"We don’t arrest people for worshiping different gods, or making false idols, or saying “Goddamn,” or working on Sundays, or fighting with their parents, or having sex with people they’re not married to, or coveting what others have."
There are perfectly good secular justifications for outlawing murder and robbery. Under certain specific conditions it can be illegal to lie. The rest of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law, and no one gets arrested for violating them. No university that wanted to hold on to its accreditation would hire either of the Barton's to teach history or any other subject for that matter. They put forward their ancient rule book as the solution to all the country's ills, while never grasping the fact this massively screwed up country is overwhelmingly the work product of believers.
Actually, no one has ever been arrested for violating the Ten Commandments in this country People get arrested for violating civil law, not a religious rule book from the infancy of human civilization. The Barton's know their audience though, and will continue to grift by telling them what they want to hear.
If the Decalogue's presence actually worked, we wouldn't see preachers molesting kids, stealing from parishioners, begging for private jets and committing fraud.
Right? RIGHT???
And yet, we see reports every week, every day, some preacher getting busted with his hand in the till, or on somebody's child. Explain that, Barton!
And what’s with these ‘Free Will Baptist’ churches I see along the roads? If you are a practicing Baptist, you have no free will. You have to tow the party line all the time… except when you are molesting some young girl.
Anyone can rent a building, call themselves a preacher, and tack 'Baptist' on their name. We have a large number of those here, mostly in lower income areas and some of these preachers are skeevy AF. Like the one who owned a corner market, and harvested goods from the local food bank. Big scandal! People surprised that a damn 'man of gawd' would behave in such a way. Didn't surprise me one bit!
There are scores of Baptist sects. Freewill Baptists are non-Calvinists, which means they do not believe in being one of the elect. This makes "backsliding" an additional fear.
This is all about deflecting and diverting people’s attention off their flawed preachers. And if they get the whole shebang of 7 Mountains Dominionism, you’ll never hear another word about these guys. They are working very hard on this. All they need is for The Supremes to pass off on a couple of their test cases and they are home free.
Makes one wonder why these heinous crimes never made it in to the "Top Ten" list. Please help us understand what we're missing Mr. Barton. Or maybe Junior can help us to see the light.
Quibble, but there's a pretty good history of adultery being made illegal too. As well as blue laws preventing businesses being open on Sundays.
However all of that ends up becoming circular reasoning: the 10Cs were law only because when 10C believers are in charge they make it law. Not because anyone else had a background history or tradition of making it law.
My home state of Michigan still has at least one on the books: alcohol can be sold from 7 am to 2 am except on Sunday when it starts at noon. Also no alcohol sales period on Christmas day.
When I lived in Michigan, retail liquor sales ended at midnight on Saturday, but you could go to a bar and get smashed for two more hours until the bars closed.
My wife's family has a summer place in Lesterville, MO (population, 577, four Baptist churches). They burned down a bar/restaurant because the owner would sell six packs out the back door on Sundays.
What also gets me is that most of the rules in the Ten Commandments (especially the one's worth keeping) can be found in much older texts. But somehow, the Bible's presentation of them is supposed to be "special."
The Bartons appear to want to arrest students for not being Christians. They'll give religious Jews a pass until their Nazi overlords tell them not to.
And now, with Trump, they actually have it. A push to put prayer back in schools along with such crap as what the Bartons are promoting has likely already started, though I haven't heard much about it as of yet.
What? What the actual [!!] (apologies for swearing)!
They want to defund schools who are abiding by the constitution?
Who had that brilliant (/s) idea? Oh, it’s Alabama. Have they sorted out their hookworm and sewage problems? Or maybe their thinking is that if everyone prays in school on a daily basis then God will sort it out?
PS - remind me, where is Alabama in the ranking for education and healthcare? Better - don’t. Don’t remind me, I can guess.
Alabama, the state that decided (against biological definitions) that IVF products of conception in cryogenic stasis were and I quote: "Extra-uterine children".
To the Alabama judge idiot that declared this bullshit: eggs fertilized, or not can be frozen. Children cannot.
They'll just cherry pick the verse about God ordained authorities to justify that. Just like they completely ignored it during the Biden administration.
LOL, y'all know my love affair with Boondock Saints. And this reminds me of the scene in the courtroom, where the patriarch, il duce, addresses the court. "Don't steal. Don't murder." And if you cross that line, you will see "we three" behind you.
"The Code of Hammurabi is not purely religious, but it does have significant religious elements. Created around 1754 BCE by King Hammurabi of Babylon, the code consists of 282 laws that governed various aspects of daily life, such as trade, labor, family relations, and civil rights1.
One of the key aspects of the Code of Hammurabi is its divine authority. Hammurabi claimed that the laws were given to him by the god Marduk, the chief deity of Babylon1. This connection to divine authority was crucial in legitimizing his rule and the laws he enacted. The prologue of the code even depicts Hammurabi receiving the laws from Shamash, the Babylonian sun god and god of justice2.
So, while the code itself is primarily a legal document, it is deeply intertwined with the religious beliefs and practices of ancient Babylonian society.
It's presented as divinely sanctioned by Shamash, the Babylonian God of Justice, but no. The laws themselves are primarily secular instead of religious doctrine. In short: It's a legal code and not religious text.
Since Texas did not exist except as a concept of an idea prior to 1836, I don’t think that this is true. And when I say I don’t think that this is true, what I meant to say is I don’t have the slightest reason to believe that it’s true. It’s just one of those things that they say that sounds like it ought to mean something, but it does not.
Never once and growing up did I consider the 10 Commandments to be anything but one of the many stories in the Bible that I thought was true, until I lost all vestiges of faith when I was around 18 years old. And yet, I’ve never murdered anybody, unlike the Christian armies of God, or the Jewish armies of God, or the Muslim armies of God. I loved my parents, but only as long as they were lovable, which didn’t last much beyond when I came out at the age of 21, 53 years ago. As an American, coveting is something I am entitled to do, encouraged to do by the very people who claimed that if I read the 10 Commandments, I wouldn’t be covetous. I did learn stealing was wrong, and I stopped doing it when I stopped needing attention as a young boy. Same thing with bearing false witness, and yet, these Christian support a man who lies as easily as he breathes.
The Bible is not a moral guide. It teaches you nothing about being Texan or Californian or Alabaman. In fact, I distinctly remember Christians telling me that the Old Testament is now merely the backstory, and only the New Testament is relevant. The moral Commandments of the Old Testament have been super preceded by the New Testament. As Jesus himself said, “a new covenant I give to you…”
Bible is not a moral guide. It it teaches nothing about morals. In fact, quite the opposite. It tells you that you can commit any atrocity, and if you sincerely apologize to Jesus, you’re good to go. It tells you that you have no moral responsibility because of original sin. It tells you to blame Satan for your lack of moral responsibility. It tells you that someone else will accept your punishment. It tells you that slavery is OK, the misogyny is OK, the mass murder is OK as long as God tells you to do it.
Of course they don't ... because then they'd have to acknowledge things like "graven images" and "other gods" and "keeping the Sabbath day," never mind the thought-crime implicit in the 10th commandment.
As for actually posting the 10Cs, that's been ruled on so many times that I've lost count. Yet David and Tim continue to prattle on about them as though they were somehow relevant. I suppose they might get points for consistency, but that's about it.
And *which* ten? Catholics don't even list the "graven images" one. Oh, sorry, I forgot: t's only one specific version. Boiling a kid (a goat, not that other kind of kid!) in its mother's milk, anyone?
As I said to my nephew yesterday (on another topic entirely): Jesus Fucking Christ on a Rainbow HoolaHoop. (Oy, those cray-crays are certainly good for a bit of levity, no?)
We don’t arrest people for breaking the Ten Commandments. We arrest people for breaking laws, two of which overlap with the Ten Commandments.
Our laws don’t come from the Ten Commandments, nor do many of the ethics we value in our country, our western society, the world at large. The Ten Commandments came from ideas that were already in place, particularly the two Barton Jr speaks of, but most of the rest of them as well were already floating around as values. But the first commandment is not really ethical at all. It is simply a power play, not really for the non-existent god it purports to come from, but the creators/leadership of the religion wishing to control the lives of those they’ve convinced to follow the religion. There are no ethics involved in dictating over others. No good ethics anyway, only corrupt.
Anyhoo, blow it out your ass, Barton. Both of you.
Went to Texas schools for 12 years and then 4 more in a Texas college. NEVER,NEVER saw, discussed or even heard about the Ten Suggestions. Talked about them in Sunday School, but never in real school.
These are basic rules for living in a society. No matter what part of the world you live in, people are aware and mostly abide by these rules for living in groups and communities.
And I know this will shock some people, but many of these parts of the world aren't christian, and have never needed or even read the Decalogue. And yet, no society promotes murder and theft.
Nope, keep your commandments in your churches. It's stupid to think that posting them in mandatory, secular public schools will make any difference in student behavior.
Clearly, this is just another tactic to ooze christianity into public schools, to access children's minds, and mold them into good little christians. That role belongs to the parents, in their home; not a pack of pushy christian politicians and powerful preachers. Parents need to speak up, and force those politicians back into their own lane. They were not elected to indoctrinate other people's kids!
I came across that same theory. That it was all about the Putnam family seizing on an opportunity (a general witchcraft hysteria that had already begun and was getting out of hand) to take possession of coveted land a neighbor refused to sell to them. IIRC, most of the accusations and or victims came from two of the most prominent families.
If the Ten Commandments were the basis of our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, then why didn't god institute a constitutional democracy in ancient Israel according to the myth of Exodus?
Why did Paul, a Pharisee, say that Christians should submit to a tyrannical autocracy?
You know, it's funny. I was alive in 1980, and I don't recall my parents having a fit about the removal of the Ten Commandments from classrooms, and rest assured they would have as lifetime Southern Baptists.
I've long found it interesting how folks like David and Tim Barton seem to think their god is such a wonderful guy, omnipotent and omnipresent; but then turn around and claim that performative religious practices would either fool or impress such a deity. These arguments the Bartons are presenting are wet tissue paper thin and deserve to be called out for their pathetic nature. There is no argument from tradition to be had when said tradition doesn't exist, so they're making one up and pretending it's real. There's no actual moral argument for the whole Commandments, so they're cherry picking the few that have a legal argument and hoping they won't be questioned. Realistically, if we wanted kids to learn morals, we could do that in classrooms via much more thorough and successful methods.
Once the fake reasons are taken down, it becomes apparent that the goal here is about exposing kids to Christianity young and getting into public school classrooms. I see no reason to allow these people, who have shown us the dubious nature of their own morality, any access to children to 'teach' their own morals even if it's only a poster on the wall.
Can we quote Jesus at them? My bible skills are a bit rusty, but I seem to remember him saying that we should give Caesar what is Caesar’s. Which means that Jesus recognised that there is a public realm, which per the constitution is secular.
Ie put up the religious stuff in religious places, but keep it out of the public spaces.
A wonderful god. A god of genocides, filicide and infanticide. A god that dumped plagues on innocent people. A god that punishes newborns with SIDS. A god that punishes toddlers with cancers and leukemia. Meanwhile I get told I will burn in hell for eternity because I love another man.
"We don’t arrest people for worshiping different gods, or making false idols, or saying “Goddamn,” or working on Sundays, or fighting with their parents, or having sex with people they’re not married to, or coveting what others have."
Not yet.
We are a couple of deep breaths away from Gilead.
Yep. That's what Christian nationalists like the Bartons are ultimately pushing for.
That was my thought when I read that sentence!
Any more.
There are perfectly good secular justifications for outlawing murder and robbery. Under certain specific conditions it can be illegal to lie. The rest of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law, and no one gets arrested for violating them. No university that wanted to hold on to its accreditation would hire either of the Barton's to teach history or any other subject for that matter. They put forward their ancient rule book as the solution to all the country's ills, while never grasping the fact this massively screwed up country is overwhelmingly the work product of believers.
A game for Christians: open the Bible ramdomly and do exactly what it tells you to do. Last one arrested wins.
Actually, no one has ever been arrested for violating the Ten Commandments in this country People get arrested for violating civil law, not a religious rule book from the infancy of human civilization. The Barton's know their audience though, and will continue to grift by telling them what they want to hear.
Oh great, I got the donkey verse. Excuse me while I go get my gloves...
If the Decalogue's presence actually worked, we wouldn't see preachers molesting kids, stealing from parishioners, begging for private jets and committing fraud.
Right? RIGHT???
And yet, we see reports every week, every day, some preacher getting busted with his hand in the till, or on somebody's child. Explain that, Barton!
Something, something, Adam and Eve, something, free will?
And what’s with these ‘Free Will Baptist’ churches I see along the roads? If you are a practicing Baptist, you have no free will. You have to tow the party line all the time… except when you are molesting some young girl.
Anyone can rent a building, call themselves a preacher, and tack 'Baptist' on their name. We have a large number of those here, mostly in lower income areas and some of these preachers are skeevy AF. Like the one who owned a corner market, and harvested goods from the local food bank. Big scandal! People surprised that a damn 'man of gawd' would behave in such a way. Didn't surprise me one bit!
It's always the girl's fault for tempting a man who cannot be expected to control himself. /S
Yep, they cannot keep their personal shit like their religion, or their dick, in their pants.
There are scores of Baptist sects. Freewill Baptists are non-Calvinists, which means they do not believe in being one of the elect. This makes "backsliding" an additional fear.
Or as the bigots say: "Adam and Eve! not Adam and Steve!" I vote for Adam and Steve, I bet they make a cute couple!
Why not Adam and Yves?
This is all about deflecting and diverting people’s attention off their flawed preachers. And if they get the whole shebang of 7 Mountains Dominionism, you’ll never hear another word about these guys. They are working very hard on this. All they need is for The Supremes to pass off on a couple of their test cases and they are home free.
You’re wrong about that. There’s nothing in the Bible, old or New Testament, that says you shouldn’t molest kids. Therefore, it’s perfectly fine.
Not important. Not like shellfish.
Or mixing fabrics.
Or women who won't sit down and STFU.
It doesn't say slavery and rape are wrong either.
Makes one wonder why these heinous crimes never made it in to the "Top Ten" list. Please help us understand what we're missing Mr. Barton. Or maybe Junior can help us to see the light.
Quibble, but there's a pretty good history of adultery being made illegal too. As well as blue laws preventing businesses being open on Sundays.
However all of that ends up becoming circular reasoning: the 10Cs were law only because when 10C believers are in charge they make it law. Not because anyone else had a background history or tradition of making it law.
My home state of Michigan still has at least one on the books: alcohol can be sold from 7 am to 2 am except on Sunday when it starts at noon. Also no alcohol sales period on Christmas day.
When I lived in Michigan, retail liquor sales ended at midnight on Saturday, but you could go to a bar and get smashed for two more hours until the bars closed.
My wife's family has a summer place in Lesterville, MO (population, 577, four Baptist churches). They burned down a bar/restaurant because the owner would sell six packs out the back door on Sundays.
That’s more than here: booze available in the shops from 10 am to 10 pm.
On the point of alcohol, what our government introduced a few years ago, was minimum pricing. It took a bit of getting used to, but it’s no big deal.
In Louisiana, you can't sell cars on Sunday.
AIUI Texas requires car dealerships to close either Saturday or Sunday, 99% close Sunday. But I suspect arranging financing on a Sunday is difficult.
The last I bought a car I found out that you couldn't do that on a Sunday in my county. Next county over, no problem. Weird.
So if you need to stock up on Captain Morgan for your egg nog toast on Christmas day, don't wait til the last minute.
What also gets me is that most of the rules in the Ten Commandments (especially the one's worth keeping) can be found in much older texts. But somehow, the Bible's presentation of them is supposed to be "special."
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𝑊ℎ𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑖𝑡'𝑠 𝑜𝑘𝑎𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑏𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑇𝑒𝑛 𝐶𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑘𝑎𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑇𝑒𝑛 𝐶𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠, 𝑡𝑜 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑖𝑡'𝑠 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔, 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡?
The Bartons appear to want to arrest students for not being Christians. They'll give religious Jews a pass until their Nazi overlords tell them not to.
"The Bartons appear to want to arrest students for not being Christians."
I'm convinced this is the end goal of the vast majority of Christian Nationalists.
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They don't care. They just want control.
And now, with Trump, they actually have it. A push to put prayer back in schools along with such crap as what the Bartons are promoting has likely already started, though I haven't heard much about it as of yet.
But make no mistake. It's coming.
Hemant reported on one already: the Alabama bill to withdraw funding from schools that don't mandate a Christian prayer.
What? What the actual [!!] (apologies for swearing)!
They want to defund schools who are abiding by the constitution?
Who had that brilliant (/s) idea? Oh, it’s Alabama. Have they sorted out their hookworm and sewage problems? Or maybe their thinking is that if everyone prays in school on a daily basis then God will sort it out?
PS - remind me, where is Alabama in the ranking for education and healthcare? Better - don’t. Don’t remind me, I can guess.
Alabama, the state that decided (against biological definitions) that IVF products of conception in cryogenic stasis were and I quote: "Extra-uterine children".
To the Alabama judge idiot that declared this bullshit: eggs fertilized, or not can be frozen. Children cannot.
I want to see the Fartons making a case for the dicktator in the WH to be arrested for committing adultery over and over and over.
They don't want to do that? Then they can just STFU.
They'll just cherry pick the verse about God ordained authorities to justify that. Just like they completely ignored it during the Biden administration.
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"it's okay to arrest students that break the Ten Commandments"
Show me the arrest warrant/court document that references the 10Cs.
We arrest students that break the Code of Hammurabi, why not post the Code of Hammurabi?
Because the Code of Hammurabi isn't CHRISTIAN, you silly!
[We won't mention that the 10Cs almost certainly BORROWED from Hammurabi ... or maybe WE WILL! 😁]
LOL, y'all know my love affair with Boondock Saints. And this reminds me of the scene in the courtroom, where the patriarch, il duce, addresses the court. "Don't steal. Don't murder." And if you cross that line, you will see "we three" behind you.
Now, THAT'S a deterrent!
I literally don't know. Is the Code of Hammurabi religious?
I asked Copilot:
"The Code of Hammurabi is not purely religious, but it does have significant religious elements. Created around 1754 BCE by King Hammurabi of Babylon, the code consists of 282 laws that governed various aspects of daily life, such as trade, labor, family relations, and civil rights1.
One of the key aspects of the Code of Hammurabi is its divine authority. Hammurabi claimed that the laws were given to him by the god Marduk, the chief deity of Babylon1. This connection to divine authority was crucial in legitimizing his rule and the laws he enacted. The prologue of the code even depicts Hammurabi receiving the laws from Shamash, the Babylonian sun god and god of justice2.
So, while the code itself is primarily a legal document, it is deeply intertwined with the religious beliefs and practices of ancient Babylonian society.
Does that help clarify things for you?"
Thank you. I’m still not up to speed on using AI.
It's presented as divinely sanctioned by Shamash, the Babylonian God of Justice, but no. The laws themselves are primarily secular instead of religious doctrine. In short: It's a legal code and not religious text.
Maybe we need to organize a large gathering to pray Shamash at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, D.C.
“ 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑎 𝑇𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑛, 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛” 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑇𝑒𝑛 𝐶𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠...’
Citation required. And not the Bible itself.
Since Texas did not exist except as a concept of an idea prior to 1836, I don’t think that this is true. And when I say I don’t think that this is true, what I meant to say is I don’t have the slightest reason to believe that it’s true. It’s just one of those things that they say that sounds like it ought to mean something, but it does not.
Never once and growing up did I consider the 10 Commandments to be anything but one of the many stories in the Bible that I thought was true, until I lost all vestiges of faith when I was around 18 years old. And yet, I’ve never murdered anybody, unlike the Christian armies of God, or the Jewish armies of God, or the Muslim armies of God. I loved my parents, but only as long as they were lovable, which didn’t last much beyond when I came out at the age of 21, 53 years ago. As an American, coveting is something I am entitled to do, encouraged to do by the very people who claimed that if I read the 10 Commandments, I wouldn’t be covetous. I did learn stealing was wrong, and I stopped doing it when I stopped needing attention as a young boy. Same thing with bearing false witness, and yet, these Christian support a man who lies as easily as he breathes.
The Bible is not a moral guide. It teaches you nothing about being Texan or Californian or Alabaman. In fact, I distinctly remember Christians telling me that the Old Testament is now merely the backstory, and only the New Testament is relevant. The moral Commandments of the Old Testament have been super preceded by the New Testament. As Jesus himself said, “a new covenant I give to you…”
Bible is not a moral guide. It it teaches nothing about morals. In fact, quite the opposite. It tells you that you can commit any atrocity, and if you sincerely apologize to Jesus, you’re good to go. It tells you that you have no moral responsibility because of original sin. It tells you to blame Satan for your lack of moral responsibility. It tells you that someone else will accept your punishment. It tells you that slavery is OK, the misogyny is OK, the mass murder is OK as long as God tells you to do it.
Upvote 1000 X.
All I heard was an admission that they want to jail people for not being part of their creepy death cult.
Get to build more for-profit prisons that way. Musk's next venture.
Don't need schools anymore. Turn them into prisons.
Quite a few people claim they already are.
Those convinced by force remain unconvinced.
Nothing shows god's love more than extortion.
Sooo, the Ten Commandments are now the ten Miranda warnings? This is your brain on religion. Any questions?
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑘 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝐶𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠.
Of course they don't ... because then they'd have to acknowledge things like "graven images" and "other gods" and "keeping the Sabbath day," never mind the thought-crime implicit in the 10th commandment.
As for actually posting the 10Cs, that's been ruled on so many times that I've lost count. Yet David and Tim continue to prattle on about them as though they were somehow relevant. I suppose they might get points for consistency, but that's about it.
They should try putting them in the churches first. Maybe then they might become passably decent humans.
Ooooo! BURN!
Indeed!
And *which* ten? Catholics don't even list the "graven images" one. Oh, sorry, I forgot: t's only one specific version. Boiling a kid (a goat, not that other kind of kid!) in its mother's milk, anyone?
Maybe the one that says “THOU SHALT COMMIT ADULTERY”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/10/22/17th-century-wicked-bible-instructs-readers-thou-shalt-commit-adultery/
Some mennonite offshoots of the batschitt cray-cray side of my family (from waaaaay back) believed that graven images included photographs.
As I said to my nephew yesterday (on another topic entirely): Jesus Fucking Christ on a Rainbow HoolaHoop. (Oy, those cray-crays are certainly good for a bit of levity, no?)
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We don’t arrest people for breaking the Ten Commandments. We arrest people for breaking laws, two of which overlap with the Ten Commandments.
Our laws don’t come from the Ten Commandments, nor do many of the ethics we value in our country, our western society, the world at large. The Ten Commandments came from ideas that were already in place, particularly the two Barton Jr speaks of, but most of the rest of them as well were already floating around as values. But the first commandment is not really ethical at all. It is simply a power play, not really for the non-existent god it purports to come from, but the creators/leadership of the religion wishing to control the lives of those they’ve convinced to follow the religion. There are no ethics involved in dictating over others. No good ethics anyway, only corrupt.
Anyhoo, blow it out your ass, Barton. Both of you.
IF you need a god to be moral,, you are just a psychopath on a leash.
Gotta break it out again!
𝐼𝑓 𝑖𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑠.
-- Leo Wolf
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Went to Texas schools for 12 years and then 4 more in a Texas college. NEVER,NEVER saw, discussed or even heard about the Ten Suggestions. Talked about them in Sunday School, but never in real school.
And so it should be!
And look how YOU turned out. ;-)
"Don't steal. Don't murder."
These are basic rules for living in a society. No matter what part of the world you live in, people are aware and mostly abide by these rules for living in groups and communities.
And I know this will shock some people, but many of these parts of the world aren't christian, and have never needed or even read the Decalogue. And yet, no society promotes murder and theft.
Nope, keep your commandments in your churches. It's stupid to think that posting them in mandatory, secular public schools will make any difference in student behavior.
Clearly, this is just another tactic to ooze christianity into public schools, to access children's minds, and mold them into good little christians. That role belongs to the parents, in their home; not a pack of pushy christian politicians and powerful preachers. Parents need to speak up, and force those politicians back into their own lane. They were not elected to indoctrinate other people's kids!
"And yet, no society promotes murder and theft."
I beg to differ. Denouncing witches allowed the accusator to get their belongings.
I recently saw (in French) a video about the Salem witches trial that hypothesised it started with a feud between two families and money.
I came across that same theory. That it was all about the Putnam family seizing on an opportunity (a general witchcraft hysteria that had already begun and was getting out of hand) to take possession of coveted land a neighbor refused to sell to them. IIRC, most of the accusations and or victims came from two of the most prominent families.
If the Ten Commandments were the basis of our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, then why didn't god institute a constitutional democracy in ancient Israel according to the myth of Exodus?
Why did Paul, a Pharisee, say that Christians should submit to a tyrannical autocracy?
You know, it's funny. I was alive in 1980, and I don't recall my parents having a fit about the removal of the Ten Commandments from classrooms, and rest assured they would have as lifetime Southern Baptists.
I've long found it interesting how folks like David and Tim Barton seem to think their god is such a wonderful guy, omnipotent and omnipresent; but then turn around and claim that performative religious practices would either fool or impress such a deity. These arguments the Bartons are presenting are wet tissue paper thin and deserve to be called out for their pathetic nature. There is no argument from tradition to be had when said tradition doesn't exist, so they're making one up and pretending it's real. There's no actual moral argument for the whole Commandments, so they're cherry picking the few that have a legal argument and hoping they won't be questioned. Realistically, if we wanted kids to learn morals, we could do that in classrooms via much more thorough and successful methods.
Once the fake reasons are taken down, it becomes apparent that the goal here is about exposing kids to Christianity young and getting into public school classrooms. I see no reason to allow these people, who have shown us the dubious nature of their own morality, any access to children to 'teach' their own morals even if it's only a poster on the wall.
I was also alive in 1980 (graduated HS the year before). I don't remember the 10Cs ever being up to take down.
It was like the Hokey Pokey.
You put the commandments up.
You put the commandments down.
You put the commandments up
And you threaten everyone around.
Do the hocus pocus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyxSvZOby54
Bette's busy.
You do the holy moly and you turn it all around
That's what it's all about.
Can we quote Jesus at them? My bible skills are a bit rusty, but I seem to remember him saying that we should give Caesar what is Caesar’s. Which means that Jesus recognised that there is a public realm, which per the constitution is secular.
Ie put up the religious stuff in religious places, but keep it out of the public spaces.
A wonderful god. A god of genocides, filicide and infanticide. A god that dumped plagues on innocent people. A god that punishes newborns with SIDS. A god that punishes toddlers with cancers and leukemia. Meanwhile I get told I will burn in hell for eternity because I love another man.
Goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn,
goddamn, goddamn, goddamn, goddamn
Huh, not even a bolt of lightning. 🙄
Welllll, "taking the Lord's name in vain" doesn't really mean cussing. It refers to people using the name of God to enrich themselves.
Now who does THAT sound like, eh? :)
Good one!
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(More than a god can do.)
When I was a kid I bought an Uncle Fester 💡 that lit up when you stuck it in your mouth. 😀
How cool! Now I want one!
But they missed their targets in Austin, DC, Tallahassee and several other capitals.
Hell, I could probably build a Tesla coil or a Van de Graaff generator if I were sufficiently motivated!