Video showed an ordinary high school wrestling match and prosecutors found no provable crime—but two Puyallup educators are now accused of waiting too long to report it
It made me think of the Bee Gees ‘Tragedy’ and I went looking for a video clip. The Youtube algorithm offered me ‘Hot Stuff’ as well, which of course leads to ‘The Full Monty’. Which is a cracking film, if you haven’t seen it, really try and get hold of it.
And then it made me think of what those good people of the Alliance Deafening Fu*kwits would make of it …
The so-called religious right is comprised primarily of professional victims who are determined to control everything and everyone around them in order they might feel better about themselves.
That's all we need to know about them. They want all trans people to at a minimum go back into the closet and live as who they are not. The end goal (whether or not they will admit to it) is the death of anyone who is trans, by suicide or by the state. Several reich-wingers have been highlighted on these pages for calling for the execution of anyone who is not straight and cisgender. While most of the far right are not quite that extreme yet, they keep dragging the Overton windows that way.
I expect that the charges against these school officials will eventually be dropped as unfounded, but not until they have spent thousands defending themselves. Just like the R̶W̶N̶J̶ ADF lawsuit will go away after the grifters have milked the rubes for a while. The process is the punishment. They want the school officials to start prohibiting trans athletes so they won't face criminal charges again.
They aren’t forgetting, they are actively trying to make them inhuman so they can keep them from living their lives. To justify their inhumane treatment of them.
"The bigots are always desperate for stories that make trans people appear threatening, predatory, or dangerous."
Bigots want these kinds of stories? We've got stories galore about bigots and religious people actually BEING threatening, predatory and dangerous. The fact that the designated hate group ADF has taken this up is yet another example.
As a percentage of the demographics, trans people are far less predatory than youth pastors. When is the ADF going to start suing churches that hire handsy youth pastors? (I know, it has nothing to do with actual predation and a lot to do with forced conformity.)
If these typical wrestling moves and touching are sexual assault for a transgender wrestler, then wrestling is sexual assault altogether. So let’s just ban the sport. And any other sport that also has touching that could accidentally get inappropriate.
Played in full corsets and floor length dresses, like the Victorians who created it. (Did the Victorians create badminton? I just assumed.) maybe croquet?
The trans panic we are currently experiencing will only make everyone less safe. They attack transgender people, anyone they assume is transgender, anyone who stands up for transgender people, and all the folks who are in positions to protect transgender people. How many stories have we seen of RWNJs accosting women trying to use the facilities because they aren’t performing femininity to their standards? I’ve experienced one such attack on someone else first hand. And hell, recently I ticked some idiot on Facebook off and he slid into my DMs to say I look transgender, and he doesn’t date transgender people. As if I cared.
The threat is directed at transgender people and we have to protect them for their sake. We also have to protect them for our own safety. And if someone can’t bring themselves to do it for the sake of the transgender people, then they should be doing it for their own sake. But these vile bigots can’t see the forest for the trees.
As a former wrestler and wrestling coach, I can say unequivocally that this whole thing is right wing Christian garbage, and nothing else. By it’s very nature, wrestling requires close physical contact, almost unregulated physical close contact. There are rules, of course. Most wrestlers know and respect those rules.
The issue is people who see everything as sexual, no matter how not sexual it might be. Although I wasn’t out in high school 60 years ago, I was well aware of who I was. As I said the last time this thing came up, if you have time to think about sex when you’re wrestling, you have time to lose. And I didn’t like losing.
This is the same crap they use about transgender people using public restrooms. The very presence of a transgender person, like the very presence of a gay person, makes everything sexual, because that’s how they think. This is the filth in their minds, not the reality for most LGBT people.
I wrote this just yesterday: “ Where to begin? First here. If your concern for female prisoners begins and ends with excluding transgender women from women’s prisons, then your concern is not for the female prisoners, it’s for causing harm to transgender women. You know that once-a-year phenomenon of a transgender person walking around a woman’s locker room waving a penis around? Sorry, that sounds like a heterosexual man. But why state the obvious when it’s so much easier to call someone else a threat?
If your concern for women's sports begins and ends with excluding a handful of transgender women from competition, especially based on the whining of a bio woman who placed TIED for fifth, then maybe you’re really not concerned about women’s sports at all, but about excluding transgender people from participation in society. Transgender women who are in transition have been shown to have no biological advantage. Or maybe they do. But what I see is nobody wants to actually have a conversation where the facts are laid out and people can make up their minds. What they want is propaganda. If your concern for women's safety in public facilities begins and ends with excluding transgender people from using public facilities, when there isn’t the slightest bit of evidence that they pose any danger to women and children, then once again, what you care about is excluding transgender people from life. They just need a place to pee, same as anyone else.”
Or a place to wrestle.
But this is where I see the great evil that evangelical Christianity, obsessed with sex and purity and control and money, is now committing on a regular basis. It’s the same goddamn and goddamning story.
As I wrote yesterday, I get close to 500 reports every year — probably a vast underrepresentation of the actual figure — of children who have been molested or assaulted by the men of God. These men of God are arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for these crimes. If you google gay men molesting kids*, Or drag queens molesting kids, or transgender people molesting kids— you might get a few reports every year. Might. And as I wrote yesterday, this is what makes me beyond furious, because I’ve been listening to this garbage for longer than many of these molesting assholes have been alive. LGBT people are not the threat, but the unending fecal bleating is that gay people ARE the threat— not the ministers, not the priests, not the professional Christians, not the churches and entire denominations that cover up the sexual assault, not the hyper conservative reactionaries infesting the Republican Party, not the Epstein class. Here is the reality: if transgender wanted to groom or molest your children, they wouldn’t be going through years of therapy, surgery, social ostracism and political attack from malicious assholes. They would simply join your church and become a youth minister.
Why would rapists bother to pretend to be trans in a culture that treats rapists better than trans women? Or for that matter, a society and the culture that will not believe women when they say they have been assaulted, but will believe the man who has been credibly accused, if not adjudicated to be a rapist or a child molester? And yet, that’s precisely what we have happening. A blogger wrote: “And yet — when an actual woman or child is harmed? When the abuse isn’t hypothetical, but sitting right in front of them (sometimes at the same dinner table)?” The president of the southern Baptist convention claims it’s all a hoax. The Catholic Church has for decades, if not centuries, tried to blame gay men somehow infiltrating the priesthood— not possible by their own theology— for their thousand-year-old sexual abuse crisis.
Pure and simple evil. Or impure and simple evil. But evil
On the point of toilets - I have used the Gents on occasions and I did not come to any harm!
Let me explain: At least once was when I was a student and we were drinking in Curlers in Byres Road. Curlers is a very old pub, which in this context means that the provision of facilities is a bit skew-whiff. The architects clearly did not anticipate the number of female students who'd be frequenting the pub and who might then be needing to use the facilities. On one such occasion the queue for the Ladies was just too ridiculous, so a pal and me just dashed into the Gents. Used the loo, washed our hands and went back to our drinks.
And on one other occasion we were travelling in Northern Spain. Stopped off at a Services, where I found a large sign on the door of the Ladies that they were out of order and that we should use the Gents. Ok, walked into the Gents, used a cubicle, washed my hands and then went back on my way.
Now, according to some of those bathroom ordinances which exist in some places in the USA, I broke the law. And, let me tell you, I am utterly unrepentant: I would do it again!
The Asshats Demonstrating Fuckupery are in the habit of taking ANY situation which may involve ANY hint of sexuality and blow it ridiculously out of proportion. They've done it before and they've done it here.
What they clearly need is a proper SPANKING, preferably from a judge who has had enough of their noise.
If I were a teacher or school official in that area I would start reporting every touch between students as harassment or sexual assault. I don't know if they are cis, LGBTQ or whatever so I have to assume that there is sexual intent and that it is unwanted by one party.... because if I don't report it I might get arrested and lose my job. Twenty or thirty calls to the police every day by every teacher and official should create an interesting situation.
The Alliance Defending Fuckwitery is clearly grasping at straws. While virtually everyone else is treating the wrestling match as a normal event, THEY are predictably losing their shit for no other reason than the participation of a trans athlete. Their faux-outrage is purely a product of their bigotry and little else.
What's next? They gonna go after the athletes for competing in those skimpy singlets? Or complain about the wrestlers using mixed fabrics in their gear?
Bigots today, bigots yesterday. Tomorrow's story? 75% chance it's bigots. I really hope the community rallies around these school officials to show the bigots that they aren't welcome.
Pierce County is slightly liberal/moderate-Democratic overall (56% Dem to 44% Rep), but it functions as a swing county. As a result, Puyallup is considered moderate-to-conservative.
Still, even the right are saying "What's the big deal over this touching? It happens all the time."
One thing I’ve noticed is that of the folks fighting transgender rights, men are the ones making physical threats in the moment at bathrooms and sporting events, but women are the ones doing legal actions and speaking engagements. The men are cosplaying the protector in the complimentarian system, by acting tough and threatening. They recognize that the women, ironically supportive of the systems that denied them the ability to speak in court, are the only people who can credibly make a claim in court of being harmed by transgender people existing. This is an intentional choice by the folks orchestrating the attacks on our freedoms (they are going after more than transgender people and using this hot button issue to gain traction). Their solutions are also quite predatory, genital inspections, genetic testing, or just policing and threatening women’s bathroom doors.
OT- I setup a new Facebook page for a project I’m working on and I chose not to allow access to my contacts to find friends, nor have I followed or friended anyone on the page yet. I’m still in the setup stage and not ready to share yet. Anyway, the things that have just automatically come up on my feed is alarming. It’s all generic right wing nonsense. Just unknown folks making wild claims about LGBTQ people, sexism, super religious, a bunch of AI slop, reminiscing about the fantasy of the olden days. It’s pretty clear that the default on Facebook is bigotry. I’m waiting for Ben Shapiro, Fox News, Matt Walsh to appear, but I have gotten plenty of the White House and related posts. Yeah, Facebook is a fascist company pushing the right wing agenda on everyone. Even my cultivated feed needs weeding from time to time to eliminate the worst of the right’s propaganda.
Weird because, frankly, the plaintiff suing looks much more muscular than the trans wrestler. And you are correct. The right-wing genital freaks want all LGBTQ persons to disappear into closets and never come out. They want to control women's bodies particularly, whether born with female parts or not. Right-wingers who hate trans persons are perverts who obsess over genitals. They should never be allowed around children.
The Alliance Defending Fascism is filled with people who think about what gay folks do with their genitals 24/7.
I doubt I think about my own as much as these pervs thinks about the genitals of total strangers they "hate".
It's called "OBSESSION" for a reason! 😉
Mrs Hawley is involved with that outfit?
They also do a lot of anti-abortion work.
Whatever happened to 'Live & Let Live'??
BLASPHEEEEMY!!!
It made me think of the Bee Gees ‘Tragedy’ and I went looking for a video clip. The Youtube algorithm offered me ‘Hot Stuff’ as well, which of course leads to ‘The Full Monty’. Which is a cracking film, if you haven’t seen it, really try and get hold of it.
And then it made me think of what those good people of the Alliance Deafening Fu*kwits would make of it …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6bjW9OwSQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I248-SyRDnU&list=RDI248-SyRDnU&start_radio=1
The so-called religious right is comprised primarily of professional victims who are determined to control everything and everyone around them in order they might feel better about themselves.
Narcissists
[𝑇]ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑢𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒.
That's all we need to know about them. They want all trans people to at a minimum go back into the closet and live as who they are not. The end goal (whether or not they will admit to it) is the death of anyone who is trans, by suicide or by the state. Several reich-wingers have been highlighted on these pages for calling for the execution of anyone who is not straight and cisgender. While most of the far right are not quite that extreme yet, they keep dragging the Overton windows that way.
I expect that the charges against these school officials will eventually be dropped as unfounded, but not until they have spent thousands defending themselves. Just like the R̶W̶N̶J̶ ADF lawsuit will go away after the grifters have milked the rubes for a while. The process is the punishment. They want the school officials to start prohibiting trans athletes so they won't face criminal charges again.
They're utterly forgetting that the people they don't like are human beings and are thus entitled to respect and the ability to live their lives.
They aren’t forgetting, they are actively trying to make them inhuman so they can keep them from living their lives. To justify their inhumane treatment of them.
Othering.
It’s the first step.
No, they are not. Since they are not comporting to gawd's will they are asking for it.
They don’t care whose lives they destroy. More Riley Gaines bullshit.
I disagree. They get off on destroying people’s lives.
"The bigots are always desperate for stories that make trans people appear threatening, predatory, or dangerous."
Bigots want these kinds of stories? We've got stories galore about bigots and religious people actually BEING threatening, predatory and dangerous. The fact that the designated hate group ADF has taken this up is yet another example.
As a percentage of the demographics, trans people are far less predatory than youth pastors. When is the ADF going to start suing churches that hire handsy youth pastors? (I know, it has nothing to do with actual predation and a lot to do with forced conformity.)
ADF will simply argue that said pastor was practicing the biblical "laying on of hands."
As for the other body parts he used, they will argue "she tempted him".
Barf!!
If these typical wrestling moves and touching are sexual assault for a transgender wrestler, then wrestling is sexual assault altogether. So let’s just ban the sport. And any other sport that also has touching that could accidentally get inappropriate.
Is that what you want?
What sports would be left? Badminton, maybe?
Never been hit in the shuttlecock by a shuttlecock have you.
Curling? Tiddlywinks?
Marbles. Oh wait, the marbles touch one another.
Well, swimming is no contact, but apparently it is not immune to the controversy.
These women are hell bent on making life miserable and dangerous for everyone.
Don't forget what happened with Greg Louganis.
But...but...they use shuttleCOCKS!
Synchronised swimming.
Played in full corsets and floor length dresses, like the Victorians who created it. (Did the Victorians create badminton? I just assumed.) maybe croquet?
Yup, the Vickies invented badminton in India circa 1870.
The trans panic we are currently experiencing will only make everyone less safe. They attack transgender people, anyone they assume is transgender, anyone who stands up for transgender people, and all the folks who are in positions to protect transgender people. How many stories have we seen of RWNJs accosting women trying to use the facilities because they aren’t performing femininity to their standards? I’ve experienced one such attack on someone else first hand. And hell, recently I ticked some idiot on Facebook off and he slid into my DMs to say I look transgender, and he doesn’t date transgender people. As if I cared.
The threat is directed at transgender people and we have to protect them for their sake. We also have to protect them for our own safety. And if someone can’t bring themselves to do it for the sake of the transgender people, then they should be doing it for their own sake. But these vile bigots can’t see the forest for the trees.
Yes. There's a reason that little poem of 'First they came for ....' is a classic!
Don't you just love how these religious haters claim they are "defending" freedom when the exact opposite is true?
splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/alliance-defending-freedom/
They are defending the freedom of white christofascists to oppress others.
I don't trust any group that includes the words "liberty "freedom" or "moms for"
Or "family."
As a former wrestler and wrestling coach, I can say unequivocally that this whole thing is right wing Christian garbage, and nothing else. By it’s very nature, wrestling requires close physical contact, almost unregulated physical close contact. There are rules, of course. Most wrestlers know and respect those rules.
The issue is people who see everything as sexual, no matter how not sexual it might be. Although I wasn’t out in high school 60 years ago, I was well aware of who I was. As I said the last time this thing came up, if you have time to think about sex when you’re wrestling, you have time to lose. And I didn’t like losing.
This is the same crap they use about transgender people using public restrooms. The very presence of a transgender person, like the very presence of a gay person, makes everything sexual, because that’s how they think. This is the filth in their minds, not the reality for most LGBT people.
I wrote this just yesterday: “ Where to begin? First here. If your concern for female prisoners begins and ends with excluding transgender women from women’s prisons, then your concern is not for the female prisoners, it’s for causing harm to transgender women. You know that once-a-year phenomenon of a transgender person walking around a woman’s locker room waving a penis around? Sorry, that sounds like a heterosexual man. But why state the obvious when it’s so much easier to call someone else a threat?
If your concern for women's sports begins and ends with excluding a handful of transgender women from competition, especially based on the whining of a bio woman who placed TIED for fifth, then maybe you’re really not concerned about women’s sports at all, but about excluding transgender people from participation in society. Transgender women who are in transition have been shown to have no biological advantage. Or maybe they do. But what I see is nobody wants to actually have a conversation where the facts are laid out and people can make up their minds. What they want is propaganda. If your concern for women's safety in public facilities begins and ends with excluding transgender people from using public facilities, when there isn’t the slightest bit of evidence that they pose any danger to women and children, then once again, what you care about is excluding transgender people from life. They just need a place to pee, same as anyone else.”
Or a place to wrestle.
But this is where I see the great evil that evangelical Christianity, obsessed with sex and purity and control and money, is now committing on a regular basis. It’s the same goddamn and goddamning story.
As I wrote yesterday, I get close to 500 reports every year — probably a vast underrepresentation of the actual figure — of children who have been molested or assaulted by the men of God. These men of God are arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for these crimes. If you google gay men molesting kids*, Or drag queens molesting kids, or transgender people molesting kids— you might get a few reports every year. Might. And as I wrote yesterday, this is what makes me beyond furious, because I’ve been listening to this garbage for longer than many of these molesting assholes have been alive. LGBT people are not the threat, but the unending fecal bleating is that gay people ARE the threat— not the ministers, not the priests, not the professional Christians, not the churches and entire denominations that cover up the sexual assault, not the hyper conservative reactionaries infesting the Republican Party, not the Epstein class. Here is the reality: if transgender wanted to groom or molest your children, they wouldn’t be going through years of therapy, surgery, social ostracism and political attack from malicious assholes. They would simply join your church and become a youth minister.
Why would rapists bother to pretend to be trans in a culture that treats rapists better than trans women? Or for that matter, a society and the culture that will not believe women when they say they have been assaulted, but will believe the man who has been credibly accused, if not adjudicated to be a rapist or a child molester? And yet, that’s precisely what we have happening. A blogger wrote: “And yet — when an actual woman or child is harmed? When the abuse isn’t hypothetical, but sitting right in front of them (sometimes at the same dinner table)?” The president of the southern Baptist convention claims it’s all a hoax. The Catholic Church has for decades, if not centuries, tried to blame gay men somehow infiltrating the priesthood— not possible by their own theology— for their thousand-year-old sexual abuse crisis.
Pure and simple evil. Or impure and simple evil. But evil
On the point of toilets - I have used the Gents on occasions and I did not come to any harm!
Let me explain: At least once was when I was a student and we were drinking in Curlers in Byres Road. Curlers is a very old pub, which in this context means that the provision of facilities is a bit skew-whiff. The architects clearly did not anticipate the number of female students who'd be frequenting the pub and who might then be needing to use the facilities. On one such occasion the queue for the Ladies was just too ridiculous, so a pal and me just dashed into the Gents. Used the loo, washed our hands and went back to our drinks.
And on one other occasion we were travelling in Northern Spain. Stopped off at a Services, where I found a large sign on the door of the Ladies that they were out of order and that we should use the Gents. Ok, walked into the Gents, used a cubicle, washed my hands and then went back on my way.
Now, according to some of those bathroom ordinances which exist in some places in the USA, I broke the law. And, let me tell you, I am utterly unrepentant: I would do it again!
Talking of Curlers has taken me a bit down memory lane ... here's a pic:
https://glasgowgallery.co.uk/curlers-byers-road-glasgow-by-david-marshall-sold/
Anyone wanting to go, take the Underground and get off at Hillhead, it's just next door.
When you have to go, you have to go.
The Asshats Demonstrating Fuckupery are in the habit of taking ANY situation which may involve ANY hint of sexuality and blow it ridiculously out of proportion. They've done it before and they've done it here.
What they clearly need is a proper SPANKING, preferably from a judge who has had enough of their noise.
No, no spankings. That might get them turned on
Perhaps I should have said, "A VERBAL spanking!" 😉
> "They would simply join your church and become a youth minister."
Excellent observation. 👏👏
If I were a teacher or school official in that area I would start reporting every touch between students as harassment or sexual assault. I don't know if they are cis, LGBTQ or whatever so I have to assume that there is sexual intent and that it is unwanted by one party.... because if I don't report it I might get arrested and lose my job. Twenty or thirty calls to the police every day by every teacher and official should create an interesting situation.
I can see it now: SWAT team on the sidelines ready to rush in and arrest both football teams after the first play of the first game.
Exactly. That lineman might be doing a little grab-ass in the middle of the pileup. Can't be too careful....arrest everyone.
What about the quarterback reaching between the center's ass cheekse every play?
It's ok as long as neither one enjoys it. 😇
I don't think you mean football?
Murkin football!!! 🏈
Besides ... What's with this patting on their butts after darn near every play? 🤔😁
Wouldn’t they be flagged for “Too many men on the field?”
Yep. That little two-year old bashing the other little two-year old with a lego brick, that's definitely assault.
The Alliance Defending Fuckwitery is clearly grasping at straws. While virtually everyone else is treating the wrestling match as a normal event, THEY are predictably losing their shit for no other reason than the participation of a trans athlete. Their faux-outrage is purely a product of their bigotry and little else.
And it and they deserve to be IGNORED.
What's next? They gonna go after the athletes for competing in those skimpy singlets? Or complain about the wrestlers using mixed fabrics in their gear?
Someone hasn't been watching the WWE much lately.
Bigots today, bigots yesterday. Tomorrow's story? 75% chance it's bigots. I really hope the community rallies around these school officials to show the bigots that they aren't welcome.
Pierce County is slightly liberal/moderate-Democratic overall (56% Dem to 44% Rep), but it functions as a swing county. As a result, Puyallup is considered moderate-to-conservative.
Still, even the right are saying "What's the big deal over this touching? It happens all the time."
So, we should expect the shift to cries of persecution by sometime next week?
Interestingly “inappropriate” touching happens all the time in male wrestling. I guess the right wing is ok with that.
Football, baseball, hockey, basketball, rugby and soccer as well.
One thing I’ve noticed is that of the folks fighting transgender rights, men are the ones making physical threats in the moment at bathrooms and sporting events, but women are the ones doing legal actions and speaking engagements. The men are cosplaying the protector in the complimentarian system, by acting tough and threatening. They recognize that the women, ironically supportive of the systems that denied them the ability to speak in court, are the only people who can credibly make a claim in court of being harmed by transgender people existing. This is an intentional choice by the folks orchestrating the attacks on our freedoms (they are going after more than transgender people and using this hot button issue to gain traction). Their solutions are also quite predatory, genital inspections, genetic testing, or just policing and threatening women’s bathroom doors.
OT- I setup a new Facebook page for a project I’m working on and I chose not to allow access to my contacts to find friends, nor have I followed or friended anyone on the page yet. I’m still in the setup stage and not ready to share yet. Anyway, the things that have just automatically come up on my feed is alarming. It’s all generic right wing nonsense. Just unknown folks making wild claims about LGBTQ people, sexism, super religious, a bunch of AI slop, reminiscing about the fantasy of the olden days. It’s pretty clear that the default on Facebook is bigotry. I’m waiting for Ben Shapiro, Fox News, Matt Walsh to appear, but I have gotten plenty of the White House and related posts. Yeah, Facebook is a fascist company pushing the right wing agenda on everyone. Even my cultivated feed needs weeding from time to time to eliminate the worst of the right’s propaganda.
Weird because, frankly, the plaintiff suing looks much more muscular than the trans wrestler. And you are correct. The right-wing genital freaks want all LGBTQ persons to disappear into closets and never come out. They want to control women's bodies particularly, whether born with female parts or not. Right-wingers who hate trans persons are perverts who obsess over genitals. They should never be allowed around children.
and they wonder why they're continously referred to as fascists
If it steps like a goose and heils like a goose and fawns over the Dumb-Ass Fuhrer like a goose...