So you're also not okay with people eating pork or shellfish or cutting their hair or tattoos or wearing poly-cotton blends, et cetera, et cetera. Merde alors, what a load of horse manure.
I've never heard the King's Singers live, but their recordings are positively amazing for the enormous and varied span of their repertoire and the artful precision of their performances. That some Christian college would prefer to get bent out of shape about one member's sexual orientation speaks far more to that college's bigotry and narrow-mindedness than anything else.
The other really sad thing is that the students of Pensacola Christian College lost out in not being able to enjoy the King's Singers' performance. That they were robbed of that opportunity ticks me off very nearly as much as the stupidity of Pensacola Christian College's cancelling of the event.
Anyone else wondering about the student who "sounded the alarm"? He seemed a little freaked out. Worried about temptation, seeing a happy gay man in the flesh? Instead of the frightened, miserable gay men he meets on campus.
"I hate you because you're gay. I hate you because you're a gay singer. I hate you because you're, um, so cute and have such a nice body. I hate you because you have such a big, delicious, uncut....ooops, I mean because you're an abomination. Yeah, that's it, that's why I hate you. So there, you big, manly, gorgeous hunk of evil!"
OMG, the looney toones righties have been squawking about Sam Smithโs Grammy performance and just shifted right into Rihannaโs halftime show. Apparently, no one but them are allowed to wear red without being accused of Satan worship.
"Sincerely Held Beliefs" is just another propaganda dog whistle to display Christian hatred against people with different sexual orientation who do nothing to hurt people.
Heck! "Sincerely Held Beliefs" is the very same language Christian Bakers use as an excuse for refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple.
Sincerely Held Beliefs is a get out jail card. They believe it allows them to ignore any law they don't like. Unfortunately, this SCOTUS apparently agrees.
I'll rephrase it: Wait till the day comes when they use the phrase in court and, lo and behold, a much better SCOTUS would refuse buy it no matter how many times they repeat the phrase.
Even the people objecting to the cancelation get it wrong. Hannah writes, "Although, I can honestly say that I do not support that kind of lifestyle, I would never judge you."
Sounds like a judgement to me. And, it's not a "lifestyle".
If you're afraid that merely seeing a gay person sing a song will somehow make you gay... honey, I've got some ๐ฃ๐ข๐ฅ news about that small, dark room you're hiding in.
It sounds like what they are afraid of is their ticket money being used by him to eat, rent an apartment, etc. Because, y'know, if every Christian embargoed this gay person's performances forcing him into starvation and poverty, then he'd TOTALLY see the light, want to date girls and decide Christianity was the choice for him.
Or something. The saddest part of that nonsense being, the performers probably get pennies on the dollar out of the ticket price.
Speaking of that...hey PCC folks, have you ever thought about the fact that your money is actually mostly going to "support and condone" the gay men and women working for ticketmaster? The gay agents. The gay roadies. And, oh delicious irony, your money is "supporting and condoning their lifestyle" even when the artist/show you brought in is straight.
For a religion that claims to have an awesome god that is supposed to be their rock, strength and shield, Christians keep revealing themselves to be panicky little snowflakes over something that has no effect on their lives whatsoever.
Perhaps these scaredycats are secretly afraid of their own...urges. Who knew that gay people have more power over Christians than their own god?
Again with that word "lifestyle." A lifestyle requires a choice. Being gay (or straight or bi or any other sexual orientation) is not a choice. Wanna know what IS a lifestyle/choice, Christians? Your religion. All religions.
I came across an interview with Wallace Shawn, where he said he doesn't get humor. He said he could deliver lines that would cause people to laugh, but he does not understand why they laughed.
PCC also canceled a Lady Eagles basketball game. Turns out that one of the opposing player's second cousin's butcher's neighbor owns several Bette Midler albums.
โAlthough, I can honestly say that I do not support your lifestyle, I would never judge you.โ
Ha ha ha ha! Calling his orientation a lifestyle isnโt judging? Reducing him to his orientation isnโt judging? Sure, youโre upset over the cancellation but you still had to comment on his being gay. You are not much better than the school and nothing like your Jesus. But you are certainly Christian.
The performer's "lifestyle" consists of traveling around to different places, always on the road, communicating with audiences. Far less contact with friends and family than most, just the same group of guys for company the entire time.
Hmmm....yeah, that's definitely not a biblical lifestyle
You need to include "... not having hallucinations from their drugs where Jesus talks to them, even though they've never seen or heard this 'Jesus' before ..." to lock it in.
"The college cannot knowingly give an implied or direct endorsement of anything that violates the Holy Scripture"
Well in Matthew 19 Jesus says that everyone should be celibate, love their neighbor as themselves, and give away all their money. I doubt the President or any of the school's employed staff follow the first and third, and the school's cancellation is a direct refutation of the second (they let themselves go to the school, don't they?)
So, just another day in fundie hypocrisyville. As Bierce said, Christians are defined as people who think the Gospel's moral strictures are admirably suited for their neighbors.
Modern American Christianity: Love thy neighbor, 0%. Fear and hate gays, 100%.
From the King's Singers statement: "Our belief is that music can build a common language that allows people with different views and perspectives to come together."
But coming together with people of different views is EXACTLY what Christian fundies want to AVOID. They want their bubble to be pure, a blissful refuge of perfect conformity, cookie-cutter humanity.
Lots of luck dealing with the REAL WORLD after you graduate, kids. I'm sure that besides this issue, there are plenty of other things that you have been taught that will collide head-on with reality.
Whenever I think of the suburbs being conforming I think of the beginning of Edward Scissorhands when all the dads went to work in the morning. The whole movie is a commentary on the perils of conformity.
The beatniks, back in the 50s, were perfectly right to rail against conformity. It has been a hallmark of American life since WW2 at least, and it has damaged many more lives than it has enhanced.
I doubt this school will ever be able to book a group performance ever again now that they have set this precedent. There is no way they will find a single fine arts performance that doesnโt have at least one LGBT person participating.
Did some simple web research of the English Dept (above) and I wondered how they'd ever get a job that didn't involve changing urinal cakes in the rest rooms, McDs or otherwise.
I think it was the University of Woolamaloo MP sketch that had the chairman of the Philosophy Dept make clear that the new professor could teach any school of modern thought he wanted ..., as long he made sure he taught 'They were all Wrong!'
This 'college' extols their mission to distort everything through the lens and prisms of Christian Thought, ONLY.
"Itโs also a place where a book about classical art in the school library was marked up with a Sharpie in order to censor scandalous thingsโฆ like the cleavage of Mona Lisa."
The first thing (or the last, or anywhere in between) I think of when I see the Mona Lisa isn't nice rack.
I wonder how they'd go on Hieronymus Bosch's pictures of hell. It might be okay for them โ it's hell after all. Lots of awkward stuff in hell no doubt.
If they can't handle The King's Singers, what would they ever make of Rammstein (especially the original studio video of "Mann Gegen Mann." Or "Buck Dich" from the video of "Live Aus Berlin (Unzensiert)."
Rammstein have always stood in solidarity with LGBTQs. When they performed in Russia, the two guitar players locked lips to protest that country's anti-LGBTQ law.
The King's singers for crying out loud โ you couldn't get a more uncontroversial lot than that I would have thought. It's not as if they're biting the heads of parrots or whatever. I've been listening to them on and off for years. Their music is ... the only word I can think of is benign. Surprised that a school could afford them mind. I sincerely hope they get paid, and have a nice day off with their feet up.
They were the 'sophisticated, European' version of the Mitch Miller Singers 'back in the day', by parent's record collection, although they didn't have the subtitles you could sing along with.
"The highly talented musicians were treated with dignity and respect when informed of the cancellation. The artists stated their understanding and acceptance of the change and were given full remuneration."
In my experience as a christian minister, very few christians of any background know as much about their magic book as you do, Nogodz. I have known a multitude of christians across the theological spectrum. Damn few have ever read a whole gospel, let alone being familiar with the whole text of the wholly babble.
I'd add that every clergyman I've ever known well enough for them to open up and be truthful has admitted to me that they really don't believe most of what they preach. They keep doing it because 1) it's a pretty fair, very easy to make a living, and 2) they convince themselves that it gives their congregations order, stability and like that.
๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ญ๐ญ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ญ๐บ ๐จ๐ช๐ท๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ณ๐ฆ๐ค๐ต ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ข๐ฏ๐บ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ท๐ช๐ฐ๐ญ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ฐ๐ญ๐บ ๐๐ค๐ณ๐ช๐ฑ๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ...
So you're also not okay with people eating pork or shellfish or cutting their hair or tattoos or wearing poly-cotton blends, et cetera, et cetera. Merde alors, what a load of horse manure.
I've never heard the King's Singers live, but their recordings are positively amazing for the enormous and varied span of their repertoire and the artful precision of their performances. That some Christian college would prefer to get bent out of shape about one member's sexual orientation speaks far more to that college's bigotry and narrow-mindedness than anything else.
The other really sad thing is that the students of Pensacola Christian College lost out in not being able to enjoy the King's Singers' performance. That they were robbed of that opportunity ticks me off very nearly as much as the stupidity of Pensacola Christian College's cancelling of the event.
Anyone else wondering about the student who "sounded the alarm"? He seemed a little freaked out. Worried about temptation, seeing a happy gay man in the flesh? Instead of the frightened, miserable gay men he meets on campus.
Closet case. I've little doubt that this student takes tea with Mr. Tumnus on a frequent basis.
No, no, no, that's his youth counselor and it's all about, um, er, christian therapy. Yeah, that's it, christian therapy.
"I hate you because you're gay. I hate you because you're a gay singer. I hate you because you're, um, so cute and have such a nice body. I hate you because you have such a big, delicious, uncut....ooops, I mean because you're an abomination. Yeah, that's it, that's why I hate you. So there, you big, manly, gorgeous hunk of evil!"
See, I prefer cut. I think it looks better. Of course, looks aren't sufficient reason to perform unnecessary surgery on an infant that can't consent.
The singers are from the UK, where mutilating male children isn't much of a thing.
Damn Puritans, both colonial and modern and every era in-between.
OT: Speaking of modern Puritans, I'm disappoint this year's SB ads didn't give Monica something to wring her hands over.
OMG, the looney toones righties have been squawking about Sam Smithโs Grammy performance and just shifted right into Rihannaโs halftime show. Apparently, no one but them are allowed to wear red without being accused of Satan worship.
Trust her, false morticia will find something to criticise.
Rihanna did. ๐
They didn't seem to call for your murder. Don't tell me you expect them to let you have a happy life too ? s/
I think I'd put money on that being part of the curriculum.
"Sincerely Held Beliefs" is just another propaganda dog whistle to display Christian hatred against people with different sexual orientation who do nothing to hurt people.
Heck! "Sincerely Held Beliefs" is the very same language Christian Bakers use as an excuse for refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple.
Sincerely Held Beliefs is a get out jail card. They believe it allows them to ignore any law they don't like. Unfortunately, this SCOTUS apparently agrees.
Wait till the day comes when they use the phrase in court and, lo and behold, a judge refuses buy it no matter how many times they repeat the phrase.
It'll get turned over on appeal to SCOTUS. Several already have.
I'll rephrase it: Wait till the day comes when they use the phrase in court and, lo and behold, a much better SCOTUS would refuse buy it no matter how many times they repeat the phrase.
Probably not in my lifetime unless there is a very fortuitous accident in the near future.
Let's tell Netanyahu they're all Amalekites. He'd have Mossad take them out in a heartbeat.
Let's see, Google Translate, Junior High German class combined with local accents as child ...
"Aufrichtig Vertretene รberzeugungen!!"
Yeah, it'd go good with the background-music at the Nuremberg rallies ...
That same baker, Jack Phillips, is now in court for refusing to bake a cake for a trans customer.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/jack-phillips-masterpiece-cakeshop-lakewood-transgender/
At best, they'll punt again. At worst, they'll say everyone has a right to deny service to "filthy trannies"
Even the people objecting to the cancelation get it wrong. Hannah writes, "Although, I can honestly say that I do not support that kind of lifestyle, I would never judge you."
Sounds like a judgement to me. And, it's not a "lifestyle".
She's slowly working her way out of the brainwashing.
If you're afraid that merely seeing a gay person sing a song will somehow make you gay... honey, I've got some ๐ฃ๐ข๐ฅ news about that small, dark room you're hiding in.
It sounds like what they are afraid of is their ticket money being used by him to eat, rent an apartment, etc. Because, y'know, if every Christian embargoed this gay person's performances forcing him into starvation and poverty, then he'd TOTALLY see the light, want to date girls and decide Christianity was the choice for him.
Or something. The saddest part of that nonsense being, the performers probably get pennies on the dollar out of the ticket price.
Speaking of that...hey PCC folks, have you ever thought about the fact that your money is actually mostly going to "support and condone" the gay men and women working for ticketmaster? The gay agents. The gay roadies. And, oh delicious irony, your money is "supporting and condoning their lifestyle" even when the artist/show you brought in is straight.
Sounds like the gas-station/barbershop talk about Sesame Street.
They really just hated that show, especially because it taught kids how to spell gooder and count bigger than they could.
โespecially because it taught kids how to spell gooder and count bigger than they could.โ
Especially because it taught brown kids how to spellโฆ.
FTFY
For a religion that claims to have an awesome god that is supposed to be their rock, strength and shield, Christians keep revealing themselves to be panicky little snowflakes over something that has no effect on their lives whatsoever.
Perhaps these scaredycats are secretly afraid of their own...urges. Who knew that gay people have more power over Christians than their own god?
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/gay_shield.jpg
Isn't it amazing how YHVH is constantly punishing the bible belt weather-wise, but gives Pride Parades lots of sunshine?
I regret that I only have one upvote to give that.
DM when I told her "Quels cons !"
She didn't know The King's Singers but like them after I had her listen to a couple songs.
I've been a fan of theirs since I first heard them back in the 60s.
I tried too but I was not ready at that time ๐
Edited to add content.
Again with that word "lifestyle." A lifestyle requires a choice. Being gay (or straight or bi or any other sexual orientation) is not a choice. Wanna know what IS a lifestyle/choice, Christians? Your religion. All religions.
Lifestyle. You keep using that word...
๐๐ก๐๐ข๐ก๐๐๐๐ฉ๐๐๐๐!!!
[sorry ... I just HAD to!]
I came across an interview with Wallace Shawn, where he said he doesn't get humor. He said he could deliver lines that would cause people to laugh, but he does not understand why they laughed.
So he was perfectly cast as a Ferengi.
"Not much fun in Stalingrad, no ..."
"I don't like the sound of these 'ere boncentration bamps."
Me too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwdWnwoXUuk
PCC also canceled a Lady Eagles basketball game. Turns out that one of the opposing player's second cousin's butcher's neighbor owns several Bette Midler albums.
At least it wasn't Barbara albums.
What do you have against a French singer you probably never heard of ? ๐
She's French. Next question.
Are you ready for DM wrath ?
I went with Bette because of that one Seinfeld episode.
โAlthough, I can honestly say that I do not support your lifestyle, I would never judge you.โ
Ha ha ha ha! Calling his orientation a lifestyle isnโt judging? Reducing him to his orientation isnโt judging? Sure, youโre upset over the cancellation but you still had to comment on his being gay. You are not much better than the school and nothing like your Jesus. But you are certainly Christian.
The performer's "lifestyle" consists of traveling around to different places, always on the road, communicating with audiences. Far less contact with friends and family than most, just the same group of guys for company the entire time.
Hmmm....yeah, that's definitely not a biblical lifestyle
You need to include "... not having hallucinations from their drugs where Jesus talks to them, even though they've never seen or heard this 'Jesus' before ..." to lock it in.
"The college cannot knowingly give an implied or direct endorsement of anything that violates the Holy Scripture"
Well in Matthew 19 Jesus says that everyone should be celibate, love their neighbor as themselves, and give away all their money. I doubt the President or any of the school's employed staff follow the first and third, and the school's cancellation is a direct refutation of the second (they let themselves go to the school, don't they?)
So, just another day in fundie hypocrisyville. As Bierce said, Christians are defined as people who think the Gospel's moral strictures are admirably suited for their neighbors.
I'm willing to bet they encourage prayer in public, too! It'd cost too much to make all the closets on campus big enough to pray in.
Modern American Christianity: Love thy neighbor, 0%. Fear and hate gays, 100%.
From the King's Singers statement: "Our belief is that music can build a common language that allows people with different views and perspectives to come together."
But coming together with people of different views is EXACTLY what Christian fundies want to AVOID. They want their bubble to be pure, a blissful refuge of perfect conformity, cookie-cutter humanity.
Lots of luck dealing with the REAL WORLD after you graduate, kids. I'm sure that besides this issue, there are plenty of other things that you have been taught that will collide head-on with reality.
What was it that Christopher Hitchens said? โReligion poisons EVERYTHINGโ ... even MUSIC!!!
cookie-cutter conformity is popular, look at most suburbs.
Whenever I think of the suburbs being conforming I think of the beginning of Edward Scissorhands when all the dads went to work in the morning. The whole movie is a commentary on the perils of conformity.
The beatniks, back in the 50s, were perfectly right to rail against conformity. It has been a hallmark of American life since WW2 at least, and it has damaged many more lives than it has enhanced.
Conform or be cast out!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d23ba04298184acb96ee4be7a7f6ef7d177fb462257ed685d29e34e5647eb70.jpg
It's also inexpensive, and often not just cheap if you do your research.
And, then you can afford the riches on the inside, not the outside. Even astronomical telescopes get stored inside, as do the chocolate truffles.
Christian fundies want to avoid people with different views from coming together?
Explain crusades and those loooong wars then (e.g., 30 Years and 100 Years).
I doubt this school will ever be able to book a group performance ever again now that they have set this precedent. There is no way they will find a single fine arts performance that doesnโt have at least one LGBT person participating.
The Osmonds?
Oh, fine art.
How sure are we about Donny?
Not very.
I have a list for them. Dave, Juliette Noureddine, Hoshi, Bilal Hassani.
How are these snowflakes going to function in the real world? I mean, ANYONE could be gay!
Did some simple web research of the English Dept (above) and I wondered how they'd ever get a job that didn't involve changing urinal cakes in the rest rooms, McDs or otherwise.
I think it was the University of Woolamaloo MP sketch that had the chairman of the Philosophy Dept make clear that the new professor could teach any school of modern thought he wanted ..., as long he made sure he taught 'They were all Wrong!'
This 'college' extols their mission to distort everything through the lens and prisms of Christian Thought, ONLY.
https://www.redmeat.com/max-cannon/nourishing-nectar-nubbins/Content?oid=3433308
"Itโs also a place where a book about classical art in the school library was marked up with a Sharpie in order to censor scandalous thingsโฆ like the cleavage of Mona Lisa."
The first thing (or the last, or anywhere in between) I think of when I see the Mona Lisa isn't nice rack.
Even Peabody and Sherman managed to help Leonardo da Vinci get her smile right. :)
I wonder if they ever heard of "L'origine du monde" by Gustave Courbet ๐
Wonder if they've heard of even the Olde Tyme editions of The Sears Catalog.
I wonder how they'd go on Hieronymus Bosch's pictures of hell. It might be okay for them โ it's hell after all. Lots of awkward stuff in hell no doubt.
If they can't handle The King's Singers, what would they ever make of Rammstein (especially the original studio video of "Mann Gegen Mann." Or "Buck Dich" from the video of "Live Aus Berlin (Unzensiert)."
Rammstein have always stood in solidarity with LGBTQs. When they performed in Russia, the two guitar players locked lips to protest that country's anti-LGBTQ law.
What's the song where they come onstage with a collar and a leash ?
Oh, that's "Mein Teil" (they did it in the video too, coming out of a subway).
Rammsteins too tame. Show them some of Rockbitch's videos. ๐
The original video of Rammstein's "Pussy" was pure XXX porn, with all 6 band members performing graphic sexual acts.
Good luck in finding an uncensored copy.
Who ?
The uncensored version of "Pussy" tame ? I am very curious about your browser history ๐ค
You never lose The Sheeples' attention if you mix in some incubuses or succubi.
Harry Bosch, the homicide detective?
Wow, so not a stop for "The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies, World Tour 2023", then?!
Sacre Bleu!!
For the Mona Lisa, I think of the eyebrows someone prolly 'unrestored' during a restoration, like the Jesus fresco in Borja, Spain.
https://www.chrismoore.com/books/sacre-bleu/
"Fake News!"
"Allo 'allo, zees eez Night'awk. Are you receiving?"
The King's singers for crying out loud โ you couldn't get a more uncontroversial lot than that I would have thought. It's not as if they're biting the heads of parrots or whatever. I've been listening to them on and off for years. Their music is ... the only word I can think of is benign. Surprised that a school could afford them mind. I sincerely hope they get paid, and have a nice day off with their feet up.
Chanticleer is Death Metal compared to them!
They were the 'sophisticated, European' version of the Mitch Miller Singers 'back in the day', by parent's record collection, although they didn't have the subtitles you could sing along with.
I really hope they sue for breach of contract.
"The highly talented musicians were treated with dignity and respect when informed of the cancellation. The artists stated their understanding and acceptance of the change and were given full remuneration."
Apparently they were paid.
More than 10 years ago, I could buy a ticket for a Johnny Clegg concert in a small venue for less than 30 โฌ.
Still waiting for Christians to quote a single passage in the 4 gospels where Jesus condemns homosexuals/ homosexuality.
Religious hypocrites? THOSE he condemns. Homosexuals? Not a word.
In my experience as a christian minister, very few christians of any background know as much about their magic book as you do, Nogodz. I have known a multitude of christians across the theological spectrum. Damn few have ever read a whole gospel, let alone being familiar with the whole text of the wholly babble.
I remain flabbergasted that atheists know supposedly sacred texts far better than the adherents to those texts do.
Are they truly that lazy? Why am I asking?
Laziness, plus the fact that the material is boring, obtuse and contradictory.
I'd add that every clergyman I've ever known well enough for them to open up and be truthful has admitted to me that they really don't believe most of what they preach. They keep doing it because 1) it's a pretty fair, very easy to make a living, and 2) they convince themselves that it gives their congregations order, stability and like that.
And for me, by the end, a pension account in Evanston, Illinois with my name on it.