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Joe King's avatar

Saying dumb shit while in your early 20s is par for the course. Add the context and recognize the sarcasm and what he said is less dumb. Hell, I am almost 60 and I say dumb shit.

beads's avatar

The number of things a young sailor in 1990 did or did not do that might cause offense... cannot be proven. Thank NonExisto for ensuring that cell phones did not exist.

And if they had, any sailor I ever served with is disqualified under the 'tarred by youth' standard.

John Roberts's avatar

Wait until 72 and can't remember what one said five minutes after saying "dumb shit" or whatever.

Good times!

Sean's avatar

If we're not saying dumb shit, how else do we find the smart ass things to say.

The best part of closing in on 60 is the right to be excused for the dumb shit we say. "He's just from a different time." "He's just undiagnosed insane."

oraxx's avatar

By all accounts, Utah Mormons are the most porn-obsessed people in this country. That squeaky clean Mormon image they present to the world is just a paint job.

Maltnothops's avatar

Alternatively, they don’t regard porn as evil as, say, hot beverages.

wreck's avatar

Mmmmm, coffee porn.

RegularJoe's avatar

Something something magic underwear yadda yadda something.....

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Caffeine, nectar of the gods is verboten. That is just not a lifestyle worth living!

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oraxx's avatar

You are obviously not one of God's chosen. /S

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

So, some of my Mormon friends growing up did say that it was about caffeine now, but not originally. There was some talk about (I’m pretty sure it was) Brigham-Young being a doctor and deciding that the temperature of hot beverages damaged your esophagus and you don’t want to do things that caused your body damage. They told me that even soup had to be tepid. They implied that caffeine wasn’t a known thing at that time, perhaps it was known by scholars, but not something that the average Mormon would have heard of, but the addictive and stimulating qualities of coffee and tea were known and bolstered the prohibition. But the actual heat of the drinks was the main reason for the rule.

I’m not saying the link was wrong, it seems like an expert source and I’m just remembering what my teenaged friends told me. Perhaps they got it wrong, or were given misinformation.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

"They told me that even soup had to be tepid."

That might even be worse than no caffeine for me.

Len Koz's avatar

Gazpacho isn't eaten hot even though it is hot if made right.

larry parker's avatar

Idk. I went with the first thing that popped up.

Sean's avatar

Interesting. I have to wonder how people who avoid caffeine report better health benefits and mental clarity.

BLUF: There's something more to be said for how you maintain your body and diet rather than making something forbidden, and therefore more desirable. Enjoy things in moderation.

Full-on old-man-rambling:

Apparently, there's a gene that determines how fast you process caffeine, either slow or 4x faster. (A friend did a gene test, she has the slow gene, so won't drink coffee.) I believe I have the latter. I didn't start drinking coffee until I was 35 (that's right. 35. Alcohol too.) I figured it would help me be more awake working a 12-hour night shift. Nope. I mentioned this to my dad, he said coffee never affected him, and my brother's not affected either.

I think there's something to be said more for how much abuse you heap on your body earlier in life. As I said, I didn't drink coffee or alcohol until I was 35, that's even after serving 6 years in the army. I rarely make coffee at home, usually only if I make some for a guest. I like to start my work day with a coffee, but I make it by hand - next to the coffee pod machine. It's also more of a social thing. I can sip a coffee for a long time, whereas anything else gets consumed quickly, so a coffee is cheaper over the long haul. I average about 1-2 alcoholic beverages a year. Last year, when I made coquito at Christmas, I tried it with a shot of rum. It was pretty good. I don't restrict myself, that just makes me crave it, I just don't think about it, or if I'm driving, I won't have one at all.

I'm the oldest person in the office, but I have the least amount of gray hair. It's not that I don't have any, it's just more evenly spread out when you look for them. About once a week it gets mentioned, usually by the people not far behind me in age, but well ahead by gray-hair count.

Len Koz's avatar

So no coffee but soup is okay?

Maltnothops's avatar

larry parker posted a link about hot bevs. I have no information at all. What I do remember is that prohibtion used to be about caffeine and sometime in the+last 10-15 years it was “clarified” that it wasn’t caffeine per se but hot bevs. When my older son, who now 28, was in Scouts, there were occasional district wide meetings hosted in an LDS church. We were always admonished not to bring caffeine into the building. Naturally, I wondered how my drinking coffee was going to imperil an LDS soul but, being a team player, I kept my mouth shut.

Magic underwear? No clue. I read that teenage Mormon girls are coached to feel for the magic underwear during make out sessions to see if the guy is legit.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

One year for summer camp, we shared a site with another troop. One of their first year scouts (11ish) blew a lot of his money on several bottled Frappichinos, then drank 3 in 10 minutes. The kid was obnoxious to begin with, but got so much worse after. So maybe they were on to something.

Sean's avatar

I only recall the caffeine ban, so I'm not up on the "hot beverage" update. Which makes me wonder, a hot coffee is not okay, but I can have an iced coffee? What if I let my tea cool down? Is there an accepted temperature?

As for the "magic underwear" (I recall the reference, not what it was), I'll refer you to Clerks 2. Something about girls having mouth trolls that bite boys before they get married. There's another troll somewhere else too that gets *flushed* out when they get married. But I don't recall where.

John Roberts's avatar

"Utah Mormons" There are never any surprises when it comes to the bat shit crazy Mormon religion and its belivers. Many highly educated, and very wealthy. Just ask any Marriott Hotels & Resorts owners.

The golden tablets, magic underwear, book of Mormon, etc., all sadly entertaining.

Kolob here we come!

Brianna Amore's avatar

And that paint is rapidly peeling away.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

"Hell, there will be candidates in the future whose nudes are online. "

Hell, there are First Ladies whose nudes are online.

larry parker's avatar

I once saw a photo of Eleanor Roosevelt's ankle.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Scandalous!

Crowscage's avatar

Surely you don't mean the sloppy seconds of dear old Jeff, our First Prostitute.

Joan the Dork's avatar

...yeah, I'm reasonably sure I had some remarkably shitty takes on a whole lot of things as a teenager-to-early-twentysomething. In point of fact, I 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 I did, even if I can't remember what all of them were; that was smack in the middle of my edgy Libertarian phase, which makes it pretty much a given. I wasn't into the same 𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘥 of deliberate shock-value vulgarity, to be sure- otherwise, I rather doubt I'd still have any of the friends I 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘸 made back then- but I 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 doubt that I'd be absolutely mortified to have those ancient shitty takes resurface now. I don't think I've ever said anything potentially career-or-relationship-ruining, but then, memory is a tricky thing, and I'm not going to discount the possibility that I've laid a big 'ol rotten egg in some dark, forgotten digital corner that will plaster itself all over my face, with great force and odor, if I ever attempt anything so monumentally foolish as a run for public office.

That said... don't be an online edgelord. Just... don't. Especially not if you think you might potentially have any kind of public aspirations later in life. The internet never forgets, and a sufficiently determined basement-dwelling nerd, who's been paid silly amounts money to dig up any dirt whatsoever on you, 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 find what you 𝘯𝘰𝘸 would least want them to learn about you 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯.

Though, if you 𝘢𝘳𝘦 going to be an online edgelord, make sure you're a Republican. This is most important. It 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 seems to help with the future-proofing against consequences. Might even get you a job on Fox News!

larry parker's avatar

"teenager-to-early-twentysomething"

No internet when I was that age, luckily.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Oh, if I had Internet at that age I'd have had one arm look super muscular ala Quagmire.

Len Koz's avatar

Didn't they have National Geographic where you grew up?

NOGODZ20's avatar

That’s the one. Only it would be the right. And no 5 'o’clock shadow. 😉

Pope Buck I's avatar

And meanwhile, Republicans get to be considered "innocent, headstrong youths" until they're 50.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

I'm not certain that the cutoff age is 50 by a long stretch. Certainly not as regards a certain chief executive.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

I’m just now getting to comment on this article and Troublesh00ter beat me to what I wanted to say.

Whitney's avatar

And once they're 50, well, now they're old men who were raised in a different time, and they're allowed to do whatever they want.*

*Sorry, no airsickness bag provided.

John Roberts's avatar

"Christianize our military" Again, the United States military spends millions of tax dollars every year on Religions. High ranking clergy, religious base facilities and literature. What could possibly when someone like pistol "Pete Hegseth" is in charge?

Time to quit financially supporting Religions in the US military. Worship one's invisiable invisible beings and superstitions on one's own. Most Religions ( Mormons and Catholics) have plenty of cash to support the troops, they don't need the military to chip in.

There is absolutely no separation in the US military, and ironically part of the US government. Hypocritical and sad at the least.

Onward Christian Soldiers?

Pope Buck I's avatar

^not to mention, a lot of evangelicals don't consider Mormons to be "real" Christians, any more than they do Catholics. We're watching three competing blocs who had briefly united in praise of 🍊, suddenly realize that there are "wrong" kinds of Christians, and the other two, that'll be them. and whoever wins will be the only "right" one.

John Roberts's avatar

Agreed, and none of the Christian cults wrong or right can't figure out how destructive their beliefs are. IMO at this time Religions rule in the United States, and will slowly be part of its demise. Can't help how the division lines are being drawn without question and controversy. Whatever one has the most believers be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. will come out on top.

As an atheist IMO the Hindus have some great looking Gods.

In Vishnu We Trust!

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Team Ganesh all the way!

Matri's avatar

Religion is the single largest and most lucrative business in America. It has its hooks in every aspect and every department of government and all the corporations too.

And it indirectly receives a share of the budget from ALL of those hooks, and all of it tax-free to boot.

John Roberts's avatar

Agreed, in all of America, North and South.

Religion is nothing but pure entertainment for many belivers, who will pay big money to know their Religion is real. They are easily controlled by lies and unsubstantiated fear. Thanks

God Bless America?

Eric's avatar
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First, let's be clear - all politicians are people who make good and bad choices. While it's probably not a good idea to elect someone who is flagrantly terrible, you'd be hard-pressed to find any political candidate who hasn't said or done something at least one person won't take offense to.

Brianna Amore's avatar

I mean at least he wasn't openly praising Hitler or denying the Holocaust like some on the other side.

David Graf's avatar

Anyone with character has probably said or done something which will offend others. We don't want someone in office whose main qualification is that they've never upset anyone.

GrandmascienCe's avatar

Uh oh. He used the word "evolved."

He's doomed.

Jerry Bier's avatar

As an atheist, I would prefer it if about 75% of the people in Congress were non-religious. The fact is, there is no God coming to save us. If we are to survive as a species, we will need more voices of reason in our government. The current direction by the idiot in the White House has led this country into a spiral that can only end in more inequality and strife.

David Graf's avatar

Being non-religious doesn't necessarily mean that one is a voice of reason unfortunately.

Jerry Bier's avatar

True. But the odds of an atheist deciding that women have fewer civil rights than men and allowing those civil rights to be nullified by a body of jurists who are supposed to honor and define our Constitution in a manner that is consistent with the will, if not the intent, of the Founders is much less with a person connected to reason and common sense.

The proper outcome has a 99% greater chance of being defined by reason rather than religious dogma. I'll take the atheist's point of view rather than some bigot who is only interested in controlling women because their mother was a mean parent. Jehovah's Witnesses immediately come to mind, with the Amish a close second. The dads aren't any better. I know, because mine tried that brainwashing and spare the rod and spoil the child bullshit on me. That's why I'm a staunch atheist today and have been since I was a child.

Guerillasurgeon's avatar

To be fair, judging by the numbers of atheists who have been credibly accused of misogyny at the very least, our hands aren't particularly clean. Lawrence Krauss. Cleaner than Christians perhaps but.........

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yes, but they are less likely to make up a reason pulled directly from their posterior, as to why they should have any say, in someone else's medical decisions. I've never seen an atheist advocate for forced-birth like the foolish flocks do.

Jerry Bier's avatar

I’d have to say that Atheists are 90% more honest than Christians. Nobody’s perfect. 😇

David Graf's avatar

There's no guarantee that being non-religious is a guarantee of goodness. Look at people like Stalin and Mao. It's also more than reason. You have to look at the purpose for which reason is in service to. For example, if someone's desire is to gain as much as power over others as possible, then they can go about it in a rational way.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

They were bad because they were power mad authoritarians though, not because they didn't force religion on people. I mean Hitler was a Catholic, and an authoritarian.

Len Koz's avatar

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, will jackoffs ever stop pulling the Stalin and Mao cards? Two authoritarians who didn't want some god pulling attention away from them. If Donald Dickhead didn't need the Christian Nationalists in his corner he'd ban religion too.

David Graf's avatar

Given the tens of millions who died during their rule and their importance in history, I doubt that people will stop citing them as examples of bad behavior anytime soon.

Len Koz's avatar

Up yours, David. Like so many of your coreligionists you use those 2 monsters as gotchas against atheists.

Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Context aside, is there not one politician in the world who can keep their fucking mouth shut? I remember the advice all of our ex-Conservative Prime Minister is used to give to newly elected MPs. It was "Learn to breathe through your nose." Conservative or not, I can't fault that.

On the other hand is ain't nearly as bad as a Fox News bimbo who said someone should be curb stomped.

Wayne Cointelpro's avatar

As a Republican lawmaker I’m sponsoring the Skullfuck Pledge asking all morally upright representatives to avow that they have never skullfucked their Mormon underage sister

Maltnothops's avatar

Or that they have stopped skullfucking their Mormon underage sister.

Wayne Cointelpro's avatar

I’m offering this pledge as a fresh start for all of the former skullfuckers who have found the blessed amnesty of Jesus

Troublesh00ter's avatar

I think it's a safe bet to say that the Utah Republican party is going to do everything in its power not to allow Blouin's past to be forgotten. This is likely an issue that Blouin will be fighting against for the duration of his campaign.

In an ideal world, political campaigns would be more even handed. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the world we live in is light years away from ideal.

Crowscage's avatar

The Child Rapist Party is gonna do what the Child Rapist Party is gonna do.

Pope Buck I's avatar

In college, I thought I was an edgelord for a time, and made (I now realize) horrible jokes about rape. Good thing I've been over that phase for almost 40 years, and also that it was way before the Internet.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Punchbowl News is supposedly "Center" but it is partly funded by major corporate sponsors like trade groups, lobbying firms and large corporations influencing the same policymakers that the outlet covers. They're also said to be a little too close to the people they cover, like former Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

PN claims to be non-judgemental. Blouin would beg to differ, I imagine.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Who are the two oponents who want Blouin to drop out? If they're Republicans, they can just STFU.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Probably actual rapist-apologists and misogynists.

Guerillasurgeon's avatar

https://www.alternet.org/john-eastman-attoreny/

I posted this before I knew there was a new post. It's another small victory. Maybe a medium to large one I don't know enough about American politics/legal system

larry parker's avatar

Small. If they want to make it large they need to go after the guy Eastman was working for.