Christians are very quick to claim they're being persecuted, usually after having been prevented from forcing their religion on others. They would also be the first people to persecute others if given the opportunity. This is what happens when people convince themselves they're operating under divine sanction. No one in their right mind would ever trust their freedoms to the religious right. More than anything, it is NEVER to job of our secular government to backstop anybody's religion.
Well, while I think that your observation is accurate within the USA, do let it be noted that, in certain other nations, the dominant religion there would be the first to persecute others if given the opportunity. This goes especially for many Muslim-dominant nations, but it's worrisome that the world's most populous country, India, is headed that way with respect to Hinduism.
I think that the world's only Jewish-dominated nation has done a reasonably good job of being pro-Jew without lapsing into anti-everything-else.
I am only referring to this country. I'm not in favor of anyone being persecuted under any circumstances. The essence of my point is that when a lot of American Christians claim they're being persecuted, they really aren't. They just expect to be deferred to, and when that doesn't happen, they call it persecution. The expectation of Christian privilege runs very deep in our culture.
Agreed "American Christians" that are United States citizens. MAGAs claim there is only one "American" country, when there are 35 American countries. All are Americans.
A friend of mine was fired for being non-Christian. When I mentioned this to a Christian acquaintance he said that he had been called mean names for being a Christian. To him, somehow these examples were equal.
"I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years. You outlawed them from the universities or any teaching careers, besmirched their reputations, banned or burned their books or their writings of any kind, drove them into exile, humiliated the, seized their properties, arrested them for blasphemy. You dehumanized them with beatings and exquisite torture, gouged out their eyes, slit their tongues, stretched, crushed, or broke their limbs, tore off their breasts if they were women, crushed their scrotums if they were men, imprisoned them, stabbed them, disembowelled them, hanged them, burnt them alive.
And you have nerve enough to complain to me that I laugh at you."
I had to listen to an entire performance of that as part of some series we were watching on Netflix the other night. I have to say that it was excruciating to listen to it. When it came out, an event which I remember well, it was bad enough. But 60 years later ?
1. Though NO ONE (with a brain anyway) expects this Regime to be consistent, isn't this the ULTIMATE DEI? Separating out some for "special treatment" is the official reasoning behind tearing up the Civil Rights Act & all subsequent protections of minorities' status. Substitute the word "Trans" for "Christian" in their directives & you'll understand what I'm getting at.
2. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people -- mainly MAGAts, of course, who DO BELIEVE that "racial discrimination" means unjust treatment of WHITES. These are the "Why do THEY get a whole month?" crowd, when referring to homophobia. Self-awareness & irony are foreign concepts to them.
3. As we all know, they haven't read "The Handmaid's Tale" (not that many of them can read). The better "snitch" comparison -- especially since they're constructing the American Auschwitz in El Salvador -- is to the "capos." Those were the Jews who did their dirty work for additional scraps of food & a delay in their gassing. Those who snitch aren't facing the fact that they'll be coming for THEM eventually & their collaboration won't save them.
In reference to the above, I KNOW Lil Marco is not thinking along these lines, but he's an EXCELLENT example of an "anchor baby" -- the ones MAGAts rail about & want to snatch citizenship from. He (&, ofc, Ted Cruz) would be great to use as "warnings to the others." Maybe I'm wrong & Rubio DOES realize this -- could be why he ALWAYS looks like he's been condemned to death lately.
They know precisely what they are doing and they won't be happy until they have quotas for white people in universities and the workplace. They won't be happy until they have Christianity declared the State religion; which version? THATS when the real fight starts. And they won't be happy until the US has blasphemy laws with capital punishment, because their god is a little crybaby.
“More recently, Trump has threatened to deport millions of Christian immigrants.”
To be fair, they’re not being deported because they are Christian, they are being deported because they are not white Christians. So it’s only good old-fashioned racial bigotry, not nasty religious bigotry.
I’m sure that somewhere in the right wing mind, that makes it better.
Isn’t anti-Christian bias a thought crime? Christianity isn’t some big monolithic block of like-minded people all moving in the same direction. It is over 40,000 mostly mutually-exclusive sects all saying everyone else is going to Hell because all those others don’t squeeze their butts just right for Jeebus. The SBC of Alabama used to publish an accounting every January of all the false Christians - you know - Methodists, Presbyterians, Catholics, etc who died and went to Hell the previous year because they weren’t Southern Baptists. I presume all those who committed anti-Christian bias will be on flights to El Salvador.
Simply telling these pampered cross-swinging crybabies "No" on ANYTHING is tantamount to "persecution."
Grow the fuck up, you whiny, self-righteous hypocrites. Don't like having to share the planet with people who haven't damaged their intellects with your delusions? Tough. Stop sniveling. People in this country are undergoing REAL hardships thanks to those of you who think the serial adulterer in the White House that you idolize is the risen Jesus (when he is, in fact, the Antichrist).
Oh, but Christians ARE persecuted in the United States. They SAY that they're persecuted, so it MUST be true! [big, fat /S here!]
Once again, every accusation is a confession. If ANYONE is persecuting anyone else, it comes from the folks with the execution instrument traditionally worn around their necks. Christians insist on superimposing their belief system on schools, on the courts, or anywhere else they can put their icons or proclaim in print, "IN GOD WE TRUST."
Once again, I have to observe that their actions speak so loudly, well ... I CAN hear what they're saying. I just notice that their behavior doesn't match up.
"If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practiced it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England."
-- Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to the London Packet dated June 3rd, 1772
Christians are very quick to claim they're being persecuted, usually after having been prevented from forcing their religion on others. They would also be the first people to persecute others if given the opportunity. This is what happens when people convince themselves they're operating under divine sanction. No one in their right mind would ever trust their freedoms to the religious right. More than anything, it is NEVER to job of our secular government to backstop anybody's religion.
They already are, dobbs and hobby lobby.
Chick-fil-A, try working at one of their restaurants as an Atheist. Thoughts and prayers?
Or a Pagan.
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Well, while I think that your observation is accurate within the USA, do let it be noted that, in certain other nations, the dominant religion there would be the first to persecute others if given the opportunity. This goes especially for many Muslim-dominant nations, but it's worrisome that the world's most populous country, India, is headed that way with respect to Hinduism.
I think that the world's only Jewish-dominated nation has done a reasonably good job of being pro-Jew without lapsing into anti-everything-else.
I am only referring to this country. I'm not in favor of anyone being persecuted under any circumstances. The essence of my point is that when a lot of American Christians claim they're being persecuted, they really aren't. They just expect to be deferred to, and when that doesn't happen, they call it persecution. The expectation of Christian privilege runs very deep in our culture.
Agreed "American Christians" that are United States citizens. MAGAs claim there is only one "American" country, when there are 35 American countries. All are Americans.
God Bless America?
Thanks
And you are correct as regards the USA.
Something very similar occurs within this country from other historically dominant subsets of the population, notably white people and men.
Privileged classes are traditionally jealous of their privileges, even while refusing to recognize them as such.
👆🎯
I hate this country a little more each day.
It's rapidly becoming something unrecognizable.
Oh? Might I suggest checking out the area east of France some 90 years ago. 😉
There's that.
A friend of mine was fired for being non-Christian. When I mentioned this to a Christian acquaintance he said that he had been called mean names for being a Christian. To him, somehow these examples were equal.
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Oh, Christians...
Want some examples of REAL persecution?
"I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years. You outlawed them from the universities or any teaching careers, besmirched their reputations, banned or burned their books or their writings of any kind, drove them into exile, humiliated the, seized their properties, arrested them for blasphemy. You dehumanized them with beatings and exquisite torture, gouged out their eyes, slit their tongues, stretched, crushed, or broke their limbs, tore off their breasts if they were women, crushed their scrotums if they were men, imprisoned them, stabbed them, disembowelled them, hanged them, burnt them alive.
And you have nerve enough to complain to me that I laugh at you."
-- Dr. Madalyn Murray O'Hair
For speaking the truth, Chrstians demonized her
Of course they demonized her. She threatened their delusion.
Anti-"big government" Christian conservatives hate O'Hair because she successfully got state-mandated religiosity in the public schools banned.
Finding scapegoats is a classic autocratic tactic used to distract the populous from the regime’s failures.
We are indeed goosestepping into Gilead.
I'm hearing that in a high falsetto voice accompanied by ukulele.
I had to listen to an entire performance of that as part of some series we were watching on Netflix the other night. I have to say that it was excruciating to listen to it. When it came out, an event which I remember well, it was bad enough. But 60 years later ?
Not quite tiptoe through the tulips, though.
Goose-step into Gilead, ban the queer folk, and the Brown ones, too, oh Goose-step into Gilead with me.
I have a few notes:
1. Though NO ONE (with a brain anyway) expects this Regime to be consistent, isn't this the ULTIMATE DEI? Separating out some for "special treatment" is the official reasoning behind tearing up the Civil Rights Act & all subsequent protections of minorities' status. Substitute the word "Trans" for "Christian" in their directives & you'll understand what I'm getting at.
2. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people -- mainly MAGAts, of course, who DO BELIEVE that "racial discrimination" means unjust treatment of WHITES. These are the "Why do THEY get a whole month?" crowd, when referring to homophobia. Self-awareness & irony are foreign concepts to them.
3. As we all know, they haven't read "The Handmaid's Tale" (not that many of them can read). The better "snitch" comparison -- especially since they're constructing the American Auschwitz in El Salvador -- is to the "capos." Those were the Jews who did their dirty work for additional scraps of food & a delay in their gassing. Those who snitch aren't facing the fact that they'll be coming for THEM eventually & their collaboration won't save them.
In reference to the above, I KNOW Lil Marco is not thinking along these lines, but he's an EXCELLENT example of an "anchor baby" -- the ones MAGAts rail about & want to snatch citizenship from. He (&, ofc, Ted Cruz) would be great to use as "warnings to the others." Maybe I'm wrong & Rubio DOES realize this -- could be why he ALWAYS looks like he's been condemned to death lately.
They know precisely what they are doing and they won't be happy until they have quotas for white people in universities and the workplace. They won't be happy until they have Christianity declared the State religion; which version? THATS when the real fight starts. And they won't be happy until the US has blasphemy laws with capital punishment, because their god is a little crybaby.
All universities will be renamed, Heritage Foundation #1, #2, #3….
Or named after Trump, Musk or Putin!
Or Confederate officers.
Yes, that is a very high probability!
That is why we in Floriduh call him Foolio.
Stasi quo.
"We must weed out anti-religious bias!" says the dude who proposed banning ALL Muslims from entering the United States.
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I think that in the disgusting stakes he's been overtaken by Trump. Although it is close. And he doesn't have the excuse of dementia.
Cool beard, though. *smiles*
“More recently, Trump has threatened to deport millions of Christian immigrants.”
To be fair, they’re not being deported because they are Christian, they are being deported because they are not white Christians. So it’s only good old-fashioned racial bigotry, not nasty religious bigotry.
I’m sure that somewhere in the right wing mind, that makes it better.
Authoritarians ***NEVER*** worry about employee morale.
As for the line about racism hurting white people, if you listen to MAGA people, that's what they believe.
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Isn’t anti-Christian bias a thought crime? Christianity isn’t some big monolithic block of like-minded people all moving in the same direction. It is over 40,000 mostly mutually-exclusive sects all saying everyone else is going to Hell because all those others don’t squeeze their butts just right for Jeebus. The SBC of Alabama used to publish an accounting every January of all the false Christians - you know - Methodists, Presbyterians, Catholics, etc who died and went to Hell the previous year because they weren’t Southern Baptists. I presume all those who committed anti-Christian bias will be on flights to El Salvador.
Ooo, I like your style, Stephen.
Simply telling these pampered cross-swinging crybabies "No" on ANYTHING is tantamount to "persecution."
Grow the fuck up, you whiny, self-righteous hypocrites. Don't like having to share the planet with people who haven't damaged their intellects with your delusions? Tough. Stop sniveling. People in this country are undergoing REAL hardships thanks to those of you who think the serial adulterer in the White House that you idolize is the risen Jesus (when he is, in fact, the Antichrist).
Cross-swining ?
Oops. Typo. Left off a g in 'swinging.' Fixed.
I thought it was a word I didn't know.
*Pout*
Swining - Acting like a pig. - Larry's Dictionary
Oh, but Christians ARE persecuted in the United States. They SAY that they're persecuted, so it MUST be true! [big, fat /S here!]
Once again, every accusation is a confession. If ANYONE is persecuting anyone else, it comes from the folks with the execution instrument traditionally worn around their necks. Christians insist on superimposing their belief system on schools, on the courts, or anywhere else they can put their icons or proclaim in print, "IN GOD WE TRUST."
Once again, I have to observe that their actions speak so loudly, well ... I CAN hear what they're saying. I just notice that their behavior doesn't match up.
Words of wisdom...
"If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practiced it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England."
-- Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to the London Packet dated June 3rd, 1772
Thanks for the quote!
My pleasure.
https://www.northcentralpa.com/news/pastor-charged-in-bradford-county-child-predator-sting/article_ed3b1130-e4a7-4ed2-81cd-e460d364a3ed.html
shocked I tell you...
🎵The beat goes on
Yeah, the beat goes on...🎵
He is an undercover Drag Queen.