It is completely lost on the people who try to force the Ten Commandments into the public square, that eight of the Commandments are purely religious and would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. In spite of this obvious fact, Christians keep tying themselves in knots trying to claim our Constitution and this country are somehow based on them. The Constitution never mentions the Commandments, Jesus or the Bible. These are not accidental omissions.
The eight purely religious and unconstitutional commandements is what those religious facists want people to learn and acknowledge as legitimate laws. It's freaking scary how bold they have become after TYG entered his second period.
And what does a set of laws meant only for the Chosen People have to do with Christianity anyway? Hell, Christians don't even obey the Ten Commandments NOW.
In Texas they’ve been trying to install the Ten Commandments in all public school classrooms. They’ve even tried to pass a law to require them. Their debate was hilarious because not only was the representative in school to become a Protestant minister, but he, and several others, pointed out that they were breaking the sabbath to work on the bill.
An argument made for requiring the commandments to be displayed in public schools usually includes the “fact” that our laws are based on them. Funny, I don’t remember any laws about having no other gods before that one, or requiring church attendance, or honoring your parents, or making envy of things owned by your neighbor, like his wife!, illegal. There may have been some laws about adultery at some point, but I would like to see someone explain what adultery even is to first graders. Oddly enough there aren’t even any commandments about homosexuals or transsexuals. I think that if so-called Christians were to make up a set of commandments today, the list would be far longer than ten.
And Barton always leaves out the part where puritans like Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams, whose views differed from the powers that be in the Massachussetts Bay colony, were evicted from the intolerant theocracy of Massachusetts Bay. Williams went on to found the colony of Rhode Island based on religious tolerance. But real history like that, of course, doesn't fit Barton's narrative.
Thanks for mentioning Roger Williams. I am originally from Rhode Island and know that his contributions tend to get overlooked in favor of Thomas Jefferson.
I read a book called "I, Roger Williams" by Mary Lee Settle a few years ago and couldn't believe a man whose history was so rich and whose contributions to religious freedom in America is also so overlooked.
“My ancestors were Puritans from England. They arrived here in 1648 in the hope of finding greater restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time.”
Susan: Point well made. Talarico and Noble had this same fight two years ago. I hope Talarico goes on to higher office... like the Governor and maybe later President.
He’s quite young but looks to be some much needed new blood in the Democratic Party. I’m a boomer myself, but I think we’ve had our turn at bat and now we need some new players.
But the "chosen people" were only "chosen" in their self-serving bible: christians' old testament. By self-serving, for example, the Israelites in their book have their "god" command them to genocide against Canaanites, including children, to justify stealing the Canaanites lands. Who but present day Israelites and some christian fanatics believe that the warmongers in the OT are "chosen" by some imaginary "god"?
Is Dullard really trying to tell us that his masturbation fantasy couldn't find a single home on church property there? Even Jonah's whale couldn't swallow that.
Thing is, they don't WANT to put it at a church or anything else on privately held land. This is TERRITORY-MARKING, and that requires a public space or facility.
They think they can piss on the government and get away with it. I am seriously hoping they get proved VERY WRONG.
“Live and let live.” Such a simple concept. So easy to execute. It makes life better for everyone. Except these moldy fucking Christians and their “my way or the highway”approach to life. Why do they need to impose their values on others? Does that help reinforce their incredible fantasies about an invisible omnipotent entity?
That slab of granite would sure look good on top of those law breaking Christians.
The people who do stupid stuff like this haven't the means to consider "live and let live." Their own insecurity regarding their belief system all but mandates that they do everything in their power to get EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH THEM. Sadly, it never occurs to them that those of us who have no belief and are firm in that position have long since rejected their foolishness and have no reason to give it further consideration.
If their faith were all that strong, this whole 10Cs business would likely not even be necessary for them ... and yet they mush on. Stupid and foolish.
In his own eyes the sheriff is probably practicing live and let live. He just sees the courthouse and public government buildings as 'his.' So why are you trying to tell him how to decorate his own house?
That's the core problem, IMO. The christian privilege. Manifest destiny. Fundie christians see the US as theirs, and so they just want all you guests to let them live in their house the way they want.
Yes, that is one of the best summaries I have seen so far. That is the way they are taught to regard "their" world and the heathens that also infest the shadows.
A little OT: I'm not sure how widespread this teaching is, since I have never heard it from any other place and time except from this one preacher we had at our church for a couple of years -- this is a paraphrase of what he would usually say, as I recall:
"We are constantly surrounded by evil spirits. The very air around us is FILLED with them! Demons. The devil's invisible angels. The principalities of the air. We can't see them. If we could actually see how many evil spirits there are surrounding us we would be too terrified to move...." blah blah blah.
Then he would insert some anecdote that "proved" the existence of these evil spirits, usually something stupid that when I think about it now, sounds made-up, then finish with how "the spirit of the Lord protects his people from the principalities of the air who cluster around the heads and hearts of the heathen."
Yeesh, this kind of crap used to scare the daylights out of me. In my defense, I couldn't have been more than eight or none at the time.
It has to do with The Great Commission that is constantly drilled into the head of every Evangelical: "Go ye into all the world, and preach my gospel to every people." It's like programming robots. Literally nothing else computes when it comes up against that kind of brainwashing.
*** Looks at the list, then back at the graven image that I am craving. Looks back at the list***. Shit, looks like my job of craving graven images has come to an end. I guess I will have to go back to my old job of boiling kid goats in their mother's milk. *** Looks at the list again*** You got to be fucking kidding me.
I think we should put up quotes from the bible that refute the commandments. For example, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or, Love your neighbor as yourself. Besides, the bible is full of commandments that are insane, unethical and evil, but not included in the ten. Why don't they post the commandments about beating your wife and children, selling your wife and daughters into slavery, plus the really stupid ones about what kind of cloth to wear.
That's what Bible Study is for: to AVOID verses like those at all costs! Bible study, above and beyond anything else, is about having the bible read to you, NOT actually reading the entire bible!
"Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
-- Matthew 5:17-18
Has the earth disappeared, Christians? Has your Jesus returned to set up his kingdom...or returned, period? Guess what? You are still under the Old Law.
I'm so grateful that not only do I live in a note secular country, it's one with state and federal anti-corruption commissions who would be all over this misuse of a public officer's time and public money.
That list of yours (found in Exodus 20) isn't the 10 Commandments. They were never called that and they were smashed without ever going into effect.
If you want to wave your dick in people's faces with this tripe, at least get the right set found in Exodus 34 and actually called the Ten Commandments in Verse 28. Let's see how many Christians obey celebrating the Festival of Weeks or avoid boiling a kid goat in its mother's milk, among other howlers found in THAT set.
To which I add: "NO FREAKING KIDDING!" And as Hemant notes, no, the principle of State / Church separation has NOT been voided by the Supreme Court (though some of their rulings haven't helped matters), and said principle mandates that local and state governments maintain NEUTRALITY as regards religion.
As for the lawsuit, per usual, more time and public monies wasted on something that never should have happened in the first place. Likely no lessons learned, either, as the offending parties' pocketbooks and wallets will not be impacted by fines or court costs.
Nope, won't learn a damned thing, except how to dig their heels in deeper for the glory of Gawd, for whom they are enduring all these trials and tribulations.
It is completely lost on the people who try to force the Ten Commandments into the public square, that eight of the Commandments are purely religious and would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. In spite of this obvious fact, Christians keep tying themselves in knots trying to claim our Constitution and this country are somehow based on them. The Constitution never mentions the Commandments, Jesus or the Bible. These are not accidental omissions.
The eight purely religious and unconstitutional commandements is what those religious facists want people to learn and acknowledge as legitimate laws. It's freaking scary how bold they have become after TYG entered his second period.
In spite of there being nothing in the Constitution or any statute to support their objective.
And they themselves don’t follow it either.
TYG?
Thank you, Ganesh ?
Tip Your Guide.
The Yellow Guy, aka DT.
You mean TOG
The Orange Guy.
Maybe, he has change his skin colour from all yellow to a big bit orange. He is not a stable anything.
It is not lost on them at all.
I mean just look at the Logan Street Baptist Church letter. 'Purely religious' is the aim.
They keep trying because GAWD. Reasons don't matter. The purpose is to showcase and glorify gawd, and, as others have noted, mark territory.
Good!
And what does a set of laws meant only for the Chosen People have to do with Christianity anyway? Hell, Christians don't even obey the Ten Commandments NOW.
In Texas they’ve been trying to install the Ten Commandments in all public school classrooms. They’ve even tried to pass a law to require them. Their debate was hilarious because not only was the representative in school to become a Protestant minister, but he, and several others, pointed out that they were breaking the sabbath to work on the bill.
An argument made for requiring the commandments to be displayed in public schools usually includes the “fact” that our laws are based on them. Funny, I don’t remember any laws about having no other gods before that one, or requiring church attendance, or honoring your parents, or making envy of things owned by your neighbor, like his wife!, illegal. There may have been some laws about adultery at some point, but I would like to see someone explain what adultery even is to first graders. Oddly enough there aren’t even any commandments about homosexuals or transsexuals. I think that if so-called Christians were to make up a set of commandments today, the list would be far longer than ten.
It's based on:
Barton-esque misreading history
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Confusing 'the founding of a few select puritan colonial settlements' with 'the founding of the United States.'
And Barton always leaves out the part where puritans like Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams, whose views differed from the powers that be in the Massachussetts Bay colony, were evicted from the intolerant theocracy of Massachusetts Bay. Williams went on to found the colony of Rhode Island based on religious tolerance. But real history like that, of course, doesn't fit Barton's narrative.
Thanks for mentioning Roger Williams. I am originally from Rhode Island and know that his contributions tend to get overlooked in favor of Thomas Jefferson.
I read a book called "I, Roger Williams" by Mary Lee Settle a few years ago and couldn't believe a man whose history was so rich and whose contributions to religious freedom in America is also so overlooked.
“My ancestors were Puritans from England. They arrived here in 1648 in the hope of finding greater restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time.”
— Garrison Keillor
Don't give the any ideas.
And some of the advice is totally unnecessary. I've SEEN my nabor's wife. I don't covet her in the least!
I don't know, my neighbor's wife is kinda cute.,
Joke I heard on the internet:
Passenger: This isn’t the route to <destination>
Taxi Driver: There’s heavy traffic.
Passenger: Oh, okay. I’m worried about people being kidnapped.
Taxi Driver: Lady, I don’t even want my own wife.
Susan: Point well made. Talarico and Noble had this same fight two years ago. I hope Talarico goes on to higher office... like the Governor and maybe later President.
He’s quite young but looks to be some much needed new blood in the Democratic Party. I’m a boomer myself, but I think we’ve had our turn at bat and now we need some new players.
Don't expect the ignoratti to know that, it's just territorial pissing.
But the "chosen people" were only "chosen" in their self-serving bible: christians' old testament. By self-serving, for example, the Israelites in their book have their "god" command them to genocide against Canaanites, including children, to justify stealing the Canaanites lands. Who but present day Israelites and some christian fanatics believe that the warmongers in the OT are "chosen" by some imaginary "god"?
Who said they were the "chosen people"? Well, of course....THEY DID!
Here's a handy dandy list of houses of worship in Jefferson County, IL
townsquarepublications.com/jefferson-county-il-churches/
Is Dullard really trying to tell us that his masturbation fantasy couldn't find a single home on church property there? Even Jonah's whale couldn't swallow that.
Thing is, they don't WANT to put it at a church or anything else on privately held land. This is TERRITORY-MARKING, and that requires a public space or facility.
They think they can piss on the government and get away with it. I am seriously hoping they get proved VERY WRONG.
"...his masturbation fantasy..."
Wow, you're really taking a hands-on approach to criticism of the sheriff.
Someone has to call him out when he spews.
😂🤣😂
Now please pass the brain bleach.
That is w whale of a tale🤣
“Live and let live.” Such a simple concept. So easy to execute. It makes life better for everyone. Except these moldy fucking Christians and their “my way or the highway”approach to life. Why do they need to impose their values on others? Does that help reinforce their incredible fantasies about an invisible omnipotent entity?
That slab of granite would sure look good on top of those law breaking Christians.
The people who do stupid stuff like this haven't the means to consider "live and let live." Their own insecurity regarding their belief system all but mandates that they do everything in their power to get EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH THEM. Sadly, it never occurs to them that those of us who have no belief and are firm in that position have long since rejected their foolishness and have no reason to give it further consideration.
If their faith were all that strong, this whole 10Cs business would likely not even be necessary for them ... and yet they mush on. Stupid and foolish.
If the 10 Cs are that effective, why so many pastors/priests/ministers embezzle and/or cheat ?
I was going to ask that too.
Selfanswering: To them it is about controlling others why themselves does whatever they want to do.
The 10 C’s are broken with impunity by these raving MAGATS. When they look in a mirror, what do they actually see?
Mirrors are forbidden to them. Self-reflection is a sin.
They don't have reflections.
They are the army of Gawd, only doing what is necessary. That's all they know.
In his own eyes the sheriff is probably practicing live and let live. He just sees the courthouse and public government buildings as 'his.' So why are you trying to tell him how to decorate his own house?
That's the core problem, IMO. The christian privilege. Manifest destiny. Fundie christians see the US as theirs, and so they just want all you guests to let them live in their house the way they want.
Xtian privilege goes along with their white privilege. I understand such cards(WP)cards are being sold at 47’s maga events by the way.
Seriously? Actual cards that say "White Privilege," which they insist DOES NOT EXIST cuz they are so per-suh-kyew-tid?
That would explain their boorish behavior, ericc.
Yes, that is one of the best summaries I have seen so far. That is the way they are taught to regard "their" world and the heathens that also infest the shadows.
A little OT: I'm not sure how widespread this teaching is, since I have never heard it from any other place and time except from this one preacher we had at our church for a couple of years -- this is a paraphrase of what he would usually say, as I recall:
"We are constantly surrounded by evil spirits. The very air around us is FILLED with them! Demons. The devil's invisible angels. The principalities of the air. We can't see them. If we could actually see how many evil spirits there are surrounding us we would be too terrified to move...." blah blah blah.
Then he would insert some anecdote that "proved" the existence of these evil spirits, usually something stupid that when I think about it now, sounds made-up, then finish with how "the spirit of the Lord protects his people from the principalities of the air who cluster around the heads and hearts of the heathen."
Yeesh, this kind of crap used to scare the daylights out of me. In my defense, I couldn't have been more than eight or none at the time.
It has to do with The Great Commission that is constantly drilled into the head of every Evangelical: "Go ye into all the world, and preach my gospel to every people." It's like programming robots. Literally nothing else computes when it comes up against that kind of brainwashing.
I speak from experience. *sigh*
Time to get that Baphomet statue to Jefferson County. Watch Dullard howl in outrage.
The Satanic Temple needs to start mass production.
Bring Candace Cameron as well, so she can warble about portals and make an even bigger fool of herself.
Would that all costs associated with getting rid of this silly thing be borne by the sheriff personally.
If only. That would be a good way to tone down these stunts.
𝑆𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒 ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑎 𝑓𝑒𝑤 ℎ𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑑𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑙𝑒𝑓𝑡 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠, ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑙𝑢𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 ($4,868) 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑦’𝑠 “𝐶ℎ𝑖𝑟𝑝𝑒𝑟 𝐹𝑢𝑛𝑑”… 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑠.
So, Sheriff Bullard appears to believe that the only loved one prisoners should be able to communnicate with is 𝘩𝘪𝘴 god.
And he is ok with embezzling.
He's a good Christian.
It's all for the Lawd.
For that alone, the law should kick his ass up around his ears.
Alright! Yes! The wall of separation is down!!!!! So churches will be paying taxes now right?
right?
*crickets chirping.*
*** Looks at the list, then back at the graven image that I am craving. Looks back at the list***. Shit, looks like my job of craving graven images has come to an end. I guess I will have to go back to my old job of boiling kid goats in their mother's milk. *** Looks at the list again*** You got to be fucking kidding me.
You're craving engraving? Why so much raving? You COULD be deprave-ing! Instead of saving! 😁
He's also into paving. Every time the road crews see him, he's always waving.
Two in about 5 minutes ? You are spoiling us.
I think we should put up quotes from the bible that refute the commandments. For example, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or, Love your neighbor as yourself. Besides, the bible is full of commandments that are insane, unethical and evil, but not included in the ten. Why don't they post the commandments about beating your wife and children, selling your wife and daughters into slavery, plus the really stupid ones about what kind of cloth to wear.
And let's not forget that the penalty for working on the Sabbath is death. Even if you're just picking up sticks.
Stones for Styx on the Sabbath would have been an epic concert.
I would Kiss Who ever set that up.
That sounds rather Disturbed.
Be careful you don't wind up getting Anthrax from that KISS.
Yeah, they're kind of a motley crue.
My, my, aren't you full of Venom tonight ?
You are Twister, Sister.
That's what Bible Study is for: to AVOID verses like those at all costs! Bible study, above and beyond anything else, is about having the bible read to you, NOT actually reading the entire bible!
To have the Bible read to you and interpreted exactly how the teacher wants you to understand it.
Ba-da-bing.
Old Testament superseded by new rules blah blah blah. There is always a rationalisation.
Trouble for Christians is that their own messiah said he DIDN'T come to supersede the "Old Law" (Old Testament).
jeezy came to ENFORCE THE OLD LAW.
But isn't that the whole point, kkkristianity, jebus brought a new covenant.
"Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
-- Matthew 5:17-18
Has the earth disappeared, Christians? Has your Jesus returned to set up his kingdom...or returned, period? Guess what? You are still under the Old Law.
10 Cs are OT.
Won't faze them.
I’d guess there’s pretty much zero chance Bullard enforces the law fairly and equitably, given he doesn’t appear to think it applies to him.
That's a pretty standard attitude among the members of law enforcement.
I'm so grateful that not only do I live in a note secular country, it's one with state and federal anti-corruption commissions who would be all over this misuse of a public officer's time and public money.
Are you accepting new citizens?
To Deputy Dawg...
That list of yours (found in Exodus 20) isn't the 10 Commandments. They were never called that and they were smashed without ever going into effect.
If you want to wave your dick in people's faces with this tripe, at least get the right set found in Exodus 34 and actually called the Ten Commandments in Verse 28. Let's see how many Christians obey celebrating the Festival of Weeks or avoid boiling a kid goat in its mother's milk, among other howlers found in THAT set.
i"t’s hard to imagine any outcome that will allow this monument to stay in place."
Hello, the current sc with 9 religious members, 5 1/2 christian bigots on a good day (6 on a bad), that can't give a fuck about your constitution.
"why is there a huge gap between Commandments 4 and 5 and Commandments 8 and 9?"
Aesthetical purpose, the commandments are aligned horizontally by pairs.
𝑊𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡, 𝐽𝑒𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑦 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑝𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑢𝑝 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑛𝑒𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ...
-- FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor
To which I add: "NO FREAKING KIDDING!" And as Hemant notes, no, the principle of State / Church separation has NOT been voided by the Supreme Court (though some of their rulings haven't helped matters), and said principle mandates that local and state governments maintain NEUTRALITY as regards religion.
As for the lawsuit, per usual, more time and public monies wasted on something that never should have happened in the first place. Likely no lessons learned, either, as the offending parties' pocketbooks and wallets will not be impacted by fines or court costs.
More's the pity.
Nope, won't learn a damned thing, except how to dig their heels in deeper for the glory of Gawd, for whom they are enduring all these trials and tribulations.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c7fe2e829c64254323a75a368f3d3f2b423bbf1bfdb5018f0bb77c62d034336.png
Most excellent! Suck on THAT, Faux Noise!!!
They've conveniently decided it's no longer newsworthy.
Sometimes, nice guys finish first.
Cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ATx_1FyTs