Don't forget the marine chronometer invented by John Harrison in 1844 used to determine longitude. For that matter, the sunstones used by the freaking vikings! This guy peaked when he was cast on Road Rules.
I mean, if the midshipmen in the audience didnโt already realize he was talking out his ass, this line alone would have opened their eyes. I cannot believe these folks who are graduating from a school of sailors donโt know the history of navigation like the back of their hands and will believe Duffyโs ignorant take. Heโs telling experts about his elementary knowledge. Someone should have patted him on the head and said, โthatโs nice, dear. Now go along and play, the grownups are talking.โ
I am may be wrong but I think DM had once a compass as a keychain when I was a child and she teached me how to use it. She also teached me how to make a solar cadran with a twig and some dirt.
Canopus is a prominent Southern circumpolar star. It is the one which told the ancient Egyptians when the Nile was due to flood - when it first became visible in the nighttime winter sky. Good for navigating, too.
Canopus is due South of Sirius and becomes visible in the nighttime winter sky in January. I can see it from my office window at night if the lights are off. 2nd brightest star in the sky - secondary to Sirius.
"The ancient Egyptians noticed that the heliacal rising of the star Sirius, the brightest in the night sky, would occur a short time before the annual flooding of the Nile. The heliacal rising of Sirius therefore kicked off the farming season in ancient Egypt."
I learned it the way I said in High School, in my post, but after trying all day to confirm it, I obviously learned it wrong. I submit to your greater knowledge. Still, neither way matches up to modern growing calendars.
I actually found something. I wonder if you didn't confuse the city of Canopus founded by Greeks in Egypt and named from one of their myths with the star you mentioned earlier.
โThere are two kinds of people in life: those who believe in God and those who think theyโre God. Thereโs something beautiful, humbling, and properly ordered about a man and woman who understand that there is a power greater than themselves.โ
Youโre confusing atheists with Trump. Atheists donโt believe they are gods, they just donโt believe your claims about a god existing, and what you claim your god is. If no gods exist, then we cannot be gods. Logic.
Properly ordered? Son, this is a clear attempt at setting up an authoritarian regime. While that is how the military works, it is often counterproductive to society, and even in the military it gets in the way of effective service.
In regards to the idea that there is power greater than us, duh. But it doesnโt have to be a god and it is clearly not your God. Atheists and folks who arenโt religious donโt think they are the end all, be all. Christians tend to act that way. We know damned well that there are things out of our control, that we canโt change the laws of physics, for instance. But yโall MAGA, evangelical, Christian supremacists, or whatever seem to think you are in charge of reality. The rockets illegally shot at Iran really did obliterate the countryโs nuclear capabilities, Trump is handsome, the 2020 election was stolen, Elon is a genius and absolutely not a Nazi. None of these are true, but you seem to think if Trump says it, itโs real. You canโt make it real. Atheists understand this, you clearly do not.
If there is truly something greater than us, it is probably the laws of physics, and everything that derives from them. That isn't a god; it's the rules of the game.
""well, if I was going to choose a god, I sure wouldn't choose yours. I'd choose ___""
I always go with Athena. The way worship of her (and maybe all gods) is described in The Odyssey is wrapping fat and sinew around thigh bones and burning them, or as I like to call it, grilling.
I expect only Christian Nazionalist rhetoric from anyone connected to the regime. But this? Claiming that everyone who does not believe in the Christian idea of the Abrahamic god thinks they are themselves god? It is a fairly safe bet that each of those midshipmen knows at least one other midshipman that isn't some sort of Christian. For your boss to tell you that the guy next to you is trying to replce god with themselves in next level demonization.
Duffy is trying to plant the idea that anyone who does not believe is anti-American and an active agent of evil. We may not be near the top of the list for being rounded up and sent to camps, but we are on that list.
If Jesus is the answer then it must be a very convoluted question because Christianity is the most factionalized religion on the planet and there is nothing close to consensus on that subject. I feel sorry for those graduates because I doubt they had any choice but to attend. For politicians like Duffy, religion isn't an actual solution it's an excuse for his own incompetence. Any failure can be blamed on a lack of faith, or God moving in mysterious ways. I know what happened to my religious faith when I listened to an idiot priest in Vietnam give us a 'Kill a Commie for Christ' pep talk. I hope Duffy's speech has a similar effect on at least some of the graduates.
A large part of the cost we pay for having Shitler in charge is having these ignorant hacks addressing our young men and women. Disinformation on steroids.
Yeph. One had to wonder how in the heck they want "christianity" to be the rule of law, ask them if Christians argue so much over what their religion is, then why would we want them to be in charge of society?
Trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy. The men who wrote the Constitution knew that and not giving religion a role to play in the governance of their new country was not an accidental omission.
I regret buying what they were selling for too many years. Now the fascists are trying to rewrite our Constitution. The Corrupt Supreme 6 will let them do it.
I will defer to the incomparable Christopher Hitchens for a response to this lightweight:
โReligion is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life, before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can f#$%ing die and leave North Korea!โ
Duffy should be sued for violating the First Amendment's Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses of the First Amendment.
People who believe in your god, people who donโt believe in your god, people who think they are god, people who could care less about your gods or his gods. people who believe in no gods, people who believe in a different version of your particular god, people at sea who dies despite all of their prayers to their gods, people at sea who donโt die despite having no gods.
Did I say five? I lied.
There are only two kinds of people: assholes and non-assholes.
It is apparent this yahoo never served in the military. All those things he listed as how these midshipmen persevered is just the standard state of things (except for the Air Force ๐คช) in the military. He would have known this had he served. Someone would have had to practically die from the conditions before anything could be done about them. And paper plates and plastic forks?!? Thatโs a problem? That is just field problem normal, having that in the dining facility just means kp is that much easier for not having to wash so many dishes.
But seriously, facilities donโt get that bad in just four years, this seems like a chronically underfunded program. You can blame Biden for not addressing it, but you can say the same for Trump, Obama, and Bush as well. But, like I said, these conditions are pretty much average conditions throughout the military. All that defense budget goes toward building fighter jets that sit at storage facilities, and the folks that contract the war machines. Not actually taking care of the servicemembers.
That painting was treated with great respect and appreciation during the move to the most appropriate place on campus, making a fuss about putting it back to a location where it didnโt belong and wasnโt respected seems to be more insulting than anything.
There are two kinds of people: those wo don't believe in gods and those who believe that their god has given them a brain, but refuse to use it to think!
"There are two kinds of people in life: those who believe in God and those who think they're God."
Hey, Duffy...
Might want to have a chat with your boss about that.
You beat me to it, NOGODZ20. Those words stuck out like the syphilis spots on Shitlerโs hands.
Thought for sure someone was going to make the observation while I was typing it. I wouldnโt have seen it until it was too late. :)
That was the first thing I thought, too.
"Before the time of GPS technology, sailors solely relied on key stars"
Astrolabe ? Compass ? Dumbass.
"In the Middle Ages, men of the sea, prayed to the Virgin Mary"
Oh ? That must be why Phoenicians, Chinese, Polynesians and Vikings were so good at crossing seas and oceans.
"it had been restored by a โreputable Pennsylvania art conservation firm"
I know about someone in Spain who could do it for dirt.
Duffy likely wouldn't know an astrolabe or a sextant if it bit him on the ass.
He might have a hard time identifying a ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ด๐ด.
I knew what a compass was and used one when I was a kid. Hell, they even taught us how to make our own homemade compasses. :)
At 9*, my nephew know what it was and he wasn't a boyscout.
* He wanted one, my sister said "no, it's too expensive and fragile".
Never mind trying to figure out which one draws a circle and which one points North!
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/Disappoint-e1595386181110.jpg
Now THAT was good for a laugh! Thank you! ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Whereupon sailors who are so inclined would use an octant! [Sometimes {just SOMETIMES???} these born-again types are SO DAMNED DUMB!]
Is that a Discworld reference ?
Nope. An octant is a variation on the sextant, used in navigation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octant_(instrument)
VIKINGS (seeing the crucifix for the first time): "Their god is dead."
Ugh, Dave is still trying to win that argument
Heโs a lost cause. I donโt think heโs capable of change. His religion wonโt stand for any sort of critical thinking.
Or introspection, reasoning, and not being an ass like his imaginary friend!
Now he's being an Internet scold with John Smith elsewhere on this thread, whining that JS is using naughty language. JS is having none of it.
I unblocked him briefly just to read JS' comments.
Maybe that's the answer for us to finally get rid of him.
dรฉbile grift, if you can read my comments. I don't see why I should be friendly with assholes, and I am not an Atheist.
And since you don't seem to quite grasp English, maybe other languages will work.
Estรกs un perdido, no estร s quiere aquรญ.
Pov' cloche, fous l'camp d'ici.
Fucking looser, hit the road and don't let the door hit you.
DG really knows how to win friends and influence people, doesnโt he?
I would say, no one here turned their back on me when I confessed I am a Pagan.
๐
Don't forget the marine chronometer invented by John Harrison in 1844 used to determine longitude. For that matter, the sunstones used by the freaking vikings! This guy peaked when he was cast on Road Rules.
I tend to think he peaked in elementary school. That seems to be about the level of his knowledge.
That's generous of you.
Kindergarten?
I mean, if the midshipmen in the audience didnโt already realize he was talking out his ass, this line alone would have opened their eyes. I cannot believe these folks who are graduating from a school of sailors donโt know the history of navigation like the back of their hands and will believe Duffyโs ignorant take. Heโs telling experts about his elementary knowledge. Someone should have patted him on the head and said, โthatโs nice, dear. Now go along and play, the grownups are talking.โ
I am may be wrong but I think DM had once a compass as a keychain when I was a child and she teached me how to use it. She also teached me how to make a solar cadran with a twig and some dirt.
Canopus is a prominent Southern circumpolar star. It is the one which told the ancient Egyptians when the Nile was due to flood - when it first became visible in the nighttime winter sky. Good for navigating, too.
Actually, it's Sirius (Sothis/Sopdet) :)
Canopus is due South of Sirius and becomes visible in the nighttime winter sky in January. I can see it from my office window at night if the lights are off. 2nd brightest star in the sky - secondary to Sirius.
The flood is in summer, not winter.
https://m.espacepourlavie.ca/en/monthly-sky/heliacal-rising-sirius
"The ancient Egyptians noticed that the heliacal rising of the star Sirius, the brightest in the night sky, would occur a short time before the annual flooding of the Nile. The heliacal rising of Sirius therefore kicked off the farming season in ancient Egypt."
I learned it the way I said in High School, in my post, but after trying all day to confirm it, I obviously learned it wrong. I submit to your greater knowledge. Still, neither way matches up to modern growing calendars.
I actually found something. I wonder if you didn't confuse the city of Canopus founded by Greeks in Egypt and named from one of their myths with the star you mentioned earlier.
OT, but incredibly cool video series about a ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ฏ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ computer that tracks stars for navigation: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-_93BVApb5_Gufx3xFN9qW__mL4BUsy2
...and also a metric shitload of ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ cool restoration projects, including an Apollo Guidance Computer.
โThere are two kinds of people in life: those who believe in God and those who think theyโre God. Thereโs something beautiful, humbling, and properly ordered about a man and woman who understand that there is a power greater than themselves.โ
Youโre confusing atheists with Trump. Atheists donโt believe they are gods, they just donโt believe your claims about a god existing, and what you claim your god is. If no gods exist, then we cannot be gods. Logic.
Properly ordered? Son, this is a clear attempt at setting up an authoritarian regime. While that is how the military works, it is often counterproductive to society, and even in the military it gets in the way of effective service.
In regards to the idea that there is power greater than us, duh. But it doesnโt have to be a god and it is clearly not your God. Atheists and folks who arenโt religious donโt think they are the end all, be all. Christians tend to act that way. We know damned well that there are things out of our control, that we canโt change the laws of physics, for instance. But yโall MAGA, evangelical, Christian supremacists, or whatever seem to think you are in charge of reality. The rockets illegally shot at Iran really did obliterate the countryโs nuclear capabilities, Trump is handsome, the 2020 election was stolen, Elon is a genius and absolutely not a Nazi. None of these are true, but you seem to think if Trump says it, itโs real. You canโt make it real. Atheists understand this, you clearly do not.
If there is truly something greater than us, it is probably the laws of physics, and everything that derives from them. That isn't a god; it's the rules of the game.
And the smart money is on playing by the rules.
""well, if I was going to choose a god, I sure wouldn't choose yours. I'd choose ___""
I always go with Athena. The way worship of her (and maybe all gods) is described in The Odyssey is wrapping fat and sinew around thigh bones and burning them, or as I like to call it, grilling.
๐โ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ค๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐: ๐กโ๐๐ ๐ ๐คโ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ ๐บ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐ ๐ ๐คโ๐ ๐กโ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐ฆโ๐๐ ๐บ๐๐.
I expect only Christian Nazionalist rhetoric from anyone connected to the regime. But this? Claiming that everyone who does not believe in the Christian idea of the Abrahamic god thinks they are themselves god? It is a fairly safe bet that each of those midshipmen knows at least one other midshipman that isn't some sort of Christian. For your boss to tell you that the guy next to you is trying to replce god with themselves in next level demonization.
Duffy is trying to plant the idea that anyone who does not believe is anti-American and an active agent of evil. We may not be near the top of the list for being rounded up and sent to camps, but we are on that list.
BTW, I certainly do not think I am God.
But his boss does. What does that say about him ?
The Orange Ba'al?
Baโal of blubberโฆ? ๐ค
Orange Blubber!
Jaffa Jabba the Butt.
That it's not yet time to say: "There are two kinds of people in life: those who believe in Trump and those who think theyโre Trump."
I wouldn't trust any of these douchecanoes to be the god of a fucking ๐ข๐ฏ๐ต ๐ค๐ฐ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐บ, let alone anything more important.
"Douche-canoes?" Oh, THAT's a GOODIE!
Don't shower her with too much compliments ๐
As good or better than โdouchenozzle โ!
Oh, it's up there, no doubt! ๐
Or douche canoe?
I favor douche-bros, myself, it describes that college brain dead attitude.
I occasionally go with douche nugget.
Sean likely thinks a douche canoe is a type of watercraft.
If Jesus is the answer then it must be a very convoluted question because Christianity is the most factionalized religion on the planet and there is nothing close to consensus on that subject. I feel sorry for those graduates because I doubt they had any choice but to attend. For politicians like Duffy, religion isn't an actual solution it's an excuse for his own incompetence. Any failure can be blamed on a lack of faith, or God moving in mysterious ways. I know what happened to my religious faith when I listened to an idiot priest in Vietnam give us a 'Kill a Commie for Christ' pep talk. I hope Duffy's speech has a similar effect on at least some of the graduates.
A large part of the cost we pay for having Shitler in charge is having these ignorant hacks addressing our young men and women. Disinformation on steroids.
Yeph. One had to wonder how in the heck they want "christianity" to be the rule of law, ask them if Christians argue so much over what their religion is, then why would we want them to be in charge of society?
Trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy. The men who wrote the Constitution knew that and not giving religion a role to play in the governance of their new country was not an accidental omission.
that history they do not want you to know.
History they gloss over and ignore.
I regret buying what they were selling for too many years. Now the fascists are trying to rewrite our Constitution. The Corrupt Supreme 6 will let them do it.
It's good that you got out. That's not an easy process.
Just like every other part of history.
There's only one thing to do when someone like Duffy goes off on a diatribe like that:
Walk out.
Silence is golden, but duct tape is ๐ด๐ช๐ญ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ.
:)
Except, this was a quasi-military graduation. I am quite sure attendance was mandatory.
A shame, that. One hopes that there might have been more than a little blowback, if not from the cadets then from the faculty.
No blowback from the faculty, their jobs depend on being quiet.
Especially now.
Or in this case: Away all boats.
Aye-aye, Sir!
I will defer to the incomparable Christopher Hitchens for a response to this lightweight:
โReligion is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life, before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate? I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can f#$%ing die and leave North Korea!โ
Duffy should be sued for violating the First Amendment's Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses of the First Amendment.
Duffy should be thrown out of government on his ear and told to get a life!
That applies to every member of the regime.
Ba-da-bing.
Ba-da-boom.
Garabaldi: No boom?
Sinclair: No boom.
Ivanova: No boom today, boom tomorrow, there's always a boom tomorrow.
Big ba-da-boom!
-- Liloo
Marvin: There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom.
And some injustices.
Hitch in his own words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPD1YGghtDk
There are five kinds of people;
People who believe in your god, people who donโt believe in your god, people who think they are god, people who could care less about your gods or his gods. people who believe in no gods, people who believe in a different version of your particular god, people at sea who dies despite all of their prayers to their gods, people at sea who donโt die despite having no gods.
Did I say five? I lied.
There are only two kinds of people: assholes and non-assholes.
Breathe, Ben, BREATHE!! ๐
Not while he may drinking his coffee.
๐๐ฏ
It is apparent this yahoo never served in the military. All those things he listed as how these midshipmen persevered is just the standard state of things (except for the Air Force ๐คช) in the military. He would have known this had he served. Someone would have had to practically die from the conditions before anything could be done about them. And paper plates and plastic forks?!? Thatโs a problem? That is just field problem normal, having that in the dining facility just means kp is that much easier for not having to wash so many dishes.
But seriously, facilities donโt get that bad in just four years, this seems like a chronically underfunded program. You can blame Biden for not addressing it, but you can say the same for Trump, Obama, and Bush as well. But, like I said, these conditions are pretty much average conditions throughout the military. All that defense budget goes toward building fighter jets that sit at storage facilities, and the folks that contract the war machines. Not actually taking care of the servicemembers.
B-b-b-ut they stuffed Jeebus in the basement! That's why the facilities went to hell, dontcha see?
did they make Jeebus put the lotion on???
It puts the lotion on its skin
Or it gets the hose again
Yes it will, Precious, it will get the hose again!
๐ผ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐๐ฆ, ๐๐๐๐ ๐ด๐๐. ๐ฝ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ข๐๐๐, ๐กโ๐ ๐ด๐๐๐๐๐๐ฆโ๐ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐คโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ก ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐๐ ๐ค๐๐ข๐๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ก๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐โ๐๐๐๐, ๐๐๐๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ โ๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ก ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐ฆ ๐๐๐ก๐๐ ๐ท๐ข๐๐๐ฆ ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ . ๐ผ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ท๐ข๐๐๐ฆโ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฆ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐ก.
Duffy's disrespect may not have played a direct role, but given this regime's panchant for firing powerful women who aren't sycophants...
I would t be surprised if he said something to her before or after his address. Something like, โyou can retire or we will retire you.โ
"Fine, Duffy. I can knee you in the groin NOW, or wait until after we're off the dais."
[Only slightly sorry about this. I am sick to death of self-righteous fucks like Duffy.]
That painting was treated with great respect and appreciation during the move to the most appropriate place on campus, making a fuss about putting it back to a location where it didnโt belong and wasnโt respected seems to be more insulting than anything.
It's not about respect. It's about domination, and marking territory.
Yes territorrial pissings are their favorite activity.
"๐ป๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐: ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐โ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ."
There are two kinds of people: those wo don't believe in gods and those who believe that their god has given them a brain, but refuse to use it to think!
I smell a false dichotomy in Duffer's statement there!
Someone needs to ask why, if their God is so powerful, why they are needed to do His handy work.
Same reason God needs a starship.
God needs a starship,
Elon delivers.
And it explodes.
Before it even launches.
makes me thing of Star Trek VI.
Probably because Yahweh likes to PLAY with his toys. Problem is, he has a penchant for breaking them, entirely too often.
Reminiscent of Trelane from Star Trek.
Quite so, though Trelane was alleged to be of the Q Continuum in a Star Trek novel.
Q-Squared. I've read it, though only once, unlike Q-in-law, where Q meets Luxana Troi.
๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ท๐ช๐ญ๐บ implied in the Lower Decks / Strange New Worlds crossover episode.
Ha! I'll have to re-watch that!
I soooo need to order a whole bunch of DVD's and do some serious catching up.
As soon as I have some money.
Beat me to it.
https://c.tenor.com/wbU069eOtu8AAAAd/tenor.gif
Only someone whoโs never been to see would think the North Star is the only one mariners use.
Let's put him on a boat in the southern hemisphere and have him find his way back with Polaris.
Yes, I'd like to see that!
I can ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต imagine this nincompoop trying to use a sextant.
...and now I can't stop giggling.
They have renamed it an abstainant.
It's what? A sex toy?"
If I was god, thereโd be no Duffy. Smite!!
That fugly painting was rightfully put in a basement. JFC, indeed.
The real Jesus would have asked why you're wasting time and money on a painting of him and not spending it on justice.