The ONLY ideas the Church seems to care about, at least as regards this particular incident, are its own. One wonders if the Archdiocese of New York thinks it's still in the 16th century and can superimpose its will on anything and anyone and not face blowback or criticism.
I think it's time for the producers at the Connelly Theater to open a production of Do Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up! That will tell everyone whether the Church has any semblance of a sense of humor or whether they want to insist on being the scolds and buzzkills that they seem wont to be.
The Catholic Church doesn't like other ideas than their own. Shutting down a theatre to stop the exchange of idea's is probably what the new leader wants.
Why does a religion own so much property that isnβt dedicated to church services or charity? The RCC owns far too much property in the USA, considering it is a foreign nation. All the hospitals and schools and just property are money making schemes for them and opportunities to exert control over peopleβs lives, people who are not Catholics, who choose not to be a part of their religion. Now they are even interfering in the free expression of artists.
They plead poverty when theyβre expected to actually do charity, or when theyβre being held accountable for crimes against children and women. But they have plenty of cash to own large buildings in New York City, one of the most expensive cities for real estate in the world.
Who is surprised by the church choosing the heartless option.
I remember several years ago they changed the language of "fishers of men" to something like "go and fish for men." My brother and I commented that that didn't sound quite right.
Yeesh, ask the Mormons why they're snapping up agricultural lands and vast swaths of open space! It's certainly not for the good of the local communities!
I think eventually, that day will come. What with the churches owning non-churchy businesses and dabbling in politics, sooner rather than later is fine with me.
Exactly, I didnβt mention them, but I was thinking about that the whole time too. The Mormons are just a business with an authoritarian kink pretending to be a religion.
The funny thing is, the Mormons are exactly what Scientology claims to be, but they lie. They lie about membership numbers, they lie to their big donors, they lie about everything. The numbers don't add up, but the Mormons are for real; huge membership, lots of property, temples everywhere.
The more the Church tries to impose their beliefs on the public, the more they alienate people. Like most denominations the Catholic Church is hemorrhaging members, and distilling itself down to the true believers who live in a world beyond the reach of reason. They have put themselves in the curious position of reducing their influence by trying to exercise it. Given how the Church dealt with pedophile priests before those horrors became public, their moral posturing is selective to say the least.
So now the Catholic church has become so petty as to require approval for plays performed in a space where they once had no problem with controversial material. Considering their waning influence, I suppose they think this is a way for them to flex their atrophying muscles.
What it really is is childish and pathetic. The Catholic Church desperately needs to grow up. The problem of course is they almost certainly won't.
Same reason that a wide variety of Christian, not just Catholic institutions are clamping down, restricting, censoring, centralizing their power, re-asserting their autocracy, choosing to be in control of a bad situation rather than relinquish control and let it be a better situation, and doing exactly what they did to Galileo 391 years ago: He thought that "reason should persuade," but he was up against people who thought that "authority must dominate." The Catholic Church at the time was, just as it is now, losing its grip on its supremacy because at that time the Protestant movement was well underway.
So the answer to why they're doing this now is because Christianity in general is in decline and they're freaking out, so they're scrambling for control. This can be seen as a defensive pulling in rather than as an aggressive extending out. Christian hierarchies are fortifying themselves inside their castles with increasingly autocratic, legalistic, and authoritarian policies and practices.
I suppose theyβll want to go back to when women couldnβt perform at all and men, or boys rather, would play the parts for women. Or is that considered drag and naughty now? I mean, theyβre supportive of the draconian candidate thatβs trying, and succeeding, to remove all human rights from women. Pretty soon we wonβt be able to have bank accounts or buy our own homes, while weβre chained to abusive husbands because weβre not allowed divorce anymore.
The church decided not to replace the priest because the Archdiocese can now exert its rules on the theater. I hope the church loses enough money to close the school down. Of course, that might even be part of the plan, wouldnβt want women to be educated, now would we. They can shut down the school while blaming the theater group for it. Itβs a win/win!
Me too. I was able to open my own first checking account in the summer of 1974, just before I turned 22. I was working as a seasonal for the federal government in rural northeastern Montana, and the sole bank in town was overrun that week with young women from the surrounding area (including from the local rez) wanting to open their own accounts, with no daddy signature, for the first time. One could drink at 18 in Montana, but until the new law, women couldn't have independent checking accounts.
I've had days like that, especially when I've been in contact with hubs sperm donor of a dead beat father. Luckily he got the message a few moths ago. It took him 41 years. Idiot.
The hypocrisy of the Right knows no bounds. Perhaps the theater should only do productions detailing the constant predatory behavior of βyouth ministersβ or how to offer up our children to predators without getting caughtβ¦for like 500 years.
Oh, they would be pissed off, fer sure. But, why should the Catholic Church have any say regarding 1st amendment rights? The church has been obfuscating the truth for centuries. Besides, isnβt their tax free status permitted because they are supposed to be apolitical?
The problem is that the Johnson Amendment hasn't been enforced in recent memory, despite the multiple violations by various religious organizations, most particularly evangelical churches and megachurches. I wrote Biden about that this past August and got a blow-off form letter response, which wasn't horribly encouraging.
Sure, relate to the common man, Straw. Theater has been a bastion of truth in a world full of lies for centuries. Anyone remember on Game of Thrones how the minstrels would mock royalty with intense savagery during their street shows?
Following Trump's make-believe of "working" at a (closed) McDonald's, I've seen memes telling people to come to Burger King because they don't have clowns.
OTOH, Trump has long been known for serving up whoppers.
The Catholic Church in America is merely a money laundering machine for White Supremacists. They look the other way when backing a known sex offender like Trump but clutch their pearls with art?
This church controls health care in many communities. Now they're trying to control entertainment, watering it down to some kind of 'Davy and Goliath' venue for insipid, church-approved programs.
I guess they won't be doing Beetlejuice or Dogma any time soon.
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And the Church won't understand that. It is the position of the church that the quest for shared humanity means all of humanity conforming to them.
The ONLY ideas the Church seems to care about, at least as regards this particular incident, are its own. One wonders if the Archdiocese of New York thinks it's still in the 16th century and can superimpose its will on anything and anyone and not face blowback or criticism.
I think it's time for the producers at the Connelly Theater to open a production of Do Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up! That will tell everyone whether the Church has any semblance of a sense of humor or whether they want to insist on being the scolds and buzzkills that they seem wont to be.
The Catholic Church doesn't like other ideas than their own. Shutting down a theatre to stop the exchange of idea's is probably what the new leader wants.
Why does a religion own so much property that isnβt dedicated to church services or charity? The RCC owns far too much property in the USA, considering it is a foreign nation. All the hospitals and schools and just property are money making schemes for them and opportunities to exert control over peopleβs lives, people who are not Catholics, who choose not to be a part of their religion. Now they are even interfering in the free expression of artists.
They plead poverty when theyβre expected to actually do charity, or when theyβre being held accountable for crimes against children and women. But they have plenty of cash to own large buildings in New York City, one of the most expensive cities for real estate in the world.
Who is surprised by the church choosing the heartless option.
Jeebus- "Give away all that you have a d follow me."
Thr Church of Jeebus: "Give us all that you have and follow Jeebus."
They became fishers of men, cast their line right into menβs pockets.
I remember several years ago they changed the language of "fishers of men" to something like "go and fish for men." My brother and I commented that that didn't sound quite right.
Is that like "cruising"?
Yeesh, ask the Mormons why they're snapping up agricultural lands and vast swaths of open space! It's certainly not for the good of the local communities!
Tax the damned churches already. Before they own the entire country.
Absolutely!
I think eventually, that day will come. What with the churches owning non-churchy businesses and dabbling in politics, sooner rather than later is fine with me.
Exactly, I didnβt mention them, but I was thinking about that the whole time too. The Mormons are just a business with an authoritarian kink pretending to be a religion.
The funny thing is, the Mormons are exactly what Scientology claims to be, but they lie. They lie about membership numbers, they lie to their big donors, they lie about everything. The numbers don't add up, but the Mormons are for real; huge membership, lots of property, temples everywhere.
Scientology wishes it were Mormonism!
"Tax the churches!" Frank Zappa -1980
Freedom of expression is not allowed in the RCC, bigotry and pedophiles are OK π
The more the Church tries to impose their beliefs on the public, the more they alienate people. Like most denominations the Catholic Church is hemorrhaging members, and distilling itself down to the true believers who live in a world beyond the reach of reason. They have put themselves in the curious position of reducing their influence by trying to exercise it. Given how the Church dealt with pedophile priests before those horrors became public, their moral posturing is selective to say the least.
What morals? They don't have any.
They certainly demonstrate the disconnect between religion and morality.
So now the Catholic church has become so petty as to require approval for plays performed in a space where they once had no problem with controversial material. Considering their waning influence, I suppose they think this is a way for them to flex their atrophying muscles.
What it really is is childish and pathetic. The Catholic Church desperately needs to grow up. The problem of course is they almost certainly won't.
They've had 2000 years to grow up. Hasn't happened yet.
I wanted to write that.
They're still very good at dressing up for Halloween though.
Those predator costumes are always spot on.
"Why are they doing this now?"
Same reason that a wide variety of Christian, not just Catholic institutions are clamping down, restricting, censoring, centralizing their power, re-asserting their autocracy, choosing to be in control of a bad situation rather than relinquish control and let it be a better situation, and doing exactly what they did to Galileo 391 years ago: He thought that "reason should persuade," but he was up against people who thought that "authority must dominate." The Catholic Church at the time was, just as it is now, losing its grip on its supremacy because at that time the Protestant movement was well underway.
So the answer to why they're doing this now is because Christianity in general is in decline and they're freaking out, so they're scrambling for control. This can be seen as a defensive pulling in rather than as an aggressive extending out. Christian hierarchies are fortifying themselves inside their castles with increasingly autocratic, legalistic, and authoritarian policies and practices.
And that just drives more people out even faster.
They're grasping at straws ... and the straws will not hold.
I haven't noticed them grasping at me. And if they tried, I am as stubborn as nothern Norwegians get, so good luck with that.
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Princess Leia
The same people who were outraged over Sabrina Carpenter's video are dead silent over the RCCs incessant sexual abuse of children.
Yeah, I don't give the offendees' sense of morality much credence.
I suppose theyβll want to go back to when women couldnβt perform at all and men, or boys rather, would play the parts for women. Or is that considered drag and naughty now? I mean, theyβre supportive of the draconian candidate thatβs trying, and succeeding, to remove all human rights from women. Pretty soon we wonβt be able to have bank accounts or buy our own homes, while weβre chained to abusive husbands because weβre not allowed divorce anymore.
The church decided not to replace the priest because the Archdiocese can now exert its rules on the theater. I hope the church loses enough money to close the school down. Of course, that might even be part of the plan, wouldnβt want women to be educated, now would we. They can shut down the school while blaming the theater group for it. Itβs a win/win!
I was in my 20's before married women were allowed to have credit cards without their husbands' permission.
Me too. I was able to open my own first checking account in the summer of 1974, just before I turned 22. I was working as a seasonal for the federal government in rural northeastern Montana, and the sole bank in town was overrun that week with young women from the surrounding area (including from the local rez) wanting to open their own accounts, with no daddy signature, for the first time. One could drink at 18 in Montana, but until the new law, women couldn't have independent checking accounts.
Gonna be one of those days...
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I've had days like that, especially when I've been in contact with hubs sperm donor of a dead beat father. Luckily he got the message a few moths ago. It took him 41 years. Idiot.
Coming soon to the Connelly Theater: God's Not Dead: The Musical!
En attendant Godot.
I'd prefer a revival of Angels In America. That'd put a proper twist in their shorts!
The hypocrisy of the Right knows no bounds. Perhaps the theater should only do productions detailing the constant predatory behavior of βyouth ministersβ or how to offer up our children to predators without getting caughtβ¦for like 500 years.
You mean setting up a production based on real life experiences?
The church would never allow it. They claim to want verisimilitude and yet theyβre always shocked when it paints them in an unflattering light.
Oh, they would be pissed off, fer sure. But, why should the Catholic Church have any say regarding 1st amendment rights? The church has been obfuscating the truth for centuries. Besides, isnβt their tax free status permitted because they are supposed to be apolitical?
USA Johnson amendment sure is not dead but its in a deep artificial coma.
Which bullshit amendment is this, BH?
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The problem is that the Johnson Amendment hasn't been enforced in recent memory, despite the multiple violations by various religious organizations, most particularly evangelical churches and megachurches. I wrote Biden about that this past August and got a blow-off form letter response, which wasn't horribly encouraging.
You will have to ask Monsieur Johnson.
(I am the m in BHm, the BH was one of my Dogesses).
Sure, relate to the common man, Straw. Theater has been a bastion of truth in a world full of lies for centuries. Anyone remember on Game of Thrones how the minstrels would mock royalty with intense savagery during their street shows?
I (surprisingly) never read or watched Game of Thrones, so I am not familiar with what you are referring to.
McFelon meal.
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Following Trump's make-believe of "working" at a (closed) McDonald's, I've seen memes telling people to come to Burger King because they don't have clowns.
OTOH, Trump has long been known for serving up whoppers.
The Catholic Church in America is merely a money laundering machine for White Supremacists. They look the other way when backing a known sex offender like Trump but clutch their pearls with art?
Always.
The death of Jesus is very pointless if the sins he "died" for can still send someone to hell.
Take your time to think about that. Just WHY did he give up part of his weekend?
It's very simple: If we DON'T sin, he died for nothing.
He really didn't think that sacrifice through.
This church controls health care in many communities. Now they're trying to control entertainment, watering it down to some kind of 'Davy and Goliath' venue for insipid, church-approved programs.
I guess they won't be doing Beetlejuice or Dogma any time soon.
Beetleboobs will probably be disappointed.