Did Heine Bros fire her fir being a Christian? No. They fired her for using her Christianity to create a hostile work environment. Did they violate the First Amendment? Last I checked, a private business is not the government.
Any reasonable judge, after looking past her assertions to what actually happened, should toss this frivolous lawsuit.
That the 1A restricts government and only government is a fact I find myself repeating ad nauseum at Christian Post. Then I point out that wanting government to go after private employers about religion isn’t very conservative, is it? More like authoritarian.
I’ve had the Satan’s dictionary comment too. Specifically, the word and definition in question was “murder”. A key element of the def is that the killing is illegal. Hence, a legal abortion is not murder. “It is in Jesus’ dictionary. You’re using Satan’s dictionary.”
Naturally, I asked for a link to the Jesus dictionary. Crickets.
I know exactly what you mean. “Bespoke” definitions are all the rage with fundamentalists, in my experience. Starting with “Christian”. Lots of bagpipes!
So I baited someone at CP by noting that so many commenters there inaccurately said abortion is murder, knowing he was one of them. He replied that abortion is murder under gods law. Then I asked him why he thought non-standard definitions helped with clear communication. Here’s what I got back:
“ Non-standard definitions are meaningless to me when contradicting the WORD OF GOD.
I need to get my Biblical balances and priorities in perspective with Gods' lest I lead people astray. I'm a retired lecturer and my standards had to be top quality to be accepted. I'm not going to lower those standards for anyone. The WORD OF GOD is my all-time Hallmark, and HIS word is all sufficient. The Holy Spirit and God are my teachers for a closer walk with Him and deeper, richer relationship to tabernacle in harmony and unity. Moriel:
I'm a Christian Conference speaker and ordained Elder so cannot afford to feed those whom God has entrusted me with a Ministry to dish out menus of menial unbiblical definitions. Amen!”
First I noted that I wasn’t as arrogant as he is as I don’t seek to rewrite dictionaries.
I then observed that I have been admitted as an expert witness in courts of law in three jurisdictions and I would have been disqualified as an expert if I relied upon idiosyncratic definitions. Waiting for a response.
In the department of bragging about myself, a judge in Virginia relied upon my testimony more than 25 years ago to overturn existing case law. I check every year. The “Maltnothops” testimony is still the law in this particular circumstance.
I really should start documenting the personalized definitions I come across on CP. Right now I'm arguing that Messianic Jews are not actually Jewish in any religious sense. Culturally? I'll buy that. But we have a word in English for people who think Jesus is the Messiah and "Jew" ain't the word.
"MJs" are Christians who employ Jewish rituals in their practice of their Christian faith.
"dictionaries and encyclopedias are books that are written by the devil"
Since when? Where in the world did they ever get such made up, preposterous nonsense about dictionaries and encyclopedias being of the Devil from? All while looking up Google which is an online dictionary itself?
I'm sorry for being vague, John. I can't imagine a "true Christian" walking away from money. By that point, most of the work was done and he didn't really have to be there at all. (It all felt a bit performative to me. Who knows? How does the song go, "Nobody knows, but Jesus."?)
There are some issues with this house, but my parents wouldn't ever have been likely to sue, and they're both gone now. (Besides, the family grew tobacco for some 150+ years, and some still do. Shame can be a powerful drug....)
I posted the dictionary definition of "polygamy" to a 'christian' which he insisted only meant a "Man with multiple wives", there are in fact three types, according to the dictionary. He said it didn't matter because everyone only ever used the one he did. You cannot communicate with persons who use antonyms instead of synonyms.
I'm so tired of people bringing up 1A on all sides of the spectrum, but especially right wing people because they claim it as part of their personality... 1A protects you from the government, not friends, family or your employer.
Just recently someone was arrested for standing on a public sidewalk and shouting, without amplification, at the church in St. Paul where a minister is also an ICE employee. The church Don Lemon was at but this was a separate incident. Charges were dismissed by a judge almost immediately.
CP commenter invoked 1A. I hastened to point out that government was not restricting the church in any way at all but arresting someone engaging in free speech on a public sidewalk might well be a violation of 1A. No response.
Well they start from the position that they are inherently right and everyone else is wrong... That is why hypocrisy rolls off their back, like water off a ducks arse.
Maybe her ultimate goal is to get a bunch of right winger donations through GoFund Me, or some other site. Everyone’s looking for an opportunity these days, even rich people.
Uh, she might have the First Amendment part wrong, but she could absolutely have a plausible claim under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I think it's probably a loser, but it strikes me as an issue of fact, not law.
There is no hate like Christian love. To tell her coworker not that she had to stop intimate relations with her partners, but that she had to 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘱 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮 if she became a Christian is downright cruel. Basically, Ms Roger's told her coworker that becoming a Christian means you must stop caring about the people you currently care about. Is it any wonder that she was seen as offensive and hostile?
We also don't really know what they said, Christians like Ms. Rogers are perpetual victims and know that they probably won't win in court so they want to win in the court of public opinion. The fact that she immediately went to First Liberty, Fox and NewsMax tells you all you need to know.
WE don’t know what they said (both parties), but apparently the security footage says that the company does. “I couldn’t tell them about how it was worded” - sweetie, you don’t have to, the higher ups have seen it. 🙄
“I shared my own testimony with her. I shared how God had saved me and changed my life, and that it is God who changes your heart when you become saved,” she Christ-splained to her colleague."
Several years ago, I found one employee literally preaching in the barn. When I asked him to come to the office to talk about it, he got incensed and told me the "word of God" was more important than getting his tasks done. So I gave him a warning, sent him off back to work and then started documenting. Within a month, I fired him for poor work performance.
THEN I had people coming to me talking about the shit he said to them. I should have gotten rid of him sooner.
I’ve shared this before so apologies. I had a colleague who was Hindu. We had a very friendly, joking around relationship. She was the first (and only) Hindu I’ve ever had more than a passing acquaintanceship with. One day she and I were alone in the break room. I asked her for permission to ask her about Hinduism. She became visibly tense and uncomfortable. I quickly assured her that I had no interest in trying to change her religion. Told her I’m atheist and married to a Jew. I asked if other people had tried to convert her and she said yes. I told her I didn’t know much about Hinduism and I hoped she could help educate me. She agreed as long as we were the only people in the room. As time went on she started asking me about Christianity and Judaism and I did my best to explain the variations of those religions.
And we laughed about the fundie Christians. Her version of Hinduism was, in short, almost anything goes.
Once again, these brainwashed Christians can’t understand that when they proclaim their silly beliefs, it might make others uncomfortable.
They claim they’re just doing the “Lords work” and have been convinced they have right on their side.
They don’t.
They apparently they will never understand that they still have their right to freedom of religion, and that the rest of us have an equal right to be free FROM religion.
The evangelicals are the first people to claim they’re being persecuted any time they are being prevented from forcing their views on others. I don’t know the particulars of this case, but it seems obvious she should have been aware of some boundaries. Over my more than forty years in the workplace, I had numerous people try to share their religion with me. To an individual, they never seemed to have any understanding they might be doing something inappropriate for the workplace. They are always the victims. That shared persecution complex is one of the things organized religion uses to survive.
Years ago I use to get peppered with testimonies and questions asking where I went to church and the comments got more aggressive if I was honest saying I was an atheist so I stopped being honest and I played along. I found the name of a local church near where I lived and I would just give them the fake name. One employer had a strict no religion rule while on the clock and this woman in the cubicle next to mine had a large shrine to Jesus and she kept trying to convert me so I brought in some Humanist and atheist items for my desk and she complained to the boss about my religious items and how it mocked her. The boss told us we both violated the rule so she had to remove her shrine.... (LOL) my work was done.
I do not for a moment believe that her coworkers asked her to proselytize them. 𝘕𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 would ask that. No one enjoys being preached to as a captive audience, as they would be in the workplace. They'd just start going to fucking church if they were interested in converting; churches are 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦. They probably passed at least six of 'em just on their morning commute. Plus, Christianity so completely saturates our culture that I can't believe that anyone living within our borders could possibly 𝘯𝘰𝘵 know at least the Cliff's Notes version of the religion, and if they want to read the scripture for themselves, bibles are available in every single bookstore, library, and church in the land. And also a disconcerting number of other places 𝘯𝘰𝘵 otherwise related to books or religion.
I can see a coworker being curious about just how devout her religion is; it can be interesting to listen to someone with a wildly different worldview outline it for you, after all (well, up until they reveal that they're a wretched stinking bigot who hates you and everyone you care about, anyway)... but no, I do not believe that Ms. Rogers was ever even 𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦 asked to start preaching. She most probably was asked "what, exactly, do you believe?" and her little fundie pea-brain interpreted that as "tell me why I should believe it too." Not every invitation to discourse is a request for a sales pitch... but since spreading their religion is a core tenet of a fundie's faith, they treat every conversation as an opportunity to win converts.
What needs to be uncovered here would be, to quote Paul Harvey, the rest of the story. We clearly need to hear from those employees who interacted with Paige and what they took away from those conversations. Thus far, all we are getting is Paige's skewed view of these interactions, and that is nowhere near sufficient.
Joe Michael Straczynski once said that understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth. Let's at least get the first two clear, please.
Ugh, Paul Harvey?! Shameless pusher of the shittiest, yet expensive, bottom of the frequency response spectrum of music reproduction BOSE crap radio? That Paul Harvey? A Memory Lane ear ache.
Even when I was the most fundamentalist of fundamentalists, I DID NOT DISCUSS MY RELIGIOUS FAITH AT WORK. I was not being paid to preach. I was being paid to do my job and do my job in an environment with a diverse workforce. Personal life discussions were held on a surface level: TV shows, books, movies, talk about kids and spouses, weekend plans. Friendly, small talk.
Because we were there to work, not talk.
This is not that hard.
You are being paid money to do a list of tasks. Stick to that list of tasks, not preach or bring drama.
“They talked about college, which led to a conversation about Boyce, which led to a conversation about her fundamentalist Christian beliefs.”
So, it’s possible that she brought up her college in order to direct the conversation to her beliefs. I know that I tend to direct conversations towards myself, I am working on that but it is a difficult journey, and I know that there are others who often do this as well. For the evangelical type sects, they are trained to do this at all times, direct conversations towards their relationship with God and how (how did she put it?) she was saved. It’s like talking to a friend who recently bought into an MLM, every complaint can be turned into a commercial. “Oh, I didn’t get to sleep until late last night, I’m so tired.” “Well, it sounds like you don’t get enough remitolinoids in your diet, you should try these BigMoney supplements I discovered, I am never tired anymore and it’s because of these wonderful supplements.” And then, when all their friends are pulling away, complaining about the pyramid scheme, the MLM friend goes on a rant claiming it’s not a scheme it’s a way of life, and these supplements really work and blah blah blah. But instead of supplements it’s god. They don’t see how insufferable they are.
I am guessing that the footage of the conversations will bury her, but since she’s filed a claim, the business has to stay quiet for now. I’m not hopeful the EEOC will find in the business’ favor because there’s Heritage Foundation’s agenda of pushing Christianity on the country, which might overrule the agenda to allow businesses free rein in exploiting workers. Or, we might be surprised not surprised that they will find this as a way to empower businesses more and rule against her. I am not hopeful that actual justice will happen, and they side for truth, they just might make the right decision for the wrong reasons.
𝑆ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 “𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑦 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡.”
Did Heine Bros fire her fir being a Christian? No. They fired her for using her Christianity to create a hostile work environment. Did they violate the First Amendment? Last I checked, a private business is not the government.
Any reasonable judge, after looking past her assertions to what actually happened, should toss this frivolous lawsuit.
That the 1A restricts government and only government is a fact I find myself repeating ad nauseum at Christian Post. Then I point out that wanting government to go after private employers about religion isn’t very conservative, is it? More like authoritarian.
And of course, they push back with "Christian Nation" nonsense.
You got it. It is utterly predictable.
It's really embarrassing when they claim to be a teacher, pushing that nonsense.
I used to argue with my super religious brother about this for ages. He couldn't fathom that the 1A doesn't apply to anyone but the govt.
Granted my brother has ASD. But no one else has a good excuse lol
I’ve had the Satan’s dictionary comment too. Specifically, the word and definition in question was “murder”. A key element of the def is that the killing is illegal. Hence, a legal abortion is not murder. “It is in Jesus’ dictionary. You’re using Satan’s dictionary.”
Naturally, I asked for a link to the Jesus dictionary. Crickets.
If it wasn’t for hypocrisy, they wouldn’t have hippos at all!
I know exactly what you mean. “Bespoke” definitions are all the rage with fundamentalists, in my experience. Starting with “Christian”. Lots of bagpipes!
So I baited someone at CP by noting that so many commenters there inaccurately said abortion is murder, knowing he was one of them. He replied that abortion is murder under gods law. Then I asked him why he thought non-standard definitions helped with clear communication. Here’s what I got back:
“ Non-standard definitions are meaningless to me when contradicting the WORD OF GOD.
I need to get my Biblical balances and priorities in perspective with Gods' lest I lead people astray. I'm a retired lecturer and my standards had to be top quality to be accepted. I'm not going to lower those standards for anyone. The WORD OF GOD is my all-time Hallmark, and HIS word is all sufficient. The Holy Spirit and God are my teachers for a closer walk with Him and deeper, richer relationship to tabernacle in harmony and unity. Moriel:
I'm a Christian Conference speaker and ordained Elder so cannot afford to feed those whom God has entrusted me with a Ministry to dish out menus of menial unbiblical definitions. Amen!”
First I noted that I wasn’t as arrogant as he is as I don’t seek to rewrite dictionaries.
I then observed that I have been admitted as an expert witness in courts of law in three jurisdictions and I would have been disqualified as an expert if I relied upon idiosyncratic definitions. Waiting for a response.
In the department of bragging about myself, a judge in Virginia relied upon my testimony more than 25 years ago to overturn existing case law. I check every year. The “Maltnothops” testimony is still the law in this particular circumstance.
Yes. That is deliberate on the part of the myth teachers. To keep their flock from understanding reality.
Dictionaries may be "written by the devil ," but I can't help but notice the Christians use the words in those dictionaries all the time.
Just what is up with that?
it's a mystery
I really should start documenting the personalized definitions I come across on CP. Right now I'm arguing that Messianic Jews are not actually Jewish in any religious sense. Culturally? I'll buy that. But we have a word in English for people who think Jesus is the Messiah and "Jew" ain't the word.
"MJs" are Christians who employ Jewish rituals in their practice of their Christian faith.
"dictionaries and encyclopedias are books that are written by the devil"
Since when? Where in the world did they ever get such made up, preposterous nonsense about dictionaries and encyclopedias being of the Devil from? All while looking up Google which is an online dictionary itself?
Just comes to show how arrogantly stupid some people are, like the Christian you've argued with.
My parents used a Christian contractor to build their home. (Deep south...whatcha gonna do?)
Once he saw a copy of Ambrose Bierce's "Devil's Dictionary", he refused to ever set foot inside again.
The contractor being paid for building the house....
I'm sorry for being vague, John. I can't imagine a "true Christian" walking away from money. By that point, most of the work was done and he didn't really have to be there at all. (It all felt a bit performative to me. Who knows? How does the song go, "Nobody knows, but Jesus."?)
There are some issues with this house, but my parents wouldn't ever have been likely to sue, and they're both gone now. (Besides, the family grew tobacco for some 150+ years, and some still do. Shame can be a powerful drug....)
The Christian must have heard about Bierce’s The Devil’s Dictionary?
I'm less than certain that they have. I have a dead tree copy for sure.
I posted the dictionary definition of "polygamy" to a 'christian' which he insisted only meant a "Man with multiple wives", there are in fact three types, according to the dictionary. He said it didn't matter because everyone only ever used the one he did. You cannot communicate with persons who use antonyms instead of synonyms.
I'm so tired of people bringing up 1A on all sides of the spectrum, but especially right wing people because they claim it as part of their personality... 1A protects you from the government, not friends, family or your employer.
Just recently someone was arrested for standing on a public sidewalk and shouting, without amplification, at the church in St. Paul where a minister is also an ICE employee. The church Don Lemon was at but this was a separate incident. Charges were dismissed by a judge almost immediately.
CP commenter invoked 1A. I hastened to point out that government was not restricting the church in any way at all but arresting someone engaging in free speech on a public sidewalk might well be a violation of 1A. No response.
Well they start from the position that they are inherently right and everyone else is wrong... That is why hypocrisy rolls off their back, like water off a ducks arse.
Yes, they interpret as "I can abuse everyone with my nonsense, all the time and they can't call me on my bullshit!"
Do note that she's a 19-year-old, not a legal expert, and that this could absolutely be a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.
I mean, probably not. The facts are likely not in her favor. But it's not like there is no legal basis whatsoever.
And go after First Liberty for filing it.
Maybe her ultimate goal is to get a bunch of right winger donations through GoFund Me, or some other site. Everyone’s looking for an opportunity these days, even rich people.
They always lead with the first amendment nonsense because it’s hard to get that toothpaste back into the tube
Uh, she might have the First Amendment part wrong, but she could absolutely have a plausible claim under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I think it's probably a loser, but it strikes me as an issue of fact, not law.
𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜-𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑢𝑝 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑠ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑦𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑓 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑡 “𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑠.” 𝑅𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑦𝑒𝑠.
There is no hate like Christian love. To tell her coworker not that she had to stop intimate relations with her partners, but that she had to 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘱 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮 if she became a Christian is downright cruel. Basically, Ms Roger's told her coworker that becoming a Christian means you must stop caring about the people you currently care about. Is it any wonder that she was seen as offensive and hostile?
We also don't really know what they said, Christians like Ms. Rogers are perpetual victims and know that they probably won't win in court so they want to win in the court of public opinion. The fact that she immediately went to First Liberty, Fox and NewsMax tells you all you need to know.
WE don’t know what they said (both parties), but apparently the security footage says that the company does. “I couldn’t tell them about how it was worded” - sweetie, you don’t have to, the higher ups have seen it. 🙄
Security footage records voice now? Do employees know that? Do customers?
“I shared my own testimony with her. I shared how God had saved me and changed my life, and that it is God who changes your heart when you become saved,” she Christ-splained to her colleague."
AKA, Proselytizing at work.
It seems to me she just admitted that, by admitting that.
"Christ-splained" Religion at its best, repeated lies and make believe.
And not just a little bit either.
Several years ago, I found one employee literally preaching in the barn. When I asked him to come to the office to talk about it, he got incensed and told me the "word of God" was more important than getting his tasks done. So I gave him a warning, sent him off back to work and then started documenting. Within a month, I fired him for poor work performance.
THEN I had people coming to me talking about the shit he said to them. I should have gotten rid of him sooner.
I’ve shared this before so apologies. I had a colleague who was Hindu. We had a very friendly, joking around relationship. She was the first (and only) Hindu I’ve ever had more than a passing acquaintanceship with. One day she and I were alone in the break room. I asked her for permission to ask her about Hinduism. She became visibly tense and uncomfortable. I quickly assured her that I had no interest in trying to change her religion. Told her I’m atheist and married to a Jew. I asked if other people had tried to convert her and she said yes. I told her I didn’t know much about Hinduism and I hoped she could help educate me. She agreed as long as we were the only people in the room. As time went on she started asking me about Christianity and Judaism and I did my best to explain the variations of those religions.
And we laughed about the fundie Christians. Her version of Hinduism was, in short, almost anything goes.
Good thing they stopped her before she got into latte art centering on Jesus.
"Excuse me, Barista but there are stigmata in my latte."
"This latte is too hot! Hellish! And who put the crown of thorns in it?!"
"A cup of Blessed coffee please...."
Lol 😹
Once again, these brainwashed Christians can’t understand that when they proclaim their silly beliefs, it might make others uncomfortable.
They claim they’re just doing the “Lords work” and have been convinced they have right on their side.
They don’t.
They apparently they will never understand that they still have their right to freedom of religion, and that the rest of us have an equal right to be free FROM religion.
Agreed, freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.
They will NEVER agree on that though, evangelism is like a virus, unless they can infect other people with it, they lack purpose.
To Paige Rogers...
Please go to the gospels and point to scripture where Jesus says one word about homosexuals. We'll wait.
Meanwhile, Jesus DOES condemn religious hypocrites and people who call themselves his followers not doing what he tells them.
But...but...I love Jesus and Jesus loves me and I'm going to Heaven and you're going to Hell. So there!
🎵And they say there's a heaven for those who will wait
Some say it's better, but I say it ain't
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun🎵 😎
Not to mention all his admonishments to heterosexuals, of which there are many.
The evangelicals are the first people to claim they’re being persecuted any time they are being prevented from forcing their views on others. I don’t know the particulars of this case, but it seems obvious she should have been aware of some boundaries. Over my more than forty years in the workplace, I had numerous people try to share their religion with me. To an individual, they never seemed to have any understanding they might be doing something inappropriate for the workplace. They are always the victims. That shared persecution complex is one of the things organized religion uses to survive.
Years ago I use to get peppered with testimonies and questions asking where I went to church and the comments got more aggressive if I was honest saying I was an atheist so I stopped being honest and I played along. I found the name of a local church near where I lived and I would just give them the fake name. One employer had a strict no religion rule while on the clock and this woman in the cubicle next to mine had a large shrine to Jesus and she kept trying to convert me so I brought in some Humanist and atheist items for my desk and she complained to the boss about my religious items and how it mocked her. The boss told us we both violated the rule so she had to remove her shrine.... (LOL) my work was done.
Well done!
And once again "I'M BEING SILENCED!" is heard from Maine to Hawai'i.
https://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/silenced.png
I knew someone would drop that link.
I do not for a moment believe that her coworkers asked her to proselytize them. 𝘕𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 would ask that. No one enjoys being preached to as a captive audience, as they would be in the workplace. They'd just start going to fucking church if they were interested in converting; churches are 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦. They probably passed at least six of 'em just on their morning commute. Plus, Christianity so completely saturates our culture that I can't believe that anyone living within our borders could possibly 𝘯𝘰𝘵 know at least the Cliff's Notes version of the religion, and if they want to read the scripture for themselves, bibles are available in every single bookstore, library, and church in the land. And also a disconcerting number of other places 𝘯𝘰𝘵 otherwise related to books or religion.
I can see a coworker being curious about just how devout her religion is; it can be interesting to listen to someone with a wildly different worldview outline it for you, after all (well, up until they reveal that they're a wretched stinking bigot who hates you and everyone you care about, anyway)... but no, I do not believe that Ms. Rogers was ever even 𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦 asked to start preaching. She most probably was asked "what, exactly, do you believe?" and her little fundie pea-brain interpreted that as "tell me why I should believe it too." Not every invitation to discourse is a request for a sales pitch... but since spreading their religion is a core tenet of a fundie's faith, they treat every conversation as an opportunity to win converts.
tl;dr- Get stuffed, you lying little harpy.
'get stuffed ? lol excellent !
What needs to be uncovered here would be, to quote Paul Harvey, the rest of the story. We clearly need to hear from those employees who interacted with Paige and what they took away from those conversations. Thus far, all we are getting is Paige's skewed view of these interactions, and that is nowhere near sufficient.
Joe Michael Straczynski once said that understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth. Let's at least get the first two clear, please.
Ugh, Paul Harvey?! Shameless pusher of the shittiest, yet expensive, bottom of the frequency response spectrum of music reproduction BOSE crap radio? That Paul Harvey? A Memory Lane ear ache.
paul harvey ? wow,now theres a name I havent heard in ages,did'nt he go out with vacuum tube radios >??
If she were Muslim or atheist, the far-right media would certainly have attacked her instead of defending her.
Even when I was the most fundamentalist of fundamentalists, I DID NOT DISCUSS MY RELIGIOUS FAITH AT WORK. I was not being paid to preach. I was being paid to do my job and do my job in an environment with a diverse workforce. Personal life discussions were held on a surface level: TV shows, books, movies, talk about kids and spouses, weekend plans. Friendly, small talk.
Because we were there to work, not talk.
This is not that hard.
You are being paid money to do a list of tasks. Stick to that list of tasks, not preach or bring drama.
“They talked about college, which led to a conversation about Boyce, which led to a conversation about her fundamentalist Christian beliefs.”
So, it’s possible that she brought up her college in order to direct the conversation to her beliefs. I know that I tend to direct conversations towards myself, I am working on that but it is a difficult journey, and I know that there are others who often do this as well. For the evangelical type sects, they are trained to do this at all times, direct conversations towards their relationship with God and how (how did she put it?) she was saved. It’s like talking to a friend who recently bought into an MLM, every complaint can be turned into a commercial. “Oh, I didn’t get to sleep until late last night, I’m so tired.” “Well, it sounds like you don’t get enough remitolinoids in your diet, you should try these BigMoney supplements I discovered, I am never tired anymore and it’s because of these wonderful supplements.” And then, when all their friends are pulling away, complaining about the pyramid scheme, the MLM friend goes on a rant claiming it’s not a scheme it’s a way of life, and these supplements really work and blah blah blah. But instead of supplements it’s god. They don’t see how insufferable they are.
I am guessing that the footage of the conversations will bury her, but since she’s filed a claim, the business has to stay quiet for now. I’m not hopeful the EEOC will find in the business’ favor because there’s Heritage Foundation’s agenda of pushing Christianity on the country, which might overrule the agenda to allow businesses free rein in exploiting workers. Or, we might be surprised not surprised that they will find this as a way to empower businesses more and rule against her. I am not hopeful that actual justice will happen, and they side for truth, they just might make the right decision for the wrong reasons.