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𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑝𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑅𝑒𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑔𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑒, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑡—𝑜𝑟 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 ℎ𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑖𝑡.

I'm beginning to think the church 𝘪𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 hypocrisy.

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It's not about the children - except when it comes to pedos.

Drifting a bit here. My in-laws knew a catholic couple with 6 kids. Her 7th was a tubal pregnancy. She was advised by doctors to abort, otherwise, she would die. She talked to her priest, he advised against it. You know, god's will and doctrine stuff.

She died.

The husband was unable to take care of their six children and work full time, even here in England with a bit of an actual social safety net. Following the tragic death of the mother, the family was broken up and the children were sent to different foster homes. My in-laws lost contact with him after that, so no idea how they all turned out. One would hope that the various foster parents made an effort to ensure contact between the siblings.

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In a nearly identical case with a mormon pastor he actually told the pregnant woman to get an abortion because her children needed her.

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The happy ending is that the priest was promoted and lived happily ever after.

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But god was proud.

Nothing he likes more than abject suffering for his glory, after all.

*retch*

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He bragged about creating evil (Isaiah 45:7).

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You never know exactly which line of your resume might end up getting you the gig, after all.

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I doubt they invented it. More likely is that they stole it from someone else and put their own spin on it. ; )

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The 'Church' isn't old enough to have invented it, but they have certainly raised it to an art form.

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It's the money. Rey pays them maybe annually to rent the facility; they can afford to make an example of her. Their weekly members and the IVF babies they are raising into weekly attendees? That's a long term income stream, can't mess with that.

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The kids were conceived by IVF, and the church is very upset about that. It wouldn't stop the priests from diddling those kids though.

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Evil assholes would probably say it doesn't count since the kids were conceived "wrong".

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One would think that catholic priests would be delighted to have more victims - sorry, sheep - to choose from. I mean, is too much choice really a thing when it comes to pedophilia?

If children were being systematically abused at Denny's the way they have been abused for decades by the catholic church, Americans would burn down every single Denny's.

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What is an American Denny?

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It’s really better if you don’t know.

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A chain of 24 hour restaurants mostly specializing in low-quality breakfast foods.

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I like their pancakes. 🙂

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I prefer IHOP. Of course, I sprained my ankle (felt like broken glass the next day) in a pothole in a Denny's parking lot.

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Nov 13, 2023·edited Nov 13, 2023

The local gods Portage Bay Cafe and Original Pancake House for me (*sound of chef's kiss*)

(i do like IHOP)

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All the IHOPs in Minnesota seem to be concentrated around the Twin Cities. About three hours away from me. 😟

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When I want pancakes I go to MKCOTS 😋

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I like their Grand Slam breakfasts.

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It's where Waffle House regulars go when they want something upscale.

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No shitting on Waffle Houses!

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I'm a trucker. I have enjoyed both. But my statement stands. 😉

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When you really want upscale at 3 in the morning you go to IHOP.

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🍄

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I thought going to church was supposed to help folks become forgiven for their sins, not reserved only for folks who were perfect reflections of the dogma. But I guess the Catholic Church thinks it can afford to be selective in who gets to attend.

This was an opportunity to bring her into the fold and forgive her of her sin of having children. But, as usual, the church chooses the heartless option.

This complaint about IVF sounds like the mommy war and alpha male crap about folks who have c-sections aren’t really mothers and the children are impure or whatever. It shouldn’t matter how the child came into the world, the child is here and just as human as every other person. But then folks like this have a narrow definition of who gets to be people.

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I’ve never heard this about c-sections, but very little shocks me anymore. My kids will be surprised to hear I’m not really a mother, as they were both c-sections.

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I was born from a c-section. Either they didn't ask my parents or they didn't care when it came for me to be baptized.

The church didn't seem to care either when DM's grandmother only have her daughters baptized and not her sons.

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A stork dropped me off at my parents house. : )

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I was found in a cabbage patch.

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I was a wicked thought filled with ill-intent made flesh by the devil's drink.....

or more simply put, my parents got drunk.

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A mini-documentary about my siblings? :)

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Nope, about you. Because you don't discriminate when it comes to fun 😁

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I know this isn't remotely politically correct ... but I don't give a ripe dump! What about a BRIAR PATCH?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9oWq9zIXTY

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I delivered both my children via c-section because my first was breach and the risk of both of us dying from delivery was not worth trying and I was a part of a (religious) hospital group that refused VBACs (vaginal birth after cesarean). So, I had no choice in the manner in which I gave birth, yet I still get judged for it. I don’t think there’s necessarily a religious opposition to c-sections from the Catholic Church, but there’s some sects that do.

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DM didn't have a choice either we were both in distress and in real danger of dying. It took me 10 minutes to be able to breath by myself.

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But adopting a child is fine, even if that child was born out of wedlock. But people willing to ask for help and considerable expense to have a child are somehow evil.

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It's the Catholic church....what can you say? A good example of its silliness is how it can change doctrines on a dime. When I was a boy, eating meat on Fridays (fish only) was a mortal sin that would consign you to hell. Then one day the church decided to scrap that, so it went from a mortal sin to, at most, a venal sin. This Pope is slowly pulling back from, e.g., its stance on LGBT folks. It's all made up; where is it found in their Bible that in vitrio fertilization is wrong?

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It's right there in the book of the Prophet Pulleditouttamybutt.

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They did the exact same thing with Limbo, except that now, Limbo isn't even a thing, and I can't guess the number of parents who were out of their minds upset because their infant child died before it could be baptized.

That's the kind of cruelty that deserves thumbscrews and the rack.

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What was the George Carlin bit on that? Something along the lines of now the Church has changed it, no longer a sin, what about all those poor folks doing time in Purgatory on a bum rap?!?

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"It's not even a sin anymore to eat meat on Friday. But I'll betcha there are still some guys in Hell doing time on the meat rap. I thought it was retroactive. I had a baloney sandwich; this guy had beef jerky, right? How'd you like to do eternity for a beef jerky?"

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I'd expect the Catholic Church to be overjoyed at yet another woman who's cranking out more than 1 kid, so we can ruin the planet's ecosystem even faster.

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I remember going to church with a friend’s family (had to see what the hubbub was all about) and I was somewhat mesmerized by the incense waving. My friend’s mom reminded me for the umpteenth time I wasn’t to go up to take communion. As if. Kinda killed the mood. Also weird being like one of five people sitting alone when everyone went up to have a snack and beverage.

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Don't worry, you didn't miss anything worthwhile.

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https://imgflip.com/i/615va9

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"Catholic Catholic Catholic starts with Ceeeeeeee..."

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IIRC I went a few more times, the final straw being when a muckety muck (bishop, archbishop, cardinal?) visited that day and I was expected to kiss his ring if he extended it to me. Fuck that. I think he just shook my hand, but the experience scarred me for life.

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ALL ARE WELCOME!

(in tiny print) certain restrictions apply

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All currency are welcome.

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They welcome all denominations. Especially the 20 dollar bill.

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*cash only

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They'll take plastic...and as long as the check clears they ain't refusing it.

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I would really like to see someone who holds this view of “fertilized eggs = babies” respond to this thought experiment:

There is a hospital fire. You have to make a choice of rescuing either 100,000 fertilized eggs or a single newborn. Which do you save?

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Nov 13, 2023·edited Nov 14, 2023

That's the 𝘌𝘮𝘣𝘳𝘺𝘰 𝘘𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 from SF writer Patrick S. Tomlinson. Here it is in full:

Whenever abortion comes up, I have a question I’ve been asking for ten years now of the ‘Life begins at Conception’ crowd. In ten years, no one has EVER answered it honestly. It’s a simple scenario with two outcomes. No one ever wants to pick one, because the correct answer destroys their argument. And there IS a correct answer, which is why the pro-life crowd hates the question.

𝘏𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴. 𝘠𝘰𝘶’𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘤. 𝘞𝘩𝘺 𝘪𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵. 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘢𝘳𝘮 𝘨𝘰𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧𝘧. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘶𝘯 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘦𝘹𝘪𝘵. 𝘈𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘶𝘯 𝘥𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘢 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥 𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘣𝘦𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘸 𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘧𝘪𝘷𝘦-𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳-𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘱. 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘺’𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮. 𝘐𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘳, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘵 𝘢 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘻𝘦𝘯 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘢𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘥 ‘1000 𝘝𝘪𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘏𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘌𝘮𝘣𝘳𝘺𝘰𝘴.’

𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘮𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘬𝘦. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘣 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘤𝘶𝘮𝘣 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘮𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘥𝘪𝘦, 𝘴𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘯𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦. 𝘋𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘈) 𝘴𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥, 𝘰𝘳 𝘉) 𝘴𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘮𝘣𝘳𝘺𝘰𝘴? 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰 ‘𝘊.’ ‘𝘊 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘪𝘦.

In a decade of arguing with anti-abortion people about the definition of human life, I have never gotten a single straight A or B answer to this question. And I never will. They will never answer honestly, because we all instinctively understand the right answer is ‘A.’

A human child is worth more than a thousand embryos. Or ten thousand. Or a million. Because they are not the same, not morally, not ethically, not biologically. This question absolutely evicerates [sic] their arguments, and their refusal to answer confirms that they know it to be true.

No one, anywhere, actually believes an embryo is equivalent to a child. That person does not exist. They are lying to you. They are lying to you to try and evoke an emotional response, a paternal response, using false-equivalency.

No one believes life begins at conception. No one believes embryos are babies, or children. Those who cliam [sic] to are trying to manipulate you so they can control women. Don’t let them. Use this question to call them out. Reveal them for what they are. Demand they answer your question, and when they don’t, slap that big ol’ Scarlet P of the Patriarchy on them. The end.

https://www.boredpanda.com/pro-life-anti-abortion-argument-patrick-s-tomlinson/

Edited to add linky. :)

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Nov 13, 2023·edited Nov 13, 2023

I really hope they would save the newborn, but it's more likely they would save non of them.

Edit: The they here is the church. And I have no reason to believe they would not try to save the borned ones. I was just angry when I wrote it.

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That's the firefighter's job.

P.S. People who run into burning buildings to make sure there is nothing living in there are fucking heroes. People who hide behind cars while 4th graders are being shot at are the worst kind of motherfucking cowards.

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So much for the righty concept of 'good guy with a gun.'

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The school should have called the fire department.

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A tacit admission that the cops are not the good guys, maybe?

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This is especially true since the cowards had bullet-proof vests and possibly riot gear. Even if you had no other plan, there's always the zombie horde.

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No, the church would save the money first.

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So you think they might pull a George Costanza?

https://youtu.be/AC91reeH4Ls

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I could see Trump doing that if a fire meant it was either him or the kids.

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Sadly, I can see that too.

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I would save the baby of course, because the eggs are just little groups of tissue. The church would save the eggs because they’re “pre-born”, the dumbfuckiest word or phrase that ever was. Once you’re born = bootstraps. I know you all know this but just had to rant.

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The church would rush outside without saving either to make sure they were still alive to offer thoughts & prayers.

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Not without their bank books, they ain't.

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Eh, the baby's probably not carrying much cash.

The embryos even less so.

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when the RCC and FL have an abortion...

we say this all the time at this and other blogs, but nice Catholics need to wake up. form your own religion. New Catholics or something, but be yourselves. keep your faith if it's important, but remember: this can happen to you, for your "sins." which are whenever some dood in a funny hat and dress decides they are Extra Bad, and needs an example to distract from his own real ones, or to raise a few bucks for his little gang.

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It shouldn't be the Catholic Church, it should be the Church of Submission.

The idea that only special persons can communicate with an all encompassing, all knowing, all powerful, all loving being and then relate that communication to the rank and file tells you everything you need to know about this church, and any organization for that matter: https://youtu.be/WUV6wMZ-8Vs?si=4etqTiwS1WA6KQ6U

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Of course, it's the Church of Submission. They expect their parishioners to Pray, Pay, and Obey, and NEVER QUESTION. Problem is, that indoctrination has been slipping more and more lately, and people are getting sick and tired of an organization that arrogated authority it had never actually EARNED to itself.

What is really needed now is the hardest part: to get the laity to get in the face of the organization. I keep saying it won't happen, but keep an eye on the kids, 'cuz mostly, they ain't having any.

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Yeah, they are really blazing a trail aren't they? In fact they've shaken the pillars so badly the mainstream media puts out reports of wokeness and intolerance of points of view, when as you've said, they aren't taking anymore of the Bravo Sierra.

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Too late! Islam already claims submission as their thing, literally.

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Yeah yeah, God doesn't accept copyright.

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Actually, yhwh started the trend.

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IFV, same sex marriage, prophylactics, homosexuality, wokeness equals blasphemy!

Discrimination, the patriarchy, white Christian nationalism equals religious freedom!

What’s wrong with this picture???...:)

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"All (white cis-het conservative married couples who never had a doctor help with fertility) are welcome"

There. I fixed it.

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This whole thing makes me sick. I had triplet IVF kids (2 girls, 1 boy) in my class many years ago. The doctor implanted the 3 embryos, hoping at least one of them would "take," and all 3 did! Their parents gave them permission to tell their story during my sex ed course. It made me cry. :)

Fuck the Catholic Church and every other religion/organization that interferes with such a personal decision.

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The thing I find hypocritical here is the Church says it is Pro-life, yet condemn the woman and the science that allowed her to give life to 3 beautiful children. That science also gives those who want children a chance to have them. This who Pro-Life thing is a sham.

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It always has been.

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"I was shocked that I could be kicked out of somewhere for deciding I wanted to fight to have children and utilize resources around me.”

I was shocked that the leopards ate MY face.

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