I had the same instinct and Googled the church. The pastoral Southern accent and delivery and, quite frankly, his age, tripped my sensors that the full sermon and/or others probably wouldn't live up to the clip as it was presented, but I didn't follow up and watch the whole sermon. Glad you did, Hemant.
Thank you SO VERY much for raising the issue of SPONTANEOUS abortion, which is the medical term. It is beyond humane, criminal really, to put women in the medically precarious, and ridiculous situation of waiting until there’s no heartbeat detected to provide lifesaving medical care until women are literally at death’s door. And for some women, rendering them infertile. The vast majority suffering an impending spontaneous abortion are devastated because the pregnancy was desperately wanted. Governor Greg Abbott I’m looking at you, you absolutely horrible and criminal excuse for a human being. 🇨🇦 The other issue is that these so-called “pro life” creatures, cosplaying human beings are really just pro birth - that is their only mission is to make sure every pregnancy is carried to term. Then you’re on your own. That is anything BUT pro life! Oh, and, many of these people have the resources or obtain abortions when it suits them. The hypocrisy is monumental! 😖😵💫😣🇨🇦
“There has never been a Christian nation and never will be! You don’t live in one now!”
I’ll give him this.
“A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God!”
He don’t know Christianity, do he? I mean, Christian leaders have always gone into colonizing. Missionaries are all about killing natives and keeping slaves along with the saving their souls. What does he think the proscriptions against LGBTQ and abortion is? Policies that are known for causing more death than they stop, make life more difficult for everyone and destroy economies that support the people over oligarchs. Texas’ abortion ban caused the maternal mortality rate to jump 50+% in a year. LGBTQpeople without support have a seriously high suicide rate, because his religion has decided to bully them. This is what Christianity is.
Pastor Livingston could stand to read his Bible a little bit more closely, especially Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25. Not only is his god approving of slavery, he tells you how and in what way to enslave your fellow human beings.
OwossoHarpist linked to this in the last thread. I gave Livingston 1/2 credit for “There has never been a Christian nation, and never will be. You don’t live in one now. A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God.”
Here the reason. The first sentence is ok if he is talking about just the USA. Lots of Nations have had a state religion based on some flavor of christianity.
Here's where the big deductions come. A lot of the killing and displacement took place during colonial times when they were governed by a divinely (supposedly) chosen king. Also, the god of the bible ordered mass murder and was aok with slavery.
Same-sex is perverted, huh? Livingston ignores the fact that it is xtian clergy that keep making headlines for their perverse actions involving children.
This guy reminds me more than a little of Timothy Cardinal Dolan. I think Dolan tried to fool the crowd by glad-handing the public and coming across as a jovial representative of the Church, while maintaining largely conservative and doctrinal Catholic standards. Pastor Livingston is doing much the same here, making noises that sound great if you don't listen to the entire context. The problem, of course, is that Hemant listened to the whole thing, and heard it for what it is.
“There has never been a Christian nation and never will be! You don’t live in one now! A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God!”
Dammit, and he sounded like he was off to such a good start. And what the fuck is this bullshit about "abortions affecting minorities"?? Abortions are something you do VOLUNTARILY, not something that's forced on oppressed minorities. Abortion is racism?! What?! Is he trying to equate a voluntary medical procedure with eugenics?? Make it make sense! Ugh, if only I wasn't reading this before my morning cup of coffee because there is no morning coffee or any other caffeinated beverage for me because caffeine makes me puke.
There was a time in one country when abortions were not voluntary. When morons use the term “pro-abortion”, I assume they are referring to a situation where a government compels a woman to have an abortion against her will. The conversations that follow are amusing.
This is really similar to the problem I had (still have) when I pointed out that Bergoglio (throne name, Pope Francis) was not the "good guy" that popular perception made him out to be. Every time, I'd ask if people knew about his history, and cared what his actual actions were. Most of the time, no, they didn't. Although lots of Argentines know about Bergoglio, USians mostly don't. They're conned by the media blitz. Which is why you need to take dumbassery like this preacher with a metric ton of salt. Thank you, Hemant, for doing exactly that.
Further Thought: Pastor Livingston, you're absolutely right in that we do not live in a Christian nation. Where you lose the thread is in suggesting that we should live in one. You have no guarantee that your particular brand of Christianity is going to be on top if we were to become such a nation. You might want to think about that.
I've been an abortion rights activist for 40 some years. Yes, abortion is more prevalent among minorities. That's because minorities are more likely to be unable to financially or practically support an unexpected child. It has nothing to do with racist doctors and activists wanting black and brown people to kill their babies; it has to do with a racist system that keeps black and brown people down.
Bernalillo County just approved a permit to build a mosque in an area called the North Valley. The bigots exploded out of the septic tank. Then when a few Catholic priests announced that they approved the county's decision thins got really obscene.
One of those wolves in sheep's clothing, cynically promoted by haters in an effort to convince those who are a bit left leaning that the haters on the right aren't "so bad" They are. This is diabolical.
I saw that clip, googled Central Church & figured that was clickbait. It’s likely what you said. Livingston doesn’t think the US is a Christian nation because it’s not as exclusive as he’d like it to be.
🎼We don’t need another (fake) hero🎼
I had the same instinct and Googled the church. The pastoral Southern accent and delivery and, quite frankly, his age, tripped my sensors that the full sermon and/or others probably wouldn't live up to the clip as it was presented, but I didn't follow up and watch the whole sermon. Glad you did, Hemant.
Good call my friend! ☺️ 🇨🇦
Does he realized that the 80 million unborn babies that were "murdered" mostly were miscarried and likely all white (if I'm not mistaken)?
Thank you SO VERY much for raising the issue of SPONTANEOUS abortion, which is the medical term. It is beyond humane, criminal really, to put women in the medically precarious, and ridiculous situation of waiting until there’s no heartbeat detected to provide lifesaving medical care until women are literally at death’s door. And for some women, rendering them infertile. The vast majority suffering an impending spontaneous abortion are devastated because the pregnancy was desperately wanted. Governor Greg Abbott I’m looking at you, you absolutely horrible and criminal excuse for a human being. 🇨🇦 The other issue is that these so-called “pro life” creatures, cosplaying human beings are really just pro birth - that is their only mission is to make sure every pregnancy is carried to term. Then you’re on your own. That is anything BUT pro life! Oh, and, many of these people have the resources or obtain abortions when it suits them. The hypocrisy is monumental! 😖😵💫😣🇨🇦
“There has never been a Christian nation and never will be! You don’t live in one now!”
I’ll give him this.
“A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God!”
He don’t know Christianity, do he? I mean, Christian leaders have always gone into colonizing. Missionaries are all about killing natives and keeping slaves along with the saving their souls. What does he think the proscriptions against LGBTQ and abortion is? Policies that are known for causing more death than they stop, make life more difficult for everyone and destroy economies that support the people over oligarchs. Texas’ abortion ban caused the maternal mortality rate to jump 50+% in a year. LGBTQpeople without support have a seriously high suicide rate, because his religion has decided to bully them. This is what Christianity is.
Pastor Livingston could stand to read his Bible a little bit more closely, especially Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25. Not only is his god approving of slavery, he tells you how and in what way to enslave your fellow human beings.
Cafeteria Christianity strikes again.
100%
OwossoHarpist linked to this in the last thread. I gave Livingston 1/2 credit for “There has never been a Christian nation, and never will be. You don’t live in one now. A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God.”
Here the reason. The first sentence is ok if he is talking about just the USA. Lots of Nations have had a state religion based on some flavor of christianity.
Here's where the big deductions come. A lot of the killing and displacement took place during colonial times when they were governed by a divinely (supposedly) chosen king. Also, the god of the bible ordered mass murder and was aok with slavery.
Now I'll read Hermant's article.
More xtian nationalists. If you still belong to any sect of the cult, you are supporting this.
Same-sex is perverted, huh? Livingston ignores the fact that it is xtian clergy that keep making headlines for their perverse actions involving children.
That is why they teach "forgive AND forget", but especially the line "turn ye other cheek." which simply means look away.
Look away and forget about it or I'll send you to hell.
This guy reminds me more than a little of Timothy Cardinal Dolan. I think Dolan tried to fool the crowd by glad-handing the public and coming across as a jovial representative of the Church, while maintaining largely conservative and doctrinal Catholic standards. Pastor Livingston is doing much the same here, making noises that sound great if you don't listen to the entire context. The problem, of course, is that Hemant listened to the whole thing, and heard it for what it is.
Hemant wasn't fooled, neither are we.
“There has never been a Christian nation and never will be! You don’t live in one now! A Christian nation wouldn’t have killed and displaced 20 million Native Americans, or thought owning slaves was pleasing to God!”
Dammit, and he sounded like he was off to such a good start. And what the fuck is this bullshit about "abortions affecting minorities"?? Abortions are something you do VOLUNTARILY, not something that's forced on oppressed minorities. Abortion is racism?! What?! Is he trying to equate a voluntary medical procedure with eugenics?? Make it make sense! Ugh, if only I wasn't reading this before my morning cup of coffee because there is no morning coffee or any other caffeinated beverage for me because caffeine makes me puke.
Maybe we ought to sic Matt Dillahunty or Aron Ra on him and see how well he defends his positions!
There was a time in one country when abortions were not voluntary. When morons use the term “pro-abortion”, I assume they are referring to a situation where a government compels a woman to have an abortion against her will. The conversations that follow are amusing.
This is really similar to the problem I had (still have) when I pointed out that Bergoglio (throne name, Pope Francis) was not the "good guy" that popular perception made him out to be. Every time, I'd ask if people knew about his history, and cared what his actual actions were. Most of the time, no, they didn't. Although lots of Argentines know about Bergoglio, USians mostly don't. They're conned by the media blitz. Which is why you need to take dumbassery like this preacher with a metric ton of salt. Thank you, Hemant, for doing exactly that.
Further Thought: Pastor Livingston, you're absolutely right in that we do not live in a Christian nation. Where you lose the thread is in suggesting that we should live in one. You have no guarantee that your particular brand of Christianity is going to be on top if we were to become such a nation. You might want to think about that.
Because it's pretty clear to me that you haven't.
I've been an abortion rights activist for 40 some years. Yes, abortion is more prevalent among minorities. That's because minorities are more likely to be unable to financially or practically support an unexpected child. It has nothing to do with racist doctors and activists wanting black and brown people to kill their babies; it has to do with a racist system that keeps black and brown people down.
Bernalillo County just approved a permit to build a mosque in an area called the North Valley. The bigots exploded out of the septic tank. Then when a few Catholic priests announced that they approved the county's decision thins got really obscene.
One of those wolves in sheep's clothing, cynically promoted by haters in an effort to convince those who are a bit left leaning that the haters on the right aren't "so bad" They are. This is diabolical.
At least in this case, Professor Moriarty is not fooled.
I saw that clip, googled Central Church & figured that was clickbait. It’s likely what you said. Livingston doesn’t think the US is a Christian nation because it’s not as exclusive as he’d like it to be.
I saw the clip and was listening for the hitch.
Hitch would have ripped this guy apart. ; )