Taking money for an investment to pay for other investors who want out is an illegal Ponzi scheme. Taking money for an investment for an imaginary being is legal.
No legal basis for charge-pressing. He asked for money, they voluntarily sent it in. He's a scam artist, they're suckers. No binding contracts (not even the verbal kind not worth the paper they're written on). Sad, but not illegal.
Gullibility. There's the magic word. It is the word that empowers megachurches to be built, the word upon which people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and Joel Osteen built their empires. Ol' Hank here would follow in their footsteps, and so far, his congregation seems to be willing to be led to the slaughter, without so much as a blink.
That brand of blind ignorance scares the whee outta me. It should scare anyone with a working brain.
I don't know, they have a certain Old Testament flavor to them, I could see them worshipping OG Yahweh. It wasn't until the NT that things like humility started getting lip service, IIRC. I can totally imagine this guy giving up a burnt offering and thinking "well, god loves me now, time to rob His children."
No. I'm sure he needs a Bombardier Global 8000 or Gulfstream 650 so he can fly down under on a tank to spread his message and try to convert GuerillaSurgeon and the other Kiwis. Maybe he'll stay there.
So Satan can get financing, but God is cash only. Kind of sounds like lenders trust Satan more than they trust God.
Well, that's understandable. Satan seems to honor his agreements, while God is always changing his mind, or suddenly needing more, or just disappearing when he's supposed to deliver.
I mean, who would you be more likely to lend money to, someone who actually knows the difference between good and evil, or someone who thinks that it's impossible for anything he does to be evil?
What would you care to bet that he suddenly has a new Rolls/Bentley/Maserati/Maybach in his garage? It is why we need to be pelting our congress critters with requests to amend the Non-profit and Not-for-profit regulations. First and foremost, so his marks can see how he has grifted them, but also so it becomes painfully obvious to everyone what tax-free status of churches is doing to the national treasury.
It's only a matter of time before Kunteman takes a page out of Oral Roberts' playbook and demands millions so god doesn't kill him. And the rubes will pony up.
There is precious treasure and oil in the dwelling of the wise,
But a foolish man swallows it up.
Matthew 25:3-4
For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
Proverbs 15:6
Great wealth is in the house of the righteous,
But trouble is in the income of the wicked.
Luke 15:14
Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
Luke 16:1
Now He was also saying to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and this manager was reported to him as squandering his possessions.
Proverbs 13:11
Wealth obtained by fraud dwindles,
But the one who gathers by labor increases it.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich rules over the poor,
And the borrower becomes the lender’s slave.
Psalm 49:10
For he sees that even wise men die;
The stupid and the senseless alike perish
And leave their wealth to others.
Matthew 6:19-20
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;
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This isn't the lard talking, this is me.
As an atheist, the only thing preventing me from stealing idiotic believers blind are the morals that the believers claim I don't have because I'm not a believer.
I love how those preachers who buy planes belong to the very religion that used to utter "If God had meant for man to fly, He would have given him wings."
Preachers are social parasites, and always have been. They suck up money from gullible fools and contribute little if anything of value to the world. I have precious little sympathy for the people who delegate their thinking to a fool like this.
It seems he wants to buy or build a large billion dollar mansion or buy a 500 million dollar mega yacht. Both he wants no one to know about apparently.
"Grift" is the word for it. Christianity has been doing this exact same grift for 1700 years. I personally watched an on-going, years-long grift to raise money to build a parochial school at the catholic church my family attended. Never mind that there were *two* parochial schools nearby--one a mile to the south and the other a mile to the north. But *those* were run by *different parishes*! Which were not sufficiently conservative! (We won't go into the fact that the parish to the south was a dumping-ground for abusive priests in the diocese, where the priests would come into school classrooms and select children to take back to the rectory to abuse. With the connivance of the bishop, himself named last December as an abuser. The diocese continued the grift by declaring bankruptcy last May.) It's all one grift, one abuse system. Kunneman and his ilk are in expected company.
There is brainwashed and there is braindead. I could understand if it was the first time but it's at least the second 🙄
I hope someone will wake the fuck up and press charges.
Taking money for an investment to pay for other investors who want out is an illegal Ponzi scheme. Taking money for an investment for an imaginary being is legal.
No legal basis for charge-pressing. He asked for money, they voluntarily sent it in. He's a scam artist, they're suckers. No binding contracts (not even the verbal kind not worth the paper they're written on). Sad, but not illegal.
No different than Trumpsuckers sending Donnie their money.
I think the religious get more for their money than the trumpistas.
I'm pretty sure zero still equals zero.
I'm pretty sure anything dealing with Trump involves 𝑖.
The money will probably end up in the PAC of the biggest con man ever. I'm sure god will re-direct the good pastor to do so.
Spoiler alert: they won't.
Gullibility. There's the magic word. It is the word that empowers megachurches to be built, the word upon which people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and Joel Osteen built their empires. Ol' Hank here would follow in their footsteps, and so far, his congregation seems to be willing to be led to the slaughter, without so much as a blink.
That brand of blind ignorance scares the whee outta me. It should scare anyone with a working brain.
L. Ron Hubbard got one thing right: "If you want to get rich, start a religion."
Bottom line: The Christian conmen have repeatedly shown which master they serve. And it ain't the Big Guy or his kid.
I don't know, they have a certain Old Testament flavor to them, I could see them worshipping OG Yahweh. It wasn't until the NT that things like humility started getting lip service, IIRC. I can totally imagine this guy giving up a burnt offering and thinking "well, god loves me now, time to rob His children."
Operative words here: "lip service."
Don’t mention lip service around clergy.
How soon before a sweet little private jet (average cost, $3 million) shows up at the closest airport?
Don't blink.
https://youtu.be/cwdbLu_x0gY?t=225
Where did you get your numbers? New jets range between $45-85M last I checked before this latest inflation. Used jets were closer to $4-6M
Just did a quick google search for small jet prices. I'm sure a preacher wouldn't want anything too GARISH. ;)
No. I'm sure he needs a Bombardier Global 8000 or Gulfstream 650 so he can fly down under on a tank to spread his message and try to convert GuerillaSurgeon and the other Kiwis. Maybe he'll stay there.
And wasn't there a preacher just a few years ago that HAD a jet, but wanted something like $14 million for new one? I don't think he got it, though.
I thought it was Creepy Ken (Copeland) who got two planes to avoid flying in tubes full of demons.
Well, us demons don't like sitting next to creepy-ass religious psychos on planes, so there.
Ken Copeland and Creflo Dollar (I was wrong on the figure, he wanted $65 million for a new jet).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkyTIB9U4Xg
Geez. What did New Zealand ever do to you????
They haven't offered me asylum as an LGBT refugee.
Or a sweet vacation home.
I don't know why you people are so skeptical. He prayed in tongues and everything.
Gimmee gimmeee gimmeee gimmee gimmee gimmee.
Less speaking in tongues and more of a Christian mantra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMNnGjTGdew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0
https://youtu.be/zo3pfnldlD0
10 seconds of that and I was ready to give my money to Kunneman to make it stop.
He didn't mention but do you think he was checking his phone while praying in tongues?
Sure, god on speed dial.
Eta: It was a different grifter that got caught checking his phone, Perry Stone.
Your fine moral distinctions hold no water here
Is there a lot of difference between these grifters?
No.
So Satan can get financing, but God is cash only. Kind of sounds like lenders trust Satan more than they trust God.
Well, that's understandable. Satan seems to honor his agreements, while God is always changing his mind, or suddenly needing more, or just disappearing when he's supposed to deliver.
I mean, who would you be more likely to lend money to, someone who actually knows the difference between good and evil, or someone who thinks that it's impossible for anything he does to be evil?
At least Satan delivers when you sell your soul. YHWH never seems to be around when you go to collect.
If YHWH would deliver, there would be no need to sell your soul.
His marks have been waiting over 2000 years for him to "come back".
Suckers.
Bet Jesus is saying "Psych!"
'Kind of sounds like lenders trust Satan more than they trust God."
Remember this about Satan: He's a man of wealth and taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P0SplN4DTU
And also a man of his word.
What would you care to bet that he suddenly has a new Rolls/Bentley/Maserati/Maybach in his garage? It is why we need to be pelting our congress critters with requests to amend the Non-profit and Not-for-profit regulations. First and foremost, so his marks can see how he has grifted them, but also so it becomes painfully obvious to everyone what tax-free status of churches is doing to the national treasury.
KUNNEMAN: "If I have done anything wrong, may the good Lord himself strike me down!" *snickers*
We'd be a lot better off if YHWH would strike down Justice Thomas.
I can think of a few others on that Court that need a jolt from above.
Oh please please please please please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!
Starting with Samuel "We Don't Need No Stinking Ethics!" Alito.
"...steal this deal for God."
Interesting choice of words, Hanky. Freudian slip? And here I thought stealing and coveting violated the 8th and 10th Commandments.
But Jesus made all the old rules¹ obsolete and no longer in force!
(¹ The ones we don't agree with, that is.....e.g. The Gayz are still icky.)
Even though Jesus himself said he didn't come to abolish the Old Law but to fulfill it.
He didn't get to do that because he died and never returned to establish his kingdom. Oops.
8th and 10th what now?
The ones on those monuments Christians insist on posting on public land yet never bother to read themselves.
Stoopid xtians. Those Commandments were meant for the Israelites and no one else.
Could have been a misinterpretation or a misprint for "seal" – that's what I thought at 1st anyway. Because it is strange.
Given Christianity's track record of appropriating things, I'm thinking he meant 'steal.' He just said the quiet part out loud.
It's only a matter of time before Kunteman takes a page out of Oral Roberts' playbook and demands millions so god doesn't kill him. And the rubes will pony up.
Holy extortion. So very biblical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPV4jlOlWjA
Ha! I was going to post the same thing. Great tune.
To be an optimist, I hope his congregation gets smart and leaves.
To be a cynic, I hope that the divorce lawsuit resulting from his wife finding out about his mistress reveals his fraud too.
Job 20:15“He swallows riches,
But will vomit them up;
God will expel them from his belly.
Proverbs 21:20
There is precious treasure and oil in the dwelling of the wise,
But a foolish man swallows it up.
Matthew 25:3-4
For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
Proverbs 15:6
Great wealth is in the house of the righteous,
But trouble is in the income of the wicked.
Luke 15:14
Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
Luke 16:1
Now He was also saying to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and this manager was reported to him as squandering his possessions.
Proverbs 13:11
Wealth obtained by fraud dwindles,
But the one who gathers by labor increases it.
Proverbs 22:7
The rich rules over the poor,
And the borrower becomes the lender’s slave.
Psalm 49:10
For he sees that even wise men die;
The stupid and the senseless alike perish
And leave their wealth to others.
Matthew 6:19-20
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;
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This isn't the lard talking, this is me.
As an atheist, the only thing preventing me from stealing idiotic believers blind are the morals that the believers claim I don't have because I'm not a believer.
I really should have gone into the ministry. I might have that plane I want by now. Damn conscience.
I love how those preachers who buy planes belong to the very religion that used to utter "If God had meant for man to fly, He would have given him wings."
How the clergy railed against Benjamin Franklin's lightning rod because it somehow stole their god's power.
Louis XIV would have approved street lights, he tried to reduce mugging and murders.
Preachers are social parasites, and always have been. They suck up money from gullible fools and contribute little if anything of value to the world. I have precious little sympathy for the people who delegate their thinking to a fool like this.
It seems he wants to buy or build a large billion dollar mansion or buy a 500 million dollar mega yacht. Both he wants no one to know about apparently.
And yet the popularity of con-preachers is immense. It's a pretty bleak indictment of the species, if I'm feeling pessimistic. Which I am.
"Grift" is the word for it. Christianity has been doing this exact same grift for 1700 years. I personally watched an on-going, years-long grift to raise money to build a parochial school at the catholic church my family attended. Never mind that there were *two* parochial schools nearby--one a mile to the south and the other a mile to the north. But *those* were run by *different parishes*! Which were not sufficiently conservative! (We won't go into the fact that the parish to the south was a dumping-ground for abusive priests in the diocese, where the priests would come into school classrooms and select children to take back to the rectory to abuse. With the connivance of the bishop, himself named last December as an abuser. The diocese continued the grift by declaring bankruptcy last May.) It's all one grift, one abuse system. Kunneman and his ilk are in expected company.
The grift has been going in Christianity since the beginning, if Acts 5:1-10 can be an example.