Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. Few groups expect privilege quite like the conservative Christians in this country, who can never stop trying to mark their territory in the public square owned by everyone.
Why can’t they put it up on their own land? The land is only sacred to you because you pissed on it 50 years ago, not because it has any real meaning. When the land went to the city for a park, the cross should have moved elsewhere. And if the land was so sacred, the Lions Club should have gotten the whole thing, not just the cross.
So what if the city wants an unencumbered park? That’s part of having public spaces. The park belongs to the whole city, not just the Christians who throw temper tantrums whenever someone else gets attention.
Why can’t Christians just look the other way regarding LGBT people? Or mosques or any number of other things they flip out over?
Notice how when it comes to things like drag shows, pride parades etc etc they sure AF won't "just not look at it" instead they scream about it "being shoved down their throat". FFS they can't even handle BOOKS BEING ON SHELVES in a fucking library they even walk into. They can't even handle a BUSINESS selling t-shirts with a rainbow. But their giant death cult symbol must stay...
𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗜𝗦𝗘𝗟𝗬. Atheists have been saying this for AGES. That we now have a federal judge saying the same thing tells me that our message is finally starting to register with those who value State / Church separation.
I sincerely hope this is the pattern for things to come.
Cross or not cross, the city owning all the land where the park is except for a little plot is quite ridiculous. I hope the judge will rule in favor of the city.
Good to see that torture/execution eyesore taken down and no longer despoiling nature.
Wanna put these things up in public places, cristers? Then take one and have your fellow believers nail you up to hang there for a few hours of agony. See if you still think it's so great.
No, it's public land you've decided is "sacred." This is meaningless, especially to those of us who don't believe in christianity. Years ago, they were dropping crosses everywhere on public land, essentially acting like dogs claiming a fire hydrant by peeing on it. Google 'Mt. Soledad cross' to see the convoluted machinations that allows them to keep their cross, only labeled now as a 'Veterans' Memorial.' That argument happened in the 90s, I bet the results would be different these days.
"The cross never should have gone up in the first place."
So long as the plot of ground its on was private, there wasn't an issue. I mean, aside from the fact that it's rather tacky of you to force a torture symbol on your neighbors.
There are better ways to advertise your beliefs: Feeding the poor. Building houses for the homeless. Creating community gardens. Funding charitable health clinics. Planting fruit trees on your property and allowing people to harvest what they need from them. Funding a scholarship for students in need to go to college. Funding religiously neutral afterschool programs for children that need a safe space because their parent(s) work(s).
Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. Few groups expect privilege quite like the conservative Christians in this country, who can never stop trying to mark their territory in the public square owned by everyone.
Why can’t they put it up on their own land? The land is only sacred to you because you pissed on it 50 years ago, not because it has any real meaning. When the land went to the city for a park, the cross should have moved elsewhere. And if the land was so sacred, the Lions Club should have gotten the whole thing, not just the cross.
So what if the city wants an unencumbered park? That’s part of having public spaces. The park belongs to the whole city, not just the Christians who throw temper tantrums whenever someone else gets attention.
Why can’t Christians just look the other way regarding LGBT people? Or mosques or any number of other things they flip out over?
Notice how when it comes to things like drag shows, pride parades etc etc they sure AF won't "just not look at it" instead they scream about it "being shoved down their throat". FFS they can't even handle BOOKS BEING ON SHELVES in a fucking library they even walk into. They can't even handle a BUSINESS selling t-shirts with a rainbow. But their giant death cult symbol must stay...
𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟. 𝐼𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑, ℎ𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝐷𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑑 𝑜𝑟 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐶𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑏𝑙𝑎𝑧𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑙𝑏𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝐻𝑖𝑙𝑙, ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑙?
𝗣𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗜𝗦𝗘𝗟𝗬. Atheists have been saying this for AGES. That we now have a federal judge saying the same thing tells me that our message is finally starting to register with those who value State / Church separation.
I sincerely hope this is the pattern for things to come.
"𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑙𝑜𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑒𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑟𝑜𝑠𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑦, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢'𝑣𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑠𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔, 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑑. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑑𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑘𝑠, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝐼 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑤𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑡, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐼 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑖𝑡'𝑠 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑏𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑓𝑖𝑡."
An 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 recognizing and calling out Christian Privilege? I am truly impressed. Thank you, Mayor Tiedemann.
Cross or not cross, the city owning all the land where the park is except for a little plot is quite ridiculous. I hope the judge will rule in favor of the city.
Good to see that torture/execution eyesore taken down and no longer despoiling nature.
Wanna put these things up in public places, cristers? Then take one and have your fellow believers nail you up to hang there for a few hours of agony. See if you still think it's so great.
I think we should replace the cross with an electric chair, then everyone would be satisfied.
"It's sacred ground to us," they whine.
No, it's public land you've decided is "sacred." This is meaningless, especially to those of us who don't believe in christianity. Years ago, they were dropping crosses everywhere on public land, essentially acting like dogs claiming a fire hydrant by peeing on it. Google 'Mt. Soledad cross' to see the convoluted machinations that allows them to keep their cross, only labeled now as a 'Veterans' Memorial.' That argument happened in the 90s, I bet the results would be different these days.
BTW, I am a veteran. But I am NOT a christian!
I would think sitting under a cross is not a requirement for prayer. Those who want to pray there can still do it, right?
"The cross never should have gone up in the first place."
So long as the plot of ground its on was private, there wasn't an issue. I mean, aside from the fact that it's rather tacky of you to force a torture symbol on your neighbors.
There are better ways to advertise your beliefs: Feeding the poor. Building houses for the homeless. Creating community gardens. Funding charitable health clinics. Planting fruit trees on your property and allowing people to harvest what they need from them. Funding a scholarship for students in need to go to college. Funding religiously neutral afterschool programs for children that need a safe space because their parent(s) work(s).
"Me that's ugly!"
- Jesus
OT : I hear a cane and a familiar voice in the stairwell 😭
GA teacher fired. Of course she was. Can't be hav ing acceptance in GA. https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/georgia-teacher-faces-termination-after-reading-book-about-acceptance-to-class-185672261786?cid=eml_mda_20230629&user_email=2d93ea6ec2b54d8dbdfe1208627778ba780bdb482c6dcdff0f924f387cc932f7
The 3 Wit sisters. enjoy the laugh
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I can see this escalating to a higher court which would cite the Bladensburg precedent to say the cross has to go back up. Because tradition.