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Troublesh00ter's avatar

WHEREAS the State of Texas appears to be bound and determined to utterly vitiate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution, and

WHEREAS such action disrespects any Texas citizen who is not a Christian,

THEREFORE the State of Texas once again exposes itself to yet another fracas in court which will waste taxpayer dollars, time, and patience, so that a few Texas legislators can indulge in useless virtue-signaling.

And the TL;DR version is: Here we go again, folks. 😝

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ericc's avatar

𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑖𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑇𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑠 𝑅𝑒𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑔𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑢𝑠 “𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒” 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ 𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑦. 𝑂𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑔𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑢𝑠 𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑠𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑐𝑟𝑢𝑒𝑙𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑔𝑢𝑛𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑤𝑓𝑢𝑙 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛. 𝑂𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑠 “𝑝𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑘” 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑏𝑦.

Privileged Texans justifying their callousness by saying to themselves 'I don't have to care for my fellow Texans, because God will do that.'

But when it come to punishment, oh ho THEN they sure are quick to think of themselves as the instruments of God's purpose.

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Matri's avatar

And when they are mildly inconvenienced, they have a GoFundMe so that other people can take care of them.

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oraxx's avatar

I live in Texas. This massively screwed up state is entirely the work-product of believers. Evidently, these fools in the legislature think the First Amendment is just a suggestion that really doesn't apply to Bible-thumping Christians. Our secular government, at every level, CANNOT choose one religion over another. The legislators pushing this idiocy should be held personally liable for defending the court cases that will surely follow.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Personal responsibility? That's almost as bad as expecting those dips to read their own bible!

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oraxx's avatar

Yup! If they read the magic book at all, it is to cherry pick the verses that appear to back up their predetermined conclusions.

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Joe King's avatar

They like the First Amendment's free exercise clause. They just hate the establishment clause, and want to force it to only mean that Congress isn't allowed to declare one particular denomination the official Church of the United States.

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cdbunch's avatar

All I can say is send a letter. If our legislators see that non-Christians are more than a fringe group in Texas, the MAY rethink these things.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Surely you jest.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Don't call him Shirley.

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cdbunch's avatar

That was why I said MAY.

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Larry Desmond's avatar

And, maybe point out strongly that - to date - there is no legitimate - credible, reliable, objective, verifiable - evidence for the existence of any "gods", including the monster, megalomania "gods" of their bible. If there is any response (can't imagine anything except coercion, threats, intimidation from such christian nationalists, but...), it will almost certainly be mindless drivel (I see similar on Quora regularly) along the lines of: My bible tells me so, and you better believe what it says - or else...; I believe so you and everyone else better believe what I believe too - or else...:; the world/universe is a wonderful place so the christian "gods" must have created it, and you better believe it - or else; and so on. You might care to add the attached article to point out in advance that (to me at least) such idiotic arguments are nothing more than simple-minded fallacies, believed only by other true believers who are intellectually and emotionally incapable of thinking for themselves. And to anyone who might read this, my apologies for the rant, but after reading hundreds of apologists' insulting posts on Quora and elsewhere, and the increased christian nationalist bullying, coercion, threats and intimidation of atheists and other non-believers, my contempt for how they impose their, to me, very silly beliefs, has grown to the point that I have great trouble responding amicably. But I will defend their right to whatever beliefs they chose to inflict onto their children and others - as long as they leave me and mine and secular life (e.g., pubic school pupils) alone. Not much chance of that, but one can hope, and man/person the barriers when/if the christian nationalist fanatics begin a new Inquisition/pogrom/genocide. https://www.answers-in-reason.com/religion/common-theistic-fallacies/

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Kathy Price's avatar

Are we going to have a month for Satanism? One for Islam or Zoroastrianism? How about Shinto and Buddhism? The religions of India might need more than one month as well as African religions. Voodoo would be a fun one. If we're going to do Christianity we need to do other world religions - and which version of Christianity? Baptist? Catholic? Lutheran? How about C of E? Or do we just want everyone to think the same and slot everyone into the same rigid little cubbyhole? Who, then, is going to decide which version everyone is to follow? Latter Day Saints? Jehovah's Witnesses? Seventh Day Adventists? The legislature would be so tied up in knots nothing else would ever be discussed - but maybe that's a good thing.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Let's not forget the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or does that overlap with Italian-American Heritage month? 🍝🥂

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Larry Desmond's avatar

Or, better yet (to me) skip all religious rites, and have annual, 12 month celebrations of the vanishing U.S. Constitution, democratic processes...

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cdbunch's avatar

Texas has a Christian Heritage Month already in Dec. It also has a Muslim American Heritage Month (I know, I'm shocked too)

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Keith G's avatar

The other day I was reading a story to my 7 year old daughter and at one point it mentioned trees as tall as church spires.

Daughter: "What are church spires?"

Me: "It's the tall pointy part of a church."

Daughter: "I don't know what a church is."

ATHEIST ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED

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Jarred Harris's avatar

Kind of makes me curious what percentage of churches still have spires. After all, I know that setting up churches in store fronts became a thing. And do megachurches bother giving their buildings tall spires these days? I'm used to church spires/towers having bells in them, and they almost seem to have gone out of favor too.

I mean, I guess the Catholics, Episcopalians, and similar denominations will probably keep the church spires alive for a time, but I still wonder if their prevalence might be dwindling overall.

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Roger Barker's avatar

They really need to keep this crap behind closed doors and out of the public.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Be nice, but will never happen. Virtue-signaling and territory-marking are the two favorite pastimes of Christian Texas legislators. They would no more stop those activities than they'd voluntarily stop breathing.

And apparently, their constituents LIKE what they're doing, so voting them out of office appears to be a non-starter as well. 😝

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Die Anyway's avatar

You can't read the whole T-shirt in that picture but it says "Make America Like Texas".

And I'm thinking: I don't like Texas and even if you point that rifle at me, I still won't like Texas. You can't make people like you by using threats and force. America will like Texas if Texas becomes more polite, more considerate, more kind, more accepting.

Carrie, you need to work on your social skills.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

Just like you can't use force or threats to make people embrace any religious ideology from creationism to Trumpism.

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dammitbarry's avatar

Those convinced against their will remain unconvinced. Something totally lost on kkkristers for 1700 years. See witch hunts, inquisitions, star courts and crusades.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I’m guessing it means America should be more like Texas with all the jingoism, bigotry, and oppressive government.

I agree, you can’t make folks like something by force. But reading in the way you read it makes it clear there’s a failure of Texas here. She’s admitting that America doesn’t like Texas and the only way to get them to is by force. What a sad state.

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Joe King's avatar

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Ms Isaac:

Your resolution to set aside one month each year for the next ten years to celebrate an explicitly Christian mindset is blatantly unconstitutional. How do you justify denigrating and disrespecting the 35% of your state's population that are not Christians? You will likely claim that you are not, but that would be disingenuous at best.

The United States was not founded to be a Christian nation. The Declaration of Independance does not establish our government. The words "God", "Jesus", "Christian" et cetera are not in the Constitution, the founding document of our government. The only mentions in the body of the Constitution concerning religion are in Articl VI, where it prohibits religious tests for public office, and the First Amendment, where separation of church and state are quaranteed by the Establisment Clause and the Free Exercise clause. No religious test means that anyone, of any religion or none, may participate in our government. The Establishment Clause mandates that the government may not promote any religious viewpoint, or even religion over non-religion. The Free Exercise clause mandates that the government may not prohibit any religious viewpoint, or even non-religion over religion. It mandates government neutrality towards religion. Neutrality is not hostility.

I find it hard to believe that such a basic civics lesson is necessary for a sitting state legislator, but here we are. Your resolution is an attempt to enshrine Christianity as the default religion. The next step is making it the official religion, then to prohibit any religious expression that is not Christian. Your un-American attempt to establish a Christian theocracy will be opposed by true patriots across the nation.

Joseph King

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Any bets that Ms. Isaac doesn't do town halls? Yeah, I know. The second coming is more likely.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

If she does, does she bring her BFG with her?

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Die Anyway's avatar

Hell yeah!

Although attendees will be required to check theirs at the door.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Berkley Frisbee Group?

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cdbunch's avatar

Thank you, Joe. I used the middle paragraph in the letter I fed into Gemini for my State Rep and had it give me a modified one for my state Senator to let him know my feeling if and when it comes up in the senate as well.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Automated response including the phrase, "Have a blessed day" incoming in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Bravo.

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Boreal's avatar

“God’s promises” are like trump’s: absolute fiction.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Would that Trump were as much fiction as Yahweh is. 😝

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Okay, what a load of hokum. None of the whereases are remotely true. Sure there are promises in the Bible but I would absolutely argue none of these peace love and strength to the weak have come true.

The crap about the declaration is spurious. First, we here all know well and good that the declaration isn’t an establishing document for our country. It is simply a statement the colonies no longer accepted the kings rule. Second, the creator is not god almighty. We know this specifically because the authors of the declaration recorded the debate over its use and the justifications therein. Third, the declaration rejects the religious claims of the king to rule over the colonies. They needed to use religious language to express their discontent, but were not establishing religious justification for rule in the colonies. They wanted no religious rule. Fourth, I repeat that the declaration isn’t a document that establishes our government nor does it claim Christian religious basis for our government.

The very idea that we need a month to recognize Christianity is clearly Christian nationalism. Where’s the calls for Jewish month, Islam month, Buddhism month, or Pagan month. We already work our calendars around Christian holidays too much, no need to do more.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

They spend so much time on the Dec and its Creator references (which are Deist and not Christian) that they ignore laws of the land like the Constituton (no mention of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Bible, Christ, Christianity or divine) and The Treaty With Tripoli (the govt. of the US is NOT, In ANY sense, founded on the Christian religion).

No matter how many times we fact slap them with this, they stubbornly refuse to let those facts sink in.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

If they DID acknowledge facts at all, their faith would fall of its own weight, and they can't have that.

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dammitbarry's avatar

OINGO does not have a month. FSM does not. Both are angry and will punish texaass mightily.

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

"Be strong and courageous."

From the same crowd who went into a tizzy during the pandemic over having to wear a mask for a few minutes at the grocery store, or goes into convulsions over hearing "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

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Joe King's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝐹𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑅𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 “𝑒𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒-𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛” 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑏𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦 𝑜𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡.

For once I disagree with the FFRF. This is not just 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 endorsing Christianity, it is 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 doing it. It treats God as an entity that exists, and is active in human affairs. It makes it clear that the God it refers to is the Christian God. It cites the bible in the way that conservative evangelical Christianity does. And it repeats the easily debunked lie that the United States is an explicitly evangelical Christian nation by citing the Declaration of Independance, as though that justifies them in effectively telling everyone who is not a Christian that they don't accept their status as full citizens.

I would bet that a Day of Reason proclamation would never even get heard in committee. They would never acknowledge the contributions of Muslims, Jews, or Hindus. I am certain that someone in the Texas legislature would be willing to sponsor a resolution condemning any or all minority religious viewpoints as being anti-American, and to be expelled from the state.

The fact that several Democrats don't see the problem with this disgusts me. It is why I wish for electoral reform that would allow me to vote for better political parties instead of the least horrible side of the two party hegemony we are hanging on to.

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ericc's avatar
21hEdited

I will bet that, should this pass, there will be another 10-year "April is Christian month" resolution next year. Makes you wonder how many of these proclamations they can hang on April. So we'll now have a double Christian April. 2026 can give us triple Christian April. Will they go for quadruple? Quintuple?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Maybe it's my atheistic orientation showing, but that declaration is worded as though Yahweh were an actual, demonstrable entity which actively takes part in the day-to-day doings of humankind. It would be nice if someone on the floor of the Texas legislature would have the cojones to challenge such an assumption, but sadly, that would mark the end of said person's political career.

Which doesn't change the fact that such a challenge isn't just necessary; it's MANDATORY.

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21hEdited

Given that it's layering one 'Christian month' celebration right on top of another, I think the proper response is satire. A none legislator should propose a bill layering ten more Christian proclamations on April, and give a floor speech saying that anyone not voting for the 10-fold proclamation is clearly not Christian-Texan enough.

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Joe King's avatar

It's not your atheistic orientation showing, it really is worded that way.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Yeah ... thought so! 😁

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Linda Bower's avatar

Woof, Rep. Carrie Isaac! If there’s a way, you can count on Texas to find it. The goddamned crusades have been unleashed.

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vibing.'s avatar

Lmao they wanna have pride month so bad but don't know how to serve like us 💅

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Becky's avatar

Hard no.

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Len's avatar

So their holy month starts on the first of April. Sounds about right.

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Whitney's avatar

Oh, because Christianity in governance has always gone 𝑠𝑜 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 in the past! Just ignore the witch hunts and inquisitions and the wars and slavery and such, and it'll be 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑒. /s

Quite honestly, Christianity's history is a great argument for there being no god - or at least, no worthwhile god - in existence. That faith has been shown several times for having a disturbing fondness for hurting and killing innocent people for no better reason than they couldn't defend themselves. Even if, for whatever laughable reason, the US was founded on Christianity, moving away from it would still be one of the best things the US ever did. Notice how all these political people refuse to acknowledge the actual events of history here, which to me is an indicator of how much they'd probably like to repeat it.

Texas has enough problems to solve that should be taking up time in their governing body, there's no reason to resort to this sort of grandstanding unless the plan is to make said problems worse rather than solve them.

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