There is no evidence what-so-ever to support the claim posting the Ten Commandments in the public school classrooms accomplishes anything worthwhile. These movements are all about conservative Christians attempting to mark their territory in the public schools that are supported by everyoneβs tax dollars. Itβs all about attempting to institutionalize the sense of Christian privilege. One of the ironies that goes sailing right over their Christian heads is that eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law.
Of course not. All that law amounts to (outside of opening up the opportunity to frustrate itself!) is Christian territory-marking. Outside of that, it has neither functionality nor practical value.
I keep thinking about school shootings like the one in Uvalde, TX where posting a 10 C likeness would have done nothing to protect anyone. Even armed Texas policeβ¦real thingsβ¦failed to prevent that tragedy.
This is what happens when legislators are more invested in APPEARANCE than they are in SUBSTANCE. The whole sizzle-versus-steak thing was tiresome 10 squares back, and I am somewhat astonished that Texas governmental officials haven't learned from their mistake.
That band β Austin Lounge Lizards β has a lot of very witty almost parody-like songs.
Thereβs βLeonard Cohenβs Day Jobβ. Leonard is a car mechanic in the song and the lyrics reference several Cohen songs (βDid you have a good time in Berlin?β)
Thereβs a song that mocks the strong silent man. βPaint me on Velvetβ.
βThe Ballad of Ronald Reaganβ from the 80s.
A song about Satan. βNeighbor of the Beastβ. where the singer grew up next door to Satan. Satan got teased a lot by other kids.
A broken-hearted love song about acid rain called βAcid Rainβ. The singer falls in love with a Canadian environmentalist but their romance is doomed by pollution. βWent canoeing on the lake. The fish were floating by. She read me her manifesto. I had no reply. Acid rain! Keep on fallingβ. While her name I am callingβ. Itβs not my fault. Iβm not to blameβ¦.for the placid acid rainβ
It's more desperation to get at the young who are not going to church, including Sunday school. their numbers continue to fall (Yay !) and they are trying to hold back the inevitable.
I love this line from Hemant's article :"At some point, the Texas courts are going to have to figure out if religious freedom only applies to Christians or everyone else."
These three women are doing what everyone who believes in the separation of church and state should be doing: using conservative Christianityβs laws written to protect conservative Christians AGAINST conservative Christians.
Texas lets people use vouchers to attend private, presumably Christian schools. Fine: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and especially atheists should be creating their own private schools and letting people use vouchers to attend the schools. When Texas objects, we simply tell them that they are impinging on our religious freedom.
The Texas legislature demands that all schools and all classrooms have pictures of the 10 Commandments (in King Jamesβ English) posted in prominent places. Iβm aware of how religion influences culture, and vice versa. We could have posters of Shema YβIsrael, the first Surah the Quran, passages from the Bhagavad Gita, the Sikh Adi Granth, and especially atheist philosophers (Iβd recommend Bertrand Russell for the beauty and depth of his writing). When Christian conservatives object β and they will β then we turn around and say that theyβre impinging on our religious freedom.
Weβre going to win this argument by using Christian conservativesβ laws right back on them, against them.
It won't happen because opponents will claim that they played no part in our history unlike their claim for the ten commandments. Of course, that's a dodge they're using to justify putting the ten commandments in schools.
Hail Satan! How DARE you say respect bodily autonomy, correct your mistakes, there are no deities and follow the scientific method. BLASPHEMY straight from a none existent hell. I fart in your general direction. Thats my summary of the 7 tenets of satanism. Just goes to show you that Yahweh was a psychopath and Satan the good guy.
If I were a teacher in Texas this is exactly what I would do. Because the law doesn't state that ONLY the Ten Commandments must be posted on classroom walls.
Christians don't even want religious liberty to apply to other Christians. They are forever battling each other to be Top Dog (or Top God, in their case).
45,000 sects of the same religion reveals just how fractured they are and can't even agree with one another even as they want us to agree with them.
I donβt even think itβs one religion. I refer to the Christian religions (and boy does that annoy some folks at CP!). A religion that believes god sanctifies same sex marriage and a religion that believes god punishes homosexuality for all eternity canβt be the same religion. Heck, they might not even have the same god.
Do you ever read your bible? These are not, repeat NOT, the actual Ten Commandments. I'd rather see THOSE go up. Endless entertainment in getting people to follow the REAL 10 C.
I lived in Austin, Texas for by far most of my life. I can tell you that the prostitutes on the south and east side of Austin do a booming business when the Texas legislature is in town!
Texas pays lip service (I know: bad choice of words!) to the commandment of βnot committing adulteryβ). Look at the Republican candidate for Senate.
Texas Republicans are only too happy to dump their parents and nursing homes β and walk away, rarely to see their parents again.
β Theyβre using the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act to make their argument. That law, passed in 1999, says the government canβt substantially burden someoneβs free exercise of religion. Theyβre also citing the more recently passed βParental Rights Amendment,β which gives parents the right to control their kidsβ upbringing.β
NOW, DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING REGARDING STATE LAWS AND TRANSGENDER AND GAY KIDS! !NOW!
there is going to be a terrible damn mess to clean up when these nationalist-Christiansβ letβs just call themNat-Cβs and be done with itβ are out of power. And again, we need an explicitly defined unambiguous separation of church and state at every level of government.
Orbon and Poland had the Catholic Church behind them. Russia has the Orthodox Church behind it. Israel has the orthodox Jews behind it. And of course, most of the Muslim world has Islam behind it.
The conservative love of power and money gives them motivation and strength. But it ought to do the same thing for people who want to be free of people stuck in a culture and worldview that havenβt existed for centuries, and which has no place in a modern world.
Evangelical Christianity has always been morally and spiritually bankrupt. The very fact that they support Paxton and Trump says simply that morality only matters when they can enforce it on other people. Other peopleβs money only matters when it actually is other peopleβs money and not theirs. Parental rights matter only when you donβt like what other parents choose for their children. Freedom of religion is for me, but you have the freedom to follow my religion. β give away all that you have and follow meβ is what Jesus said. Power and money hungry evangelicals say βgive me all that you have and follow Jesus.β
Emerson said:β "Don't say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary."
I hope we can take our country back. The world hopes so too, because they are in danger of the same thing.
As most of us understand, "religious liberty" is code for Christian promotion. I hate the disingenuousness of it and the lie by omission. If the Texas state government really thought that everyone was on board with their attempt to force Christianity over all other religions, why don't they just come out and say that? Why do they have to reframe it in neutral terms?
They reframe it in neutral terms because they know they are in the wrong. They just hope to get enough of their horseshit passed so that by the time they make Christianity mandatory there will be no way left to fight.
No shit. I wonder if Tex-ass courts rule that the 10c posters are indeed promoting a Christian majority by the state, will there then be a federal suit to challenge them again? Additional findings and all.
Remember the favorite term of Republicans a few decades ago? "Unfunded mandates." Well, it would be hard to find a better example of "ordering people to acquire something for which they also have to pay.
Remember how they squealed over unelected radical judges legislating from the bench? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The fifth circuit is notorious for the radical rulings that undermine the constitution and making up laws from the bench, but they love the fifth circuit for it. Any judge or circuit that doesnβt uphold their hypocritical agenda are terrible radicals legislating from the bench.
Slap a little faux gold along the edges, and you've got the perfect decoration for the Oval Office, although it's unlikely its occupant will read anything that long.
I'd like to see Texas xtians go after any 10 C displays (especially monuments) because it requires making graven images, which is strictly forbidden by their 2nd Commandment.
I keep asking xtians what the 10 C has to do with them when they were meant only for the Chosen People and were made long before Jesus was allegedly born. I never get an answer from them.
Except that he also said he didnβt come to abolish the Old Law (OT), but to fulfill it. He even went so far as to say that until heaven and earth disappear, not least stroke of a pen nor the smallest letter will by any means disappear from the Old Law until everything has been accomplished.
Earth hasnβt disappeared and heaven isnβt real. To top it off, Jesus did not accomplish everything before he died and has yet to return. The OT is still in force.
Well I learned something today. I've long appreciated and understood many aspects of Hinduism, even named my kids after characters from the Mahabarata. But I thought Jainism was just another flavor among the multitude of Eastern religions. Wikipedia to the rescue. Lots of practices and beliefs, but nope, no creator. Just an uncreated, infinite universe. Love it.
A better strategy would be to sue for having tenets of other beliefs systems posted alongside the King James Ten Commandments. Paper the walls with ethical guidance from across the entire Human spectrum. This would give the students the opportunity to compare and contrast various belief systems, in other words: to be Educated about Religion. All this public parental squabbling isnβt showing them *anything* good.
My suggestion for the Atheist Tenet β βWho Needs God? Be Good For Goodnessβs Sake.β
They are relying on "historical tradition" to place the 10cs. Perhaps we should point out that Jefferson owned a Quran and there were likely Muslims fighting against the British during the revolution to insist on the Five Pillars of Islam posted right next to the 10cs. How fast would they backtrack?
Donβt forget that Christianβs have been accusing atheists of being satanists millennia before The Satanic Temple ever existed or came up the the 7 tenets. We will be accursed no matter what, TST just uses the accusations as weapons against them. Laughing at them.
There is no evidence what-so-ever to support the claim posting the Ten Commandments in the public school classrooms accomplishes anything worthwhile. These movements are all about conservative Christians attempting to mark their territory in the public schools that are supported by everyoneβs tax dollars. Itβs all about attempting to institutionalize the sense of Christian privilege. One of the ironies that goes sailing right over their Christian heads is that eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law.
πβπππ ππ ππ ππ£ππππππ π€βππ‘-π π-ππ£ππ π‘π π π’πππππ‘ π‘βπ πππππ πππ π‘πππ π‘βπ πππ πΆππππππππππ‘π ππ π‘βπ ππ’ππππ π πβπππ ππππ π πππππ πππππππππ βππ πππ¦π‘βπππ π€πππ‘βπ€βπππ.
Of course not. All that law amounts to (outside of opening up the opportunity to frustrate itself!) is Christian territory-marking. Outside of that, it has neither functionality nor practical value.
I keep thinking about school shootings like the one in Uvalde, TX where posting a 10 C likeness would have done nothing to protect anyone. Even armed Texas policeβ¦real thingsβ¦failed to prevent that tragedy.
This is what happens when legislators are more invested in APPEARANCE than they are in SUBSTANCE. The whole sizzle-versus-steak thing was tiresome 10 squares back, and I am somewhat astonished that Texas governmental officials haven't learned from their mistake.
Donβt you know? Everything is bigger in Texas. The stupidity, in particular.
βStupid Texas Songβ
https://youtu.be/aPvLD7HSUDY?si=T0wbrvvTBaQ-H8jw
*NoGodz raises oversized beer mug*
That link didn't play for me, but this one does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nN7txUSrgs
The lyrics to the song are here:
https://www.songlyrics.com/austin-lounge-lizards/stupid-texas-song-lyrics/
That band β Austin Lounge Lizards β has a lot of very witty almost parody-like songs.
Thereβs βLeonard Cohenβs Day Jobβ. Leonard is a car mechanic in the song and the lyrics reference several Cohen songs (βDid you have a good time in Berlin?β)
Thereβs a song that mocks the strong silent man. βPaint me on Velvetβ.
βThe Ballad of Ronald Reaganβ from the 80s.
A song about Satan. βNeighbor of the Beastβ. where the singer grew up next door to Satan. Satan got teased a lot by other kids.
A broken-hearted love song about acid rain called βAcid Rainβ. The singer falls in love with a Canadian environmentalist but their romance is doomed by pollution. βWent canoeing on the lake. The fish were floating by. She read me her manifesto. I had no reply. Acid rain! Keep on fallingβ. While her name I am callingβ. Itβs not my fault. Iβm not to blameβ¦.for the placid acid rainβ
It's more desperation to get at the young who are not going to church, including Sunday school. their numbers continue to fall (Yay !) and they are trying to hold back the inevitable.
I love this line from Hemant's article :"At some point, the Texas courts are going to have to figure out if religious freedom only applies to Christians or everyone else."
It accomplishes social coercion to go along with the majority. Which is the point.
These three women are doing what everyone who believes in the separation of church and state should be doing: using conservative Christianityβs laws written to protect conservative Christians AGAINST conservative Christians.
Texas lets people use vouchers to attend private, presumably Christian schools. Fine: Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and especially atheists should be creating their own private schools and letting people use vouchers to attend the schools. When Texas objects, we simply tell them that they are impinging on our religious freedom.
The Texas legislature demands that all schools and all classrooms have pictures of the 10 Commandments (in King Jamesβ English) posted in prominent places. Iβm aware of how religion influences culture, and vice versa. We could have posters of Shema YβIsrael, the first Surah the Quran, passages from the Bhagavad Gita, the Sikh Adi Granth, and especially atheist philosophers (Iβd recommend Bertrand Russell for the beauty and depth of his writing). When Christian conservatives object β and they will β then we turn around and say that theyβre impinging on our religious freedom.
Weβre going to win this argument by using Christian conservativesβ laws right back on them, against them.
I would just like to see the Satanic Tenets put up next to the 10C.
It won't happen because opponents will claim that they played no part in our history unlike their claim for the ten commandments. Of course, that's a dodge they're using to justify putting the ten commandments in schools.
Hail Satan! How DARE you say respect bodily autonomy, correct your mistakes, there are no deities and follow the scientific method. BLASPHEMY straight from a none existent hell. I fart in your general direction. Thats my summary of the 7 tenets of satanism. Just goes to show you that Yahweh was a psychopath and Satan the good guy.
Yes, they did.
https://youtu.be/ZAyW459eyjI?t=143
The Code of Hammurabi does, post it.
You have clearly stated what my comment was to be about and you saved me a lot of time. Thank you.
Youβre certainly welcome! π
If I were a teacher in Texas this is exactly what I would do. Because the law doesn't state that ONLY the Ten Commandments must be posted on classroom walls.
I love it. The moms are using the law AGAINST the law! Nothing like a little legal jujitsu to brighten your day!
Christians don't even want religious liberty to apply to other Christians. They are forever battling each other to be Top Dog (or Top God, in their case).
45,000 sects of the same religion reveals just how fractured they are and can't even agree with one another even as they want us to agree with them.
I donβt even think itβs one religion. I refer to the Christian religions (and boy does that annoy some folks at CP!). A religion that believes god sanctifies same sex marriage and a religion that believes god punishes homosexuality for all eternity canβt be the same religion. Heck, they might not even have the same god.
To Texas lawmakers:
Do you ever read your bible? These are not, repeat NOT, the actual Ten Commandments. I'd rather see THOSE go up. Endless entertainment in getting people to follow the REAL 10 C.
I lived in Austin, Texas for by far most of my life. I can tell you that the prostitutes on the south and east side of Austin do a booming business when the Texas legislature is in town!
Texas pays lip service (I know: bad choice of words!) to the commandment of βnot committing adulteryβ). Look at the Republican candidate for Senate.
Texas Republicans are only too happy to dump their parents and nursing homes β and walk away, rarely to see their parents again.
You are asking them to read. Silly Nogodz.
Foolish of me, I know.
Excuse me. I have to go milk my goat so I can boil its kid in it.
β Theyβre using the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act to make their argument. That law, passed in 1999, says the government canβt substantially burden someoneβs free exercise of religion. Theyβre also citing the more recently passed βParental Rights Amendment,β which gives parents the right to control their kidsβ upbringing.β
NOW, DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING REGARDING STATE LAWS AND TRANSGENDER AND GAY KIDS! !NOW!
there is going to be a terrible damn mess to clean up when these nationalist-Christiansβ letβs just call themNat-Cβs and be done with itβ are out of power. And again, we need an explicitly defined unambiguous separation of church and state at every level of government.
Orbon and Poland had the Catholic Church behind them. Russia has the Orthodox Church behind it. Israel has the orthodox Jews behind it. And of course, most of the Muslim world has Islam behind it.
The conservative love of power and money gives them motivation and strength. But it ought to do the same thing for people who want to be free of people stuck in a culture and worldview that havenβt existed for centuries, and which has no place in a modern world.
Evangelical Christianity has always been morally and spiritually bankrupt. The very fact that they support Paxton and Trump says simply that morality only matters when they can enforce it on other people. Other peopleβs money only matters when it actually is other peopleβs money and not theirs. Parental rights matter only when you donβt like what other parents choose for their children. Freedom of religion is for me, but you have the freedom to follow my religion. β give away all that you have and follow meβ is what Jesus said. Power and money hungry evangelicals say βgive me all that you have and follow Jesus.β
Emerson said:β "Don't say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary."
I hope we can take our country back. The world hopes so too, because they are in danger of the same thing.
Bravo!
As most of us understand, "religious liberty" is code for Christian promotion. I hate the disingenuousness of it and the lie by omission. If the Texas state government really thought that everyone was on board with their attempt to force Christianity over all other religions, why don't they just come out and say that? Why do they have to reframe it in neutral terms?
They reframe it in neutral terms because they know they are in the wrong. They just hope to get enough of their horseshit passed so that by the time they make Christianity mandatory there will be no way left to fight.
πβππ¦ π ππ¦ π‘βπ πΆππππππππππ‘π ... π€πππ ππππ π π’ππ π‘βπππ ππππ π‘π βππππ π‘βπ ππππππππ‘ πΆβπππ π‘πππ πππππππ‘π¦ ππππππ‘ππ ππ¦ π‘βπ ππ‘ππ‘π.β
No shit. I wonder if Tex-ass courts rule that the 10c posters are indeed promoting a Christian majority by the state, will there then be a federal suit to challenge them again? Additional findings and all.
Remember the favorite term of Republicans a few decades ago? "Unfunded mandates." Well, it would be hard to find a better example of "ordering people to acquire something for which they also have to pay.
They only hate unfunded mandates when they aren't the ones mandating.
Remember how they squealed over unelected radical judges legislating from the bench? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The fifth circuit is notorious for the radical rulings that undermine the constitution and making up laws from the bench, but they love the fifth circuit for it. Any judge or circuit that doesnβt uphold their hypocritical agenda are terrible radicals legislating from the bench.
Good, letβs use their weapons against them.
Jesus Judo.
I support these parents taking these anti American A$zholes to the cleaners.
OT: I'll be going dark for a while. Personal reasons, so don't think the worst.
Take care of yourself, and we'll see you soon.
Iβve been waiting for someone to use these religious βfreedomβ and parental rights laws against the Christian territory marking. Love it!
Maintenance! We need a mop and bucket. There's been some territory marking on aisle 3.
Slap a little faux gold along the edges, and you've got the perfect decoration for the Oval Office, although it's unlikely its occupant will read anything that long.
Well, he's violated every one of those commandments himself, some of them repeatedly, especially coveting his neighbor's cattle.
And the lying bit. Don't forget the lying.
What was it? 35k during his first term?
See my answer to Zorgin. :)
30,000+
30,573 in his 1st term. And the lies haven't stopped since then. He lies in his sleep.
I'd like to see Texas xtians go after any 10 C displays (especially monuments) because it requires making graven images, which is strictly forbidden by their 2nd Commandment.
Maybe we can get the conservative Catholics to complain about the Protestant numbering. Then Jews to complain about the Christian numbering.
I keep asking xtians what the 10 C has to do with them when they were meant only for the Chosen People and were made long before Jesus was allegedly born. I never get an answer from them.
First you ask them to read, now you ask for critical thinking? Are you ok? π
Reading about their antics has had my forehead put a dent in my table.
Yep, Jebus brought a new covenant which means out with the old.
Except that he also said he didnβt come to abolish the Old Law (OT), but to fulfill it. He even went so far as to say that until heaven and earth disappear, not least stroke of a pen nor the smallest letter will by any means disappear from the Old Law until everything has been accomplished.
Earth hasnβt disappeared and heaven isnβt real. To top it off, Jesus did not accomplish everything before he died and has yet to return. The OT is still in force.
Well I learned something today. I've long appreciated and understood many aspects of Hinduism, even named my kids after characters from the Mahabarata. But I thought Jainism was just another flavor among the multitude of Eastern religions. Wikipedia to the rescue. Lots of practices and beliefs, but nope, no creator. Just an uncreated, infinite universe. Love it.
It's the religion Hemant was born into...at least according to Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemant_Mehta
Buddhism also does not have a central deity.
A better strategy would be to sue for having tenets of other beliefs systems posted alongside the King James Ten Commandments. Paper the walls with ethical guidance from across the entire Human spectrum. This would give the students the opportunity to compare and contrast various belief systems, in other words: to be Educated about Religion. All this public parental squabbling isnβt showing them *anything* good.
My suggestion for the Atheist Tenet β βWho Needs God? Be Good For Goodnessβs Sake.β
They are relying on "historical tradition" to place the 10cs. Perhaps we should point out that Jefferson owned a Quran and there were likely Muslims fighting against the British during the revolution to insist on the Five Pillars of Islam posted right next to the 10cs. How fast would they backtrack?
Oh, we donβt want them to backtrack. We want the kids to have as much factual information as possible.
The Seven Fundamental Tenets of TST.
I wasnβt aware of those, but, looking them up, I can see why Christians view Atheists as Satanists.
Of course religionists see scientific reason, bodily autonomy and simple humanity as βof the Devil β’β
Among many other good ideasπ
What if every classroom in the country adopted the idea? Thereβs no law that says they canβt.
Donβt forget that Christianβs have been accusing atheists of being satanists millennia before The Satanic Temple ever existed or came up the the 7 tenets. We will be accursed no matter what, TST just uses the accusations as weapons against them. Laughing at them.
They're mostly just scared little kids, so they'll latch onto any ad hominem they can think of.
But if we post the 10 Commandments in primary schools at least these kids won't be committing adultery!
Or coveting someone's wife.
But Stacy's mom has got it going on!
Stacey's mom Seems to have been a fellow country person of mine.
Primary school mothers really might be MILFs.
Oh, great. Now youβve laid down a TikTok challenge. Way to go!