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" This is a theory, okay? I'm just gonna say this: Geometry never existed…

You've got these angles you've got these shapes, supposably [sic], and they supposedly date back millions of years. And then, I think it's a bunch of nerds constructing this fantasy world that they think is awesome. Like, how do you know what the, like, number of a sides a triangle has? How do you know that the angle add up to 180 degrees? Like, how do you know those things, really? And, like, the different lengths of sides on rectangles and all that? How are you picking that up from measuring just two sides?…

If I were to pick, like, a theory, I'm, like, ugh, I could see geometry not being real."

Just as stupid Allie. Maybe, just maybe if you don't know something you should listen to the "nerds" instead of showing the world how stupid you are.

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I wish it was true, my school years would have been easier 🤣

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Actu ally, depending upon the kind of geometry youre employing, triangles do not add up to 180°.

Therefore Jesus exists.

Gotcha, atheist!

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In spherical geometry you can have a triangle with 3 right angles.

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Those bastards! Just when i thoughtI understood it all, they changed it.

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Look, if you can't solve the Kobon triangle problem, then why should I believe C = pi*D? Maybe nerds constructed this "pi" idea as a fantasy.

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I fantasize about pie.

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Harry Vanderspeigle Likes to dip his pie in oatmeal.

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Who doesn't?

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Piece of cake

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Pie are round!

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Aw, I liked the whole 'the universe is only five minute old' theory. Ah well.

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Not 5 minutes! Heretic!! It was Last Tuesday. Everyone knows that.

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Which last Tuesday ? GS, Matri, mine or NOGODZ ?

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So ... can we all say, "Argument from Ignorance / Incredulity," everyone? Merde, alors!

The Dunning-Kruger effect is bad enough in someone like Ken Ham, who almost certainly knows he's wrong, yet has WAY too much invested in his scam to pull out at this point. But when Ham meets someone like Stuckey, the love / stupidity fest just takes the above-cited argument to a whole 'nother level. Both of them are convinced of their rectitude. Neither of them are remotely interested in the actual facts about dinosaurs and how those who actually STUDY fossils come to understand the details that neither Ham nor Stuckey care about. Might as well hang up a sign:

MINDS CLOSED. DO NOT DISTURB.

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And putting together dinosaurs skeletons has a rich history, filled with trials and errors, who allow us to know the past of our planet.

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You just called our precious disk a planet. How could you?

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Turtles and elephants are a myth 😝

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If the Earth is flat how come it's hollow ? 😝

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Because it's flat and hollow to allow the waer to recirculate from the other side. The mountains at the rim, necessary for stability, stop it going round the edge and the world at the other side would suffer. (Not sure how.)

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"The whole problem with the world, is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, while wiser people are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell

I assume she's a young earth creationist by the way she attacks the science she clearly has no understanding of, while never putting forward any evidence to support her own claims. Creationists tend to believe they win by default if science can be discredited, and it never seems to register they have any obligation to prove their own point.

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My brother in law seems to believe that finding any kind of exception to an argument completely disproves it (assuming it's not his argument, then "that's different!" heh). It seems to be part of his black/white thinking, I wonder if that's common amongst YECs. I can easily see such types of fundamentalist's raised with that kind of us/them, right/wrong, God/evil thinking.

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Religion deals in absolutes, which may be where he's coming from. Science makes no such claims, and scientific theories are always subject to change given more complete information.

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Fair point. He's also a fan of the 'discredit the messenger, discredit the message' fallacy. Poisoning the well? What's that called when you do it afterwards instead of before?

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Ex post facto. One of many forms of specious reasoning.

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Years ago, I wrote in one of my essays, "Creationists know nothing of dinosaurs. No matter what they say, creationists know nothing of dinosaurs."

The video interview between these two nitwits absolutely proves it right here!

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Sep 6, 2023·edited Sep 6, 2023

I wrote it for everybody to see. It was part of an article I wrote for an old website I once managed years ago before I finally shut it down because I got tired of it. But the articles I wrote debunking creation lies is still there through archive.org. Search for stupiddinosaurlies.org on Archive.org and you'll find examples like here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131213063843/http://www.stupiddinosaurlies.org/

Last snapshot is here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140210195834/http://www.stupiddinosaurlies.org/

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Christians who inanely believe in an imaginary petulant pixie in the sky with absolutely no evidence whatsoever for its existence blindly, insanely deny the existence of dinosaurs that were very real and have a rather extensive mound of evidence to back up that existence.

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I personally think, they've run into something pretty common: science and religion don't mix well. In my case, science won, but in theirs, religion did.

I mean, sure, it's crazy when you get down to it, but the bottom line is that most folks find the predigested though processes so common to religion easy and convenient, as opposed to the mental work needed to deal with science. Yes, it's lazy, but it's also very human.

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As it's been pointed out, the debate between science and religion ended when the first church installed a lightning rod on its steeple.

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Sep 6, 2023·edited Sep 6, 2023

What do chickens, crocodiles, sea turtles, ostriches, snakes, sharks, crustaceans, bees, duck-billed platypuses and Tuatara lizards all have in common?

Say it with me, kids: They're all living descendants and relatives of dinosaurs. Some existed at the same time as the dinos.

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Sep 6, 2023·edited Sep 6, 2023

Birds aren't real.

https://birdsarentreal.com

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And if humans don't get their act together, bees (a keystone species) won't be real anymore.

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If humans don't get their act together *humans* won't be real anymore. Not even as Cassandra, who fancied herself the last pure human, though she looked like a hide hung up to dry.

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Allow me to recommend a wonderful novel: The Bees by Laline Paull

Goodreads summarizes it as “The Handmaid's Tale meets The Hunger Games in this brilliantly imagined debut.”

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18652002-the-bees

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Very satire. Or maybe tacos?

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They all taste like chicken.

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One of our oldest cousin still living is the horseshoe crab.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_fossil

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The thing that always does my head in the most is that there is always this element of "scientists are just believing what they want to believe" in their arguments. Now where would creationists be getting the idea that truth is this fungible thing and we just believe the version that makes us happy?!!!

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Every accusation is a confession.

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It's very frustrating to talk science with people who have no clue how science works. Reminds me of the old saying, "Never wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

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Of late I’ve been watching some Atheist Experience videos on YouTube. My god, some of those callers are worse than clueless.

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You don't need facts when you've been indoctrinated.

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She used "like," like six times.

https://youtu.be/R5Q1yVLSR3I

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I, like, Liked this.

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Like, totally.

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I can't find that guy. I'm getting desperate enough, I'm trying to figure out where I can get the $thousands for a matchmaker to find him. That's what I just spent my lunch hour doing.

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I, don't, don't like you anymore.

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Sep 7, 2023·edited Sep 7, 2023

So movies like Jurassic Park depict dinosaurs as having particular skin and particular coloring, and making all sorts of scary sounds, etc. and she asserts that that's impossible to determine from fossil bones, so IT'S ALL A FRAUD! IT'S ALL LIES! THEY NEVER EVEN EXISTED!

Okay, let's follow her line of "thinking" for want of a better term...

Speaking of something from so long ago that we can't possibly know what it looked like, there's this popular legend about a guy who supposedly did lots of amazing, magical, miraculous things, but we have no contemporary description of what he looked like, and we don't even have his bones. Yet there are tens of thousands of paintings and dozens of movies that depict him with a very precise, instantly identifiable face. It's impossible to know exactly what he looked like, so IT'S ALL A FRAUD! IT'S ALL LIES! HE NEVER EVEN EXISTED!

Keyboard drop.

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Pretty sure we have dinosaur skin these days at least small amounts. And feathers. But there is no cure for stoopid.

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Yes, we do have mud imprints of their skin, and beautiful fossils of feathers, and in rare cases, the fossilization is so fine that the particular shapes of fossilized proteins inside some of the fossil feathers suggest that they were responsible for particular colors of the living feathers.

I'm afraid that her case of stupid will be incurable as long as her affliction pays.

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If we don't know everything, then we know nothing.

So when they see scientists correct an error, they doubt everything that science has ever said about the subject. They "don't make mistakes" so they don't ever correct them. So they can't understand a system that knows it makes mistakes and corrects them when it realizes it has made a mistake.

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""...when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that "right" and "wrong" are absolute; that everything that isn't perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong. However, I don't think that's so....

....What actually happens is that once scientists get hold of a good concept they gradually refine and extend if with a greater and greater subtlety as their instruments of measurement improve. Theories are not so much wrong as incomplete..."

-Asimov, The Relativity of Wrong.

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They don't understand that science is a tool. An imperfect one, but the best one we have to show what is real and what is mere fantasy.

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You Can't Fix Stupid is an axiom science dares not confront.

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Carl von Linné’s original classification system was hierarchical and had God at its centre; literally, on the frontispiece of the earliest edition in my local library. A lot of the classifications are now seen as wrong and have been changed: Felis leo is now Panthera leo for example and the taxonomy is still subject to modification. Does that mean that the whole system has to be ditched? I still do not want to meet a hungry F. leo or P. leo.

In the Bible the world is still flat and pi is still 3 and that will make a difference.

Science is tentative. Show it is wrong and you could become world famous.

Religion is authoritative. Show it is wrong and you could be burned at the stake.

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Last I heard, and I'm no biologist, the lines between the classifications are getting pretty fuzzy.

Is there anything left in Felis besides the domestic cat?

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"Just a bunch of nerds creating a Jurassic fantasy."

Want a created fantasy? Try the beliefs of religions who assert their fantasies are real without a smidgen of hard, credible evidence.

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I will post answer in genesis response to your comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVdR19E5mU

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Sep 7, 2023·edited Sep 7, 2023

Every time I see Ham's Answers in Genesis, I want to ask him "Genesis 1 or Genesis 2? They conflict with each other." :)

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Like Genesis 1 was crossed in crayon with the word “cat” scribbled in.

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That whole collection of musty, purloined fables badly needed an editor or two.

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https://www.alternet.org/huckabee-slammed-bullets-civil-war/

How mainstream is this nong?

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Former governor, two-time POTUS candidate (in the primary, not the general), minister, father of the current governor of Arkansas...that's about as "non-fringe" and "non-obscure" as you can get.

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Homeland Security needs to pay this treasonous terrorist a visit.

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It's not even an original line, but ripped off from Malcolm X.

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Racists stealing from a dark-skinned man they despised.

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At least Malcolm X's comment, as inflammatory and unsettling as it was, was referring to civil rights for African-Americans, not people upset over Donald Trump facing justice.

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Exactly. Talk about a false equivalence by righties.

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It's all they know how to do anymore.

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Sep 7, 2023·edited Sep 7, 2023

They won't. People won't accept that these RWNJ aren't exaggerating when they call for violence until the bullets are whizzing past their heads.

"It can't happen here"

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What the RWNJs aren't prepared for is anyone who truly cares about this country shooting back at them. They can't grasp the notion that others are armed, too.

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Real Life has never factored into any aspect of their lives before, and they aren't going to start anytime soon.

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haven't any of you ever see the documentary called the Flintstones? It clearly shows man and dinosaur working together.

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It's a rockumentary.

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I will granite you that one.

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You are silt.

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that is a bunch of boulderdash

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I say we wipe the slate clean and start over.

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Do you want me to topaz it ?

I don't give a flint 😁

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Dinotopia was better.

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Sep 6, 2023·edited Sep 6, 2023

James Gurney's books? Yes. The TV version? Not so much.

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What about the documentary Dinosaurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K40SsKe0d8

They were more advanced than we thought. Teach the controversy!

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Or the Voth?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708878/

It has the science/dogma split, too.

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Christians have got to be the most scientifically illiterate, intellectually dishonest, unbelievably shallow, unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated and apparently quite proud of all these things.

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My opinion - Religion makes people stupid.

It doesn't apply to all but it certainly applies to many people, like these two creation dimwits in the video.

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Sep 6, 2023·edited Sep 6, 2023

Don't hold back – tell us what you really think!

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DAMN proud of it. FIFY

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I don't believe Christians are real. I don't. They are not real. They never existed. In spite of the thousands of churches that exist in every fucking place, from the smallest villages to the largest cities across the country!

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Haha! You are on to something. I've often wondered how many of those people in all those churches really, really believe. I mean they go to the doctor just like us heathens do when they get sick!

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