We know. Their idea of Jesus is just like them. A vengeful bigot who hates everyone who doesn't fit into their narrow little boxes. It is not surprising that this ad campaign is funded by Hobby Lobby money. The only surprising thing is that Dan Cathy of Bigot Bird isn't on the list.
Sin is imaginary bullshit, bigot. Also alleged straight guys that spend their days worrying about what other men do with their genitalia says more about you than them.
Their is no coercion except by xtians. Gay people don't come to my door trying to convert me to their xtian cult.
The LGBTQ people aren’t asking you to accept them, just stop killing them. Christians have murdered LGBTQ people for as long as Christian’s have existed. They also bully LGBTQ people into suicide, remove basic human needs from their reach, and are actively undermining LGBTQ people’s humanity. But sure, you being called a bigot is the problem we should focus on. Fuck off.
If your goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying turd doesn’t like me, then why doesn’t your goddybitch get off his golden throne and come smite me himself! Goddybitch can send that worthless lazy BASTARD son of his to smite me! Don’t send the flying turd, I will just shoot it!
So, what are you going to do about it! I resent Christians pushing their mythology on me! If you want to believe in myths, fine, just keep it to your self!
I don’t hate Christianity, asshole. I hate bigots who hide behind religious belief. In fact, even though I I am an atheist of life long standing, a Christian minister who was a friend married us. My oldest friend in the world is an evangelical Christian, and he has absolutely no issue with my being gay.
I don’t resent christians. I resent assholes who hide behind religious belief. Did I say that already? What I hate is not who you are but what you do. In that, I’m just like what you pretend to be, am I not?The harm you cause innocent people, the smugness of your smile, the vileness of your intentions, your complete lack of moral consistency, your assumption that your God is fine with you and doesn’t like me. Did he tell you that himself, or did you pull on your big boy pants and figure it out all by yourself?
I thought it as us women that got too uppity for bigots, especially those two that DARED to run for president? One by having enhanced melanin, as well as lady plumbing!
You know, you are really full of shit. Poor oppressed and persecuted you. So put upon by the very existence of gay people. You sound like a very weak and frightened man.
No one is demanding that you do anything except stop mistreating us under color of law, stop denying us participation in society, stop demonizing us, stop reviling and slandering us. You didn’t have to affirm anything other than our right to live free of your vile and spiteful opinions…
…Being enacted into law.
You gave us a chance? No you didn’t give us a chance, not until you were forced to by law and public opinion. And if you had your way, we would be returning to sodomy laws, lack of legal protection for our lives and loves, and encouraged into lives of furtiveness and despair.
And that’s the part that you hate the most, isn’t it? You can no longer be a vile, hateful bigot and expect to get public support for it.
Every once in a while, I manage to forget the literal centuries and millennia of the hatred and despite visited upon gay people for the crimes of existing end of being different. Fortunately, there was someone like you to remind me of what hides behind “sincere religious belief.”
That's one of things they mean by MAGA. "Great again" to them means death to LGBTQ persons, forced birth for uppity women, and death or slavery for POC. And the right to molest young children as long as it is by a leader in their hate-church.
Yep. Used to work with a trans person. She would use the women's restroom. Guess what? I didn't care. Why? Because she was there to use the restroom just like I was. She also gave me toilet paper when my stall didn't have any.
I can't be having this anti-trans crap. Basically, if you don't like trans, then don't be trans. But you should still be respectful of trans people, because they are people.
Is that really too much to ask for? Some basic respect, some basic decency? Just like that other discussion the other day, about the teacher who insisted on her power to be beastly to her students.
Addendum - I have used the gents when the situation required it.
One such occasion was at a motorway services in northern Spain, where the ladies had a sign that they were out of order and that we should use the gents. We did.
I've used the men's restroom a few times when the women's is occupied at my workplace. It was a 1 person restroom and still wasn't the end of the world.
When did you make a reasoned, deliberate choice to be straight?
Can you choose to be gay for a while? Not just going through the motions and having hot, sweaty, throbbing, man on man sex, but to actually be gay? Just to make sure you didn't choose poorly?
You don't have to be gay or bisexual to support LGBTQ people; you just have to have an actual functioning heart. But you're a Christian so you can't understand that.
So happy for you that you chose to be and stay straight. But, how come the LGBTQ community doesn't get a choice? And, are you really choosing anything? Is it hard for you to remain straight? If so, do you have any urges to become gay? If not, is it really a choice then? And if it's not really your choice, why do think that the LGBTQ community is making choices to be who they are? I'm really confused man. And I think you are, too.
Hold on ... these days I am not much of a christian (not that I ever was a Christian) but even I know that Jesus' mentioning of trans people is exactly zero.
His mentioning of being nice to people is far more common, so if you claim to be following in Jesus' footsteps, you should be in favour of inclusive policies.
It's not a good look that you consider a request to be civil to people 'coercion'!
Nobody is forcing you to become gay or anything else. Non Christians just want the same Human Rights and civil Liberties as you.
Do you consider atheists and gays to be human and deserve Human Rights and Civil Liberties? YES OR NO SIMPLE QUESTION! Answer it if you have the courage to do so!
Sure didn't take long for 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 mask to slip, did it- 𝒃𝒊𝒈𝒐𝒕?
Show me where, in those gospels of yours, chapter and verse, your Jesus mentions anyone under the LGBTQ+ umbrella in a negative light. Please. I'd say I'll wait, but I don't have two or three eternities to spare while you look for something that isn't there.
"Religion of love," my left foot.
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- And I see we've discovered how to self-upvote! Are we going for Trollski Bingo here or something?
Oh, you're SO persecuted! O the coercion! Oh, poor you! If there's one thing Christians so desperately yearn to be it's victimized, and your privileged entitled asses will never pull it off.
What you are is SO doubly fucked, ya bigot - you don't live by any "Christian standard" except one developed over 300 years after Paul - a closeted misogynist prone to psychotic episodes and anger issues who never met your wannabe messiah - got a bunch of gullible Gentiles to believe his stories only after he shit-canned a major portion of Jesus's teachings because he knew they wouldn't willingly be circumcised and follow the dietary laws.
Prattle all you want about "sin," here's where your ignorant cherry-picking ass learns that Jesus didn't say one mumbling word about abortion, for the very good reason that there was NO proscription against it in a law code that so exhaustive that every type of killing, murder, manslaughter and smiting is listed and given a punushment. FFS, there's even a specific punishment for having a three-way with your mother-in-law. That's because in *the Law that he claimed he didn't come to abolish* a fetus isn't alive until its head exits its mother's body at birth to take its first breath. It's why there was no exemption for pregnancy for women who were sentenced to be executed - a fetus wasn't a life. Oops.
Your choices are that Jesus was a fucking liar, your omniscient God who's also Jesus is fucking absent-minded and totally forgot about abortion, or the former was worm food and the latter doesn't exist. Fuck off and take years figuring it out.
“I don't support LGBTQ which is why I choose to be and stay straight.”
I missed that comment. gawd I don’t believe in, you people simply cannot help yourselves. Are you one of those homo-hating homos? You must be, because in the entirety of my 75 years, I have met only two people who said they chose to be gay or chose to be straight. One of them was stupid, the other was a liar.
What they meant was that they were bisexual. And that is clearly the case with you.
And once again, you can’t help but prove that homo hating homos are the worst people on earth/
I think that gays would be thrilled if we conservative Christians just left them alone. If we are to love our neighbors then there's no reason to go after them. Paul wrote that it wasn't our business to judge those who are outside our faith.
Jesus confronted racism with love. Jesus was a refugee. Jesus fought off systems of oppression.
And Jesus threatens all of us with HELL. Ain't he just a swell fella.
The whole "he gets us" crap amounts to very little more than a phenomenal waste of money. The $100 million that The Servant Christian Foundation is spending could have been used to feed and clothe people who need either or both, or perhaps provide housing for the homeless ... but nope. They'd rather thumb their nose at Matthew 6:5-6 and tell everyone how neat their supposed savior is.
And the message apparently isn't selling well. Whoda thunk it? 😝
Jesus confronted racism with love. Where? The only example in the gospels is his dealings with the Samaritan woman, where he helped her, but still showed contempt. Jesus was a refugee. So? Did that make him advocate for other refugees? If I remember correctly, he was a refugee as an infant due to some royal dude wanting the baby killed. Jesus fought off systems of oppression? Not really. Sure, he spoke against Rome, but only to push for his own system of oppression.
The message isn't selling well because people can look past the surface platitudes and find the fascism underneath.
He wasn’t a refugee. The flight to Egypt was found only in Matthew.
Luke tells a very different story. A story of Joseph and Mary merely presenting Jesus in the temple according their beliefs and laws and then taking Jesus home. No flight to Egypt was mentioned and there was no reason for one.
Matthew was writing for a specifically Jewish audience, and a lot of Matthew is explaining how the coming of Jesus fulfilled all kinds of Old Testament prophecies. The Messiah was specifically supposed to come from Bethlehem, but everyone knew Jesus was from Nazareth. So they concoct a story sending him to Bethlehem to be born. And then there was a prophecy that said the Messiah would have to come from Egypt. So they had to work that in somehow.
Hell, Jesus dissed his own mother, fer petesake. Jesus would be lucky to get ANYTHING of the 21st century ... but then, being that he is an invention without substance, that should surprise no one.
And, despite all the money they have burned through, the church parking lots here in the Bible Belt remain ‘underutilized’… I keep expecting the Evilgelicals to announce they reject those ‘false gospels’ in their inerrant Bible and that they have found a copy of the true gospel of rethuglican Jeebus. New, updated Bible coming right up.
Paul, that fucking misogynist dude. He definitely came across as a closet case that line about not wasting your seed on a woman, doesn't come off that way at all!/s
We are not in the habit of hating things that don't exist. We DO have a problem with the promotion of baseless belief systems which have been taken to absurd extremes, mostly in the service of people controlling other people. Right now, that is too much of what Christianity is in spades.
I have no reason to believe ANY religion. Thus, I subscribe to NONE OF THEM. I am an atheist, and I do not blink when I say so.
Funny how this divine chum of yours who's supposedly still around keeping tabs on things stopped preventing his followers from doing evil in his name the instant he kicked off, innit?
That was my first reaction, too, that that money could have been much better spend on support for needy people. Such as providing food for hungry people (i.e. not cutting food stamps), caring for ill people (i.e. not cutting healthcare), housing the homeless (i.e. not cutting housing support, I think you call them Section 8??) and that is before we get to Jesus' teaching about looking after strangers. I don't think he considered putting people into detention centres in Texas 'looking after'.
Whoop-whoop. Until there is hard evidence to support the existence of either place, my disdain for both, as well as the religion that espouses them, continues unabated.
Really, never read about the history of Christianity! There is the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the genocide of the Catharsis, the purges of the Jews, the residential schools, etc.
Um, when the communion is done by symbolically, or in some cases literally, eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a dead man, you are in a death cult. You are really bad at PR.
Ah yes, abundance and unity. Two things your deity could easily provide to all of humanity, since he's omnipotent and all that. Y'know, to actually 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 all that worship he demands?
Look, I don't know you, but right now? You're coming off as smug, superior, and a bit jerkish.
Christianity has thousands of different branches, so claiming unity is dubious at best. I have no idea what you mean by communication, but if this is your attempt to convince folk here to convert to Christianity my advice would be to take a step back and read the room a bit better. This isn't doing you any favors.
Then you're wasting your time. The regulars here (including myself) aren't having any, not of "PR damage control" or the simplistic BS which is the "he gets us" campaign.
You can go peddle your papers elsewhere. I seriously doubt you'll get any sales here.
Grift? Calling a spade a spade is a grift? Christianity lately has done such a great job of discrediting itself that we hardly need to throw in our $0.02 worth. We DO opine for multiple reasons, not the least of which is to point out the multiple contradictions and general bullshit which comprise the bible and the too many belief systems built on it.
Far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a grift because it is built on myth and superstition instead of fact and evidence and because it is used for manipulation and control. If you wish to practice it, go ahead. Do not think for one second that we will give it any consideration, never mind endorsement.
You've got 'I am a real christian' in your profile and you've come here to a forum called 'Friendly Atheist'. Either you want to proselytise or shit-stir.
I would be interested in knowing what their methodology was in determining Jesus ‘gets us’, because I certainly don’t see any evidence for it. Christianity has had centuries to get its message out, and all it has ever accomplished is the creation of the most factionalized religion on the planet. A process that has had horrific consequences for humanity. If Jesus wants to talk to me, he can show up any time he wants and do so. In the meantime I have no patience for the people presuming to speak on his behalf, as they do not come close to presenting a consistent message.
Saints like the Ghoul of Kolkata, that most odious and sadistic penguin, Mother Teresa? The one who denied patients in her charge even the tiniest amount of palliative care as they lay dying in agony, because she believed that their suffering was holy, then when she herself took ill spent millions of dollars jet-setting around the world for the best medicine other peoples' money could buy?
No kidding, if he is only moral because of the threat of hell or being rewarded by enter his imaginary heaven. Well, you know where I am going with this!
When most of the attacks on the morality of a religion come from the evil words and deeds of its clergy, perhaps it might be worth considering that the religion itself may not be the bastion of morality you think it is.
There is NOTHING moral about infinite punishment for finite transgressions, and all the fancy dancing you and others like you try to do to justify an afterlife of eternal punishment only makes Christianity look WORSE.
On top of that, punishment is generally used to CORRECT BEHAVIOR, but being that a residency in hell is PERMANENT, where is the chance to exercise that correction. The concept of hell, so far as I'm concerned, is nothing more than SADISM.
Frankly, I have all sorts of problems with Jesus, from his "I come not to bring peace but a sword" to the threat of hell he introduced to the world. I have a problem with his assertion that salvation is based on BELIEF rather on FACT and that the spreading of his word has come at the price of so many millions of lives, and that's just scratching the surface.
Potts can be okay with Jesus all she wants. Doesn't mean I have to be, too.
Christianity track record is very bad when it comes to people that are different from having different views on Christianity itself to Christianity interactions with other religions to Christianity’s view on people’s behaviour, etc.
Of course, there is a small matter of proving existence of their deity; 2000 years and still no actual concrete evidence has been presented!
Proceeds to proselytize. Any PR damage control you try is literally trying to convince us we should believe you. And your base presumption we need to believe is that Jesus died for us. That’s proselytizing. Full stop. Pretending that the “bad Christians” aren’t actually Christians is more proselytizing, by pretending there are no bad Christians because only the good Christians count.
You obviously think we are stupid. But you just keep showing us your ass. It ain’t pretty, put it away.
Christianity exists on a huge spectrum, so unless you disavow all the other Christian sects, we don't know which one you think you are presenting. (Except, you mention saints which are probably Catholic or Orthodox. You realize Protestants don't pray to saints, and consider it praying to other gods?) So no, You're not sharing coherent philosophy OR actual, factual events.
Oh, the old "TRUE CHRISTIAN' fallacy. Attempting to determine who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled a river of blood. Naturally, the big guy couldn't be troubled to step in and clear things up. Probably too preoccupied with the impure thougts of young boys. Any failure of Christianity can be written off as the work product of people who weren't 'true' Christians. It's a get out of jail free card.
Why are these christian groups spending so much money on something with negligible impact? Why isn't this money being spent on charities that actually do good in the world and have an impact? This is no different than a politician spending millions of dollars on a losing campaign, instead of channeling that money into something worthwhile.
it’s also a grift. Some of that money is buying ad spots, sure, but the rest of it is justifying “nonprofit” foundations that don’t do anything useful, paying marketing agencies that peddle hate, etc., etc., year after year. It supports their own infrastructure. But they get to tell themselves they’re doing “important outreach” and pat themselves on the back.
I did. I read it all and all that misogyny, incest, and sanctioned violence made me dislike it. I see nothing in it for women, unless you have a submissive kink.
If the Christian fascist put that money in actual charities that help people, then in the mind of these fuckwits the “wrong” people might get help (people that the Christian hate such as atheists, gays, muslims, etc.).
Really, the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the purges of Jews, residential schools are done by Christians! I have history to back me up, as for the U.S.S.R religion was never totally banned in that country, but strictly controlled. The Holocaust was done by Christians with the full backing of the church! Atheists and gays also died in the camps as well as Jews!
Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the messiah, where do they fit in, how about Hinduism which is older than Christianity.
Spending this money is a bit like prayer. It’s not for the benefit of the other people, but for the benefit of the people praying or the people spending the money.
Prayer is what you do when you don’t want to do anything but don’t want to get called out for it. Spending $700 million is what you do when you don’t want to be whom you claim to be in the world but don’t want to get called out for it.
The Satanic Temple are atheists, they don’t believe in a literal Satan, and they never claimed to. Nor do they worship Satan or use him in any way that would belie their atheism. They use Satan as a tool to protect the separation of church and state, which is not a legal fiction.
So it is legal fiction to allow people to have different beliefs under religious freedom? So, people who don’t believe in a god or religion aren’t protected under the constitution? Do you hear yourself? Good faith dialogue my ass.
Yes, in fact, all those who call themselves Christian 𝘢𝘳𝘦 legally Christians. There exists no reasonable metric by which to grade their Christian-ness, so self-identification is the standard- not just in this country, but everywhere. You put your name on the list, you're on the list. That is, indeed, how it works, as far as the law is concerned.
If, on the other hand, we tested you guys on how rigidly you adhere to (or how well you even know) your holy book, I doubt there'd be a Christian alive on the whole of the Earth... but that's neither here nor there.
Because they’re not all the same? The groups that do charity work are not the groups that pay for this slop. The people pushing for the He Get Us ads have entirely different doctrines and have been opposed by other Christians. Their initial Instagram posts were overrun with Christians calling them out both for their weird messaging and for their unbiblical claims. I even confronted them about it, asking questions that are essential to the faith, primarily their perception of the gospel message and how it’s portrayed. They not only didn’t stop but doubled down. They’re arguably not even Christian because even what they say about Christ undermines basic Christian teachings.
The real irony is that they’re backed by Relevant magazine, which is a progressive Christian publication. So they’ve hit the uncanny valley of being hated by non-Christians for being too conservative and by evangelicals and more orthodox Christians for being too liberal. Literally nobody likes them except for other progressive Christians.
Just curious, what part of "sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor" makes people think Jesus would appreciate spending 700,000,000 dollars on a marketing campaign?
That money could fund quite a few food banks to the end of the year. It could really help out the ACLU and immigrant's rights groups right about now. It could help lobby the government to change how immigrants are treated, how we treat prisoners in sub-humane conditions. It could pay off medical debt. It could adopt a lot of orphans. Fund afterschool programs for kids who need a safe place to go.
Look, I know I only have a handful of "approved" books to go off of here, but I feel like the apocalyptic preaching rabbi Jesus of Nazareth that a majority of scholars think existed would really hate everything about our Imperial and consumerist culture and wasting your money on trying to make converts and turning them into twice the sons of Hell that you are.
He Gets Us is an outward-facing solution to an inward problem. That's why these ads don't land. They literally point out the all the reasons people are walking away from christianity, especially the wasting of multi-millions of dollars on high-profile ads, ADS!, when 'god's people' can't afford groceries. Own goal, christians. Keep up the good work. 😂
I managed to avoid these clueless ads by listening to the proceedings on the radio instead of watching on a TV I don't own. I got the better end of the bargain (especially that sweet outcome at the end).
Jesus gets us? Jesus doesn't exist and never did. If he ever did exist, he left no imprint on the world and changed nothing.
My most important takeaway: "A good product that already has widespread usage shouldn’t need a marketing campaign at all...... Marketing Jesus comes with an inherent flaw: Most of the people using the product aren’t worth admiring."
The thing is, religion (Christianity especially, and the evangelical sects are the most obnoxious about it) is a MLM scam. It’s all marketing/advertising. There’s no real product, folks buy in and become brainwashed then they go out to sell it to others. MLM scams like Amway and even Mary Kay use religious tactics to sell their brands. Amway is practically a Christian sect itself and run by uber religious people. They use a lot of religious rituals to get the people to buy in, they talk like preachers at meetings and use similar words and phrases.
Religion can’t work if the people aren’t all selling it, not a product but be part of the brand.
We are busy busy busy with our move and I just woke up. So I may be brief, or I may not.
Christian apologetics are not so much intended to convince non-believers as they are intended to convince believers. That, I think, it is the biggest fault with the “he gets us”. Well, there are other others. But this is a problem. This is apologetics through and through.
And it’s also piles of lies. And you can’t spell piles without lies. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that piles is an old euphemism for Hemorrhoids, which leads us to the subject of assholes and hurt.
Have you ever been bullied? Oh yes, I was bullied as a child as the obviously gay kid as the obvious Jewish kid as the obviously weird kid. But mostly as the gay kid. As an adult, I’ve watched Christian bullies spend millions and billions of dollars to exclude me from society, projecting all of their sins onto me, especially the sins of child molestation. The vast majority of child molestation occurs within the holy heterosexual family. And every year, in my newsfeed, there are as many as 500 professional Christians arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for their sex crimes against children, often women, and occasionally men. And yet, they revile and slander gay people, transgender people, gender dysphoric people, and drag queens. And as I have mentioned many times, the very same passage in Corinthians that they used to condemn gay people also condemns people who revile and slander.
Jesus was a refugee? One small story in one place in the Bible about the flight into Egypt is, what I assume they are using to justify the egregious lie. But he came back, and had no problem wandering all over the place. There weren’t any ice bullies to send Jesus back to Egypt.
Jesus fought Sytems of oppression? No, he did not. In fact, that’s pretty much the reason why the people dropped him because he wasn’t the promised to Messiah. And he himself said his kingdom was not of this world. He did nothing against the Romans. In fact, when pilate asked him if he was the king of the Jews, jesus said neither yes nor no. The Paul did say to obey the civil authorities, and that’s repeated many times in the Bible.
Jesus said give away all that you have and follow me, not collect enough money that you can donate $700 million to an ad campaign while people starve.
I find it ironic that in a sense – no offense intended, Hemant— Hemant’s essay isa kind of apologetics for the anti-Dominionism shared by everybody here. His essay is not going to convince us because we’re already convinced. It’s not going to convince true believers, either.
He is also shooting for the movable middle.
But the difference is, Hemant isn’t spending $700 million.
Of course you are both in the world and of the world. There is no one righteous, no not one. There is no true christianity, or pure christianity. You need only look at the churches, the immense wealth, the sumptuous robes, the video shows, the never ending quest for political power, the never ending culture wars The never ending financial and sexual scandals. The coverups for both.
Ot you can just look at the 700 million they are spending on an ad campaign. How many starving children does it take to justify that?
You are all of you neck deep in the world. But you need to tell yourself you are not.
A god that needs his cult to spend outrageous sums of money on lame ads promoting its brand, instead of helping the poor, feeding the hungry and curing the sick, says not worthy of worship, impotent and weak. It also says imaginary because an allegedly impotent being could simply show itself and ask for followers to worship it.
Critical thinking skills are something xtians don't possess and clearly are unable to develop.
Further Thought: Does Jesus "get" an atheist? Does he have the slightest inkling of WHY I and others like me suspect that he and his daddy have never had any palpable existence and why we find the messages he promoted more than a little disingenuous? I wonder if he would have any thought to my attitude that this campaign of his strikes me as foolish and simplistic.
And I can't escape the feeling that the answer to all of the above questions is a resounding "NO."
It seems he having a real crisis of faith, since what was in the article rings too true for him, he has to push his beliefs on us to feel comfortable again.
To tell atheists (most of whom have been xtians) what they need to do and believe is almost comedic but also sad that his worldview is so stunted that he thinks his assertions will somehow whip us back in line to become mindless devotees of the death cult based on the posts of some rando.
He's like the Christstain standing on the street corner with a megaphone. Do they really believe there are people around who haven't heard it all before? Does anyone ever stop on the sidewalk in front of them and yell, "Yes, brother! NOW I believe in Jesus because you told me about him."?
It's mildly amusing when someone is so lacking in awareness that they don't realize that most atheists were xtians or adherents to some other cult at one time and that sin is an imaginary disease invented by grifters to sell the gullible an imaginary cure.
I think, like most of the xtians that show up here, he is so deeply immersed in the cult programming that he feels that it should be self evident to all that his beliefs are correct. Xtians seldom grasp the concept of burden of proof.
Then why are you here? We aren’t pretending to be Christians, we don’t need your no true Scotsman drivel. If you don’t like the reputation Christians have, or you don’t like the way Christians are being presented in these ads or who are promoting g these ads, take it up with the people running the ads. We don’t care. We can’t change the so called christopretensists, we aren’t involved. We just point and laugh when Christians show their true faces.
We don’t need your PR damage control, the damage to Christianity for us was done a long time ago, you coming here to tell us you’re great by calling us perverts and sinners isn’t going to make us like you. You’re just adding damage to your religion’s shitty reputation.
“But as a Christian I will always show love to non Christians”
Like you’ve shown us here? Calling us perverted, evil, fake Christians, inferior, and whatever else, wishing us to go to hell or eternal death whatever that is. That’s not love, that’s pretty fucking hateful. Your PR is backfiring, your complaining about our “hasty generalizations” only confirms our impressions of Christians. We don’t wish Christianity was anything other than impotent in our society. If you want to expose the grift expose it to people who will be moved by the exposure, we already know Christian’s are grifty, it’s the sheep in the pews you need to convince, not the atheists.
In regards to the LGBTQ lifestyle not living and let living your take is just asinine. “Yeah, we let you get married but blocked all the stuff you need to actually get married and now we are so mad that you tried to actually use your rights we are going to throw everyone’s rights away.” How many gay people made you perform homosexuality? Who made you do something you didn’t want to? Oh my god, someone asked you to use common fucking decency and call them by the name they prefer?!? How ever did you survive? People are dying from your religious hatred. But oh noes, you had to call a woman she even though she didn’t perform femininity up to your standards. Fuck you. You don’t know what struggle is. You don’t know what it’s like to be forced to comply. Just so’s you know, you are just as performative as all the other Christians you claim are christopretensive. Worse really.
“I think your worldview and lifestyle is inferior and you should just let me keep believing that unless you want to have dialogue in good faith”
Son, sit down, you have come into a space for atheists, that is welcoming to LGBTQ people and minorities and even progressive Christians, calling us names, accusing us of evil, pretending you Christian better than everyone else on the planet, then you demand we dialogue in good faith!?! We must let you keep believing we are unworthy of human rights, or as you say inferior, but we aren’t allowed to think you are brainwashed but still worthy. We didn’t ask you here. We didn’t ask for your opinion. We have told you we don’t want to hear your bad take multiple times. You are breaking the social contract here, not us. We don’t want a dialog because we didn’t come to you to tell you how to believe, you did that to us. You don’t get good faith conversation when you can’t be bothered to listen to the other side. You’re not considering our side, your mind is closed, you are the one lacking good faith. I don’t know how many ways we can tell you we don’t care what you think of us. I don’t know how else to tell you that you are not welcome here. So if having conversations here is difficult, L.E.A.V.E. BE GONE. SAYONARA, AUF WETDERSAIN, GOOD BYE.
I've got a saying that applies quite well to your brand of "love"- it goes "𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘤𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘩 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 '𝘣𝘶𝘵.'"
If your "love" comes with enough terms and conditions to make an entire corporate legal department have a mass fainting spell, it isn't really love at all. It's just hate dressed up in flowery purple prose.
News Bulletin: I can state the reason why I'm an atheist in two words: NO EVIDENCE. There is no evidence for any form of deity, whether we're talking about Yahweh and Satan, or Zeus, Hera, and Apollo, or Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. The supposed life of Jesus is highly questionable for multiple reasons, and what is recorded in the bible is sufficiently self-contradicting that it disqualifies itself.
This reality gives every indication to be run by the laws of physics and completely indifferent to what goes on in it ... including US. Jesus doesn't even enter the equation.
Personally, I REALLY like the part about "no contemporary sources." If all the shit he supposedly did actually HAPPENED, there would have been THOUSANDS of sources, and they'd likely be far more consistent than the gospels are!
The fact that there is nothing in contemporary sources probably means that there was no "Jesus" of any significance that would lead Philo or Josephus to mention them.
What it doesn't do is eliminate the possibility of an itinerant preacher from the apocalyptic tradition who was tried and executed at Passover., and just happened to be called Jesus. There's no evidence for that, but there again, there's little evidence of virtually anyone who isn't significant in the grand scheme of things.
Just be thankful it isn’t a picture of Trump getting it anally from a Russian bear! Hey, that could be the marble statute that Trump wanted to ERECTED to show the world who actually calls the SHOTS in the United States! 😳
If that doesn’t give you nightmares, then nothing will!
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Definition: The act of invoking Christian language, symbols, or identity for the sake of appearance, influence, or cultural signaling rather than genuine belief or practice.
This an atheist site. Christopretensism refers to people like Trump who pretend they’re Christian to obtain power.
You’re definitely in the wrong place. Try Truth Social. I’m sure you’ll get the reception you deserve.
Granted, he was writing about religions being propped up by 𝘨𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴, but... I'd argue that a god who needs to hire an 𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 for PR is even 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 pathetic.
𝐼𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑑, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑢𝑠. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑤ℎ𝑜 “𝑢𝑠” 𝑖𝑠.
We know. Their idea of Jesus is just like them. A vengeful bigot who hates everyone who doesn't fit into their narrow little boxes. It is not surprising that this ad campaign is funded by Hobby Lobby money. The only surprising thing is that Dan Cathy of Bigot Bird isn't on the list.
Hadn't heard "Bigot Bird" before - perfect!
Sin is imaginary bullshit, bigot. Also alleged straight guys that spend their days worrying about what other men do with their genitalia says more about you than them.
Their is no coercion except by xtians. Gay people don't come to my door trying to convert me to their xtian cult.
Did I mention? Fuck you, bigot.
“We gave homosexuality a chance in America”
How magnanimous of you.
The LGBTQ people aren’t asking you to accept them, just stop killing them. Christians have murdered LGBTQ people for as long as Christian’s have existed. They also bully LGBTQ people into suicide, remove basic human needs from their reach, and are actively undermining LGBTQ people’s humanity. But sure, you being called a bigot is the problem we should focus on. Fuck off.
I don't give a rat's ass whether you accept other people. In fact xtian bigots are the most intolerant assholes I've ever meet.
You sure do think about men having sex a lot. I bet your family knows about your Grindr account.
At the same time why don't you just accept that not everyone will accept you as a Christian?
Goes both ways bub.
If your goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying turd doesn’t like me, then why doesn’t your goddybitch get off his golden throne and come smite me himself! Goddybitch can send that worthless lazy BASTARD son of his to smite me! Don’t send the flying turd, I will just shoot it!
Most people here don’t hate christians. But several people here have had bad times from some of the things christians do “out of love” (yeah, really).
We just want to accept people as they are, without being forced into someone else’s shapes and sizes. Is that too much to ask?
So, what are you going to do about it! I resent Christians pushing their mythology on me! If you want to believe in myths, fine, just keep it to your self!
Why are you here? What's your point?
Talarico is accepting of people, so how will you spin that?
More pudding to occupy your pudding-hole. 💩
I don’t hate Christianity, asshole. I hate bigots who hide behind religious belief. In fact, even though I I am an atheist of life long standing, a Christian minister who was a friend married us. My oldest friend in the world is an evangelical Christian, and he has absolutely no issue with my being gay.
I don’t resent christians. I resent assholes who hide behind religious belief. Did I say that already? What I hate is not who you are but what you do. In that, I’m just like what you pretend to be, am I not?The harm you cause innocent people, the smugness of your smile, the vileness of your intentions, your complete lack of moral consistency, your assumption that your God is fine with you and doesn’t like me. Did he tell you that himself, or did you pull on your big boy pants and figure it out all by yourself?
Lemme just run that wordvomit through the 'ol Bullshit-to-English translator:
"𝘞𝘩𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘯'𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘴𝘧𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘱𝘴 𝘸𝘦'𝘷𝘦 𝘥𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘺𝘰𝘶?!"
Not sure that I can follow this reasoning? Trump got elected in 2016 because the gays got too uppity?
Really?
When your religion is Superiority Complex, the Others not knowing their place is considered “uppity”.
I thought it as us women that got too uppity for bigots, especially those two that DARED to run for president? One by having enhanced melanin, as well as lady plumbing!
You can accept others as they are or not, but shutting the fuck up about it is conducive to a life not plagued by shovel-face interaction sessions.
Have some more pudding. 💩
You know, you are really full of shit. Poor oppressed and persecuted you. So put upon by the very existence of gay people. You sound like a very weak and frightened man.
No one is demanding that you do anything except stop mistreating us under color of law, stop denying us participation in society, stop demonizing us, stop reviling and slandering us. You didn’t have to affirm anything other than our right to live free of your vile and spiteful opinions…
…Being enacted into law.
You gave us a chance? No you didn’t give us a chance, not until you were forced to by law and public opinion. And if you had your way, we would be returning to sodomy laws, lack of legal protection for our lives and loves, and encouraged into lives of furtiveness and despair.
And that’s the part that you hate the most, isn’t it? You can no longer be a vile, hateful bigot and expect to get public support for it.
Every once in a while, I manage to forget the literal centuries and millennia of the hatred and despite visited upon gay people for the crimes of existing end of being different. Fortunately, there was someone like you to remind me of what hides behind “sincere religious belief.”
If not outright killed for being gay or atheist for that matter!
That's one of things they mean by MAGA. "Great again" to them means death to LGBTQ persons, forced birth for uppity women, and death or slavery for POC. And the right to molest young children as long as it is by a leader in their hate-church.
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"WAAH, it's tolerant people like you that made me a Nazi!"
Whatever you needed to tell youself when you opened that Grindr account, slappy.
Bollocks.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi
No one is trying to turn you “gay”, people just want the same Human rights that you have,
But-but-but if everyone is “equal”, how can he be “superior”?
Good point!!
Fuck, no one wants a bigot in their group, except other hateful.
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Hilarious. No one is forcing LGBT down your throat. The LGBT just wants equal representation. Get over it.
And maybe to be able to go to the loo?
Yep. Used to work with a trans person. She would use the women's restroom. Guess what? I didn't care. Why? Because she was there to use the restroom just like I was. She also gave me toilet paper when my stall didn't have any.
I can't be having this anti-trans crap. Basically, if you don't like trans, then don't be trans. But you should still be respectful of trans people, because they are people.
Is that really too much to ask for? Some basic respect, some basic decency? Just like that other discussion the other day, about the teacher who insisted on her power to be beastly to her students.
And all of that in the name of Christ!
Eventually they will all need to be dragged kicking, and screaming, into this millennia.
Addendum - I have used the gents when the situation required it.
One such occasion was at a motorway services in northern Spain, where the ladies had a sign that they were out of order and that we should use the gents. We did.
Everyone survived!
I've used the men's restroom a few times when the women's is occupied at my workplace. It was a 1 person restroom and still wasn't the end of the world.
I think you got lost on your way to Xitter. Why don’t you pick up your baggage and ease on over there?
"I choose to be and stay straight."
When did you make a reasoned, deliberate choice to be straight?
Can you choose to be gay for a while? Not just going through the motions and having hot, sweaty, throbbing, man on man sex, but to actually be gay? Just to make sure you didn't choose poorly?
Lol, I wondered about that too. Choosing to “act” straight but secretly gay? 🤔
You don't have to be gay or bisexual to support LGBTQ people; you just have to have an actual functioning heart. But you're a Christian so you can't understand that.
So happy for you that you chose to be and stay straight. But, how come the LGBTQ community doesn't get a choice? And, are you really choosing anything? Is it hard for you to remain straight? If so, do you have any urges to become gay? If not, is it really a choice then? And if it's not really your choice, why do think that the LGBTQ community is making choices to be who they are? I'm really confused man. And I think you are, too.
Hold on ... these days I am not much of a christian (not that I ever was a Christian) but even I know that Jesus' mentioning of trans people is exactly zero.
His mentioning of being nice to people is far more common, so if you claim to be following in Jesus' footsteps, you should be in favour of inclusive policies.
It's not a good look that you consider a request to be civil to people 'coercion'!
Addendum: I haven't called you anything. Frankly, I don't need to call you anything. Your own words have outed you.
He talks about coercion. Nobody is forcing him to de-convert. switch religions, became atheist, etc.
Coercion is a tool of the religious.
“Why do childless people make being childless their whole identity?
Why do atheists make not believing in God their whole identity?”
They don’t.
That has to be the dumbest thing I'll read today, if not all week. They make us cartoon, one-dimensional cut outs, or absolute strawmen!.
Nobody is forcing you to become gay or anything else. Non Christians just want the same Human Rights and civil Liberties as you.
Do you consider atheists and gays to be human and deserve Human Rights and Civil Liberties? YES OR NO SIMPLE QUESTION! Answer it if you have the courage to do so!
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Sure didn't take long for 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 mask to slip, did it- 𝒃𝒊𝒈𝒐𝒕?
Show me where, in those gospels of yours, chapter and verse, your Jesus mentions anyone under the LGBTQ+ umbrella in a negative light. Please. I'd say I'll wait, but I don't have two or three eternities to spare while you look for something that isn't there.
"Religion of love," my left foot.
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- And I see we've discovered how to self-upvote! Are we going for Trollski Bingo here or something?
When I see one upvote for a troll, it’s guaranteed to be a self-own.
Especially one this site.
Jesus is just as real as leprechauns and the Tooth Fairy.
Here, you clearly need some pudding. 💩
People call you bigot because you are a bigot. Embrace your truth with pride, follower of Iron Age folktales.
Then why are you here, no one is interested in your fucking mythology!
Oh, you're SO persecuted! O the coercion! Oh, poor you! If there's one thing Christians so desperately yearn to be it's victimized, and your privileged entitled asses will never pull it off.
What you are is SO doubly fucked, ya bigot - you don't live by any "Christian standard" except one developed over 300 years after Paul - a closeted misogynist prone to psychotic episodes and anger issues who never met your wannabe messiah - got a bunch of gullible Gentiles to believe his stories only after he shit-canned a major portion of Jesus's teachings because he knew they wouldn't willingly be circumcised and follow the dietary laws.
Prattle all you want about "sin," here's where your ignorant cherry-picking ass learns that Jesus didn't say one mumbling word about abortion, for the very good reason that there was NO proscription against it in a law code that so exhaustive that every type of killing, murder, manslaughter and smiting is listed and given a punushment. FFS, there's even a specific punishment for having a three-way with your mother-in-law. That's because in *the Law that he claimed he didn't come to abolish* a fetus isn't alive until its head exits its mother's body at birth to take its first breath. It's why there was no exemption for pregnancy for women who were sentenced to be executed - a fetus wasn't a life. Oops.
Your choices are that Jesus was a fucking liar, your omniscient God who's also Jesus is fucking absent-minded and totally forgot about abortion, or the former was worm food and the latter doesn't exist. Fuck off and take years figuring it out.
“I don't support LGBTQ which is why I choose to be and stay straight.”
I missed that comment. gawd I don’t believe in, you people simply cannot help yourselves. Are you one of those homo-hating homos? You must be, because in the entirety of my 75 years, I have met only two people who said they chose to be gay or chose to be straight. One of them was stupid, the other was a liar.
What they meant was that they were bisexual. And that is clearly the case with you.
And once again, you can’t help but prove that homo hating homos are the worst people on earth/
Hey! We don't want him! Because I'll guarantee he is also a misogynist, and no sane woman has time for that ignorant noise.
I think that gays would be thrilled if we conservative Christians just left them alone. If we are to love our neighbors then there's no reason to go after them. Paul wrote that it wasn't our business to judge those who are outside our faith.
We'd be thrilled if you left us alone.
Yet you all do it anyway.
And jesus said it wasn’t yours to judge anyone.
Jesus confronted racism with love. Jesus was a refugee. Jesus fought off systems of oppression.
And Jesus threatens all of us with HELL. Ain't he just a swell fella.
The whole "he gets us" crap amounts to very little more than a phenomenal waste of money. The $100 million that The Servant Christian Foundation is spending could have been used to feed and clothe people who need either or both, or perhaps provide housing for the homeless ... but nope. They'd rather thumb their nose at Matthew 6:5-6 and tell everyone how neat their supposed savior is.
And the message apparently isn't selling well. Whoda thunk it? 😝
Jesus confronted racism with love. Where? The only example in the gospels is his dealings with the Samaritan woman, where he helped her, but still showed contempt. Jesus was a refugee. So? Did that make him advocate for other refugees? If I remember correctly, he was a refugee as an infant due to some royal dude wanting the baby killed. Jesus fought off systems of oppression? Not really. Sure, he spoke against Rome, but only to push for his own system of oppression.
The message isn't selling well because people can look past the surface platitudes and find the fascism underneath.
He wasn’t a refugee. The flight to Egypt was found only in Matthew.
Luke tells a very different story. A story of Joseph and Mary merely presenting Jesus in the temple according their beliefs and laws and then taking Jesus home. No flight to Egypt was mentioned and there was no reason for one.
That kind of thing happens when you're born at least ten years after you're born.
Never mind when the story of the guy is written 40 years after he supposedly died!
One baby Jesus, two different stories. It’s like the bible (hell, just the NT alone) can’t even be consistent in what it manufactures.
"Luke and Mark used a lot of drugs."
https://youtu.be/ssSkwv8iBfU?t=139
“If John was Jesus on pot, Revelations is Jesus on acid.” I forgot who said it, but the NT is a big hot mess.
And three to four months 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦, as well!
Matthew was writing for a specifically Jewish audience, and a lot of Matthew is explaining how the coming of Jesus fulfilled all kinds of Old Testament prophecies. The Messiah was specifically supposed to come from Bethlehem, but everyone knew Jesus was from Nazareth. So they concoct a story sending him to Bethlehem to be born. And then there was a prophecy that said the Messiah would have to come from Egypt. So they had to work that in somehow.
What they couldn't nail is the fact that the Jewish messiah is very human, unlike the divine Christian messiah.
Jesus is no more the messiah than I am.
You're just a very naughty boy.
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the laugh, Zizzer! 🤣🤣🤣
Why, oh why are there 4 different gospels which disagree so very much? And don’t agree with the epistles at all?
Hell, Jesus dissed his own mother, fer petesake. Jesus would be lucky to get ANYTHING of the 21st century ... but then, being that he is an invention without substance, that should surprise no one.
He dissed his own mother and told his own followers to abandon their wives and kids. Sounds about christian to me.
sounds like he was running for congress as a Republican.
😂🤣
The Parable of the Good Samaritan, demonstrating by its very title that Samaritans are inherently bad except for 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘖𝘯𝘦...
And there is the little problem of bad things happening to good people and good things happening to bad people… so many ignored prayers.
And, despite all the money they have burned through, the church parking lots here in the Bible Belt remain ‘underutilized’… I keep expecting the Evilgelicals to announce they reject those ‘false gospels’ in their inerrant Bible and that they have found a copy of the true gospel of rethuglican Jeebus. New, updated Bible coming right up.
Didn't the trump bible excise all those red letter supposed jesus-words/s?
You do seem to be hateful.
Jesus is nothing, if not flexible. You can always find a church willing to tell you what you want to hear.
Something or someone who attempts to be all things to all people may wind up being nothing to no one.
That was Paul’s claim. Guess that makes the equally-nonexistent SaulPaul nothing to anyone.
Paul, that fucking misogynist dude. He definitely came across as a closet case that line about not wasting your seed on a woman, doesn't come off that way at all!/s
Jesus: never existed. There are no gates or imaginary friends.
We are not in the habit of hating things that don't exist. We DO have a problem with the promotion of baseless belief systems which have been taken to absurd extremes, mostly in the service of people controlling other people. Right now, that is too much of what Christianity is in spades.
I have no reason to believe ANY religion. Thus, I subscribe to NONE OF THEM. I am an atheist, and I do not blink when I say so.
I don't hate that which can't be proven. I don't hate the alleged jesus any more than I hate Sasquatch, the Oster bunny or Mr Magoo.
Prove he existed!
Funny how this divine chum of yours who's supposedly still around keeping tabs on things stopped preventing his followers from doing evil in his name the instant he kicked off, innit?
Are you here to feed your martyr complex?
It's all martyrbation, all the time, with some.
That was my first reaction, too, that that money could have been much better spend on support for needy people. Such as providing food for hungry people (i.e. not cutting food stamps), caring for ill people (i.e. not cutting healthcare), housing the homeless (i.e. not cutting housing support, I think you call them Section 8??) and that is before we get to Jesus' teaching about looking after strangers. I don't think he considered putting people into detention centres in Texas 'looking after'.
Talking of which - have you come across this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention
ICE SO needs to be either reined in or DISMANTLED!
Citation, or you just continue to talk out of your ass.
Whoop-whoop. Until there is hard evidence to support the existence of either place, my disdain for both, as well as the religion that espouses them, continues unabated.
𝐼𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑆𝐻𝑂𝑊 𝑖𝑡, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝐾𝑁𝑂𝑊 𝑖𝑡.
-- Aron Ra
Your PR is a big fail. Christianity has a well justified reputation as a death cult that is okay with child rape, genocide and war.
Especially these days, one can just look to the squatter in the white house and his evil cabinet toadies.
Really, never read about the history of Christianity! There is the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the genocide of the Catharsis, the purges of the Jews, the residential schools, etc.
Um, when the communion is done by symbolically, or in some cases literally, eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a dead man, you are in a death cult. You are really bad at PR.
Ah yes, abundance and unity. Two things your deity could easily provide to all of humanity, since he's omnipotent and all that. Y'know, to actually 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 all that worship he demands?
And yet...
You haven't provided any examples or proof of anything, just unfounded claims.
Look, I don't know you, but right now? You're coming off as smug, superior, and a bit jerkish.
Christianity has thousands of different branches, so claiming unity is dubious at best. I have no idea what you mean by communication, but if this is your attempt to convince folk here to convert to Christianity my advice would be to take a step back and read the room a bit better. This isn't doing you any favors.
Then you're wasting your time. The regulars here (including myself) aren't having any, not of "PR damage control" or the simplistic BS which is the "he gets us" campaign.
You can go peddle your papers elsewhere. I seriously doubt you'll get any sales here.
Grift? Calling a spade a spade is a grift? Christianity lately has done such a great job of discrediting itself that we hardly need to throw in our $0.02 worth. We DO opine for multiple reasons, not the least of which is to point out the multiple contradictions and general bullshit which comprise the bible and the too many belief systems built on it.
Far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a grift because it is built on myth and superstition instead of fact and evidence and because it is used for manipulation and control. If you wish to practice it, go ahead. Do not think for one second that we will give it any consideration, never mind endorsement.
Christianity is capitalism in Bible drag. It’s all a MLM scam and it has always been a MLM scam.
Come on, pull the other one!
You've got 'I am a real christian' in your profile and you've come here to a forum called 'Friendly Atheist'. Either you want to proselytise or shit-stir.
Neither is attractive.
There is no hell, no sins, no god.
If there is a hell and a satan, why is your god too weak of a cuck to defeat it?
Another worthless post from you. You write without saying anything of substance.
There are no gods, nor demons, nor saints nor hell. All fictional bullshit without a shred of proof.
If any of these things existed you could provide immediate proof, but you can't so you are just another lying christian.
You've utterly failed to prove a single one of your claims. It seems you just like to hear yourself talk or to read your owned failed utterances.
Pathetic.
Mortals' lives are finite, therefore any crime committed by a mortal must be finite.
Punishment in hell is infinite.
Do you believe that it is just to inflict infinite punishment for finite crimes?
So... that'd be a "yes" then. I'ma just mark that one down as a "yes."
I would be interested in knowing what their methodology was in determining Jesus ‘gets us’, because I certainly don’t see any evidence for it. Christianity has had centuries to get its message out, and all it has ever accomplished is the creation of the most factionalized religion on the planet. A process that has had horrific consequences for humanity. If Jesus wants to talk to me, he can show up any time he wants and do so. In the meantime I have no patience for the people presuming to speak on his behalf, as they do not come close to presenting a consistent message.
You should familiarize yourself with the history of what Christians, acting in the name of Christianity, have done to their fellow Christians.
Saints like the Ghoul of Kolkata, that most odious and sadistic penguin, Mother Teresa? The one who denied patients in her charge even the tiniest amount of palliative care as they lay dying in agony, because she believed that their suffering was holy, then when she herself took ill spent millions of dollars jet-setting around the world for the best medicine other peoples' money could buy?
Some example.
I don’t need religion of any sort to be moral!
Religion and morality are two different beasts.
No kidding, if he is only moral because of the threat of hell or being rewarded by enter his imaginary heaven. Well, you know where I am going with this!
Prove saints actually exist.
Why do you care what people think of Christianity?
Really, every religion makes that claim, are they as moral or more moral than your religion!
Your little talking points are unsubstantiated. Here's one of mine: Islam* is the most moral religion and is therefore vulnerable to attacks.
* Can be replaced by Jewdeism, Bhudism, Hinduism, Satanism, etc.
If christianity is the most moral religion, it needs better followers: People like that little louse Johnson certainly give it a bad name!
When most of the attacks on the morality of a religion come from the evil words and deeds of its clergy, perhaps it might be worth considering that the religion itself may not be the bastion of morality you think it is.
Faith is a vice.
Are the other religions just as moral as yours or more moral? Well, I want to know your answer to my simple question!
There is NOTHING moral about infinite punishment for finite transgressions, and all the fancy dancing you and others like you try to do to justify an afterlife of eternal punishment only makes Christianity look WORSE.
On top of that, punishment is generally used to CORRECT BEHAVIOR, but being that a residency in hell is PERMANENT, where is the chance to exercise that correction. The concept of hell, so far as I'm concerned, is nothing more than SADISM.
To paraphrase A.B. Potts, “I don’t have a problem with Jesus, it’s His fan club I can’t stand…“
Frankly, I have all sorts of problems with Jesus, from his "I come not to bring peace but a sword" to the threat of hell he introduced to the world. I have a problem with his assertion that salvation is based on BELIEF rather on FACT and that the spreading of his word has come at the price of so many millions of lives, and that's just scratching the surface.
Potts can be okay with Jesus all she wants. Doesn't mean I have to be, too.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑑𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑠𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 “𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒.” 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚.
Every accusation is a confession taken to new heights. Their attempt at accentuating the positives even highlights their horrible track record.
Christianity track record is very bad when it comes to people that are different from having different views on Christianity itself to Christianity interactions with other religions to Christianity’s view on people’s behaviour, etc.
Of course, there is a small matter of proving existence of their deity; 2000 years and still no actual concrete evidence has been presented!
Did i just hear bagpipes?
I mean, black people are the descendants of Hamm, and so inferior because Hamm was such a bad guy. So, yeah, racism is baked right into the religion.
More bullshit. If you want to be taken seriously here, you'll have to prove the existence of your imaginary friend first.
“I’m not here to proselytize.”
Proceeds to proselytize. Any PR damage control you try is literally trying to convince us we should believe you. And your base presumption we need to believe is that Jesus died for us. That’s proselytizing. Full stop. Pretending that the “bad Christians” aren’t actually Christians is more proselytizing, by pretending there are no bad Christians because only the good Christians count.
You obviously think we are stupid. But you just keep showing us your ass. It ain’t pretty, put it away.
Don't forget, he's threatening us all with hell. He doesn't even know that Christians come here who are interested in facts, science, and equality.
Really? Cause I think you are a poor liar.
Christianity exists on a huge spectrum, so unless you disavow all the other Christian sects, we don't know which one you think you are presenting. (Except, you mention saints which are probably Catholic or Orthodox. You realize Protestants don't pray to saints, and consider it praying to other gods?) So no, You're not sharing coherent philosophy OR actual, factual events.
Oh, the old "TRUE CHRISTIAN' fallacy. Attempting to determine who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled a river of blood. Naturally, the big guy couldn't be troubled to step in and clear things up. Probably too preoccupied with the impure thougts of young boys. Any failure of Christianity can be written off as the work product of people who weren't 'true' Christians. It's a get out of jail free card.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnVjkE87FDY
Why are these christian groups spending so much money on something with negligible impact? Why isn't this money being spent on charities that actually do good in the world and have an impact? This is no different than a politician spending millions of dollars on a losing campaign, instead of channeling that money into something worthwhile.
It would require actually giving a damn about people other than themselves. This is just performative nonsense to make them look good.
it’s also a grift. Some of that money is buying ad spots, sure, but the rest of it is justifying “nonprofit” foundations that don’t do anything useful, paying marketing agencies that peddle hate, etc., etc., year after year. It supports their own infrastructure. But they get to tell themselves they’re doing “important outreach” and pat themselves on the back.
"Performative nonsense." Says it all in two words.
Brought to you by the people who seem to have missed where their own Messiah told them not to perform prayer in public!
That because most Christians haven’t read the gospels, in fact most Christians haven’t read the Bible from cover to cover!
I did. I read it all and all that misogyny, incest, and sanctioned violence made me dislike it. I see nothing in it for women, unless you have a submissive kink.
If the Christian fascist put that money in actual charities that help people, then in the mind of these fuckwits the “wrong” people might get help (people that the Christian hate such as atheists, gays, muslims, etc.).
Really, the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, the purges of Jews, residential schools are done by Christians! I have history to back me up, as for the U.S.S.R religion was never totally banned in that country, but strictly controlled. The Holocaust was done by Christians with the full backing of the church! Atheists and gays also died in the camps as well as Jews!
Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the messiah, where do they fit in, how about Hinduism which is older than Christianity.
Like you want to install a Christian theocracy, society based on the Bible!
Spending this money is a bit like prayer. It’s not for the benefit of the other people, but for the benefit of the people praying or the people spending the money.
Prayer is what you do when you don’t want to do anything but don’t want to get called out for it. Spending $700 million is what you do when you don’t want to be whom you claim to be in the world but don’t want to get called out for it.
Here you go, showing your ass again.
The Satanic Temple are atheists, they don’t believe in a literal Satan, and they never claimed to. Nor do they worship Satan or use him in any way that would belie their atheism. They use Satan as a tool to protect the separation of church and state, which is not a legal fiction.
So it is legal fiction to allow people to have different beliefs under religious freedom? So, people who don’t believe in a god or religion aren’t protected under the constitution? Do you hear yourself? Good faith dialogue my ass.
Then yours isn’t a real religion, prove that it is?
A deity is not necessary for a religion. A religion is not necessary for a deity.
Yes, in fact, all those who call themselves Christian 𝘢𝘳𝘦 legally Christians. There exists no reasonable metric by which to grade their Christian-ness, so self-identification is the standard- not just in this country, but everywhere. You put your name on the list, you're on the list. That is, indeed, how it works, as far as the law is concerned.
If, on the other hand, we tested you guys on how rigidly you adhere to (or how well you even know) your holy book, I doubt there'd be a Christian alive on the whole of the Earth... but that's neither here nor there.
Do you consider Atheists and gays are human deserving human rights? Yes or no answer is all I want!
Oh honey, you do 𝘯𝘰𝘵 even know who you're talking to, do you?
I 𝘥𝘰 so wish I could see the look on your face when you figure it out.
Why does an all-powerful god need his worshipers to do his advertising for him?
Because they’re not all the same? The groups that do charity work are not the groups that pay for this slop. The people pushing for the He Get Us ads have entirely different doctrines and have been opposed by other Christians. Their initial Instagram posts were overrun with Christians calling them out both for their weird messaging and for their unbiblical claims. I even confronted them about it, asking questions that are essential to the faith, primarily their perception of the gospel message and how it’s portrayed. They not only didn’t stop but doubled down. They’re arguably not even Christian because even what they say about Christ undermines basic Christian teachings.
The real irony is that they’re backed by Relevant magazine, which is a progressive Christian publication. So they’ve hit the uncanny valley of being hated by non-Christians for being too conservative and by evangelicals and more orthodox Christians for being too liberal. Literally nobody likes them except for other progressive Christians.
Just curious, what part of "sell all that you have, give the proceeds to the poor" makes people think Jesus would appreciate spending 700,000,000 dollars on a marketing campaign?
That money could fund quite a few food banks to the end of the year. It could really help out the ACLU and immigrant's rights groups right about now. It could help lobby the government to change how immigrants are treated, how we treat prisoners in sub-humane conditions. It could pay off medical debt. It could adopt a lot of orphans. Fund afterschool programs for kids who need a safe place to go.
Look, I know I only have a handful of "approved" books to go off of here, but I feel like the apocalyptic preaching rabbi Jesus of Nazareth that a majority of scholars think existed would really hate everything about our Imperial and consumerist culture and wasting your money on trying to make converts and turning them into twice the sons of Hell that you are.
Well, obviously you mean the teachings of Regular Jesus. These guys follow Republican Jesus, remember 🙄😉
Even Jesus said "Don't sell that oil, give me a foot rub!"
He Gets Us is an outward-facing solution to an inward problem. That's why these ads don't land. They literally point out the all the reasons people are walking away from christianity, especially the wasting of multi-millions of dollars on high-profile ads, ADS!, when 'god's people' can't afford groceries. Own goal, christians. Keep up the good work. 😂
I managed to avoid these clueless ads by listening to the proceedings on the radio instead of watching on a TV I don't own. I got the better end of the bargain (especially that sweet outcome at the end).
Jesus gets us? Jesus doesn't exist and never did. If he ever did exist, he left no imprint on the world and changed nothing.
My most important takeaway: "A good product that already has widespread usage shouldn’t need a marketing campaign at all...... Marketing Jesus comes with an inherent flaw: Most of the people using the product aren’t worth admiring."
So true.
The thing is, religion (Christianity especially, and the evangelical sects are the most obnoxious about it) is a MLM scam. It’s all marketing/advertising. There’s no real product, folks buy in and become brainwashed then they go out to sell it to others. MLM scams like Amway and even Mary Kay use religious tactics to sell their brands. Amway is practically a Christian sect itself and run by uber religious people. They use a lot of religious rituals to get the people to buy in, they talk like preachers at meetings and use similar words and phrases.
Religion can’t work if the people aren’t all selling it, not a product but be part of the brand.
Good parallel! I recommend YouTube channel of Sean Munger, a very articulate historian, for his documentaries about Amway Tools Cult.
We are busy busy busy with our move and I just woke up. So I may be brief, or I may not.
Christian apologetics are not so much intended to convince non-believers as they are intended to convince believers. That, I think, it is the biggest fault with the “he gets us”. Well, there are other others. But this is a problem. This is apologetics through and through.
And it’s also piles of lies. And you can’t spell piles without lies. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that piles is an old euphemism for Hemorrhoids, which leads us to the subject of assholes and hurt.
Have you ever been bullied? Oh yes, I was bullied as a child as the obviously gay kid as the obvious Jewish kid as the obviously weird kid. But mostly as the gay kid. As an adult, I’ve watched Christian bullies spend millions and billions of dollars to exclude me from society, projecting all of their sins onto me, especially the sins of child molestation. The vast majority of child molestation occurs within the holy heterosexual family. And every year, in my newsfeed, there are as many as 500 professional Christians arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for their sex crimes against children, often women, and occasionally men. And yet, they revile and slander gay people, transgender people, gender dysphoric people, and drag queens. And as I have mentioned many times, the very same passage in Corinthians that they used to condemn gay people also condemns people who revile and slander.
Jesus was a refugee? One small story in one place in the Bible about the flight into Egypt is, what I assume they are using to justify the egregious lie. But he came back, and had no problem wandering all over the place. There weren’t any ice bullies to send Jesus back to Egypt.
Jesus fought Sytems of oppression? No, he did not. In fact, that’s pretty much the reason why the people dropped him because he wasn’t the promised to Messiah. And he himself said his kingdom was not of this world. He did nothing against the Romans. In fact, when pilate asked him if he was the king of the Jews, jesus said neither yes nor no. The Paul did say to obey the civil authorities, and that’s repeated many times in the Bible.
Jesus said give away all that you have and follow me, not collect enough money that you can donate $700 million to an ad campaign while people starve.
I find it ironic that in a sense – no offense intended, Hemant— Hemant’s essay isa kind of apologetics for the anti-Dominionism shared by everybody here. His essay is not going to convince us because we’re already convinced. It’s not going to convince true believers, either.
He is also shooting for the movable middle.
But the difference is, Hemant isn’t spending $700 million.
Ben - I am so sorry for the crap you had to live through.
Of course you are both in the world and of the world. There is no one righteous, no not one. There is no true christianity, or pure christianity. You need only look at the churches, the immense wealth, the sumptuous robes, the video shows, the never ending quest for political power, the never ending culture wars The never ending financial and sexual scandals. The coverups for both.
Ot you can just look at the 700 million they are spending on an ad campaign. How many starving children does it take to justify that?
You are all of you neck deep in the world. But you need to tell yourself you are not.
Are you sure you aren’t here to proselytize?
𝘞𝘩𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘵? Are you implying that our godbot-du-jour might be less than honest about the reason for its visit? How rude!
Can’t abandoned something you can’t prove exist!
All gods will have their turn being forgotten, in the fullness of time.
A god that needs his cult to spend outrageous sums of money on lame ads promoting its brand, instead of helping the poor, feeding the hungry and curing the sick, says not worthy of worship, impotent and weak. It also says imaginary because an allegedly impotent being could simply show itself and ask for followers to worship it.
Critical thinking skills are something xtians don't possess and clearly are unable to develop.
Of course critical thinking is foreign to believers. Were they to develop such skills, they wouldn't be believers for very bloody long!
Further Thought: Does Jesus "get" an atheist? Does he have the slightest inkling of WHY I and others like me suspect that he and his daddy have never had any palpable existence and why we find the messages he promoted more than a little disingenuous? I wonder if he would have any thought to my attitude that this campaign of his strikes me as foolish and simplistic.
And I can't escape the feeling that the answer to all of the above questions is a resounding "NO."
For a guy who said he was "ending," JG sure keeps hanging around trying to last-word people.
Typical xtian on an atheist site.
It seems he having a real crisis of faith, since what was in the article rings too true for him, he has to push his beliefs on us to feel comfortable again.
He's trying to convince us, yet all he's done is try to convince himself. He's failing at both.
Seems very insecure. Typical when you are making supernatural claims and expect your assertions to be taken as truth without any proof being offered.
(in Bugs Bunny's voice) "He don't know us vewwy well, do he?"
He's damn lucky BHm isn't here. He'd have been sent packing long before now.
To tell atheists (most of whom have been xtians) what they need to do and believe is almost comedic but also sad that his worldview is so stunted that he thinks his assertions will somehow whip us back in line to become mindless devotees of the death cult based on the posts of some rando.
He's like the Christstain standing on the street corner with a megaphone. Do they really believe there are people around who haven't heard it all before? Does anyone ever stop on the sidewalk in front of them and yell, "Yes, brother! NOW I believe in Jesus because you told me about him."?
Obviously they do. Why else would they spend $700,000,000 on this shitty ad campaign.
Loud, obnoxious and totally convinced that if they yell loud enough we will all be magically turned into sheeple that can be grifted.
Or dammit Barry as well!
I MISS BHM!!!!! 😢
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m34GUn0QqA
It's mildly amusing when someone is so lacking in awareness that they don't realize that most atheists were xtians or adherents to some other cult at one time and that sin is an imaginary disease invented by grifters to sell the gullible an imaginary cure.
What a shame that Jose is ill-equipped to hear that.
I think, like most of the xtians that show up here, he is so deeply immersed in the cult programming that he feels that it should be self evident to all that his beliefs are correct. Xtians seldom grasp the concept of burden of proof.
He's here to get his martyrbation fix, then it's back to the rest of the cult for a good love-bombing. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Then why are you here? We aren’t pretending to be Christians, we don’t need your no true Scotsman drivel. If you don’t like the reputation Christians have, or you don’t like the way Christians are being presented in these ads or who are promoting g these ads, take it up with the people running the ads. We don’t care. We can’t change the so called christopretensists, we aren’t involved. We just point and laugh when Christians show their true faces.
We don’t need your PR damage control, the damage to Christianity for us was done a long time ago, you coming here to tell us you’re great by calling us perverts and sinners isn’t going to make us like you. You’re just adding damage to your religion’s shitty reputation.
“But as a Christian I will always show love to non Christians”
Like you’ve shown us here? Calling us perverted, evil, fake Christians, inferior, and whatever else, wishing us to go to hell or eternal death whatever that is. That’s not love, that’s pretty fucking hateful. Your PR is backfiring, your complaining about our “hasty generalizations” only confirms our impressions of Christians. We don’t wish Christianity was anything other than impotent in our society. If you want to expose the grift expose it to people who will be moved by the exposure, we already know Christian’s are grifty, it’s the sheep in the pews you need to convince, not the atheists.
In regards to the LGBTQ lifestyle not living and let living your take is just asinine. “Yeah, we let you get married but blocked all the stuff you need to actually get married and now we are so mad that you tried to actually use your rights we are going to throw everyone’s rights away.” How many gay people made you perform homosexuality? Who made you do something you didn’t want to? Oh my god, someone asked you to use common fucking decency and call them by the name they prefer?!? How ever did you survive? People are dying from your religious hatred. But oh noes, you had to call a woman she even though she didn’t perform femininity up to your standards. Fuck you. You don’t know what struggle is. You don’t know what it’s like to be forced to comply. Just so’s you know, you are just as performative as all the other Christians you claim are christopretensive. Worse really.
“I think your worldview and lifestyle is inferior and you should just let me keep believing that unless you want to have dialogue in good faith”
Son, sit down, you have come into a space for atheists, that is welcoming to LGBTQ people and minorities and even progressive Christians, calling us names, accusing us of evil, pretending you Christian better than everyone else on the planet, then you demand we dialogue in good faith!?! We must let you keep believing we are unworthy of human rights, or as you say inferior, but we aren’t allowed to think you are brainwashed but still worthy. We didn’t ask you here. We didn’t ask for your opinion. We have told you we don’t want to hear your bad take multiple times. You are breaking the social contract here, not us. We don’t want a dialog because we didn’t come to you to tell you how to believe, you did that to us. You don’t get good faith conversation when you can’t be bothered to listen to the other side. You’re not considering our side, your mind is closed, you are the one lacking good faith. I don’t know how many ways we can tell you we don’t care what you think of us. I don’t know how else to tell you that you are not welcome here. So if having conversations here is difficult, L.E.A.V.E. BE GONE. SAYONARA, AUF WETDERSAIN, GOOD BYE.
I've got a saying that applies quite well to your brand of "love"- it goes "𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘤𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘩 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 '𝘣𝘶𝘵.'"
If your "love" comes with enough terms and conditions to make an entire corporate legal department have a mass fainting spell, it isn't really love at all. It's just hate dressed up in flowery purple prose.
News Bulletin: I can state the reason why I'm an atheist in two words: NO EVIDENCE. There is no evidence for any form of deity, whether we're talking about Yahweh and Satan, or Zeus, Hera, and Apollo, or Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. The supposed life of Jesus is highly questionable for multiple reasons, and what is recorded in the bible is sufficiently self-contradicting that it disqualifies itself.
This reality gives every indication to be run by the laws of physics and completely indifferent to what goes on in it ... including US. Jesus doesn't even enter the equation.
This following alone destroys "Jesus"
jesusneverexisted.com/philo/
Personally, I REALLY like the part about "no contemporary sources." If all the shit he supposedly did actually HAPPENED, there would have been THOUSANDS of sources, and they'd likely be far more consistent than the gospels are!
I would disagree.
The fact that there is nothing in contemporary sources probably means that there was no "Jesus" of any significance that would lead Philo or Josephus to mention them.
What it doesn't do is eliminate the possibility of an itinerant preacher from the apocalyptic tradition who was tried and executed at Passover., and just happened to be called Jesus. There's no evidence for that, but there again, there's little evidence of virtually anyone who isn't significant in the grand scheme of things.
No evidence? But ... but ... all you have to do is look around you!
Look at the trees.
No. 1. The Larch.
🎵But they don't listen to me🎵
Did you talk to them in Clint Eastwood's voice?
Ummm ... THESE trees?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4f3YnKUMk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2lKSEgb8yc
Say what, do you know what atheism is? Atheist are not into promoting christopretensism or any form of religion!
He won't have much to "destroy" as Christoyaddayadda isn't real. Kinda like his god.
I don’t think he knows the meaning of atheism!
Also "Christopretensism" is just more made up trash.
They never do, the hate-churches see us as just another religion, when we are anything but.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/04CuWdHmUFA
Every time you send me to youtube, I get ads for generic viagra or addiction treatment. I smell a conspiracy.
Just be thankful it isn’t a picture of Trump getting it anally from a Russian bear! Hey, that could be the marble statute that Trump wanted to ERECTED to show the world who actually calls the SHOTS in the United States! 😳
If that doesn’t give you nightmares, then nothing will!
I'll ask Joan if the bagpiper has already ridden that. 😉
The bagpiper has my sympathy!
Fortunately, there are treatments for that ad infection!
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
^ Currently the best one I've found for scrubbing youtube ads without altering or interfering with any other site features. Haven't seen a youtube ad in years. Some other plugins out there will even auto-skip sponsor segments that are part of the video itself, but I haven't found it too bothersome to just do that manually.
Christopretensism (noun)
Definition: The act of invoking Christian language, symbols, or identity for the sake of appearance, influence, or cultural signaling rather than genuine belief or practice.
This an atheist site. Christopretensism refers to people like Trump who pretend they’re Christian to obtain power.
You’re definitely in the wrong place. Try Truth Social. I’m sure you’ll get the reception you deserve.
That just sounds like NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN CRAP, that we always get from Christians when other Christians do bad things!
He's been playing that card practically since he came on here. He's like a dog with a bone, and he won't let go of it.
Or in their parlance it would be "virtue-signaling".
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"𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘢 𝘙𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥, 𝘐 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘪𝘵𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧; 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘵 𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘪𝘵𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘎𝘰𝘥 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵, 𝘴𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘵𝘴 𝘗𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘨’𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘱 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘗𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳, ’𝘵𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘚𝘪𝘨𝘯, 𝘐 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘩𝘦𝘯𝘥, 𝘰𝘧 𝘪𝘵𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘣𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘯𝘦." - Benjamin Franklin
Granted, he was writing about religions being propped up by 𝘨𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴, but... I'd argue that a god who needs to hire an 𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 for PR is even 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 pathetic.