Worth noting the LDS church never went after South Park - even though when most people hear the words 'mormon' or 'Joseph Smith', the rely is Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb., Dumb.
If the LDS-church has the word "Mormon" trade marked, they admit it is used for trade. They sell false hope into a good afterlife for big money to customers who can't complain afterwards when they don't get what was promised. The conclusion is that the LDS-church is a for profit commercial organisation that must be taxed.
I categorize the Mormon Church under the heading ‘Some people will believe anything.’ It’s about one notch above Scientology. From what I’ve seen, the real message of the Mormons is conformity at all costs, and woe be unto whomever gets out of line.
The Mormon Church is a SNOWFLAKE! Wowie-zowie, who woulda thunk it? As Hemant notes, they don't go after the smash hit show, The Book of Mormon, nor do they attempt to force the cancellation of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but when a podcaster takes well-aimed shots at their bow, their Mormon underwear gets all in a twist!
I've heard of "low-hanging fruit," but this one takes the taco.
They are going after the podcaster because their sheep might take him more seriously than they see entertainment media. Pointing out their flaws as entertainment can be ignored as "persecution" at best, pointing out their flaws directly and asking their flock to actually think about them is dangerous to their membership and cash flow.
Oh, gee, now a multi-billion-dollar organization is feeling all persecuted? Other churches get criticized and they manage, but when the Mormons are under fire, they want to get all huffy.
I'd be sorely tempted to go all Col. Nathan R. Jessup on their asses and tell them, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
Mr Dehlin needs to file an anti-SLAPP motion. Surprisingly, Utah has strong anti-SLAPP protections.
"Signed into law in 2023, Utah’s Public Expression Act[1] “enacts the Uniform Public Expression Protection Act,” and hews closely to the Uniform Law Commission’s model law."
That's not going to help him. It would if the lawsuit was about his criticism or claims they say are false, but it's not. It's a simple infringement case.
Trademark law doesn't apply to legitimate criticism and news. Hasbro hasn't sued YouTubers with video titles like "Hasbro has destroyed D&D" for example. Disney hasn't sued over things like "How Disney ruined Star Wars" and they've sued over trivial things before.
Where is the infringement? It is only infringement of his use actually caused confusion such that a reasonable person would think his podcast was an official Church communication.
This is a SLAPP suit aimed at directly at John Dehlin to silence him. The mormon church has been well aware of Dehlin and the content of his podcast for decades. In 2016, when a now-former mormon named Jeremy Runnells wrote a detailed take-down of church history known as the CES Letter, church officials specifically quoted from his 3-part interview on Mormon Stories as 'evidence' of Runnells' apostasy before kicking him out of the church.
Dehlin also faced a church trial for apostasy and was kicked out. But it's pretty clear that even though Dehlin quit the church, they can't quit him. His podcast is popular and growing; the church is bleeding membership, especially among the young. But instead of using their vast wealth [and it is VAST] to promote the church, they're going after a podcaster because he's more effective than they are.
Stay strong, John. You have the truth on your side, and this lawsuit should be thrown out of court.
The court should levy a fine against the Mormon church for wasting the court's time with a blatantly frivolous lawsuit. And given the LDS' obscene wealth, the fine should a hefty one.
Agreed, but not any courts in Utah. The state, it's government was created and is controlled by Mormons. A good bet the courts are too. No such thing as separation of church and state in Utah. 😆
Hi folks, it’s been a while. The last two days were my mother’s funeral so I haven’t been in the mood. I have been with my dad this past week helping with the arrangements. I’m driving home tomorrow, so I probably won’t be on all day. I’ll be back to normal soon.
I used to love to listen to my recording of Handel’s “Messiah” as performed by the Norman Aberschnakle choir. I eventually found better ones. Maybe they’ll sue? Maybe.
I’m wondering if it would be considered copyright infringement if I referred to them as the Mor*on Church.
IN 2008, Mor*ons spent I think $25 million dollars to make sure I couldn’t get married. $25 million that could have been spent feeding children. I am forbidden to say that they were trying to use the force of secular law to enforce that purely theological concerns on people who don’t share them.
I wonder what they are doing about the use of the word MOR*ON by a website known as floodlit.org. It’s a highly offensive slur against the MOR*ONS by listing case after case of sexual abuse my MOR*ONS. And I am forbidden to say that they should put their house in order before attacking someone else’s house.This is not an advertisement or suggestion that you go to floodlit.org and review that. I’m simply reporting that such a website exists.
Hate to inform the LDS, but astronomically speaking? There is no Kolob. No star, no planet and no governing body that controls other worlds. It's just a Mormon concept.
Yeah, it parallels all other religions that too are just a concept, because their gods only exist in the minds of the brainwashed, delusional and gullible people.
Religious cults with magick, zombie saviors, virgin births, talking snakes, magic apples, holy underwear, 'Egyptian tablets" in Illinois, an afterlife in the sky or on another planet and the insane list goes on and on.
That people think this is normal behavior in a 21st century society does not bode well for the future of humanity.
I must have been an ugly child. The only clergy member who ever touched me while I was an altar boy was the nun who slapped me across my back for pacing in the sacristy during midnight mass. She hit me hard enough that her hand print was still on my back when I got home that night.
Luckily I never mixed with clergy, as my parents were intermittent churchgoers if that. Still, got a friend who went through the Catholic Church until he got wise, and was never touched. Although there was one priest that his father steered him away from.
Dum(b) dum(b) dum(b) dum(b) duuum(b)
They don't like Dehlin using the word "Mormon?" Fine. He should switch to Mor(m)on." Let's see the LDS claim copyright infringement on THAT.
Not a lot of people know dumb ends with a b.
And a d is just a backwards b. So there is that.
bumd
That describes how most of us feel daily.
MOR*ON.
FWIW, there's another popular podcast called Nemo the Mormon from the UK. Is the Church of Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb going to go after him, too?
Nah, despite all the teen boys going to foreign countries to get people to join, they still only care about the US.
🎵
I believe that Satan has a hold of you
I believe that the Lord God has sent me here
And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people
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(later...)
And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri
(I grew up in the same school district as Matt and Trey)
That's cool!
Admittedly they were in the rich schools and I was in the middle-class ones. So I probably had more Mormons, but they had more annoying ones.
Individual Mormons are great. I had lots of Mormon friends growing up. The Church, however, sucks, especially for women.
Couldn't agree more!
https://youtu.be/RaRsv1xNT3A?is=QGXX23UbYBBgFh4i
Worth noting the LDS church never went after South Park - even though when most people hear the words 'mormon' or 'Joseph Smith', the rely is Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb., Dumb.
That's why I made mention of that South Park reference in my opening sentence. :)
If the LDS-church has the word "Mormon" trade marked, they admit it is used for trade. They sell false hope into a good afterlife for big money to customers who can't complain afterwards when they don't get what was promised. The conclusion is that the LDS-church is a for profit commercial organisation that must be taxed.
Tax the fucking churches! Frank Zappa-1980 😆
Maybe a fun "gotcha", but it runs aground on the reality of how trademarks are used.
On a second thought, the LDS church is not a commerce, it's a scam.
A church started by a con man is suing because someone is harshing the con.
Doesn't "church started by a con man" describe all the churches? Asking for a friend.
I categorize the Mormon Church under the heading ‘Some people will believe anything.’ It’s about one notch above Scientology. From what I’ve seen, the real message of the Mormons is conformity at all costs, and woe be unto whomever gets out of line.
The adjectives of Mormonism: controlling, preposterous, highly profitable, cultish, expensive, etc. Sounds like MAGA with an aura of piety.
Indeed it does. Once people become convinced they're operating under divine sanction, they can rationalize an excuse for just about anything.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
Right up there with DEUS VULT ... which frankly, makes me want to puke!
It’s just 150 years older than Scientology. It’s the Scientology of the early 19th century
And christianity is the Scientology of the 1st century.
The Mormon Church is a SNOWFLAKE! Wowie-zowie, who woulda thunk it? As Hemant notes, they don't go after the smash hit show, The Book of Mormon, nor do they attempt to force the cancellation of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but when a podcaster takes well-aimed shots at their bow, their Mormon underwear gets all in a twist!
I've heard of "low-hanging fruit," but this one takes the taco.
They are going after the podcaster because their sheep might take him more seriously than they see entertainment media. Pointing out their flaws as entertainment can be ignored as "persecution" at best, pointing out their flaws directly and asking their flock to actually think about them is dangerous to their membership and cash flow.
Oh, gee, now a multi-billion-dollar organization is feeling all persecuted? Other churches get criticized and they manage, but when the Mormons are under fire, they want to get all huffy.
I'd be sorely tempted to go all Col. Nathan R. Jessup on their asses and tell them, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
The is blatant lawsuit abuse. They want to bankrupt him so he'll have to end the podcast.
Exactly. The process is the punishment.
Mr Dehlin needs to file an anti-SLAPP motion. Surprisingly, Utah has strong anti-SLAPP protections.
"Signed into law in 2023, Utah’s Public Expression Act[1] “enacts the Uniform Public Expression Protection Act,” and hews closely to the Uniform Law Commission’s model law."
https://www.ifs.org/anti-slapp-states/utah/
That's not going to help him. It would if the lawsuit was about his criticism or claims they say are false, but it's not. It's a simple infringement case.
Trademark law doesn't apply to legitimate criticism and news. Hasbro hasn't sued YouTubers with video titles like "Hasbro has destroyed D&D" for example. Disney hasn't sued over things like "How Disney ruined Star Wars" and they've sued over trivial things before.
Where is the infringement? It is only infringement of his use actually caused confusion such that a reasonable person would think his podcast was an official Church communication.
Agreed, money talks and Mormons have plenty of slapping cash. All tax free 😆
This is a SLAPP suit aimed at directly at John Dehlin to silence him. The mormon church has been well aware of Dehlin and the content of his podcast for decades. In 2016, when a now-former mormon named Jeremy Runnells wrote a detailed take-down of church history known as the CES Letter, church officials specifically quoted from his 3-part interview on Mormon Stories as 'evidence' of Runnells' apostasy before kicking him out of the church.
Dehlin also faced a church trial for apostasy and was kicked out. But it's pretty clear that even though Dehlin quit the church, they can't quit him. His podcast is popular and growing; the church is bleeding membership, especially among the young. But instead of using their vast wealth [and it is VAST] to promote the church, they're going after a podcaster because he's more effective than they are.
Stay strong, John. You have the truth on your side, and this lawsuit should be thrown out of court.
I think that any court worth its salt will see the difference between punching UP and punching DOWN here.
And a blind man could see which is which in this case.
Punching down has always been a trademark of that church.
Uh-oh. Hemant used the word "Mormon" to criticize the Mormons. I am ready to donate to his legal defense fund.
The court should levy a fine against the Mormon church for wasting the court's time with a blatantly frivolous lawsuit. And given the LDS' obscene wealth, the fine should a hefty one.
Agreed, but not any courts in Utah. The state, it's government was created and is controlled by Mormons. A good bet the courts are too. No such thing as separation of church and state in Utah. 😆
Hi folks, it’s been a while. The last two days were my mother’s funeral so I haven’t been in the mood. I have been with my dad this past week helping with the arrangements. I’m driving home tomorrow, so I probably won’t be on all day. I’ll be back to normal soon.
Good to hear from you again. Take all the time you need.
Which reminds me, what happened to of inch?
Thought about him the other day. He's been gone a lot longer than I expected.
That was supposed to be cdbunch. Fukkin autocomplete.
And my answer to you got put in the wrong place.
Take care, and drive safely. Don't worry about being 'back to normal', just grieve in your own time.
🫶🏻
I used to love to listen to my recording of Handel’s “Messiah” as performed by the Norman Aberschnakle choir. I eventually found better ones. Maybe they’ll sue? Maybe.
I’m wondering if it would be considered copyright infringement if I referred to them as the Mor*on Church.
IN 2008, Mor*ons spent I think $25 million dollars to make sure I couldn’t get married. $25 million that could have been spent feeding children. I am forbidden to say that they were trying to use the force of secular law to enforce that purely theological concerns on people who don’t share them.
I wonder what they are doing about the use of the word MOR*ON by a website known as floodlit.org. It’s a highly offensive slur against the MOR*ONS by listing case after case of sexual abuse my MOR*ONS. And I am forbidden to say that they should put their house in order before attacking someone else’s house.This is not an advertisement or suggestion that you go to floodlit.org and review that. I’m simply reporting that such a website exists.
https://imgflip.com/i/72qxyy
You reminded me of the explanation of the infinite improbability drive from the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" movie from 2005.
https://youtu.be/tmm5fb9X9sY?t=20
Thank you for your wonderful reporting.
I do my best to make the Planet better for everyone
You do all right, even before your first cup of coffee.
Awwww, thanks
John Dehlin, no planet for you!
Oh, and he's SO broken up about that ... NOT!
Hate to inform the LDS, but astronomically speaking? There is no Kolob. No star, no planet and no governing body that controls other worlds. It's just a Mormon concept.
Yeah, it parallels all other religions that too are just a concept, because their gods only exist in the minds of the brainwashed, delusional and gullible people.
When I was 16, I read the Book of Mormon... to quote the French - C'est drôle ça. If you want a good time, have a go at The Book of Ether.
Religious cults with magick, zombie saviors, virgin births, talking snakes, magic apples, holy underwear, 'Egyptian tablets" in Illinois, an afterlife in the sky or on another planet and the insane list goes on and on.
That people think this is normal behavior in a 21st century society does not bode well for the future of humanity.
I think any intelligent life that found us is staying away out of fear of our idiocy and its consequences.
"In 2015, Dehlin was officially kicked out of the Church for the “crime” of apostasy—he was accused of leading people away from the Church-"
Dehlin should have been given the medal of freedom.
I understand his pain. I once used the term "Sheepfucker", and was also sued by the Mormon church for copy right infringement.
I got the opposite reaction from the RCC. I typed "Altar Boy" and my email filled up with inquiries by their clergy.
I must have been an ugly child. The only clergy member who ever touched me while I was an altar boy was the nun who slapped me across my back for pacing in the sacristy during midnight mass. She hit me hard enough that her hand print was still on my back when I got home that night.
I'm not sure Catholic clergy are drawn to looks so much as youth itself.
Luckily I never mixed with clergy, as my parents were intermittent churchgoers if that. Still, got a friend who went through the Catholic Church until he got wise, and was never touched. Although there was one priest that his father steered him away from.
If you would have used the sheep's real names, Urim and Thummim, you would have been ok.