”? Many of them must have vaccinated neighbors, co-workers, family members, friends, team-mates, preachers, etc., they must know of vaccinated public figures and celebrities that show no ill effects from the vaccine. So, my question is, WHAT THE HELL?? Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK??
Wait a minute, are you telling me that an Oklahoma lawmaker outed himself as a Qhristian nationalist and wants to pass bat guano crazy bill, this is Oklahoma after all. SSDD.
"If we can teach about the bible, then it should be clear that the KJV is the definitive version. Since the ones who know the bible the best are the ordained preachers, they should be the ones teaching it. That's not forcing my Christianity on the kids, it's giving them the best instruction. Nevermind that there are PhD scholars who disagree with all of that, and that the preachers are not qualified to teach public school children. We gotta get God back into the schools because it has been horrible there since they kicked God out and started teaching that evolution stuff."
His entire justification for this can be demonstrated to be false. This is Christian privilege and Christian Nationalism wielded by a lawmaker who may not even realize it. He appears to not even understand what is wrong with his proposal, let alone why. The education system has failed him.
I have corner drawers in the kitchen that do that. Worst part is, I designed the damn thing myself. In my defense, I got a smokin' deal on cabinets, but it was a previously designed kitchen. I had to make what I got fit into my space, which was different dimensions than the original kitchen the stuff was designed for. Also, after I did the design, I decided to put in soundproofing between my house and the neighbours, and the false wall I built knocked 4" off the width of my kitchen. Turns out that 4" was pretty important, but I didn't think to revisit my design before the build.
The upshot is, in one corner, I can only use one of the drawers. And in the other, I have to open the dishwasher door before I can open the drawer.
But y'know what? My kitchen cabinets cost me a grand total of $500. That good a deal is worth a little inconvenience.
We have just moved from a five bedroom house with a separate dining room as well as a lounge as well as a very large – I can only call it a space, because it wasn't an actual room, but we used it as an office – with three of us living there to a three-bedroom house no separate dining room more or less open plan – with two people living there. We can't find enough space for our stuff! :) Even though we've made about seven trips to various charity shops and a number of quite expensive ($25 a pop) trips to the tip. On the other hand, everything pretty much works. Except the decent locks on the front and back doors are for some reason about a foot above the floor level. I have no idea why that should be.
The one with the T-shirt. The writer definitely need lessons on geography* too "While they’re spelled with the same letters and are near each other on the map, Asia and Australia are two different places."
So, if this bill passes along with Oklahoma’s other anti-education bill banning books we can use them against each other. The book banning bill says that if one parent, one, complains about a particular book the school must remove it from the library immediately or else the librarian is fired (and barred from working in a public school forever) and there’s a $10,000 fine per day.
The way to fight this, Democratic legislators as well as the semi-sane independent, republican, whatever legislators if they exist, should do to eliminate the threat of both of these laws is to point out the consequences for them. If that doesn’t work a parent needs to complain about the KJV Bible and hold the state to the fines. I’m not actually advocating firing librarians, but Oklahoma will find themselves stuck with no one to do that job after only a few instances.
"...semi-sane independent, republican, whatever legislators..."
And this, children, is an example of an oxymoron.
If they insist on pushing their hole-y book on public school children I say we counter and push to preach the ways of science from the pulpit. Or at least the 7 Tenets of the Satanic Temple.
Sauce for the goose.
Religious freedom, baby!
Ooh! Oooh! Have that done in Sunday school and Friday Mass!
For fuck's sake, this sorry bunch of sad-sack incompetents can't even wait until they've squashed the rest of us before they go and try to stomp on each other.
The usual suspects, of course, will completely overlook the huge flashing neon warning sign telling them that, even if they do manage to create their glorious Christian theocracy, it will only last exactly as long as it takes for the dominant sect to start passing laws against all the other sects. Assuming, of course, that there won't already be such laws on the books before they complete their takeover.
What a shitshow.
V is very quickly turning from fiction to documentary.
We need explosives. Lots of it.
A lot of Republicans are still pining for a return to the imagined golden era of the 1950’s, a time which wasn’t so great if you weren’t a white heterosexual cisgender Protestant Christian.
They know the history they learned in Sunday school, how much more do they need.
"If English was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me"
I had someone claim that the KJV Bible was the exact bible that Jesus used when preaching.
Fixing the stupid is an impossible task.
Then it is just like the Old Testament where Moses wrote about his own death, jebas does too.
It has to do the the survival bias (I think that’s what it’s called). Fighter planes in war are given better armor based on the pattern of bullet holes of the planes that return, but then fewer planes were retuning despite the upgrades. Because the planes were able to fly with the bullets holes, those areas didn’t need the bolster. The engineers needed to assess the hots made on the planes that don’t make it back to improve the planes’ chances.
History is written by the folks who didn’t suffer, or were able to thrive despite their suffering. There’s a bias in what they expressed were issues, but smart folks are (or should be) looking into those who didn’t survive the suffering to determine the true cause and effect of history. What we see from these folks is a symptom of their own shallow thinking, they see the facile answer from the survivor planes rather than the difficult work of acquiring and evaluating the downed planes.
See Military-Industrial complex for examples.
Seems to me all over the developed world, using the guise of anti-censorship, the right are trying to censor what is taught in schools and universities. There's something vaguely 1984-ish about that.
There’s something very fascist about it too.
They need to censor so people won't be finding out what they are doing to get there.
Just like David Graf, who claimed that only the non-religious are anti-free will.
I got tired of his act and cut him off.
The lies, the denial, the apologism, the straw men, the Gish Galloping, the goalpost moving, the last-wording, the willful blindness, the inability to read a room...ugh! I'd had enough.
You can add the case of repeated amnesia. Did he say that he wouldn't come back a few days ago ?
No, he said he would be out for a while, but I thought it was going to be longer.
This meme is kind of funny.
https://prnt.sc/266gco3
See, it's funny cuz it's true.
LOL
OT -
We Know Exactly Who the Capitol Rioters Were
A year later, a fuller picture of who really drove the riot is clear. The lessons for 2022 and beyond are sobering.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html
---"The more the county votes for Trump, the less likely was the county to send an insurrectionist."---
Pretty damning right there.
KJV as the official text? Will students be discussing the dragons and unicorns found there? How about human-consuming great/giant fish?
This obsession over the KJV Bible, a single version in a single language, strikes me as rather ethnocentric.
That sounds about white.
Or Lot and his daughters, I really need to know how the story of Lot and his daughters contributed to western civilization.
The Eden saga showed how YHVH wanted to keep humanity ignorant. Not a good look for him.
The Tower of Babel story is illustrative of how an "omnipotent" being so feared a united humanity that he "confused" their language to divide them and remove them as a potential threat to his rule.
Lot was lying about that. If he was so drunk he didn't know it was his daughters he was too drunk to perform.
Considering that schools in states like OK are no longer allowed to teach literature, math, science, or history, they've got to do something to justify the tax money spent on "education". /s
All those others are not Gawd Approved like this course in religious(Baptist) indoctrination is.
Let's hope that the young people that are being deprived of a proper education will one day remember WHO so royally screwed them, while they are flipping Burgers or while they are refilling the shelves in their local whatever-market, because there is no way to get a good job with a religiously solid, but otherwise lacking education.
Unless, of course, the law gets changed to disallow anyone without a solid (their) religious background to be employed at all.
By then, the U.S. as we know it, will have turned into another nuclear armed religious shithole. Yay, go KJV!
Fuck you SubStack.
I really don’t like the way it continues thread and forgets that I’ve opened a comment three times already. Also it’s terrible about announcing new comments. It isn’t nearly as reader friendly as discus was. And discus was awful. Also remember I’m reading on a smartphone.
In FF, I open the Crtl+F window and type "new rep" to search for any new replies when I return to the page. I knew Substack sucked from reading David French's free Sunday columns over at The Dispatch.
And this post fucked that up by returning two matches.
And how would you do that on an iPhone in safari?
I can live with it a little while longer. Let’s look for that Only Sky.
BTW, who else watched Don’t Look Up? Man satire is truly dead.
As I used to reply to a former adversary* on the now-defunct TBT forums, "USE A REAL DUCKING COMPUTER!" 😜
* I cooled my jets when I finally realized that we agreed on more than we disagreed on.
I rarely use a computer outside of work. I prefer to be comfortable on my couch than sit in another fucking computer chair after 8hours of it at work. I can do most of anything I need to on my phone. I can design and cut on my Cricut machine, I can print from my phone, email, look at social media, handle the kids school stuff, make appointments, and even read and comment on friendly atheist. And my home pc is super frustrating anyway, every time I turn it on it has three hours of updates before I can even open a single program/app.
Besides I’m a creature of habit and I hate it when things change, I’ve been doing this for many years now and I’m gonna fight switching.
Try reading on a laptop lying on your back, you will switch to a tablet or a smartphone real fast :D
Prosecutor who opposed COVID vaccine mandates dies after contracting virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTzk9RouSY
FAFO
An old high school friend that was featured in one or two comments on friendly atheist regarding her disinterest in wearing masks and vaccines is in the hospital with covid, she seems to be improving and will likely recover thank goodness. But her Facebook live post mentions that she was not for vaccines but she’s regretting it and asking her friends to get vaccinated now. Hopefully some take her advice, though judging by the comments recommending she make the doctors give her colloidal silver, I’m not betting on it.
Was the comment from Jim Bakker? ; )
Candace Owens is hawking it nowadays.
No, just some bumpkin from MN.
https://preview.redd.it/v2knx67ovc261.png?auto=webp&s=dd0822b16c54eee7dd235f70403c0576328941ee
FreeDUMB.
And now she left behind a grieving family who wouldn’t have to be grieving right now had she not bought into such stupid beliefs.
I'd like to understand, why the millions of vaccinated people that suffer from no side effect whatsoever, that don't get (seriously) sick, that don't die an agonizing death, that don't have to live and struggle with long Covid, are not considered as counter-proof to the claims of the anti-vaxxers et al. I mean, do this people really believe that there is a global conspiracy involving literally millions upon millions of vaccinated people? Do they never ask themselves, “Cui fucking bono”? Many of them must have vaccinated neighbors, co-workers, family members, friends, team-mates, preachers, etc., they must know of vaccinated public figures and celebrities that show no ill effects from the vaccine. So, my question is, WHAT THE HELL?? Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK??
They're owning the libs. That's enough for them.
Wait a minute, are you telling me that an Oklahoma lawmaker outed himself as a Qhristian nationalist and wants to pass bat guano crazy bill, this is Oklahoma after all. SSDD.
"an Oklahoma lawmaker outed himself as a Qhristian nationalist"
It's usually a given.
A whole lot of redundant words mashed together.
"Ooooooo-klahoma, where the wind goes whipping through their brains..."
How can the wind whip through what doesn't exist?
"Heads" didn't rhyme with plain. :)
Couldn't you have made cranial cavity work???
Vrains ?
Burns' likely thought process:
"If we can teach about the bible, then it should be clear that the KJV is the definitive version. Since the ones who know the bible the best are the ordained preachers, they should be the ones teaching it. That's not forcing my Christianity on the kids, it's giving them the best instruction. Nevermind that there are PhD scholars who disagree with all of that, and that the preachers are not qualified to teach public school children. We gotta get God back into the schools because it has been horrible there since they kicked God out and started teaching that evolution stuff."
His entire justification for this can be demonstrated to be false. This is Christian privilege and Christian Nationalism wielded by a lawmaker who may not even realize it. He appears to not even understand what is wrong with his proposal, let alone why. The education system has failed him.
I think he knows exactly what he’s doing and why. You give him too much credit with assuming ignorance.
He could just be doing what his preacherman told him as being right and proper and he would never dispute what a man so favored by gawd told him.
To be fair, the willful ignorance of his indoctrination and subsequent poor education does go hand in hand with knowing exactly what he is doing.
OT - Woohoo!
OnlySky put an icon on my address bar, could this mean we're getting closer? 🤞
Doesn't mean much. Firefox is pretty inconsistent with reading the site icons.
https://www.arcamax.com/politics/editorialcartoons/andymarlette/s-2581879
Perfection!
George Burns eats worms.
OT - On a lighter note.
30 Funny (And Straight Up Baffling) Photos That Will Have You Screaming “You Had One Job!”
https://sportpirate.com/trending/30-funny-and-straight-up-baffling-photos-that-will-have-you-screaming-you-had-one-job-baido/01
I have corner drawers in the kitchen that do that. Worst part is, I designed the damn thing myself. In my defense, I got a smokin' deal on cabinets, but it was a previously designed kitchen. I had to make what I got fit into my space, which was different dimensions than the original kitchen the stuff was designed for. Also, after I did the design, I decided to put in soundproofing between my house and the neighbours, and the false wall I built knocked 4" off the width of my kitchen. Turns out that 4" was pretty important, but I didn't think to revisit my design before the build.
The upshot is, in one corner, I can only use one of the drawers. And in the other, I have to open the dishwasher door before I can open the drawer.
But y'know what? My kitchen cabinets cost me a grand total of $500. That good a deal is worth a little inconvenience.
Sounds like your kitchen evolved and wasn't designed. ; )
We have just moved from a five bedroom house with a separate dining room as well as a lounge as well as a very large – I can only call it a space, because it wasn't an actual room, but we used it as an office – with three of us living there to a three-bedroom house no separate dining room more or less open plan – with two people living there. We can't find enough space for our stuff! :) Even though we've made about seven trips to various charity shops and a number of quite expensive ($25 a pop) trips to the tip. On the other hand, everything pretty much works. Except the decent locks on the front and back doors are for some reason about a foot above the floor level. I have no idea why that should be.
Was the former owner related to Tinker Bell?
A sort of reverse psychology trick ? Toddlers tend to want to touch whatever is out of range :D
The second picture is perfect for NOGODZ.
The one with the T-shirt. The writer definitely need lessons on geography* too "While they’re spelled with the same letters and are near each other on the map, Asia and Australia are two different places."
*Or to stop hallucinogens.