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David V. Miller's avatar

US Media is selling this as a victory of "Parental Rights". No, it's not that. What it is is a victory of Religiou$ Fanatics over Education AND the Separation of Religion & State.

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Joe King's avatar

It is another way to destroy public schools. The decision opens the door to making wildly disparate indiviualized instruction mandatory. The instruction would have to be tailored not to the child's needs and abilities, but to the parent's bigotry.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

"Parents Rights" has always and only been about Christian parents' "rights" to emotionally and physically abuse their children into staying in their cults. The US in the ONLY country that never ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, and there are 5 states (including California!) that have no age limits on marriage. Meanwhile even in tiny little Yemen allows girls under 18 who are forced into marriage are at least allowed to get divorced; in the US if you're under 18, you're not allowed to sign divorce papers. You're trapped. The Homeschool Legal Defense Association are the ones pushing for "parents' rights." Christian homeschoolers had too many complaints from social service people showing up at their doors. The Duggars and their ilk practice shit like "blanket training," which is where you stick a crawling baby on a blanket and hit it with plastic spanking sticks until it learns to stay on the blanket while you leave the room. That is the kind of shit they want to be allowed to do. CHILDREN'S RIGHTS is what we should all be fighting for. Seriously check out the Rights of the Child document--it includes rights to education and healthcare. SOCIALISM! I had to homeschool my kids for health reasons, and trust me, there's a lot of secular homeschoolers trying to fight back against this shit, but no one believes us. We are the ones showing up at Stop Moms for Liberty meetings, but most liberals are like "nah, you're exaggerating!" smdh. Sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away. We need another Reason Rally!

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Matri's avatar

It’s the natural evolution of “State’s Rights”.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

If the oligarch owned media is promoting it, it has to be disingenuous.

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Ian D's avatar

The only thing that big money and all that they own and those who they pay off, is wedge and division issues so that working people will be fixated on anything else other than redistriubution of wealth and public assets, economic and social equality, living wages, national health care, affordable child and aged care, taxation avoidance, democracy being undermined each and every day through self interest lobbyist, etc.

This is not to say that the subject matter isn't significant and not addressed. Its just the last thing big money and those they pay wants, is to be seen and called out for what they are, legal thieves & mercenaries!

Watch how their lackeys will also now double down and continue to portray any forms of socialism as a negative.

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oraxx's avatar

People who are not qualified to teach second guessing those who are. What could possibly go wrong? It is very revealing that religious zealots who claim to be in possession of the absolute truth, are terrified to let anyone challenge their beliefs. A lot of bluster, but very little confidence. My faith in this country declines with every passing day. We used to have a Supreme Court that could be counted on to protect the rights of Americans. Now, thanks to conservatism, we have a Court that protects the Republican party and the religious right. I won't be shocked if this court strikes down the Civil Rights Act.

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John L's avatar

A+ comment! I am a retired teacher and l volunteer to read books to children at my former school. I read ONLY banned books! The children know it, and can’t understand what all the fuss is about!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

ONLY banned books! Oh, naughty-naughty! ROCK ON, JOHN!!! 👍

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oraxx's avatar

The religious right keeps trying to sell the idea there is only ever one acceptable point of view, and they will be the ones to decide what that one acceptable view point is. They would silence their critics by force if they could.

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larry parker's avatar

What a bovine uses after a shower.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

No entiendo.

¿Està una pregunta ?

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larry parker's avatar

Cow towel.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

We have such fun with the English language, don't we? 😁

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

A REAL GOODIE! 🤣🤣🤣

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Munchygut's avatar

Most of these judges are Catholic (and some demonstratively corrupt) and they put their dogma before the law. Just like religious hospitals who put their dogma before the patients.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

Look up the ProPublica story on Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society. https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-leo-supreme-court-supermajority This is another thing conservatives were doing while liberals were in la-la land, thinking democracy was a perpetual motion machine that didn't need tending.

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E.A. Blair's avatar

Tell those Catholic judges that the only approved religios text will be the King James bible, then tell them to litigate the Edgerton Boble Case all over again.

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Matri's avatar

I wish the karma would run over their dogma more often.

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Joe King's avatar

𝐼𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑, 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑒, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜 “𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑢𝑡.” 𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑠, 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑒 𝑣𝑒ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑎𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ, 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑝𝑙𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑦.

The real world is what these white evangelical bigots want to avoid. They want to reshape the society around them to conform to their narrow ideology. They hate pluralism, and want to stamp it out. They hate reality, and want to hide away from it.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝑅𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛 𝑖𝑡, 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛'𝑡 𝑔𝑜 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦.

-- Philip K. Dick

Religious bigots can put up all the bubbles and barriers to reality that they want. At some point or other, reality is going to win out, if for no other reason than that REALITY IS, it is inescapable and unavoidable, and if these narrow-minded fucks can't learn to deal with it, their lives will be miserable, indeed.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

As COVID demonstrated, there are indeed people so determined to reject reality that they will deny it even as it kills them.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

It's why they are trying so furiously to cram LGBTQ people back in the closet - until they can be gathered up and shipped off to the camps...

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John L's avatar

Exactly. It’s a short step to the gas chambers.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

TN representative and hero Justin Jones described as a "dying mule kicks the hardest." But unfortunately, the billionaire oligarchs have discovered that cult followers make for the perfect exploitable workforce, willing to have all workers' rights stripped away in exchange for vague promises of an afterlife. I have become very disillusioned the past several months....

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Matri's avatar

They’re trying to become the next Iran, even as they support Israel being the next Nazi Germany.

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Whitney's avatar

It's 6:30 AM here, and quite honestly, too early for this sort of garbage. I'm still trying to get some rest, so pardon me if this post isn't quite up to standards.

The current Christian Nationalist movement is on the very cusp of achieving something Christians have been trying to do for years now: raise their kids in a vacuum where all kids are only ever exposed to Christian ideas. The whole point is to ensure that by the time children become adults, they are completely incapable of doing anything that isn't Christian. One white nation, in goose lockstep, for Jesus Christ, for all of eternity. This is just one more brick for their wall, to mangle Pink Floyd.

In this case, SCOTUS has effectively approved the heckler's veto for public education. The real goal is likely to dismantle public education entirely, but until that happens, this will be a major blow. If you weren't convinced before, this should be more than plenty of proof that this court is a runaway supporter of the Trump regime. Dealing with the damage from both the second Trump presidency and this court is going to take decades. Good luck to all of us.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

A lot like Dumb Idiot Ham's ultimate goal is to indoctrinate all children into his toxic Christian ideology so that when they become adults they will continue to be lockstep into his toxic creationist fantasies until the day they die-- George Orwell's 1984 coming to life right here!

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

“One white nation, in goose lockstep, for Jesus Christ”

And the steps they take to accomplish this defies everything their Jeebus taught.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

One of the reasons I thought 1984 could never happen here, was its lack of religious nationalism. Had it included that, I would have been far more disturbed than I was when I first read the book at age ten. Christian indoctrination and nationalism was something I would have found very relatable.

As it was, the novel was still extremely terrifying.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

Andre Agassi and people like him have start-ups that show investors how to use public money to build charter schools, and then privatize them as "investments." We really have to go after the billionaires and investors because money is ultimately what's behind all of this. None of these Christian Nationalist leaders actually believes in anything beyond their bank account. American Christianity is nothing more, now, than a tax-free real estate scam covering up for human trafficking.

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Boreal's avatar

Parents that object to their child learning about people different from them are known as bigots.

https://ibb.co/nN6Zxh7z

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

Nailed it!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Wow! Most excellent!

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Lynn Veit's avatar

THIS!!!!

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Tinker's avatar

Hey Trumpettes! Every single thing you are doing to undermine our society can and will be turned against you in the future. Christianity is dying as more people wake up* and learn there is a bigger world out there than your narrow view. Note the last paragraph of Hemant's post: You put your little posters up marking your territory and some parents are going to object. You might eventually get your wet dream of forcing children to learn out of the bible but guess what? That's right, those kids WILL rebel. Keep it up Christians. You are giving us more ammunition to fight back when we are back in power.

*That's right, those of us with a brain consider being "woke" a good thing.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Those who rejoice today, will cry tomorrow.

If a secular curriculum offend you snowflake sensibilities, you have religious schools, you have homebrainwashing. Religious schools are too expensive/selective and homeschool is too taxing ? Your loss, let's see what you will do when you will have finished to saw the branch you are sitting upon. Your fantasmed christain's world with both a christian theocracy and enough educated people to maintain a capitalist society can't work. See Afghanistan.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

"But the leopards promised they wouldn't eat 𝘮𝘺 face!"

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phelpsmediation's avatar

Another court ruling that puts anyone’s mythical beliefs, without supporting evidence and often contrary to evidence, above the real people involved, children!!!

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Our most precious resource, treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and buried in shit).

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡, 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑠’ 𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛𝑟𝑦.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that THAT is the point: to promote INTOLERANCE for anyone who isn't white-skinned and preferably CHRISTIAN. This is one of the primary goals of Christian Nationalism, and Trump and SCOTUS are playing right along.

Problem, though: that ruling won't change the fact that BIPOC people and the LGBTQ+ community is still out there, and kids are liable to run onto such people sooner or later, regardless of whatever bubble their parents try to maintain them in. Reality doesn't care much what laws are passed or what decisions some collection of men and women make.

We're STILL here; we're STILL queer, and at some point or other, they STILL need to get used to it.

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RelentlessJo's avatar

It’s a new ‘dark’ times, something most humans don’t want, but zealotry is so damned hard to eradicate. If ‘believing in GOOD over god’ were the norm, what a wonderful 🌍 it would be. A-thiests have always been here and we WILL ALWAYS be here, but getting damn tired of mopping up all the fucking messes supernatural believers have wrought.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Once again, religion (especially Christianity) is doing the only thing it is capable of: destruction.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Religious indoctrination of children (and that's what this is) leaves them totally unprepared to deal with the real world.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

Children have a right to get an education. This overrules their parent's wish to keep them ignorant to the world outside of the bubble they want them to stay in. This six injustices' decision that indoctrination trumps education has proved once again that they are driven by a political agenda. Can these six be impeached for sabotaging their own job?

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Why don’t those that hate public education just home school their MAGAT brats? Too lazy. They want somebody else to do the work of raising their spawn exactly to their MAGAT standards.

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Runfastandwin's avatar

They could be but good luck getting any politician to do that.

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phelpsmediation's avatar

Only if you have a majority in the House and 67 votes in the Senate to convict.

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Jennifer's avatar

An educated populace is necessary for the preservation of a free people. Education has been destroyed with the intent to take away freedom. MAGA is the end game.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

They have been undermining public education for decades, long before Carter's creation of the federal-level Department of Education. At the time, I could not understand why so many politicos were so adamantly against this. Now I see. Republicans were hell bent even then on destroying public schools as an institution, if not by cutting funding, then by actively opposing anything that supported it as a viable institution.

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Isabel Jolie's avatar

Yes, this ruling will be a nightmare for public schools. But, the ruling undermines Christian Nationalists' goal of becoming a Christian Nation, and using public schools to achieve that goal. As noted at the end of the post, the ruling cuts both ways. Atheist parents can object, too. Not to mention, there are thousands of Christian denominations. If they try to incorporate Christian ideology, the chances of one denomination taking issue is great. Not to mention, all the other religions. The point: Any school district looking to integrate Christian ideology and the Bible into its curriculum was also dealt a blow with this ruling.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

That’s a good point I hadn’t thought of, Isabel. It will be interesting to see if protesting atheists get the same level of cooperation as the xtians.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

If atheists DO get an equal hearing, frankly I will be stunned. I think a great deal of government is still getting used to the idea of something other than cisgender, hetero relationships, avec predominantly Christian religious backdrop, Obergefell v Hodges and Engel v. Vitale notwithstanding. The Overton Window has shifted somewhat, but Trump is doing his damnedest to shift it right back.

Sadly, Christianity continues to be seen as THE NORM and atheism as radical and fringe ... which is why we need to continue to fight like hell.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Atheism has been defined, in my opinion, as shameful in our society and a sign of weakness. Once again, the religious zealots have it backwards.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

People who think that way haven't met Aron Ra ... or Seth Andrews or Matt Dillahunty or any one of several thousand loud-and-proud atheists.

Of course, most of them don't WANT to. It would screw with their preconceived ideas.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

I remember meeting Aron over a decade ago when we used to go to Darwin Days and Sagan Days. I think that Christians know their faith is dying out and unpopular. They WILL lose, but by that point, Peter Thiel will have us all microchipped and surveilled by Palantir anyway. Christians will have their FAFO moments, too.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I met him at a function here in northeast Ohio and had lunch with him. Wonderful, neat fellow, DAMNED SMART. Glad he's on our side!

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Lynn Veit's avatar

Hate to appear stupid, but what is Palantir? I can't seem to keep up anymore.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

As someone who had to drop out of my entire life to homeschool my kids due to health problems, let me just say that another of the White Christian Nationalists' goals is to send women back to the kitchen. There are more and more children who can't get school accommodations they need and more and more secular homeschoolers who want their kids learning fact-based history and science, but these, too, are mostly mothers and mostly forced out of the workplace. So Republicans could care less if atheist parents object. They want atheist moms to still have no retirement funds and no way to leave their atheist husbands. If you read Dr Emma Katz's Substack blogs on coercive control, you'll see that the GOP is following the abusers' playbook, and attacking children is the best way to control caring parents.

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

Not satisfied with setting private religious schools and homeschools, aren't they? They started such moments to "shield" their children from exposure to evolution, blacks, gays, etc. And yet, none of this have apparently satisfied them one bit; they want more and more and more of power and control.... that is until all this backfires on them to where they'll end up wishing they left public schools education alone, shut up, and go along with what public education and school teaches to students day after day after day.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

They are having a hard time dealing with REALITY, and that is a genuine mama bear. They want to create THEIR OWN REALITY and live in it as though it was the genuine article.

Problem is that reality is still out there, and it ain't going away.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

So the next time a Christian teacher starts talking about Jesus and even begins proselytizing, atheists parents with an atheist child should be able to opt out right? Right?

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