We know. Their idea of Jesus is just like them. A vengeful bigot who hates everyone who doesn't fit into their narrow little boxes. It is not surprising that this ad campaign is funded by Hobby Lobby money. The only surprising thing is that Dan Cathy of Bigot Bird isn't on the list.
Christianity only recognizes male and female and if that's considered bigotry that's your problem.
Unfortunately for christopretenders Jesus Christ recognizes a lot more sins than just abortion and LGBTQIA stuff.
And Jesus Christ never said to preach hate instead of just minding our own business.
I don't support LGBTQ which is why I choose to be and stay straight.
I don't expect non Christians to live by Christian standards and I would appreciate it if they stopped trying to coerce me into affirming them by calling me bigot and forcing me to disclose pronouns and wave pride flags.
Sin is imaginary bullshit, bigot. Also alleged straight guys that spend their days worrying about what other men do with their genitalia says more about you than them.
Their is no coercion except by xtians. Gay people don't come to my door trying to convert me to their xtian cult.
People like you demanding acceptance and conformity are what created the resentment that led people to support Donald Trump.
Why don't you just accept that not everyone will accept you and stop being so insecure but you can't because being sexually perverted will never not be an insecurity which is why you want affirmation because affirmations create equality and rejection feels like the other side is morally superior and you feel judged by them even if they aren't oppressing you.
"They just wanted to get married" until they didn't.
We gave homosexuality a chance in America and they didn't accept the victory and instead they became the oppressors and suddenly everybody had to affirm them or they were in trouble and that's why people supported Trump in 2016.
The theory that evil and good can't coexist is a philosophical point that keeps being proven right and in theory we have many countries with closed borders to keep the peace so that diversity doesn't create conflict but evil always seems to spread and doesn't restrain itself from trespassing.
The LGBTQ people aren’t asking you to accept them, just stop killing them. Christians have murdered LGBTQ people for as long as Christian’s have existed. They also bully LGBTQ people into suicide, remove basic human needs from their reach, and are actively undermining LGBTQ people’s humanity. But sure, you being called a bigot is the problem we should focus on. Fuck off.
If your goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying turd doesn’t like me, then why doesn’t your goddybitch get off his golden throne and come smite me himself! Goddybitch can send that worthless lazy BASTARD son of his to smite me! Don’t send the flying turd, I will just shoot it!
So, what are you going to do about it! I resent Christians pushing their mythology on me! If you want to believe in myths, fine, just keep it to your self!
When did you make a reasoned, deliberate choice to be straight?
Can you choose to be gay for a while? Not just going through the motions and having hot, sweaty, throbbing, man on man sex, but to actually be gay? Just to make sure you didn't choose poorly?
So happy for you that you chose to be and stay straight. But, how come the LGBTQ community doesn't get a choice? And, are you really choosing anything? Is it hard for you to remain straight? If so, do you have any urges to become gay? If not, is it really a choice then? And if it's not really your choice, why do think that the LGBTQ community is making choices to be who they are? I'm really confused man. And I think you are, too.
Jesus confronted racism with love. Jesus was a refugee. Jesus fought off systems of oppression.
And Jesus threatens all of us with HELL. Ain't he just a swell fella.
The whole "he gets us" crap amounts to very little more than a phenomenal waste of money. The $100 million that The Servant Christian Foundation is spending could have been used to feed and clothe people who need either or both, or perhaps provide housing for the homeless ... but nope. They'd rather thumb their nose at Matthew 6:5-6 and tell everyone how neat their supposed savior is.
And the message apparently isn't selling well. Whoda thunk it? 😝
Jesus confronted racism with love. Where? The only example in the gospels is his dealings with the Samaritan woman, where he helped her, but still showed contempt. Jesus was a refugee. So? Did that make him advocate for other refugees? If I remember correctly, he was a refugee as an infant due to some royal dude wanting the baby killed. Jesus fought off systems of oppression? Not really. Sure, he spoke against Rome, but only to push for his own system of oppression.
The message isn't selling well because people can look past the surface platitudes and find the fascism underneath.
He wasn’t a refugee. The flight to Egypt was found only in Matthew.
Luke tells a very different story. A story of Joseph and Mary merely presenting Jesus in the temple according their beliefs and laws and then taking Jesus home. No flight to Egypt was mentioned and there was no reason for one.
Matthew was writing for a specifically Jewish audience, and a lot of Matthew is explaining how the coming of Jesus fulfilled all kinds of Old Testament prophecies. The Messiah was specifically supposed to come from Bethlehem, but everyone knew Jesus was from Nazareth. So they concoct a story sending him to Bethlehem to be born. And then there was a prophecy that said the Messiah would have to come from Egypt. So they had to work that in somehow.
Hell, Jesus dissed his own mother, fer petesake. Jesus would be lucky to get ANYTHING of the 21st century ... but then, being that he is an invention without substance, that should surprise no one.
Believing Jesus Christ isn't God is one thing but you hate Jesus Christ so much you don't even want to acknowledge that he exists as a historical figure.
We are not in the habit of hating things that don't exist. We DO have a problem with the promotion of baseless belief systems which have been taken to absurd extremes, mostly in the service of people controlling other people. Right now, that is too much of what Christianity is in spades.
I have no reason to believe ANY religion. Thus, I subscribe to NONE OF THEM. I am an atheist, and I do not blink when I say so.
And, despite all the money they have burned through, the church parking lots here in the Bible Belt remain ‘underutilized’… I keep expecting the Evilgelicals to announce they reject those ‘false gospels’ in their inerrant Bible and that they have found a copy of the true gospel of rethuglican Jeebus. New, updated Bible coming right up.
Whoop-whoop. Until there is hard evidence to support the existence of either place, my disdain for both, as well as the religion that espouses them, continues unabated.
I'm not here to proselytize. I'm here to do public relations management or PR damage control from all the grifters that are damaging Christianitys already intrinsically controversial reputation.
Really, never read about the history of Christianity! There is the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the genocide of the Catharsis, the purges of the Jews, the residential schools, etc.
Then you're wasting your time. The regulars here (including myself) aren't having any, not of "PR damage control" or the simplistic BS which is the "he gets us" campaign.
You can go peddle your papers elsewhere. I seriously doubt you'll get any sales here.
It's also in your best interest to stop the grift.
But you prefer to have Christianity discrediting through hasty generalizations instead of admitting that modern Christian nationalism is just capitalism in Bible drag.
Even Kyle Kulinski knows that this form of Christianity is a grift and many leftists know but some small segment are committed to spreading lies because the pretentious examples of Christian identity are useful to try to discredit Christianity entirely.
Grift? Calling a spade a spade is a grift? Christianity lately has done such a great job of discrediting itself that we hardly need to throw in our $0.02 worth. We DO opine for multiple reasons, not the least of which is to point out the multiple contradictions and general bullshit which comprise the bible and the too many belief systems built on it.
Far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a grift because it is built on myth and superstition instead of fact and evidence and because it is used for manipulation and control. If you wish to practice it, go ahead. Do not think for one second that we will give it any consideration, never mind endorsement.
I would be interested in knowing what their methodology was in determining Jesus ‘gets us’, because I certainly don’t see any evidence for it. Christianity has had centuries to get its message out, and all it has ever accomplished is the creation of the most factionalized religion on the planet. A process that has had horrific consequences for humanity. If Jesus wants to talk to me, he can show up any time he wants and do so. In the meantime I have no patience for the people presuming to speak on his behalf, as they do not come close to presenting a consistent message.
Frankly, I have all sorts of problems with Jesus, from his "I come not to bring peace but a sword" to the threat of hell he introduced to the world. I have a problem with his assertion that salvation is based on BELIEF rather on FACT and that the spreading of his word has come at the price of so many millions of lives, and that's just scratching the surface.
Potts can be okay with Jesus all she wants. Doesn't mean I have to be, too.
Christianity track record is very bad when it comes to people that are different from having different views on Christianity itself to Christianity interactions with other religions to Christianity’s view on people’s behaviour, etc.
Of course, there is a small matter of proving existence of their deity; 2000 years and still no actual concrete evidence has been presented!
Racism is ethnophyletism which threatens the indivisible Church with fragmentation and elevates race above faith and communion with God and through Christ with each other.
Just curious, what part of "sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor" makes people think Jesus would appreciate spending 700,000,000 dollars on a marketing campaign?
That money could fund quite a few food banks to the end of the year. It could really help out the ACLU and immigrant's rights groups right about now. It could help lobby the government to change how immigrants are treated, how we treat prisoners in sub-humane conditions. It could pay off medical debt. It could adopt a lot of orphans. Fund afterschool programs for kids who need a safe place to go.
Look, I know I only have a handful of "approved" books to go off of here, but I feel like the apocalyptic preaching rabbi Jesus of Nazareth that a majority of scholars think existed would really hate everything about our Imperial and consumerist culture and wasting your money on trying to make converts and turning them into twice the sons of Hell that you are.
He Gets Us is an outward-facing solution to an inward problem. That's why these ads don't land. They literally point out the all the reasons people are walking away from christianity, especially the wasting of multi-millions of dollars on high-profile ads, ADS!, when 'god's people' can't afford groceries. Own goal, christians. Keep up the good work. 😂
Why are these christian groups spending so much money on something with negligible impact? Why isn't this money being spent on charities that actually do good in the world and have an impact? This is no different than a politician spending millions of dollars on a losing campaign, instead of channeling that money into something worthwhile.
it’s also a grift. Some of that money is buying ad spots, sure, but the rest of it is justifying “nonprofit” foundations that don’t do anything useful, paying marketing agencies that peddle hate, etc., etc., year after year. It supports their own infrastructure. But they get to tell themselves they’re doing “important outreach” and pat themselves on the back.
If the Christian fascist put that money in actual charities that help people, then in the mind of these fuckwits the “wrong” people might get help (people that the Christian hate such as atheists, gays, muslims, etc.).
Spending this money is a bit like prayer. It’s not for the benefit of the other people, but for the benefit of the people praying or the people spending the money.
Prayer is what you do when you don’t want to do anything but don’t want to get called out for it. Spending $700 million is what you do when you don’t want to be whom you claim to be in the world but don’t want to get called out for it.
I think the advertisement should have been about calling out christopretenders but then it will be too controversial and may even receive defamation lawsuits because calling people in power fake Christians in front of millions of people is dangerous but as Christians we have to be willing to be Martyrs for the truth. That being said would the court ever hear a case where true Christians cite the Bible and Christian sources to prove the sincerity of their religion and the pretension of someone else who sues them from defamation? Or is anyone who calls themselves Christian legally a Christian in America?
There's a lot of legal fiction in America for just a satanic temple getting religious protection status even though they claim to be atheist.
The Satanic Temple are atheists, they don’t believe in a literal Satan, and they never claimed to. Nor do they worship Satan or use him in any way that would belie their atheism. They use Satan as a tool to protect the separation of church and state, which is not a legal fiction.
I managed to avoid these clueless ads by listening to the proceedings on the radio instead of watching on a TV I don't own. I got the better end of the bargain (especially that sweet outcome at the end).
Jesus gets us? Jesus doesn't exist and never did. If he ever did exist, he left no imprint on the world and changed nothing.
A god that needs his cult to spend outrageous sums of money on lame ads promoting its brand, instead of helping the poor, feeding the hungry and curing the sick, says not worthy of worship, impotent and weak. It also says imaginary because an allegedly impotent being could simply show itself and ask for followers to worship it.
Critical thinking skills are something xtians don't possess and clearly are unable to develop.
My most important takeaway: "A good product that already has widespread usage shouldn’t need a marketing campaign at all...... Marketing Jesus comes with an inherent flaw: Most of the people using the product aren’t worth admiring."
The thing is, religion (Christianity especially, and the evangelical sects are the most obnoxious about it) is a MLM scam. It’s all marketing/advertising. There’s no real product, folks buy in and become brainwashed then they go out to sell it to others. MLM scams like Amway and even Mary Kay use religious tactics to sell their brands. Amway is practically a Christian sect itself and run by uber religious people. They use a lot of religious rituals to get the people to buy in, they talk like preachers at meetings and use similar words and phrases.
Religion can’t work if the people aren’t all selling it, not a product but be part of the brand.
Further Thought: Does Jesus "get" an atheist? Does he have the slightest inkling of WHY I and others like me suspect that he and his daddy have never had any palpable existence and why we find the messages he promoted more than a little disingenuous? I wonder if he would have any thought to my attitude that this campaign of his strikes me as foolish and simplistic.
And I can't escape the feeling that the answer to all of the above questions is a resounding "NO."
I never trust folks who do this type of marketing. Tell farmer stories to farmers, fish stories to fishermen, stonecutter stories to stonecutters, parenting stories to parents, all the while not being any one of those things. He wasn’t even a carpenter. It’s just another way of grifters to tell their marks what they want to hear, not what is real, true, or useful.
We are busy busy busy with our move and I just woke up. So I may be brief, or I may not.
Christian apologetics are not so much intended to convince non-believers as they are intended to convince believers. That, I think, it is the biggest fault with the “he gets us”. Well, there are other others. But this is a problem. This is apologetics through and through.
And it’s also piles of lies. And you can’t spell piles without lies. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that piles is an old euphemism for Hemorrhoids, which leads us to the subject of assholes and hurt.
Have you ever been bullied? Oh yes, I was bullied as a child as the obviously gay kid as the obvious Jewish kid as the obviously weird kid. But mostly as the gay kid. As an adult, I’ve watched Christian bullies spend millions and billions of dollars to exclude me from society, projecting all of their sins onto me, especially the sins of child molestation. The vast majority of child molestation occur occurs within the holy heterosexual family. And every year, in my newsfeed, there are as many as 500 professional Christians arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for their sex crimes against children, often women, and occasionally men. And yet, they revival and slander gay people, trenched gender people, gender dysphoric people, and drag queens. And I have mentioned many times, the very same passage in Corinthians that they used to condemn gay people also contempt people who revile and slander.
Jesus was a refugee? One small story in one place in the Bible about the flight into Egypt is, what I assume they are using to justify the egregious lie. But he came back, and had no problem wandering all over the place. There weren’t any ice bullies to send Jesus back to Egypt.
Jesus fought Sytems of oppression? No, he did not. In fact, that’s pretty much the reason why the people dropped him because he wasn’t the promised to Messiah. And he himself said his kingdom was not of this world. He did nothing against the Romans. In fact, when pilate asked him if he was the king of the Jews,jesus said neither yes nor no.
Jesus said give away all that you have and follow me, not collect enough money that you can donate $700 million to an ad campaign while people starve.
I find it ironic that in a sense – no offense intended, Hemant— Hemant’s essay is it kind of apologetics for the anti-Dominionism shared by everybody here. His essay is not going to convince us because we’re already convinced. It’s not going to convince true believers, either.
He is also shooting for the movable middle.
But the difference is, Hemant isn’t spending $700 million.
𝐼𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑑, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑢𝑠. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑤ℎ𝑜 “𝑢𝑠” 𝑖𝑠.
We know. Their idea of Jesus is just like them. A vengeful bigot who hates everyone who doesn't fit into their narrow little boxes. It is not surprising that this ad campaign is funded by Hobby Lobby money. The only surprising thing is that Dan Cathy of Bigot Bird isn't on the list.
Christianity only recognizes male and female and if that's considered bigotry that's your problem.
Unfortunately for christopretenders Jesus Christ recognizes a lot more sins than just abortion and LGBTQIA stuff.
And Jesus Christ never said to preach hate instead of just minding our own business.
I don't support LGBTQ which is why I choose to be and stay straight.
I don't expect non Christians to live by Christian standards and I would appreciate it if they stopped trying to coerce me into affirming them by calling me bigot and forcing me to disclose pronouns and wave pride flags.
The coercion needs to stop on both sides.
Sin is imaginary bullshit, bigot. Also alleged straight guys that spend their days worrying about what other men do with their genitalia says more about you than them.
Their is no coercion except by xtians. Gay people don't come to my door trying to convert me to their xtian cult.
Did I mention? Fuck you, bigot.
People like you demanding acceptance and conformity are what created the resentment that led people to support Donald Trump.
Why don't you just accept that not everyone will accept you and stop being so insecure but you can't because being sexually perverted will never not be an insecurity which is why you want affirmation because affirmations create equality and rejection feels like the other side is morally superior and you feel judged by them even if they aren't oppressing you.
"They just wanted to get married" until they didn't.
We gave homosexuality a chance in America and they didn't accept the victory and instead they became the oppressors and suddenly everybody had to affirm them or they were in trouble and that's why people supported Trump in 2016.
The theory that evil and good can't coexist is a philosophical point that keeps being proven right and in theory we have many countries with closed borders to keep the peace so that diversity doesn't create conflict but evil always seems to spread and doesn't restrain itself from trespassing.
I don't give a rat's ass whether you accept other people. In fact xtian bigots are the most intolerant assholes I've ever meet.
You sure do think about men having sex a lot. I bet your family knows about your Grindr account.
“We gave homosexuality a chance in America”
How magnanimous of you.
The LGBTQ people aren’t asking you to accept them, just stop killing them. Christians have murdered LGBTQ people for as long as Christian’s have existed. They also bully LGBTQ people into suicide, remove basic human needs from their reach, and are actively undermining LGBTQ people’s humanity. But sure, you being called a bigot is the problem we should focus on. Fuck off.
At the same time why don't you just accept that not everyone will accept you as a Christian?
Goes both ways bub.
If your goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying turd doesn’t like me, then why doesn’t your goddybitch get off his golden throne and come smite me himself! Goddybitch can send that worthless lazy BASTARD son of his to smite me! Don’t send the flying turd, I will just shoot it!
Resentment against Christianity is all I read from you and most activists that hate Christianity. James Talarico I hope he can help fix this problem
So, what are you going to do about it! I resent Christians pushing their mythology on me! If you want to believe in myths, fine, just keep it to your self!
Most people here don’t hate christians. But several people here have had bad times from some of the things christians do “out of love” (yeah, really).
We just want to accept people as they are, without being forced into someone else’s shapes and sizes. Is that too much to ask?
Why are you here? What's your point?
More pudding to occupy your pudding-hole. 💩
You can accept others as they are or not, but shutting the fuck up about it is conducive to a life not plagued by shovel-face interaction sessions.
Have some more pudding. 💩
No one is trying to turn you “gay”, people just want the same Human rights that you have,
I think you got lost on your way to Xitter. Why don’t you pick up your baggage and ease on over there?
"I choose to be and stay straight."
When did you make a reasoned, deliberate choice to be straight?
Can you choose to be gay for a while? Not just going through the motions and having hot, sweaty, throbbing, man on man sex, but to actually be gay? Just to make sure you didn't choose poorly?
So happy for you that you chose to be and stay straight. But, how come the LGBTQ community doesn't get a choice? And, are you really choosing anything? Is it hard for you to remain straight? If so, do you have any urges to become gay? If not, is it really a choice then? And if it's not really your choice, why do think that the LGBTQ community is making choices to be who they are? I'm really confused man. And I think you are, too.
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Hilarious. No one is forcing LGBT down your throat. The LGBT just wants equal representation. Get over it.
Jesus is just as real as leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy.
Here, you clearly need some pudding. 💩
Jesus confronted racism with love. Jesus was a refugee. Jesus fought off systems of oppression.
And Jesus threatens all of us with HELL. Ain't he just a swell fella.
The whole "he gets us" crap amounts to very little more than a phenomenal waste of money. The $100 million that The Servant Christian Foundation is spending could have been used to feed and clothe people who need either or both, or perhaps provide housing for the homeless ... but nope. They'd rather thumb their nose at Matthew 6:5-6 and tell everyone how neat their supposed savior is.
And the message apparently isn't selling well. Whoda thunk it? 😝
Jesus confronted racism with love. Where? The only example in the gospels is his dealings with the Samaritan woman, where he helped her, but still showed contempt. Jesus was a refugee. So? Did that make him advocate for other refugees? If I remember correctly, he was a refugee as an infant due to some royal dude wanting the baby killed. Jesus fought off systems of oppression? Not really. Sure, he spoke against Rome, but only to push for his own system of oppression.
The message isn't selling well because people can look past the surface platitudes and find the fascism underneath.
He wasn’t a refugee. The flight to Egypt was found only in Matthew.
Luke tells a very different story. A story of Joseph and Mary merely presenting Jesus in the temple according their beliefs and laws and then taking Jesus home. No flight to Egypt was mentioned and there was no reason for one.
That kind of thing happens when you're born at least ten years after you're born.
Never mind when the story of the guy is written 40 years after he supposedly died!
One baby Jesus, two different stories. It’s like the bible (hell, just the NT alone) can’t even be consistent in what it manufactures.
"Luke and Mark used a lot of drugs."
https://youtu.be/ssSkwv8iBfU?t=139
“If John was Jesus on pot, Revelations is Jesus on acid.” I forgot who said it, but the NT is a big hot mess.
Matthew was writing for a specifically Jewish audience, and a lot of Matthew is explaining how the coming of Jesus fulfilled all kinds of Old Testament prophecies. The Messiah was specifically supposed to come from Bethlehem, but everyone knew Jesus was from Nazareth. So they concoct a story sending him to Bethlehem to be born. And then there was a prophecy that said the Messiah would have to come from Egypt. So they had to work that in somehow.
What they couldn't nail is the fact that the Jewish messiah is very human, unlike the divine Christian messiah.
Jesus is no more the messiah than I am.
You're just a very naughty boy.
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the laugh, Zizzer! 🤣🤣🤣
Why, oh why are there 4 different gospels which disagree so very much? And don’t agree with the epistles at all?
Hell, Jesus dissed his own mother, fer petesake. Jesus would be lucky to get ANYTHING of the 21st century ... but then, being that he is an invention without substance, that should surprise no one.
He dissed his own mother and told his own followers to abandon their wives and kids. Sounds about christian to me.
And there is the little problem of bad things happening to good people and good things happening to bad people… so many ignored prayers.
Jesus is nothing, if not flexible. You can always find a church willing to tell you what you want to hear.
Something or someone who attempts to be all things to all people may wind up being nothing to no one.
That was Paul’s claim. Guess that makes the equally-nonexistent SaulPaul nothing to anyone.
Jesus Christ gatekeept Christianity.
The problem with Christianity is the gates have been torn down and everyone feels the freedom to identify as a Christian even if they aren't.
Jesus: never existed. There are no gates or imaginary friends.
Believing Jesus Christ isn't God is one thing but you hate Jesus Christ so much you don't even want to acknowledge that he exists as a historical figure.
We are not in the habit of hating things that don't exist. We DO have a problem with the promotion of baseless belief systems which have been taken to absurd extremes, mostly in the service of people controlling other people. Right now, that is too much of what Christianity is in spades.
I have no reason to believe ANY religion. Thus, I subscribe to NONE OF THEM. I am an atheist, and I do not blink when I say so.
Prove he existed!
I don't hate that which can't be proven. I don't hate the alleged jesus any more than I hate Sasquatch, the Oster bunny or Mr Magoo.
And, despite all the money they have burned through, the church parking lots here in the Bible Belt remain ‘underutilized’… I keep expecting the Evilgelicals to announce they reject those ‘false gospels’ in their inerrant Bible and that they have found a copy of the true gospel of rethuglican Jeebus. New, updated Bible coming right up.
There is a philosophy on why you must go to hell if you reject Christianity.
Either you would beg to go there or you are not fit for living in Paradise kingdom because of your pride/sin.
Whoop-whoop. Until there is hard evidence to support the existence of either place, my disdain for both, as well as the religion that espouses them, continues unabated.
𝐼𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑆𝐻𝑂𝑊 𝑖𝑡, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝐾𝑁𝑂𝑊 𝑖𝑡.
-- Aron Ra
I'm not here to proselytize. I'm here to do public relations management or PR damage control from all the grifters that are damaging Christianitys already intrinsically controversial reputation.
Your PR is a big fail. Christianity has a well justified reputation as a death cult that is okay with child rape, genocide and war.
That's not true. Christianity is the religion of communion. We believe in Paradise, the land of abundance and unity.
You are an example of why I have to be here.
Really, never read about the history of Christianity! There is the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the genocide of the Catharsis, the purges of the Jews, the residential schools, etc.
You haven't provided any examples or proof of anything, just unfounded claims.
Then you're wasting your time. The regulars here (including myself) aren't having any, not of "PR damage control" or the simplistic BS which is the "he gets us" campaign.
You can go peddle your papers elsewhere. I seriously doubt you'll get any sales here.
It's also in your best interest to stop the grift.
But you prefer to have Christianity discrediting through hasty generalizations instead of admitting that modern Christian nationalism is just capitalism in Bible drag.
Even Kyle Kulinski knows that this form of Christianity is a grift and many leftists know but some small segment are committed to spreading lies because the pretentious examples of Christian identity are useful to try to discredit Christianity entirely.
Grift? Calling a spade a spade is a grift? Christianity lately has done such a great job of discrediting itself that we hardly need to throw in our $0.02 worth. We DO opine for multiple reasons, not the least of which is to point out the multiple contradictions and general bullshit which comprise the bible and the too many belief systems built on it.
Far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a grift because it is built on myth and superstition instead of fact and evidence and because it is used for manipulation and control. If you wish to practice it, go ahead. Do not think for one second that we will give it any consideration, never mind endorsement.
There is no hell, no sins, no god.
If there is a hell and a satan, why is your god too weak of a cuck to defeat it?
I would be interested in knowing what their methodology was in determining Jesus ‘gets us’, because I certainly don’t see any evidence for it. Christianity has had centuries to get its message out, and all it has ever accomplished is the creation of the most factionalized religion on the planet. A process that has had horrific consequences for humanity. If Jesus wants to talk to me, he can show up any time he wants and do so. In the meantime I have no patience for the people presuming to speak on his behalf, as they do not come close to presenting a consistent message.
Christianity is the most moral religion and morality is always vulnerable to attacks.
Christianity fragmented because of pride and greed.
To fix it will require a revolution.
Really, every religion makes that claim, are they as moral or more moral than your religion!
Your little talking points are unsubstantiated. Here's one of mine: Islam* is the most moral religion and is therefore vulnerable to attacks.
* Can be replaced by Jewdeism, Bhudism, Hinduism, Satanism, etc.
You should familiarize yourself with the history of what Christians, acting in the name of Christianity, have done to their fellow Christians.
You should study the lives of the Saints as positive examples of Christian life
I don’t need religion of any sort to be moral!
Religion and morality are two different beasts.
To paraphrase A.B. Potts, “I don’t have a problem with Jesus, it’s His fan club I can’t stand…“
Frankly, I have all sorts of problems with Jesus, from his "I come not to bring peace but a sword" to the threat of hell he introduced to the world. I have a problem with his assertion that salvation is based on BELIEF rather on FACT and that the spreading of his word has come at the price of so many millions of lives, and that's just scratching the surface.
Potts can be okay with Jesus all she wants. Doesn't mean I have to be, too.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑑𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑠𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 “𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒.” 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚.
Every accusation is a confession taken to new heights. Their attempt at accentuating the positives even highlights their horrible track record.
Christianity track record is very bad when it comes to people that are different from having different views on Christianity itself to Christianity interactions with other religions to Christianity’s view on people’s behaviour, etc.
Of course, there is a small matter of proving existence of their deity; 2000 years and still no actual concrete evidence has been presented!
Racism is ethnophyletism which threatens the indivisible Church with fragmentation and elevates race above faith and communion with God and through Christ with each other.
All racist Christians are christopretenders.
They're just pretending to be Christian.
Did i just hear bagpipes?
More bullshit. If you want to be taken seriously here, you'll have to prove the existence of your imaginary friend first.
I'm just clarifying Christian philosophy and beliefs. I'm not here to proselytize.
Really? Cause I think you are a poor liar.
Just curious, what part of "sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor" makes people think Jesus would appreciate spending 700,000,000 dollars on a marketing campaign?
That money could fund quite a few food banks to the end of the year. It could really help out the ACLU and immigrant's rights groups right about now. It could help lobby the government to change how immigrants are treated, how we treat prisoners in sub-humane conditions. It could pay off medical debt. It could adopt a lot of orphans. Fund afterschool programs for kids who need a safe place to go.
Look, I know I only have a handful of "approved" books to go off of here, but I feel like the apocalyptic preaching rabbi Jesus of Nazareth that a majority of scholars think existed would really hate everything about our Imperial and consumerist culture and wasting your money on trying to make converts and turning them into twice the sons of Hell that you are.
Well, obviously you mean the teachings of Regular Jesus. These guys follow Republican Jesus, remember 🙄😉
Even Jesus said "Don't sell that oil, give me a foot rub!"
He Gets Us is an outward-facing solution to an inward problem. That's why these ads don't land. They literally point out the all the reasons people are walking away from christianity, especially the wasting of multi-millions of dollars on high-profile ads, ADS!, when 'god's people' can't afford groceries. Own goal, christians. Keep up the good work. 😂
Why are these christian groups spending so much money on something with negligible impact? Why isn't this money being spent on charities that actually do good in the world and have an impact? This is no different than a politician spending millions of dollars on a losing campaign, instead of channeling that money into something worthwhile.
It would require actually giving a damn about people other than themselves. This is just performative nonsense to make them look good.
it’s also a grift. Some of that money is buying ad spots, sure, but the rest of it is justifying “nonprofit” foundations that don’t do anything useful, paying marketing agencies that peddle hate, etc., etc., year after year. It supports their own infrastructure. But they get to tell themselves they’re doing “important outreach” and pat themselves on the back.
"Performative nonsense." Says it all in two words.
If the Christian fascist put that money in actual charities that help people, then in the mind of these fuckwits the “wrong” people might get help (people that the Christian hate such as atheists, gays, muslims, etc.).
Spending this money is a bit like prayer. It’s not for the benefit of the other people, but for the benefit of the people praying or the people spending the money.
Prayer is what you do when you don’t want to do anything but don’t want to get called out for it. Spending $700 million is what you do when you don’t want to be whom you claim to be in the world but don’t want to get called out for it.
I think the advertisement should have been about calling out christopretenders but then it will be too controversial and may even receive defamation lawsuits because calling people in power fake Christians in front of millions of people is dangerous but as Christians we have to be willing to be Martyrs for the truth. That being said would the court ever hear a case where true Christians cite the Bible and Christian sources to prove the sincerity of their religion and the pretension of someone else who sues them from defamation? Or is anyone who calls themselves Christian legally a Christian in America?
There's a lot of legal fiction in America for just a satanic temple getting religious protection status even though they claim to be atheist.
Here you go, showing your ass again.
The Satanic Temple are atheists, they don’t believe in a literal Satan, and they never claimed to. Nor do they worship Satan or use him in any way that would belie their atheism. They use Satan as a tool to protect the separation of church and state, which is not a legal fiction.
I managed to avoid these clueless ads by listening to the proceedings on the radio instead of watching on a TV I don't own. I got the better end of the bargain (especially that sweet outcome at the end).
Jesus gets us? Jesus doesn't exist and never did. If he ever did exist, he left no imprint on the world and changed nothing.
A god that needs his cult to spend outrageous sums of money on lame ads promoting its brand, instead of helping the poor, feeding the hungry and curing the sick, says not worthy of worship, impotent and weak. It also says imaginary because an allegedly impotent being could simply show itself and ask for followers to worship it.
Critical thinking skills are something xtians don't possess and clearly are unable to develop.
Of course critical thinking is foreign to believers. Were they to develop such skills, they wouldn't be believers for very bloody long!
My most important takeaway: "A good product that already has widespread usage shouldn’t need a marketing campaign at all...... Marketing Jesus comes with an inherent flaw: Most of the people using the product aren’t worth admiring."
So true.
The thing is, religion (Christianity especially, and the evangelical sects are the most obnoxious about it) is a MLM scam. It’s all marketing/advertising. There’s no real product, folks buy in and become brainwashed then they go out to sell it to others. MLM scams like Amway and even Mary Kay use religious tactics to sell their brands. Amway is practically a Christian sect itself and run by uber religious people. They use a lot of religious rituals to get the people to buy in, they talk like preachers at meetings and use similar words and phrases.
Religion can’t work if the people aren’t all selling it, not a product but be part of the brand.
Further Thought: Does Jesus "get" an atheist? Does he have the slightest inkling of WHY I and others like me suspect that he and his daddy have never had any palpable existence and why we find the messages he promoted more than a little disingenuous? I wonder if he would have any thought to my attitude that this campaign of his strikes me as foolish and simplistic.
And I can't escape the feeling that the answer to all of the above questions is a resounding "NO."
"He [the mythical J-man] told fish stories to fishermen."
You know what a fish story is?
"A fish story is a boastful and improbable tale; a tall tale; a big grandiose story unlikely to be true."
https://www.idioms.online/fish-story/
Seems about right.
I never trust folks who do this type of marketing. Tell farmer stories to farmers, fish stories to fishermen, stonecutter stories to stonecutters, parenting stories to parents, all the while not being any one of those things. He wasn’t even a carpenter. It’s just another way of grifters to tell their marks what they want to hear, not what is real, true, or useful.
If he was a carpenter...
And you were a lady...
We are busy busy busy with our move and I just woke up. So I may be brief, or I may not.
Christian apologetics are not so much intended to convince non-believers as they are intended to convince believers. That, I think, it is the biggest fault with the “he gets us”. Well, there are other others. But this is a problem. This is apologetics through and through.
And it’s also piles of lies. And you can’t spell piles without lies. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that piles is an old euphemism for Hemorrhoids, which leads us to the subject of assholes and hurt.
Have you ever been bullied? Oh yes, I was bullied as a child as the obviously gay kid as the obvious Jewish kid as the obviously weird kid. But mostly as the gay kid. As an adult, I’ve watched Christian bullies spend millions and billions of dollars to exclude me from society, projecting all of their sins onto me, especially the sins of child molestation. The vast majority of child molestation occur occurs within the holy heterosexual family. And every year, in my newsfeed, there are as many as 500 professional Christians arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for their sex crimes against children, often women, and occasionally men. And yet, they revival and slander gay people, trenched gender people, gender dysphoric people, and drag queens. And I have mentioned many times, the very same passage in Corinthians that they used to condemn gay people also contempt people who revile and slander.
Jesus was a refugee? One small story in one place in the Bible about the flight into Egypt is, what I assume they are using to justify the egregious lie. But he came back, and had no problem wandering all over the place. There weren’t any ice bullies to send Jesus back to Egypt.
Jesus fought Sytems of oppression? No, he did not. In fact, that’s pretty much the reason why the people dropped him because he wasn’t the promised to Messiah. And he himself said his kingdom was not of this world. He did nothing against the Romans. In fact, when pilate asked him if he was the king of the Jews,jesus said neither yes nor no.
Jesus said give away all that you have and follow me, not collect enough money that you can donate $700 million to an ad campaign while people starve.
I find it ironic that in a sense – no offense intended, Hemant— Hemant’s essay is it kind of apologetics for the anti-Dominionism shared by everybody here. His essay is not going to convince us because we’re already convinced. It’s not going to convince true believers, either.
He is also shooting for the movable middle.
But the difference is, Hemant isn’t spending $700 million.
You are not wise.
We are in the world but not of the world.
Worldly people abandoned Christ.
That's how it went.
Can’t abandoned something you can’t prove exist!
"What if Jesus shows us how to find it?"
I guess he would have to exist for that to happen. Seems like an insurmountable problem that xtian cultists still seem unable to grasp.
Jesus’ daddy had trouble locating Adam in his own Garden.
I would ask Mary before Jesus. Everyone knows mom can find anything, kids and hubs all have end of nose blindness.
It's a foregone failure because like a double scoop of fresh steaming shit there is nothing that extra jayzuz sauce doesn't make worse.