I have some sympathy for his case, but the real problem here lies with governmental meetings opening with ANY kind of invocation. The founders did not give religion any role to play in government, and that was not an accidental omission. It's high time for conservative Christians to be banned from marking their territory in the public square.
I said, what does God need with a Constitution anyway?
Jim!
C'mon Bones, Creator of the Universe?! He don't need no law...
Written by Christians, enacted by Christians, enforced by Christians, interpreted by Christians...
Not yet, not today. I don't what it will take for the majority of the people on this planet to at least question their beliefs about a supernatural realm, but we're stuck with it until that happens...
Good luck because if they can't hold invocations out loud then they would have to do it in their heads and the only thing in their heads are invisible sky daddies.
If you don't have the right sort of cleric cast the protection from evil spell, then devils might just end up possessing the Parks department employees or something... demonic pot hole patches... do you want demonic pot hole patches? Because this is how you get demonic pot hole patches, atheists.
I would need some clarification here. So if a Wyoming city violated the Etablishment Clause, the only recourse would be to appellate to the state legislature ? What are the chances of success ? Wouldn't such a system allow discrimination even if no one except for Mr Williams seem to complain ?
I figured out why the people left the room when he did his invocation. The photo is from behind so it's hard to tell, but look at his arms and how they are placed. He's making the sign of the cross. The people who left are vampires.
I agree with your assessment of this case. I understand his frustration on many levels but he's grasping in others. He's also behaving in some ways like he has the ability to determine intent when he clearly can't, and while I sympathize with his feelings, I disagree with his approach.
Given that Gerrit Cole and Aaron Judge are hurt, Blake Snell, Trevor Bauer, and Jordan Montgomery won't join the Yankees, Juan Soto is a one-year rental, the Yankee 2024 season is a write-off.
And the endless Presidential Election is another horror.
It's almost enough to make one turn to an Omnipotent Celestial Being to Intervene to restore goodness and order.
Only that won't happen, because there isn't one.
So what the heck is wrong with an atheist invocation?
I want this outfit to let me deliver an invocation for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I think we have a case of jousting against windmills here. Sure, I support Williams' right to deliver a secular invocation, but $24 million? My sense here is that he's at least as interested in getting a nice payday as he is in exercising his rights.
I have some sympathy for his case, but the real problem here lies with governmental meetings opening with ANY kind of invocation. The founders did not give religion any role to play in government, and that was not an accidental omission. It's high time for conservative Christians to be banned from marking their territory in the public square.
"Sovereign immunity?" Didn't know we were a monarchy.
I said, what does God need with a Constitution anyway?
Jim!
C'mon Bones, Creator of the Universe?! He don't need no law...
Written by Christians, enacted by Christians, enforced by Christians, interpreted by Christians...
Not yet, not today. I don't what it will take for the majority of the people on this planet to at least question their beliefs about a supernatural realm, but we're stuck with it until that happens...
Good luck because if they can't hold invocations out loud then they would have to do it in their heads and the only thing in their heads are invisible sky daddies.
If you don't have the right sort of cleric cast the protection from evil spell, then devils might just end up possessing the Parks department employees or something... demonic pot hole patches... do you want demonic pot hole patches? Because this is how you get demonic pot hole patches, atheists.
āsovereign immunityā ? Just no words.
I would need some clarification here. So if a Wyoming city violated the Etablishment Clause, the only recourse would be to appellate to the state legislature ? What are the chances of success ? Wouldn't such a system allow discrimination even if no one except for Mr Williams seem to complain ?
I agree with you; I don't think he had a very compelling argument.
What I take issue with is an invocation being an "official act". This seems to place religion straight into government.
I figured out why the people left the room when he did his invocation. The photo is from behind so it's hard to tell, but look at his arms and how they are placed. He's making the sign of the cross. The people who left are vampires.
This is yet another clarion call to do away with invocations at civil, secular doings altogether.
They are divisive, ineffective and serve no purpose whatsoever.
Good luck because superstition has a long history of , like, crop failures or stuff, when we don't appease the sky daddies.
I agree with your assessment of this case. I understand his frustration on many levels but he's grasping in others. He's also behaving in some ways like he has the ability to determine intent when he clearly can't, and while I sympathize with his feelings, I disagree with his approach.
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I agree.
Given that Gerrit Cole and Aaron Judge are hurt, Blake Snell, Trevor Bauer, and Jordan Montgomery won't join the Yankees, Juan Soto is a one-year rental, the Yankee 2024 season is a write-off.
And the endless Presidential Election is another horror.
It's almost enough to make one turn to an Omnipotent Celestial Being to Intervene to restore goodness and order.
Only that won't happen, because there isn't one.
So what the heck is wrong with an atheist invocation?
I want this outfit to let me deliver an invocation for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Turns out MGS was right...
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I think we have a case of jousting against windmills here. Sure, I support Williams' right to deliver a secular invocation, but $24 million? My sense here is that he's at least as interested in getting a nice payday as he is in exercising his rights.
Sorry, Bruce, but I ain't havin' any.