Of all the many forms of government humans have dreamed up, few are worse than theocracy. If any woman wants to live within the tenets of this sect, voluntarily and of her own free will, that’s on her. She does not get to make that decision for anyone else. Few people disgust me more than those who believe their religion entitles them to a say in other people’s personal choices. I can’t imagine why they would think the country would passively submit to living in an extreme Christian theocracy.
Pretty much still that way. When I pointed out a few of the latest outrageous excesses committed by tRump's version of the stasi, my very religious brother in law responded, "He's just righting the ship."
Boil it down, C. S. Lewis was STILL a Christian apologist. He wasn't as strident as Turek or Craig, but an apologist nonetheless. And I have a very difficult time sliding slack to apologists.
Because in the final analysis, they are still lying to us.
Very true. It's been my observation that believers want to try to elicit and emotional response to gain the advantage in a discussion or debate. My reaction, almost without exception, is to deal in facts, hard data, and evidence.
When Aslan finally came out and pretty much said "I'm Jesus in another form and you only had all these exciting adventures so you'll be more religious when you go home" I was so pissed. I loved Narnia yet now I was being told it only existed to evangelise the kids who went there? What the hell? I still remember complaining about it to my mother about how stupid that was.
The bible would be much cooler if Jesus was a talking lion, though, I must admit. He'd have eaten the authorities instead of getting nailed up. And the apostles would have been the coolest dudes ever "yeah, we got picked to hang with the talking predator"
The "official state religion" applies to England only. The other home countries may have national religions, but they are not established.
The "Lords Spiritual" are bishops from the Church of England, so no other denomination, no other country and no other religion are there by right.
Personally, I would like to see the abolition of the House of Lords, but the disestablishment of the CofE and the removal of their bishops from the HoL would be a start.
I thought I read somewhere that a few baby steps are slowly being taken towards that. It's not like many people in England go to church any more.
I notice more people tend to be made life peers, not hereditary ones, which at least means you won't be stuck with someone's chinless inbred descendents for 300 years.
They should be gone at the end of this session. The Act is difficult to read, being mostly a list of amendments to current legislation. I did not notice any restriction on appointing hereditaries as life peers in addition but, I suppose, that would be discriminatory any way.
I read about that survey. Cherry picking at its finest.
Despite the noise on the news, it's true to a lesser extent in the US. There are so many churches that are now closed and sold off. I know of one bought by an atheist and turned into a center for the arts.
People say what they think is the "right" answer on surveys. Usually it's the religion of their parents.
Your list of steps to "Make America Christian Again" is anti-American. First of all, America was never a Christian nation, so making it Christian again would require making it Christian then making it secular then doing it again.
Let's go through your steps:
1. Increase gospel fluency. Thorough reading of the Bible will make more atheists, which would do the opposite of what you want.
2. Repeal the 19th amendment. Relegating women to less than full citizenship is to deny that women have brains that can think as well as or better than you. What's next, prohibiting women from reading?
3. Implement household voting. So, one vote for every 2 to 10 adults? More nonsense that goes against the principles of freedom this country was founded on.
4. Incentivize large families. This is not the mid 19th century. The average family is not doing subsistence farming anymore. Modern medicine guarantees that more than half of your children will make it to adulthood. Breeding massive far right Christian families will backfire on you spectacularly, as many of those children will resent the parentification and refuse to have more kids once they reach adulthood.
5. Criminalize abortion. AKA lots of dead women.
6. Outlaw gay marriage. So, power and control instead of freedom. Punishing people for loving someone on YOUR unapproved list.
7. Ban Muslims and Hindus. The First Amendment says no. Muslims and Hindus were bothe here before the American Revolution.
8. Teach the bible in public schools. Yes, but not the way you want it done. Comparative religion class? Yes. Bible as literature? Yes. The Sunday School lessons you want infused into every classroom? Hell no. Can you say Establishment Clause? I knew you could.
9. Ban women from masculine jobs. What does that even mean? In my entire 60 years, I have never encountered a "masculine" job. One more bit of misogyny intended to deny the fact that women are people.
10. Require Christianity for public office. You would have to repeal the First Amendment as well as Article VI.
You don't want America. You want Gilead. That is as anti-American as it gets.
1. Gospel fluency is not attained by reading the Bible, but by carefull listening how your pastor explains selected parts of the Holy Books.. To achieve this goal, attendance to Sunday church services will be made mandatory, with heavy fines for the absents and even corporal punishments for repeat offenders.
2. Women should stay at home and will no longer be allowed to attend school after their 12th birthday.
3. Not one single vote per household, but one vote per household member. It will be the pater familias in person who will cast all these votes .
4. See previous point, the bigger the household, the more votes. No need for modern medicine when you have lots of spare children. And when your wife dies in childbirth, you just remarry another one. It would be even better to be prepared and to make plural marriages legal again.
5. Abortion goes against the goals of point 3. Women who had a miscarriage are suspect and must spend their next pregnancy in jail to avoid any access to abortion methods.
6. If your current sex does not correspond with what is mentioned on your birth certificate, the certificate becomes void and you lose your citizenship.
7. Muslims, Hindus and other heretics will be sent to "Christian Reeducation Camps".
8. High school boys (see point 2) who fail the mandatory theology course will not be allowed to attend College.
9. Every real job is masculine, women's jobs are limited to "Kinder, Küche, Kirche".
10. Changing the Constitution will be easy, as soon as the Democratic Party is declared a terrorist organisation, and the few remaining RINO congress members are arrested for treason.
/S warning: This is not my personal opinion, but just a pessimistic view about the future for The Kingdom of Trumpistan.
"You don't want America. You want Gilead. That is as anti-American as it gets."
That's exactly what he wants. He wants Ameristan. He wants to make the Taliban look like a school for debauchery. But the people who follow people like him are the scary ones. They can justify anything in the name of their "religion".
With an average of one crime per inhabitant per year. Vatican City is a dangerous place to live. In its peak year it had a murder rate of 200 per 100 000 inhabitants, a rate 100 times higher than the European average.
Yet they voted for that Stupid Idiot believing they will make America into a nation in their own image and likeness through Stupid Idiot. Never mind that he literally hates them just as much as he hates anyone who refuses to let him have his way all the time. And that includes the Justice that run SCOTUS although they foolishly gave him "presidential immunity" which they could deduct from Stupid Idiot permanently if they want to redeem themselves before the American people.
“The results just speak for themselves,” Ms. Partridge, 36, said of female independence. “Everybody seems more stressed out, angry, frustrated with one another, depressed.”
This is an outright lie. Women are stressed because of patriarchal bullshit, not because they have rights. Men get away with rape, dodging responsibility for fathering children and generally being assholes.
Let's just have a think why my grandmothers might have been stressed out? One grandmother might have been stressed out because her husband decided to 'invest' the proceeds of some agricultural sales into a gramophone rather than the children's clothes and shoes she had planned for. That might have been the source of some stress.
Or the other one, because of her husband being an invalid and thus was unable to earn much, the burden of keeping the family fed and watered fell onto her. This was probably the source of some stress ...
The right wing crotch Christians supposedly have the trio of powerful deities on their side as a bulwark against the “evils” of the world, yet they are the same group that is afraid of: strong women, POC, atheists, people of other faiths, science, books, higher education (or any education), expertise, preventive medicine (such as using masks during a pandemic), etc. 🤔
It sounds like the fascist don’t truly believe the bullshit that they spew, or their faith is weak. They need a better systems of morals and ethics that recognizes the differences and uniqueness of all humanity!🤨
We know he is a submissive, watch him slouching out of that conference, alone with Putin, in Helsinki, all that is missing is the collar and Gimp suit. if he were a dog, he would be leaking a urine trail.
That pedodential library needs to be a squat ugly concrete building that screams prison cell. It needs to document every single one of the traitor's crimes. Call it the museum of treason.
I've taken lots of dancing lessons (round dancing in particular, which is choreographed ballroom dancing). They're not trivial, and dancing is not an innate skill, like picking your nose. Has anybody EVER seen videos of Disaster Pumpkin actually dancing? I find it difficult to believe that he'd ever have had the attention span to learn how, which makes it really weird that he's so obsessed with this ballroom.
He wants to show off on how powerful he is. This is like Louis XIV showing off his power and control of the country by building Versailles palace. It is all about stroking his ego and showing who is in command (nobody is fooled, everyone except the average MAGAS know Putin is actually in charge). It doesn’t matter if he can dance or not it is all about appearance of power and control over everyone else in the country!
I've now read both articles, including the attached NY Times one (haven't read the BTL comments yet). And my answer is probably shared by a lot of people - if this way of life is what you want, go ahead, I am not going to stop you. If you want a 'man=breadwinner, woman=housewife' kind of marriage, go ahead, I am not going to do anything to stop you.
I will however fight tooth and nail if you're trying to prescribe that kind of lifestyle on other people!
I like the fact that I've got the right to vote, I've voted in (almost) every election I was eligible to vote and I intend to vote in every future election, such as the one which is happening in about five weeks time. And I intend to encourage everyone else to go and vote. And with that kind of political chicanery going on, I'll be even more determined to encourage everyone to go and get registered and then go and vote!
I came across a post on FB and made a comment. Some bots and Fox News zombies/MAGAts tried to ratio my comment. The situation applies to this article. (Sorry if you can’t see FB)
This type of movement doesn’t just appear in this state, though. There have been rumblings of removing women from voting for decades, and out and out calling for it since, at least, 2016. If you have been paying attention, this article isn’t news. These men of the soiled cloth have been pushing this for a while, and the media has been drip feeding us this thinking with shows like 19 Kids And Counting and pundits like Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro. I mean, TLC is still running programs like the Duggars, following families that aren’t like the average families (if they were average families they wouldn’t be on television since they aren’t interesting), families that are part of the quiverfull movement or other cults where father knows best, mom is overbearing and focused on her fecundity, and the kids recite bible verses for the camera. There is one where the too many children are all musicians and the eldest daughter got a scholarship to Juliard, so the whole family moved to NYC to enable mom and dad to continue to control her. They can’t afford to live in the city so the younger, school aged and younger, have to busk on the streets to pay for rent, food and clothing. Anyway, there is a section of the media that has been trying to normalize and promote the complimentarian lifestyle, while pushing for large families and a lack of women’s and children’s rights. The tradwife influencers are part of this, going back to wassername, beef tallow woman, Laura Anderson Laurie , Lauren, whatever.
The good news is that the tradwife movement is practically dead in the water, as many of the influencers pushing it are imploding in real time, having breakdowns and filming their own abuse on their channels and young women are savvy enough to recognize what they’re watching. Then there has been a growth in ex-tradwives (from the before influencers time) having their own channels to show how that lifestyle ends more often than not.
Perhaps there are folks in the regime currently holding the country hostage, but their ideas are only interesting to a minority of the minority of evangelicals, and not to the vast majority of the American people. When this is over, we will have to end it I know, we will have to consider this aspect in our thoughtful rebuilding. Enshrine women and minorities, including LGBTQ people, rights as full people and citizens from the beginning and not try to wedge our rights into our ruling documents later as an afterthought.
And I forgive none of them! All the tradwives, Joe Rogans, lonely male epidemic peddlers, etc etc etc. We’ve been screaming from the mountaintops for more than a decade.
All of our lives, really, except we have it better and seem to make progress under the democratic presidents, only for the troglodytes to slither out of their holes, when we don't keep our short-attention span voters engaged enough to show up at the polls.
Quote: "Enshrine women and minorities, including LGBTQ people, rights as full people and citizens from the beginning"
That would mean a new constitution. One which starts off laying out all the rights which people have before going onto the various institutions and their functions. Maybe look at the Federal Republic's constitution of 1949 as a template and use the ECHR (European Convention of Human Rights) as a blueprint for the 'rights' section.
Basically, a bit like the French, when they realise that the old republic isn't working anymore, they'll just have a new one. I think the current one is No 5?
Well, we do need a new constitution, this one failed to protect us from what it set out to protect us from. It was intentionally written to be a living document, and knowing that everything living dies at some point, it can and should be replaced with a better living document. All the constitutional crises we’ve faced since 2017 that have yet to be addressed as the problems they are, are an indication that the constitution has died. Let’s do as the French do, and correct the problems we face.
👆🎯It was intended to be a living document...ever so much this ^ they were supposed to convene every generation, and tweak it, to keep up with the challenges of the modern world. Which is why the regressives dreamt up "originalism" to halt all progress.
Be careful what you wish for. Do you know how a new Constitutional Convention would be organized? Believe me, it would give you nightmares. Just as a hint of how awful it would be, it's similar to what would happen if a presidential election got thrown into the US House of Representatives to decide.
There is no way we can get out of this without mess, moving forward will be dirty, violent and dangerous. We are already facing violence from ICE and police. We are holding strong with our protests not giving them the riots they are trying to provoke, and this might be able to change things, but to actually move forward we have to get our hands dirty in the legislation department (not necessarily violence/war/revolution). I may not actually like how it gets done, but it needs to happen.
Again, WISHING for a favorable outcome is never gonna make it happen. But consciously handing the tools of either anarchy or dictatorship over to people who will cheerfully use them for exactly those purposes is the height of irresponsibility.
And that, my friend, is what scares the effluent out of me. They remind me of the cult that worshipped the nuclear bomb in one of the “Planet of the Apes” movies.
Behold the “Manosphere” where women are being blamed for everything wrong in our society. It’s what won the last election. Incels and the red-pilling of a whole generation of young men.
Which is hilarious because women neither created nor control these systems.
" Incels and the red-pilling of a whole generation of young men."
Not sure about the incels, but young men do have some grievances (though they are not valid). The age of the man of the household earning enough money to feed and house a family has long gone, but it hasn't been replaced by anything else.
My two grandfathers were both miners, my father an engineering machinist, these jobs either no longer exist, or have been automated. Jobs are minimum wage, or require a solid education (or both).
The grievance should be against the rentier class, who have wealth, use it to generate more and who have no concern for the rest of society.
That's okay. I've heard that the uber wealthy are thinking they will use their money to live in conclaves they build, while the rest of the society is collapsing. HOWEVER, I have hope that if that happens, lots of us poors will find them and use them wisely...eat the rich, anybody?
They will likely be killed off by their staff long before we reach them. The prospect of catering to a useless, malicious child for the rest of the rest of their lives will make the staff end them out of self defense.
Nothing says 'strong man' quite like demanding women not vote.
Realistically, there is no legal requirement that married conservative Christian women vote. I personally don't like it when people don't vote, but there are no legal repercussions for it and to my knowledge, no one is seriously suggesting that there should be. Some married couple in TinyTown, USA wants to have a 'household' vote? They're allowed to do that. They instead decide the male spouse will dictate how to vote to the other spouse? Also allowed. Literally nobody is stopping the practice, no matter how personally repugnant, backwards, and idiotic I might find it.
This is about cowards refusing to face their fears and demanding everyone else accommodate them. Women are not objects to be owned, nor pets to be contained, nor baby machines for the creation of offspring. Women are people, and I see no reason for women to soothe agitated male egos over internal fears. Time to grow up, little boy, and learn that being a man is more than posing with your privates out.
The trick is in treating women who have been so severely indoctrinated to believe that they are supposed to be subservient and submissive that they don't have to be. This is no small trick.
At least not yet, soon though! I wonder if this fuckwit would ban Jews from America, because the Jews don’t believe that jeezywhore is not the son of god and the messiah. Then again these jesusfuckers only care about the Jews so long as they do their part in the Christian mythology end times fantasy. If you scratch the surface of a Christian fascist, you will discover how antisemite these assholes are. If the Jews don’t convert according to the jesusfuckers, then the Jews will be killed along with the rest of us!
Like all the things MAGA Christians want to ban or require, go for it! I don't care what your faith tells you that you have to do. Go ahead and do it! Don't vote. I'm good with that. BUT, I don't follow your delusions and I don't have those same self-imposed requirements.
I would insert a reverse card here but the fact is is that I believe in the freedoms granted to us by the US Constitution and those freedoms mean that I don't want to force women to vote if they don't want to, I don't want to force people to go to church, and I don't want to force people to have babies. What I do want to see if for people do what makes them happy, instead of pissing people off because they have a need to be a jerk.
Watch "Shiny, Happy People" do they 'choose,' or are just human fodder and they unfortunate enough to be born into it, and brainwashed, and had it beaten into them as a baby? Then the women reinforce the torture on the next generation.
What did you miss, Dale Partridge? How about a semblance of a BRAIN! Maybe the recognition that women have VALUE beyond being mothers. But no, you're way too insecure to admit that to yourself. You just HAVE to be top dog, with any woman "less than the dust beneath your feet."
It's a weird place, with some truly bizarre locals. I lived there for a short time. The Alien diner was my favorite place, as it was the only place open after 10pm.
Of all the many forms of government humans have dreamed up, few are worse than theocracy. If any woman wants to live within the tenets of this sect, voluntarily and of her own free will, that’s on her. She does not get to make that decision for anyone else. Few people disgust me more than those who believe their religion entitles them to a say in other people’s personal choices. I can’t imagine why they would think the country would passively submit to living in an extreme Christian theocracy.
"Of all the many forms of government humans have dreamed up, few are worse than theocracy"
I have posted a C.S. Lewis quotation before, here is another one:
"𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘢 𝘥𝘦𝘮𝘰𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘐 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘨𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘱 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴. 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘥𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴. 𝘏𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘨𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴. . . . 𝘈 𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘱𝘩𝘺𝘴𝘪𝘤, 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘤𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘣𝘢𝘥 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯. 𝘐𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘣𝘪𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮, 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘰𝘳, 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘥𝘮𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘵𝘩 𝘰𝘳 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘰𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴, 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘣𝘳𝘰𝘨𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘵 𝘨𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘪𝘨𝘩, 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘦𝘳-𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘱𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘣𝘺 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩, 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥. 𝘐𝘯 𝘢 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥, 𝘪𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘣𝘪𝘥𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘶𝘣𝘵."
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion.
Pretty much still that way. When I pointed out a few of the latest outrageous excesses committed by tRump's version of the stasi, my very religious brother in law responded, "He's just righting the ship."
More like WRONGING the ship.
Oh brother. lol
I believe the the proper naval expression is "scuttling" the ship, not righting!
Yeah, good luck with him, sounds like you need it.
Boil it down, C. S. Lewis was STILL a Christian apologist. He wasn't as strident as Turek or Craig, but an apologist nonetheless. And I have a very difficult time sliding slack to apologists.
Because in the final analysis, they are still lying to us.
More than anything, they're lying to themselves by trying to replace reason with magical thinking.
Very true. It's been my observation that believers want to try to elicit and emotional response to gain the advantage in a discussion or debate. My reaction, almost without exception, is to deal in facts, hard data, and evidence.
Mostly, they don't like that very much.
Thank you, I thought I remembered he was religious.
If you've ever read the Narnia stories, you would know just HOW religious!
When Aslan finally came out and pretty much said "I'm Jesus in another form and you only had all these exciting adventures so you'll be more religious when you go home" I was so pissed. I loved Narnia yet now I was being told it only existed to evangelise the kids who went there? What the hell? I still remember complaining about it to my mother about how stupid that was.
Have to admit it: I wrote a takeoff on the Chronicles, set a bit before the birth of Tirian. Was told by at least two friends that it was pretty good
Don't get me started on Susan!
The bible would be much cooler if Jesus was a talking lion, though, I must admit. He'd have eaten the authorities instead of getting nailed up. And the apostles would have been the coolest dudes ever "yeah, we got picked to hang with the talking predator"
I did as an eight year old, and I just took it as fantasy, Aslan as god never occurred to me.
In Lewis's commentary on the Chronicles of Narnia, it's pretty clear who he thought Aslan represented. Indeed, his comments weren't exactly subtle!
But, but, but…..C.S. was Christian!?!
Blind pigs. Acorns. Random chance.
And CS Lewis was a devout Christian who lived in a country where the official state religion's (also his) higher ups actually voted on laws!
The "official state religion" applies to England only. The other home countries may have national religions, but they are not established.
The "Lords Spiritual" are bishops from the Church of England, so no other denomination, no other country and no other religion are there by right.
Personally, I would like to see the abolition of the House of Lords, but the disestablishment of the CofE and the removal of their bishops from the HoL would be a start.
I thought I read somewhere that a few baby steps are slowly being taken towards that. It's not like many people in England go to church any more.
I notice more people tend to be made life peers, not hereditary ones, which at least means you won't be stuck with someone's chinless inbred descendents for 300 years.
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Act 2026
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2026/12/enacted
They should be gone at the end of this session. The Act is difficult to read, being mostly a list of amendments to current legislation. I did not notice any restriction on appointing hereditaries as life peers in addition but, I suppose, that would be discriminatory any way.
The Bench of Bishops remains.
One thing at a time, I suppose. They can go around still having their titles. Perhaps the bishops can disappear under William?
" It's not like many people in England go to church any more."
It's a distinction one always has to make, the ones who self-identify, and the ones who are active. The latter is far smaller than the former.
There is a summary analysis on religion from the British Social Attitudes Survey that gives the figures, and refutes the "Quiet Revival" claim of the bible society - https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/there-religious-revival-britain
I read about that survey. Cherry picking at its finest.
Despite the noise on the news, it's true to a lesser extent in the US. There are so many churches that are now closed and sold off. I know of one bought by an atheist and turned into a center for the arts.
People say what they think is the "right" answer on surveys. Usually it's the religion of their parents.
Trumpism, supported by millions of women, and it's cult leader, D. Trump, is no different from a theocracy.
Mr Partridge:
Your list of steps to "Make America Christian Again" is anti-American. First of all, America was never a Christian nation, so making it Christian again would require making it Christian then making it secular then doing it again.
Let's go through your steps:
1. Increase gospel fluency. Thorough reading of the Bible will make more atheists, which would do the opposite of what you want.
2. Repeal the 19th amendment. Relegating women to less than full citizenship is to deny that women have brains that can think as well as or better than you. What's next, prohibiting women from reading?
3. Implement household voting. So, one vote for every 2 to 10 adults? More nonsense that goes against the principles of freedom this country was founded on.
4. Incentivize large families. This is not the mid 19th century. The average family is not doing subsistence farming anymore. Modern medicine guarantees that more than half of your children will make it to adulthood. Breeding massive far right Christian families will backfire on you spectacularly, as many of those children will resent the parentification and refuse to have more kids once they reach adulthood.
5. Criminalize abortion. AKA lots of dead women.
6. Outlaw gay marriage. So, power and control instead of freedom. Punishing people for loving someone on YOUR unapproved list.
7. Ban Muslims and Hindus. The First Amendment says no. Muslims and Hindus were bothe here before the American Revolution.
8. Teach the bible in public schools. Yes, but not the way you want it done. Comparative religion class? Yes. Bible as literature? Yes. The Sunday School lessons you want infused into every classroom? Hell no. Can you say Establishment Clause? I knew you could.
9. Ban women from masculine jobs. What does that even mean? In my entire 60 years, I have never encountered a "masculine" job. One more bit of misogyny intended to deny the fact that women are people.
10. Require Christianity for public office. You would have to repeal the First Amendment as well as Article VI.
You don't want America. You want Gilead. That is as anti-American as it gets.
No, he doesn’t want America, he wants … lets see Saudi Arabia? But they might be going a bit woke these days, so Afghanistan?
He sees 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘥'𝘴 𝘛𝘢𝘭𝘦 as an instruction manual instead of the dystopian warning it was meant to be.
These right wing jesusfuckers want a Christian version of the Iranian theocracy!
Somalia should work the best. Every man would need a gun there so they could feel even more powerful (over those weaker and vulnerable).
"Relegating women to less than full citizenship is to deny that women"
I think you are overly generous here, the aim isn't to relegate their citizenship, but to eliminate their personal identity,
True, they only see women as things men own instead of people.
Just like children, both are considered property to the male jesusfuckers!
Or where people come from, a/k/a brood sows.
Dale Partridge forgot a few points:
1. Gospel fluency is not attained by reading the Bible, but by carefull listening how your pastor explains selected parts of the Holy Books.. To achieve this goal, attendance to Sunday church services will be made mandatory, with heavy fines for the absents and even corporal punishments for repeat offenders.
2. Women should stay at home and will no longer be allowed to attend school after their 12th birthday.
3. Not one single vote per household, but one vote per household member. It will be the pater familias in person who will cast all these votes .
4. See previous point, the bigger the household, the more votes. No need for modern medicine when you have lots of spare children. And when your wife dies in childbirth, you just remarry another one. It would be even better to be prepared and to make plural marriages legal again.
5. Abortion goes against the goals of point 3. Women who had a miscarriage are suspect and must spend their next pregnancy in jail to avoid any access to abortion methods.
6. If your current sex does not correspond with what is mentioned on your birth certificate, the certificate becomes void and you lose your citizenship.
7. Muslims, Hindus and other heretics will be sent to "Christian Reeducation Camps".
8. High school boys (see point 2) who fail the mandatory theology course will not be allowed to attend College.
9. Every real job is masculine, women's jobs are limited to "Kinder, Küche, Kirche".
10. Changing the Constitution will be easy, as soon as the Democratic Party is declared a terrorist organisation, and the few remaining RINO congress members are arrested for treason.
/S warning: This is not my personal opinion, but just a pessimistic view about the future for The Kingdom of Trumpistan.
Bravo! And bang on target!
Well said.
"You don't want America. You want Gilead. That is as anti-American as it gets."
That's exactly what he wants. He wants Ameristan. He wants to make the Taliban look like a school for debauchery. But the people who follow people like him are the scary ones. They can justify anything in the name of their "religion".
One can go a step further and say America is not a country. Recommend a YouTube video
"Americans Shouldn't Be Called American." Thanks
God Bless America?
Why do Christian men hate America?
Because they're not being allowed to rule it as they see fit.
They want to live in a Christian theocracy? Let them emigrate to Vatican City.
Oh wait, it’s full of CATHOLICS!
Have you noticed the Catholics and Protestants are fighting again?
A bit like Sunni and Shia in Islam.
The Religion of Peace doesn’t seem all that peaceful. Not even with each other.
Just like the Religion of Love.
Very much like that!
I love it
Thus was it ever.
They never really stopped.
Broken fan bases tend to have the nastiest flame wars.
With an average of one crime per inhabitant per year. Vatican City is a dangerous place to live. In its peak year it had a murder rate of 200 per 100 000 inhabitants, a rate 100 times higher than the European average.
Seems God is too busy watching sparrows.
Or getting off sexually by watching humans suffer!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They hate America as it is now, with women and POC walking around like free people.
Yet they voted for that Stupid Idiot believing they will make America into a nation in their own image and likeness through Stupid Idiot. Never mind that he literally hates them just as much as he hates anyone who refuses to let him have his way all the time. And that includes the Justice that run SCOTUS although they foolishly gave him "presidential immunity" which they could deduct from Stupid Idiot permanently if they want to redeem themselves before the American people.
“The results just speak for themselves,” Ms. Partridge, 36, said of female independence. “Everybody seems more stressed out, angry, frustrated with one another, depressed.”
This is an outright lie. Women are stressed because of patriarchal bullshit, not because they have rights. Men get away with rape, dodging responsibility for fathering children and generally being assholes.
Let's just have a think why my grandmothers might have been stressed out? One grandmother might have been stressed out because her husband decided to 'invest' the proceeds of some agricultural sales into a gramophone rather than the children's clothes and shoes she had planned for. That might have been the source of some stress.
Or the other one, because of her husband being an invalid and thus was unable to earn much, the burden of keeping the family fed and watered fell onto her. This was probably the source of some stress ...
Mr Partridge should just shut t** f*** up!
Nothing emasculates men quite like religion.
It's amazing how these 'brave godly men" are such terrified crybabies about strong women.
The right wing crotch Christians supposedly have the trio of powerful deities on their side as a bulwark against the “evils” of the world, yet they are the same group that is afraid of: strong women, POC, atheists, people of other faiths, science, books, higher education (or any education), expertise, preventive medicine (such as using masks during a pandemic), etc. 🤔
It sounds like the fascist don’t truly believe the bullshit that they spew, or their faith is weak. They need a better systems of morals and ethics that recognizes the differences and uniqueness of all humanity!🤨
If the creator of the universe has got your back, why are you always whining like toddlers?
My point exactly! They need better ethics and morals than what they got now!
Or obsessing over a ballroom. Talk about being a "beta male."
We know he is a submissive, watch him slouching out of that conference, alone with Putin, in Helsinki, all that is missing is the collar and Gimp suit. if he were a dog, he would be leaking a urine trail.
Farron did a segment on that misbegotten ballroom today.
I hope the next Democratic POTUS takes a wrecking ball to that shit.
Not to mention the Donald Trump library. All that building for how many books?
2 comic books, and a bunch of masturbatory, homoerotic fan fic.
So maybe three books: ART OF THE DEAL, MY STRUGGLE by Hitler, and a David Barton “history” book!
That pedodential library needs to be a squat ugly concrete building that screams prison cell. It needs to document every single one of the traitor's crimes. Call it the museum of treason.
I've taken lots of dancing lessons (round dancing in particular, which is choreographed ballroom dancing). They're not trivial, and dancing is not an innate skill, like picking your nose. Has anybody EVER seen videos of Disaster Pumpkin actually dancing? I find it difficult to believe that he'd ever have had the attention span to learn how, which makes it really weird that he's so obsessed with this ballroom.
Well, he does do this ridiculous little jig on stage sometimes while smirking, which makes him look appropriately childish and stupid.
You mean the jerking off two guys at once move, set to the hit song about young men enjoying each other's company?
Y'all, I've seen the San Francisco Pride Parade several times, and every time I see that move, I think it's the gayest thing ever.
I'm just wondering when he's going to introduce us to his boyfriend, Bubba.
Someone out there has the full Epstein files. They need to release them. Why do we have hackers otherwise?
He wants to show off on how powerful he is. This is like Louis XIV showing off his power and control of the country by building Versailles palace. It is all about stroking his ego and showing who is in command (nobody is fooled, everyone except the average MAGAS know Putin is actually in charge). It doesn’t matter if he can dance or not it is all about appearance of power and control over everyone else in the country!
I've now read both articles, including the attached NY Times one (haven't read the BTL comments yet). And my answer is probably shared by a lot of people - if this way of life is what you want, go ahead, I am not going to stop you. If you want a 'man=breadwinner, woman=housewife' kind of marriage, go ahead, I am not going to do anything to stop you.
I will however fight tooth and nail if you're trying to prescribe that kind of lifestyle on other people!
I like the fact that I've got the right to vote, I've voted in (almost) every election I was eligible to vote and I intend to vote in every future election, such as the one which is happening in about five weeks time. And I intend to encourage everyone else to go and vote. And with that kind of political chicanery going on, I'll be even more determined to encourage everyone to go and get registered and then go and vote!
I came across a post on FB and made a comment. Some bots and Fox News zombies/MAGAts tried to ratio my comment. The situation applies to this article. (Sorry if you can’t see FB)
https://www.facebook.com/100064895042052/posts/pfbid02DJ7zx3ydk9WT7oNpUAtD3iY3QKZXxapF698eRpUkCXEPS8cznfWiAJLA1J63bGa9l/
This type of movement doesn’t just appear in this state, though. There have been rumblings of removing women from voting for decades, and out and out calling for it since, at least, 2016. If you have been paying attention, this article isn’t news. These men of the soiled cloth have been pushing this for a while, and the media has been drip feeding us this thinking with shows like 19 Kids And Counting and pundits like Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro. I mean, TLC is still running programs like the Duggars, following families that aren’t like the average families (if they were average families they wouldn’t be on television since they aren’t interesting), families that are part of the quiverfull movement or other cults where father knows best, mom is overbearing and focused on her fecundity, and the kids recite bible verses for the camera. There is one where the too many children are all musicians and the eldest daughter got a scholarship to Juliard, so the whole family moved to NYC to enable mom and dad to continue to control her. They can’t afford to live in the city so the younger, school aged and younger, have to busk on the streets to pay for rent, food and clothing. Anyway, there is a section of the media that has been trying to normalize and promote the complimentarian lifestyle, while pushing for large families and a lack of women’s and children’s rights. The tradwife influencers are part of this, going back to wassername, beef tallow woman, Laura Anderson Laurie , Lauren, whatever.
The good news is that the tradwife movement is practically dead in the water, as many of the influencers pushing it are imploding in real time, having breakdowns and filming their own abuse on their channels and young women are savvy enough to recognize what they’re watching. Then there has been a growth in ex-tradwives (from the before influencers time) having their own channels to show how that lifestyle ends more often than not.
Perhaps there are folks in the regime currently holding the country hostage, but their ideas are only interesting to a minority of the minority of evangelicals, and not to the vast majority of the American people. When this is over, we will have to end it I know, we will have to consider this aspect in our thoughtful rebuilding. Enshrine women and minorities, including LGBTQ people, rights as full people and citizens from the beginning and not try to wedge our rights into our ruling documents later as an afterthought.
And I forgive none of them! All the tradwives, Joe Rogans, lonely male epidemic peddlers, etc etc etc. We’ve been screaming from the mountaintops for more than a decade.
All of our lives, really, except we have it better and seem to make progress under the democratic presidents, only for the troglodytes to slither out of their holes, when we don't keep our short-attention span voters engaged enough to show up at the polls.
Quote: "Enshrine women and minorities, including LGBTQ people, rights as full people and citizens from the beginning"
That would mean a new constitution. One which starts off laying out all the rights which people have before going onto the various institutions and their functions. Maybe look at the Federal Republic's constitution of 1949 as a template and use the ECHR (European Convention of Human Rights) as a blueprint for the 'rights' section.
Basically, a bit like the French, when they realise that the old republic isn't working anymore, they'll just have a new one. I think the current one is No 5?
Well, we do need a new constitution, this one failed to protect us from what it set out to protect us from. It was intentionally written to be a living document, and knowing that everything living dies at some point, it can and should be replaced with a better living document. All the constitutional crises we’ve faced since 2017 that have yet to be addressed as the problems they are, are an indication that the constitution has died. Let’s do as the French do, and correct the problems we face.
👆🎯It was intended to be a living document...ever so much this ^ they were supposed to convene every generation, and tweak it, to keep up with the challenges of the modern world. Which is why the regressives dreamt up "originalism" to halt all progress.
Be careful what you wish for. Do you know how a new Constitutional Convention would be organized? Believe me, it would give you nightmares. Just as a hint of how awful it would be, it's similar to what would happen if a presidential election got thrown into the US House of Representatives to decide.
There is no way we can get out of this without mess, moving forward will be dirty, violent and dangerous. We are already facing violence from ICE and police. We are holding strong with our protests not giving them the riots they are trying to provoke, and this might be able to change things, but to actually move forward we have to get our hands dirty in the legislation department (not necessarily violence/war/revolution). I may not actually like how it gets done, but it needs to happen.
Again, WISHING for a favorable outcome is never gonna make it happen. But consciously handing the tools of either anarchy or dictatorship over to people who will cheerfully use them for exactly those purposes is the height of irresponsibility.
I agree-SCOTUS 1) hands off 2)tear it up 3)more gifts 4) life time appointments.
They defend 💰 hate citizens rights.How many women are in congress 2%-3% , judges 5%.Why at 50%- are they not represented✅️👀🌐🗽
Disgusting. I can't help but wonder what they'd do to "gender traitors" like me (trans people). Oh. Wait, we already know.
Yup! We are well on our way to being completely genocided. In the 'most free country' in the world. Make it make sense!
As if Trans people don't predate their religion. They are so ignorant of history.
The Christian fascist are not only ignorant of history, but of reality in general!
And that, my friend, is what scares the effluent out of me. They remind me of the cult that worshipped the nuclear bomb in one of the “Planet of the Apes” movies.
Behold the “Manosphere” where women are being blamed for everything wrong in our society. It’s what won the last election. Incels and the red-pilling of a whole generation of young men.
Which is hilarious because women neither created nor control these systems.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSDQDOx7zL/?igsh=ZTJjMmZ2aW9pMHM4
" Incels and the red-pilling of a whole generation of young men."
Not sure about the incels, but young men do have some grievances (though they are not valid). The age of the man of the household earning enough money to feed and house a family has long gone, but it hasn't been replaced by anything else.
My two grandfathers were both miners, my father an engineering machinist, these jobs either no longer exist, or have been automated. Jobs are minimum wage, or require a solid education (or both).
The grievance should be against the rentier class, who have wealth, use it to generate more and who have no concern for the rest of society.
That's okay. I've heard that the uber wealthy are thinking they will use their money to live in conclaves they build, while the rest of the society is collapsing. HOWEVER, I have hope that if that happens, lots of us poors will find them and use them wisely...eat the rich, anybody?
They will likely be killed off by their staff long before we reach them. The prospect of catering to a useless, malicious child for the rest of the rest of their lives will make the staff end them out of self defense.
💯 The grievance for the systems that created the ultra wealthy are valid, just not where they are placing the blame.
More like "Scared Little Boy-o-sphere!"
"A prominent anti-abortion activist who spoke at the 2020 Republican National Convention, Abby Johnson, has also endorsed household voting."
Abby Johnson, Come On Down!!!
https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2017/02/1794-abby-johnson.html
She seems nice.
Nothing says 'strong man' quite like demanding women not vote.
Realistically, there is no legal requirement that married conservative Christian women vote. I personally don't like it when people don't vote, but there are no legal repercussions for it and to my knowledge, no one is seriously suggesting that there should be. Some married couple in TinyTown, USA wants to have a 'household' vote? They're allowed to do that. They instead decide the male spouse will dictate how to vote to the other spouse? Also allowed. Literally nobody is stopping the practice, no matter how personally repugnant, backwards, and idiotic I might find it.
This is about cowards refusing to face their fears and demanding everyone else accommodate them. Women are not objects to be owned, nor pets to be contained, nor baby machines for the creation of offspring. Women are people, and I see no reason for women to soothe agitated male egos over internal fears. Time to grow up, little boy, and learn that being a man is more than posing with your privates out.
The trick is in treating women who have been so severely indoctrinated to believe that they are supposed to be subservient and submissive that they don't have to be. This is no small trick.
Dude forgot slavery. It was practiced in that "again" time he mentioned. But I guess that's the part you're not supposed to say out loud.
At least not yet, soon though! I wonder if this fuckwit would ban Jews from America, because the Jews don’t believe that jeezywhore is not the son of god and the messiah. Then again these jesusfuckers only care about the Jews so long as they do their part in the Christian mythology end times fantasy. If you scratch the surface of a Christian fascist, you will discover how antisemite these assholes are. If the Jews don’t convert according to the jesusfuckers, then the Jews will be killed along with the rest of us!
"But I guess that's the part you're not supposed to say out loud".............yet.
Like all the things MAGA Christians want to ban or require, go for it! I don't care what your faith tells you that you have to do. Go ahead and do it! Don't vote. I'm good with that. BUT, I don't follow your delusions and I don't have those same self-imposed requirements.
I would insert a reverse card here but the fact is is that I believe in the freedoms granted to us by the US Constitution and those freedoms mean that I don't want to force women to vote if they don't want to, I don't want to force people to go to church, and I don't want to force people to have babies. What I do want to see if for people do what makes them happy, instead of pissing people off because they have a need to be a jerk.
I will say it hare: I AM UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO RESPECT ANY PART OF YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS/DOGMA!
I AM UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW ANY OF YOUR RELIGIOUS RULES!
We all need to stand up as a voting block, and state this unequivocably.
𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑚 𝐼 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔?
Empathy? A conscience? A limit on your narcissism?
The men of these groups disgust me. The women who marry them deserve what they choose. But I feel really bad for the kids.
Watch "Shiny, Happy People" do they 'choose,' or are just human fodder and they unfortunate enough to be born into it, and brainwashed, and had it beaten into them as a baby? Then the women reinforce the torture on the next generation.
What did you miss, Dale Partridge? How about a semblance of a BRAIN! Maybe the recognition that women have VALUE beyond being mothers. But no, you're way too insecure to admit that to yourself. You just HAVE to be top dog, with any woman "less than the dust beneath your feet."
You are laughable, Dale, laughable and pathetic.
Definitely a Smallcox sufferer.
And to replace his micropenis, I bet he is pro-gun and owns several penis replacement shooters! 😇
That’s a given, he is an ammosexual.
Gee, what was your first clue? 😉🤣
No one is forcing these women to vote just like no one is forcing them to have abortions.
OT: Checking out the red rocks of Sedona this morning and off to the Grand Canyon later today.
Red rocks of Sedona is a very romantic picture in my mind.
It's a weird place, with some truly bizarre locals. I lived there for a short time. The Alien diner was my favorite place, as it was the only place open after 10pm.