Maybe what we need is an internet mob of property tax payers outraged that their tax money is being spent on legal fees to defend the board’s bigotry rather than the education of their children.
Or ... maybe the parents of the children of King George Middle School need to put their property tax payments in escrow, until the school board gets the message!
This point cannot be over emphasized: the waste of time, money, and effort because ultimately of religious bigotry which is indoctrinated into people systematically.
I keep coming back to the strong possibility that what we are dealing with is neuro-physiological in basis. Trying to deal with that in changing minds is going to be no fun at all.
Do you know the film 'Hidden Figures'? It's a great film. I'm no great fan of Kevin Costner but I thought he did well in that film. And there's a cracking scene where he goes and demolishes the 'white' and 'coloured' signs at the entrance doors to the toilets.
My wife and I just watched Hidden Figures not that long ago. It is a brilliant piece of work, and a proper testimony to the work that Katherine Goble and her fellows did for NASA back in the sixties.
Have anyone ever show to those online homophobes numerous examples of the Fundie hypocrisy exposed in form of church leaders getting caught, tried, convicted and sent to prison for procession of CSAM, raping, grooming, assaulting, and diddling children?
That is a false argument. You just can't tell if homophobes are in the closet. My experience (from Scandinavia and England) is that the living-in-closet-agrgument are not a real thing.
We are an innate part of the species, and religious conservatives can't stand that about us because 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵. Every generation of humans will contain the same percentage of LGBTQ people as every other, no matter what they do to keep us from coming out and finding community, but if 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 fail to indoctrinate just one generation of youth, their entire creaking mess of a worldview, religion and all, goes extinct.
Not to be a scold but this is why voters need to pay attention to school board elections even if they don’t have children in the schools. School boards are the jumping off point for political careers. We need to fight the bigots in the most local of elections first so we can reduce the number of bigots in higher offices. It’s a long game.
The bigots know this. That’s why Moms for Liberty focused on school boards.
This! Even national groups and individuals have started talking about this, that the school boards are jumping off points for larger political careers. Too bad they’re just now noticing this, I’ve been talking about it for at least a decade, paying attention to my kids’ school board and seeing the loonies line up to serve. Now that my kids are about done with school, I’m not about to slack off.
Don’t forget a few years ago when Matt Walsh specifically rented a room in someone’s basement for a dollar, just so he could influence the school board to attack LGBTQ kids. They are doing anything they can to be hostile toward our children.
That goes for every local board that decides on how your locality will live and be taxed not just school boards but I do get what you’re saying. People get so complacent about how their daily lives are affected by their ignorance of how their local town councils work. They forget that all politics are local
I follow the Substack of Melissa Corrigan. She's in Norfolk (Virginia?) and she has written about some of the goings-on in her area: The surplus school funds were handed to the local authority, who then proceeded to buy a local mall.
As a result, the school district is now planning to raise local taxes to pay for education expenses ....
I was five when I knew I liked girls. Had my first crush then. Didn't have words to describe it. Didn't know what a crush was.
Most kids know by middle school who they're attracted to.
Stop trying to force your children to be people they are not. Listen to them. Talk to them. Accept them. Support them. For fuck's sake, even if they are "confused" about something, they'll figure it out as long as they have a network of people who love and accept them and communicate.
These kids are not your property. You are a teacher, a guide, as they live their own life.
I think I was in 3rd grade when I kissed the girl who lived across the street. It was a quick smooch with full consent and then she ran away from me. Oh well. I never wanted to kiss a boy.
It's an indictment of our current society that a Gay-Staight Alliance is even contemplated. We don't have Left Handed-Right Handed Alliance clubs because no one really cares about that difference. We don't have Blue eyed-Brown eyed Alliance clubs because it just doesn't matter what color your eyes are. Gay or Straight should be in that same category. No one should particularly notice or care, at least not in a way that requires you to need an ally. But of course, the real world isn't that way yet. Maybe someday.
Addendum: Both of my kids were members of their highschool GSA back in the early 2000s. Neither are gay but had/have friends who are. GSA clubs weren't all that controversial back then. Disappointing to find that 20+ years later it's still an issue.
Hadn't heard the Limp Bisquick version before so went and listened. They seemed to try to maintain the original style ( i.e. didn't turn it into rap or reggae or grunge) but it definitely lacked something that The Who brought to it.
Oh the Christian love! I just can’t get enough of it. Just watch, when the school district loses in court, the Facebook group will resort to anonymous death threats to get their way. It’s their go to when they see minorities get their way, or the pledge of allegiance or prayers are dropped. But, you know, we should just comply so they don’t have to be violent. See what we made them do!?!
The public schools are governmental sub-divisions and as such they cannot pick one religion over another. This is clearly an attempt to backstop the sense of Christian privilege that is so prevalent in our country today. The evangelicals are desperate for this governmental support because they know full-well they are losing the long game.
It really bothers me just how often people on various social media platforms take whatever they see there as law. To my knowledge, there is no support for the idea so many conservatives hold about LGBTQ+ individuals being groomers; if anything, I see a lot of indoctrination and grooming in conservative camps. Doxxing a teacher because they're willing to sponsor a group you don't like is just an internet form of cowardly bullying; in effect you're asking a mob of people to bludgeon someone into obeying you.
None of the behavior I see here is honest, mature discussion of issues that adults should be engaging in when they have a problem with something. What I do see is juvenile tantrums and desperate goal-post moving in an attempt to get things the way a specific group wants despite said group being in the wrong. Possibly the most important point here is that the kids attempting to form this club are behaving better than the adults getting in their way; and that is one sad statement on the whole debacle.
Every accusation is a confession- every time. They accuse LGBTQ people of "grooming" children because, like all fáscists throughout the history of that wretched ideology, they're so bereft of imagination that they can't even come up with an original lie, so they just accuse others of what they themselves do.
They haven't deserved any slack in a while, certainly not since Ronald Reagan invited the most radical of their number into the Republican party. They've been trying to legislate their twisted brand of morality from that time to now.
OT: Yesterday a gift package is delivered to the house for my bride, who is now 2 weeks post foot surgery. Fancy chocolate covered strawberries! The box declared that there would be a note inside identifying the giver. No note. There’s a phone number on the label so I call it. I get transferred a few times and finally get to someone who verifies that my bride was indeed the recipient of a gift (yeah, I know). But he cannot tell me the name of the giver without their permission. He takes my number and says he will call me back. About 30 minutes later my bride gets a call from a colleague/friend who tells her she yelled at the company when they called her for failing to include a note. She grew up poor in Russia and takes absolutely no shit from anyone. The company tried to blame her (“you didn’t give us a note”) and that wasn’t true.
I can’t tell you how many times this has happened to me. Some companies don’t have the option to include a note so I always assume they’ll send a packing slip that has the name of the sender but not the cost. Nope. Destined for disappointment 🙄
Hmmm ... "Moving the goalposts." A strategy used considerably in at least two topics of arguments that I'm familiar with: religion and politics. It may go without saying that, if we dug hard enough into the motivations of the faculty at King George Middle School, we'd find a WHOLE BUNCH of religious zealots who are scared out of their minds that LGBTQ+ kids get the chance to express themselves and maybe even (GASP!!!) discover who they are! OHMYGOODNESS, we can't have that, never mind mucking around with PRONOUNS!!! 😱😱😱
[sigh] More freaking snowflakes who cannot or will not deal with reality.
A little political geography for those unfamiliar with Virginia. VA used to be reliably Republican. It has become a “leans Dem” state over the last 20-30 years. But, like a lot of states, the urban areas are blue and everything else is red. The part of VA close to Washington DC (known as northern Virginia or NOVA) has boomed in population over the last 30-40 years. Lots of US government employees and people who work for companies with government ties. “Beltway Bandits”. Besides NOVA, there are a few cities of reasonable size (Richmond for example) that are reliably blue.
The county in which this middle school exists is 30-40 miles away from NOVA. It has no municipalities worthy of that term. And that makes all the difference in the world. It’s essentially Alabama. And politically, counties are powerful in VA. School districts are co-terminus with counties. Getting elected to the school board is equivalent to getting elected to the county council except your remit and budget are smaller. The school budget comes from the county council.
Maybe there is a different solution to this, but I’m only on my 1st cup. DAs Husband has found a new way to disturb my sleep— constant movement.
Maybe the kids should try to form a “boys and girls together” club. It was a book by William Goldman, who wrote “the Princess bride”. I’m sure someone clever could figure out a way to make it sound dirty. “Promoting unbridled free heterosexuality.” something like that.
We could see what they do.
Of course it won’t answer the question why they are so terrified of gay kids finding out who they are. Almost as terrified as they are of gay kids being able to live their lives fully, completely, and authentically as they are made. Almost as terrified as they are of the idea that there are straight people who support those gay kids to be able to live their lives fully, completely, and authentically as they are made.
I suspect a good part of it is their own embarrassment about sex, then add to that the existence of alternative sexualities, which confuse and frighten them even further. Throw in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, and you have a genuine mess on your hands.
And at the root of it all is very likely Christian indoctrination.
Am I allowed to repeat myself? Am I allowed to write again, that when it comes to sex the only thing that matters that all participants are adult and consenting. Everyone adult and consenting, have at it in any way, shape or form you like. Someone not adult or not consenting, then I get angry!
Oh, of COURSE you're allowed to be repetitively redundant! I do it all the time! 😉
And (no great surprise) I'm in total agreement about the participants all consenting to whatever goes on. The PROBLEM is with those uninvolved onlookers who want to get ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE about what you're doing, that they are convinced that it's WRONG, and want you to stop YESTERDAY!
[Just between you, me, and the fence post, I think they're upset that they didn't get invited! 🤣🤣🤣]
Maybe what we need is an internet mob of property tax payers outraged that their tax money is being spent on legal fees to defend the board’s bigotry rather than the education of their children.
Or ... maybe the parents of the children of King George Middle School need to put their property tax payments in escrow, until the school board gets the message!
Right on. That would do the trick.
The rest of the parents should get together and sue the Facebook group for wasting taxpayer money by coercing the school board.
This point cannot be over emphasized: the waste of time, money, and effort because ultimately of religious bigotry which is indoctrinated into people systematically.
And once again, the homophobes falsely accuse others of trying to groom kids while they themselves actually are trying to groom kids.
What are they so very afraid of?
What are they so very afraid of? DIFFERENCES, my friend. DIFFERENCES.
Remember, these are the same people who, not too long ago, lost their minds at the idea of a black man pissing in the same urinal they used.
I keep coming back to the strong possibility that what we are dealing with is neuro-physiological in basis. Trying to deal with that in changing minds is going to be no fun at all.
Do you know the film 'Hidden Figures'? It's a great film. I'm no great fan of Kevin Costner but I thought he did well in that film. And there's a cracking scene where he goes and demolishes the 'white' and 'coloured' signs at the entrance doors to the toilets.
My wife and I just watched Hidden Figures not that long ago. It is a brilliant piece of work, and a proper testimony to the work that Katherine Goble and her fellows did for NASA back in the sixties.
It should be required viewing in schools.
Have anyone ever show to those online homophobes numerous examples of the Fundie hypocrisy exposed in form of church leaders getting caught, tried, convicted and sent to prison for procession of CSAM, raping, grooming, assaulting, and diddling children?
Too many people knowing that the homophobes live deep in the closet?
That is a false argument. You just can't tell if homophobes are in the closet. My experience (from Scandinavia and England) is that the living-in-closet-agrgument are not a real thing.
My apologies. Would you like some licorice?
What about dark chocolat pieces?
I keep those for myself.
We are an innate part of the species, and religious conservatives can't stand that about us because 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵. Every generation of humans will contain the same percentage of LGBTQ people as every other, no matter what they do to keep us from coming out and finding community, but if 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 fail to indoctrinate just one generation of youth, their entire creaking mess of a worldview, religion and all, goes extinct.
I bet that just 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘦𝘴 them.
Competition? since it is always projection?
Not to be a scold but this is why voters need to pay attention to school board elections even if they don’t have children in the schools. School boards are the jumping off point for political careers. We need to fight the bigots in the most local of elections first so we can reduce the number of bigots in higher offices. It’s a long game.
The bigots know this. That’s why Moms for Liberty focused on school boards.
This! Even national groups and individuals have started talking about this, that the school boards are jumping off points for larger political careers. Too bad they’re just now noticing this, I’ve been talking about it for at least a decade, paying attention to my kids’ school board and seeing the loonies line up to serve. Now that my kids are about done with school, I’m not about to slack off.
Don’t forget a few years ago when Matt Walsh specifically rented a room in someone’s basement for a dollar, just so he could influence the school board to attack LGBTQ kids. They are doing anything they can to be hostile toward our children.
My kids are a decade out of public schools. I’m donating money to and door knocking for school board candidates to help keep the bigots off the board.
That goes for every local board that decides on how your locality will live and be taxed not just school boards but I do get what you’re saying. People get so complacent about how their daily lives are affected by their ignorance of how their local town councils work. They forget that all politics are local
I follow the Substack of Melissa Corrigan. She's in Norfolk (Virginia?) and she has written about some of the goings-on in her area: The surplus school funds were handed to the local authority, who then proceeded to buy a local mall.
As a result, the school district is now planning to raise local taxes to pay for education expenses ....
Are you refering to "Moms for liberty for me, not for thee"?
They were always a shadow group, posing as grassroots, deeply tied to republicans especially here in Florida.
I was five when I knew I liked girls. Had my first crush then. Didn't have words to describe it. Didn't know what a crush was.
Most kids know by middle school who they're attracted to.
Stop trying to force your children to be people they are not. Listen to them. Talk to them. Accept them. Support them. For fuck's sake, even if they are "confused" about something, they'll figure it out as long as they have a network of people who love and accept them and communicate.
These kids are not your property. You are a teacher, a guide, as they live their own life.
There's a great quote by Robert De Niro: 'I loved [name] as my son and I love [name] and support her as my daughter'.
I've forgotten the details, but it's clear that one of his children is trans and he just loves his child. Nothing else matters to him.
Airyn.
https://people.com/airyn-de-niro-robert-daughter-comes-out-transgender-revealing-interview-11724657
Thank you.
I think I was in 3rd grade when I kissed the girl who lived across the street. It was a quick smooch with full consent and then she ran away from me. Oh well. I never wanted to kiss a boy.
I kissed boys and girls. Didn't want to miss out. :)
That was smart never limit your opportunities~
If we just don’t say the words then the stuff those words refer to won’t exist. Works every time.
Said no sane person, EVER.
Just the magical thinking bunch.
It's an indictment of our current society that a Gay-Staight Alliance is even contemplated. We don't have Left Handed-Right Handed Alliance clubs because no one really cares about that difference. We don't have Blue eyed-Brown eyed Alliance clubs because it just doesn't matter what color your eyes are. Gay or Straight should be in that same category. No one should particularly notice or care, at least not in a way that requires you to need an ally. But of course, the real world isn't that way yet. Maybe someday.
Addendum: Both of my kids were members of their highschool GSA back in the early 2000s. Neither are gay but had/have friends who are. GSA clubs weren't all that controversial back then. Disappointing to find that 20+ years later it's still an issue.
We live in the dumbest timeline now. The same people on the school board will believe that this is his real hair.
https://www.irishstar.com/news/politics/trump-accused-wearing-chinchilla-toupee-37518965
Mein gott that smirk never fails to make me want to smack him.
Some of us take flak for our blue eyes.
https://youtu.be/uA2zODu1nJw
Someone called something like limp biscuit butchered this song. My son sent me a link thinking I would like it.
Hadn't heard the Limp Bisquick version before so went and listened. They seemed to try to maintain the original style ( i.e. didn't turn it into rap or reggae or grunge) but it definitely lacked something that The Who brought to it.
Ferocity. But I'm biased it's my favourite band.
I was in Steeltown aka Pittsburgh over the weekend. That would be Ferro City.
So...it was kinda limp?
Battle of the Bands:
Limp Bizkit vs Rock Hard Bizkit
I thought rock hard biscuit was those tasteless things from KFC after they get cold.
Don’t it make my brown eyes blue
https://youtu.be/udEZ_JjNz4E?si=fH8a2_OmnLr4g965
Oh the Christian love! I just can’t get enough of it. Just watch, when the school district loses in court, the Facebook group will resort to anonymous death threats to get their way. It’s their go to when they see minorities get their way, or the pledge of allegiance or prayers are dropped. But, you know, we should just comply so they don’t have to be violent. See what we made them do!?!
"Don't make me hit you again."
This will hurt me more than it will hurt you.
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
The public schools are governmental sub-divisions and as such they cannot pick one religion over another. This is clearly an attempt to backstop the sense of Christian privilege that is so prevalent in our country today. The evangelicals are desperate for this governmental support because they know full-well they are losing the long game.
Clearly a case of heckler's veto.
It really bothers me just how often people on various social media platforms take whatever they see there as law. To my knowledge, there is no support for the idea so many conservatives hold about LGBTQ+ individuals being groomers; if anything, I see a lot of indoctrination and grooming in conservative camps. Doxxing a teacher because they're willing to sponsor a group you don't like is just an internet form of cowardly bullying; in effect you're asking a mob of people to bludgeon someone into obeying you.
None of the behavior I see here is honest, mature discussion of issues that adults should be engaging in when they have a problem with something. What I do see is juvenile tantrums and desperate goal-post moving in an attempt to get things the way a specific group wants despite said group being in the wrong. Possibly the most important point here is that the kids attempting to form this club are behaving better than the adults getting in their way; and that is one sad statement on the whole debacle.
Every accusation is a confession- every time. They accuse LGBTQ people of "grooming" children because, like all fáscists throughout the history of that wretched ideology, they're so bereft of imagination that they can't even come up with an original lie, so they just accuse others of what they themselves do.
In the past , I gave christians the benefit of the doubt when it comes to human decency , but not anymore.
They haven't deserved any slack in a while, certainly not since Ronald Reagan invited the most radical of their number into the Republican party. They've been trying to legislate their twisted brand of morality from that time to now.
In my experience, religion rarely translates to morality.
They’ve used up their do-overs.
OT: Yesterday a gift package is delivered to the house for my bride, who is now 2 weeks post foot surgery. Fancy chocolate covered strawberries! The box declared that there would be a note inside identifying the giver. No note. There’s a phone number on the label so I call it. I get transferred a few times and finally get to someone who verifies that my bride was indeed the recipient of a gift (yeah, I know). But he cannot tell me the name of the giver without their permission. He takes my number and says he will call me back. About 30 minutes later my bride gets a call from a colleague/friend who tells her she yelled at the company when they called her for failing to include a note. She grew up poor in Russia and takes absolutely no shit from anyone. The company tried to blame her (“you didn’t give us a note”) and that wasn’t true.
I can’t tell you how many times this has happened to me. Some companies don’t have the option to include a note so I always assume they’ll send a packing slip that has the name of the sender but not the cost. Nope. Destined for disappointment 🙄
Hmmm ... "Moving the goalposts." A strategy used considerably in at least two topics of arguments that I'm familiar with: religion and politics. It may go without saying that, if we dug hard enough into the motivations of the faculty at King George Middle School, we'd find a WHOLE BUNCH of religious zealots who are scared out of their minds that LGBTQ+ kids get the chance to express themselves and maybe even (GASP!!!) discover who they are! OHMYGOODNESS, we can't have that, never mind mucking around with PRONOUNS!!! 😱😱😱
[sigh] More freaking snowflakes who cannot or will not deal with reality.
They buy their goalposts with wheels and engines for ease of moving.
A little political geography for those unfamiliar with Virginia. VA used to be reliably Republican. It has become a “leans Dem” state over the last 20-30 years. But, like a lot of states, the urban areas are blue and everything else is red. The part of VA close to Washington DC (known as northern Virginia or NOVA) has boomed in population over the last 30-40 years. Lots of US government employees and people who work for companies with government ties. “Beltway Bandits”. Besides NOVA, there are a few cities of reasonable size (Richmond for example) that are reliably blue.
The county in which this middle school exists is 30-40 miles away from NOVA. It has no municipalities worthy of that term. And that makes all the difference in the world. It’s essentially Alabama. And politically, counties are powerful in VA. School districts are co-terminus with counties. Getting elected to the school board is equivalent to getting elected to the county council except your remit and budget are smaller. The school budget comes from the county council.
Maybe there is a different solution to this, but I’m only on my 1st cup. DAs Husband has found a new way to disturb my sleep— constant movement.
Maybe the kids should try to form a “boys and girls together” club. It was a book by William Goldman, who wrote “the Princess bride”. I’m sure someone clever could figure out a way to make it sound dirty. “Promoting unbridled free heterosexuality.” something like that.
We could see what they do.
Of course it won’t answer the question why they are so terrified of gay kids finding out who they are. Almost as terrified as they are of gay kids being able to live their lives fully, completely, and authentically as they are made. Almost as terrified as they are of the idea that there are straight people who support those gay kids to be able to live their lives fully, completely, and authentically as they are made.
And therein perhaps lies the real problem.
I suspect a good part of it is their own embarrassment about sex, then add to that the existence of alternative sexualities, which confuse and frighten them even further. Throw in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, and you have a genuine mess on your hands.
And at the root of it all is very likely Christian indoctrination.
Am I allowed to repeat myself? Am I allowed to write again, that when it comes to sex the only thing that matters that all participants are adult and consenting. Everyone adult and consenting, have at it in any way, shape or form you like. Someone not adult or not consenting, then I get angry!
Oh, of COURSE you're allowed to be repetitively redundant! I do it all the time! 😉
And (no great surprise) I'm in total agreement about the participants all consenting to whatever goes on. The PROBLEM is with those uninvolved onlookers who want to get ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE about what you're doing, that they are convinced that it's WRONG, and want you to stop YESTERDAY!
[Just between you, me, and the fence post, I think they're upset that they didn't get invited! 🤣🤣🤣]
I suspect it's mostly the yuck factor excused by their holy book. Some people can't seem to come to terms with non-missionary sex.
Ya know, it's the oddest thing, but I'm pretty sure I've never had sex with a missionary! 🤪😂
I came close once. :)
Of course, they can’t stop thinking about all of that hot and sweaty mansex. Or boysex.but Lezzzzzzzbians areHAWT
“Promoting unbridled free heterosexuality.”
https://media.tenor.com/2YpYXrtgwb8AAAAM/stewie-family-guy.gif
Yes, like that.except with ministers
a little bit of good news.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-truth-social-hit-by-humiliating-exodus-of-daily-active-users/
"daily active users have plummeted from 436,000 in July 2025 to only 261,000 one year later."
Get rid of the Russian bots and it would drop by half again.
Sounds terrible but I hope it is due to his aging demographic, i.e lots of obits.
Man made 'god' in his/her own image.
https://ibb.co/BHJMb168
The classic abusive relationship, complete with threats.